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"Antipositivist" |
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27 Oct 2003 09:49:31 PM |
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Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
"Bloody day in Baghdad, dozens killed in car bombs
Monday, October 27, 2003 Posted: 10:24 PM EST (0324 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Army general says recent deadly bombings
against coalition and Iraqi police forces in the Iraqi capital are the
first that can be tied with certainty to so-called foreign fighters.
U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Mark Hertling said Monday's attacks don't fit
with those attributed to loyalists of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam
Hussein's regime. He said "intelligence" and the "mode of operations"
indicated the work of foreign fighters but denied to elaborate on the
intelligence.
"We have not seen any attacks that we could directly attribute to
foreign fighters (in the past)," Hertling said. "We have seen those
today."
Four suicide car bombings rocked Baghdad Monday, killing an estimated
30 people, including two American soldiers, and wounding more than 200
others, U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi hospital officials said.
The bombings targeted the headquarters of the International Committee
of the Red Cross in central Baghdad and three Iraqi police stations.
U.S. and coalition officials have attributed nearly all attacks
against them to former Saddam loyalists, not foreign fighters such as
al Qaeda members or militants from surrounding nations.
Yet Samir Sumaidy of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council said
foreign fighters, whom he described as "terrorists," were flocking to
Iraq.
"Iraq is now a target ... is a rallying place for members of al Qaeda
worldwide," he said.
Dozens killed, injured
At least 12 people were killed and more than 20 wounded in the attack
at ICRC headquarters, authorities and hospital officials said. Baghdad
Police Chief Maj. Bassem Alani said that at least 16 people died and
94 were wounded in attacks on the three police stations.
The Combined Joint Task Force in Baghdad said that a 1st Armored
Division soldier was killed and six were wounded Monday at the Al
Bayaa police station, but it was unclear where the other American
death and injuries took place. The coalition said 19 American soldiers
were wounded Monday.
Hertling said the casualty numbers remained fluid while officials
compiled information from medical and security officials.
Red Cross spokeswoman Nada Doumani was shocked.
"Maybe it was an illusion to think people would understand after 23
years that we are unbiased," Doumani said. "I can't understand why
we've been targeted."
The Red Cross has been providing humanitarian assistance in Iraq since
1980. Red Cross officials vowed to continue their work in Iraq despite
the attack.
Plan for fifth attack alleged
Iraqi police said they thwarted an attack on a fourth police station,
and in the process wounded and captured a man with a Syrian passport.
A bomb in the man's car apparently failed to explode, and a U.S.
ordnance-disposal team was called to al Jaleeda to defuse the bomb.
Inside the vehicle, team members found five boxes of TNT and four
rocket-propelled grenades set for launch, according to Iraqi police
Capt. Sami Hussein.
Hertling had high praise for the work of the Iraqi security forces.
"There were very many deaths today," he said. "A great many were Iraqi
policemen. In almost all these bombings today, they prevented innocent
civilians from being killed."
In Washington, President Bush and L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian
administrator in Iraq, condemned the bombings and said the coalition
will not be intimidated.
"There are terrorists in Iraq who are willing to kill anybody in order
to stop our progress," Bush said. "The more success we have on the
ground, the more these killers will react -- and our job is to find
them and bring them to justice."
No connection to hotel strike seen
Hertling said the military did not believe there was a connection
between Monday's bombings and Sunday's attack on a hotel in Baghdad
where Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was staying.
Monday was the first day of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, and at
least one Iraqi official claimed a connection.
"It looks like a coordinated terror campaign to coincide with the
first day of the holy month of Ramadan to create a sense of panic and
a sense of a complete lack of security," Sumaidy said.
"It's a criminal series of actions which we believe is aimed at also
getting the international community to remove its presence here and
stop supporting the transition that's taking place."
Since the Iraq war began in March, 353 U.S. troops have been killed,
including 229 in hostile fire. Bush declared an end to major combat on
May 1, and 213 U.S. troops have died since then, including 113 in
hostile fire.
There is no reliable source for Iraqi civilian or combatant casualty
figures, either during the period of major combat or after May 1. The
Associated Press reported an estimated 3,240 civilian Iraqi deaths
between March 20 and April 20, but the AP reported that the figure was
based on records of only half of Iraq's hospitals and the actual
number was thought to be significantly higher.
Copyright 2003 CNN. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press
contributed to this report.
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29 Oct 2003 04:22:43 AM |
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<Blutak> wrote in message news:1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Do you want America to succeed in Iraq?
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JimB
http://www.geocities.com/UAM01
Union Against Multiculturalism
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| User: "Jim" |
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29 Oct 2003 02:13:03 PM |
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"AntiMulticulture" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:<nBMnb.250$vR2.7422@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
<Blutak> wrote in message news:1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Do you want America to succeed in Iraq?
Well, not at the risk of Bush being reelected.
Jim
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29 Oct 2003 06:35:09 AM |
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Subject: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
From: "AntiMulticulture"
Date: 10/29/2003 5:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <nBMnb.250$vR2.7422@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day...
Do you want America to succeed in Iraq?
Does it really matter. Old George wanted to out do his father so he started a
war to finsih his fathers work.
The sun will come up tommorrow no matter what happens in Iraq. This is the
same ***** that was stated during Vietnam.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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28 Oct 2003 07:12:23 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in news:Kvtnb.48717$Tr4.105027@attbi_s03:
"Antipositivist" <antiposit@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4cc86950.0310271949.19ef4b72@posting.google.com...
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
"Bloody day in Baghdad, dozens killed in car bombs
Monday, October 27, 2003 Posted: 10:24 PM EST (0324 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Army general says recent deadly bombings
against coalition and Iraqi police forces in the Iraqi capital are the
first that can be tied with certainty to so-called foreign fighters.
There's nothing to spin. Muslim terrorists continue to attack and
slaughter the Red Cross workers, civilians in hotels, Americans in
skyscrapers, etc. etc. etc. President Bush, unlike his useless
predecessor, has decided to fight back against those Muslim terrorists
and thugs.
Would you prefer the US to still
be in Vietnam, "fighting back"?
President Bush warned us it would be a new kind of war,
that it would not be an easy war, and that it would be a long war.
A war? This isn't a war, it is an occupation.
President Bush was certainly correct when he told us those things.
But it is a war worth waging.
"Worth waging". Well, for Halliburton and
Becthel and MCI, maybe.
Sure, the Democrats, if they were in
power, would just cut and run, and would be more than willing to
tolerate the continued slaughter of American civilians in New York City,
Washington, DC, in our various embassies around the globe, and on our
ships at sea.
What does occupying Iraq have to do with NYC
and Wash DC? None of those places were attacked
by Iraq.
The Republicans, by way of contrast, are NOT willing to
tolerate those ongoing attacks on our country's freedom.
You dare to speak of what Republican tolerate,
after Bush declaring that he is "not that concerned"
about Bin Laden being at large?
The
Republicans WILL stand up to those terrorists and WILL fight back, and
the Republicans WILL take the battle TO the Muslim Terrorist.
Let's see: The US is attacked by 15 Saudis, led
by a Saudi, who were financed by Saudis, who remain
shielded by the Saudi government. So, when can we
expect Bush to wage war on THOSE "Muslim Terrorists"?
Mitchell Holman
"We're going to get him running and keep
him running and bring him to justice."
-- Bush on Bin Laden, Crawford Texas, Dec. 28, 2001
"I truly am not that concerned about him."
-- Bush on Bin Laden, White House Press Conference,
March 13, 2002
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27 Oct 2003 10:27:43 PM |
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(Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
"Bloody day in Baghdad, dozens killed in car bombs
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Army general says recent deadly bombings
against coalition and Iraqi police forces in the Iraqi capital are the
first that can be tied with certainty to so-called foreign fighters.
"We have not seen any attacks that we could directly attribute to
foreign fighters (in the past)," Hertling said. "We have seen those
today."
Four suicide car bombings rocked Baghdad Monday, killing an estimated
30 people, including two American soldiers, and wounding more than 200
others, U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi hospital officials said.
They know the recent attacks were committed by foreigners,
but not by groups that can be tied to a specific country or
government. Terrorist groups like al Qaeda fit that model, and
have been known to use suicide attacks in the past.
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| User: "Tim" |
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30 Oct 2003 03:21:07 PM |
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(Antipositivist) wrote in message news:<4cc86950.0310280509.4ad60f8a@posting.google.com>...
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
You're as clueless as your (he's not my) president, whom you
{{ snipped }}
You call them clueless when you post drivel like that?
This quagmire, a war Bush *chose* to engage in (rather than, say, a
war of self-defense) has no - I repeat, no - similarity to WWII, and
you dishonor the memory of the brave soldiers who fought for this
country during that war.
If someone has a gun in their hand and points it at you while they
demand your wallet, then have they "used" the gun in the commission of
the crime? During Pearl Harbor, would you wait until the Japanese had
actually starting dropping bombs or would you have started firing when
you first spotted their ships?
If you wait for an attack, then YOUR people will criticize you and
your enemies will think you feckless. If you know they are a threat
and you attack them first, then your enemies will complain.
A fool waits for his enemy to cause injury.
Quagmire? Man are YOU spoiled. How long did the average war (lets go
back over the last couple of millennia) last? This war hasn't been
going on for even ONE year! You won't like to admit it, but the
coalition controls the entire country (you will always have
opportunities for isolated incidents, but you realize that there can
be no way an entire batallion of the coalition could be taken out in
any fight)... The regime has changed. The coalition has not lost
tens of thousands of troops. Territory isn't being gained and lost.
The clue is "there is no front-line"...
Was Japan a quagmire after the surrender was signed? How many troops
were lost there, and how long were they stationed over there?
Iraq never represented a serious threat to the U.S., but now, thanks
to the idiotic George Bush, it does.
Incidentally, where are those WMDs, the initial pretext for engaging
in this idiotic war?
Glad you mentioned that. You said "never", so I'm clearly not
twisting your words. The United Nations reported, and Iraq agreed
back in 1991 that Iraq had a fully functional weaponized biological
weapons programme, including a great deal of anthrax AND Iraq had
several long range weapons AND Iraq had a nuclear weapons programme.
This was documented BY the UN and Iraq signed several "disclosure"
documents declaring precisely that.
The US backed Kuwait, which Iraq had THEN attacked. The US backed
Israel, which Iraq THEN attacked. The US backed Saudi Arabia, which
Iraq then attacked.
Did Iraq attack the USS Stark or not?
Iraq, although technically secular was a muslim state harboring strong
Muslim factions that held the US as anathema. That could be because
they got most of their support from China, Russia and Korea (military
support, trade and economic support too). Hussein leveraged and
focused these factional sentiments when they were not at odds with his
goals.
He was a threat before 1990, and will remain a threat until he and his
ilk are dead.
You asked about the WMDs.. interesting, Iraq could provide NO
documentation that they were ever destroyed. Not in 10 years.
Hussein did, however, tell his countrymen to LIE to inspectors.
Are we to believe that he "volunteered" to maintain sanctions for a
decade JUST so he could make his people hate the UN/US more? Why
didn't he just show the UN where the destroyed weapons and their
records were?
If you are of a conspiratorial bent, then you might say "his ways
could be inscrutable to ..."... but if that is the case, and he had NO
WMDs, then you realize that he made his people suffer for over 10
years for no good reason. If he does that to his own people and
threatens and attacks so many other countries, then who is he NOT a
threat to?
Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether it is foreigners, or native
Iraqis, or some combination of the two, responsible for the violence.
None of this absolves Bush of his idiotic handling of U.S. foreign
policy.
Of course it matters. When the US attacks involved civilians, I'll
bet you complained. When the US attacks involved aid-agencies, I'll
bet you complained. When the savages on the other side INTENTIONALLY
use an ambulance to suicide bomb a Red Cross facility, you say "it
doesn't matter". It's clear that the world is luckily not depending
on you as the arbiter of what matters.
Clearly the attacks, during Ramadan, and against civilians and
altruistic organizations demonstrate a threat to the Iraqi populace
and the world at large. You will dismiss this, but if America pulls
out because terrorist acts make us tremble or make us uncomfortable,
then do you SERIOUSLY think the terrorists that are responsible will
stop there?
These guys HATE everyone. Are you French, then they hate you for not
being Muslim, for not rolling-over when they tried to take your land,
for "stealing" their land (well, which they stole from you a while
back). If you are Spanish, then they have your number. If you are
Muslim, then you are likely considered spineless-monkeys and unworthy
of compassion.
All the world CAN know about them is that they represent a threat to
certain defenseless people. I realize that Antipos would have the
people fare for themselves, as Hussein was clearly so nurturing...
Just ask the residents of Teheran who were BOMBED by Hussein... Iraq
has attacked several other countries and in each and every situation,
he has intentionally targetted their civilians. But those aren't
Anti-Pos's people so "it doesn't matter"...
George Bush did make mistakes. He should have just had bin Laden and
Hussein (and the others on the lists) taken out covertly. He should
NOT have given time limits, or at least given more sensible ones, like
"you have 12 hours"... Not days, or weeks or MONTHS! That's the
European way, which I prefer.
It was clear that the UN had made absolutely NO documented progress :
they requested documentation and evidence of the WMD destruction, but
wanted more months of that same promising lack of progress...
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28 Oct 2003 07:14:34 PM |
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(Jim) wrote in
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Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
We never would have gotten that far. After Pearl Harbor, we would
have surrendered to Japan.
Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Mitchell Holman
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed
one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George Bush, in a history lesson that omits the unpleasant
reality of Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, and the whole Second
World War. 2/18/02.
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| User: "Jim" |
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29 Oct 2003 02:10:52 PM |
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9422C46CB3E6Cta2eenew@63.240.76.16>...
somd_jim2002@yahoo.com (Jim) wrote in
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Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
We never would have gotten that far. After Pearl Harbor, we would
have surrendered to Japan.
Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Considering his dad was the youngest pilot in the Navy when he
received his wings, I would think he knows.
<snip quote that is equivalent to Davis saying people from all the
planets live in California>
Jim
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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29 Oct 2003 04:38:19 PM |
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(Jim) wrote in
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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(Jim) wrote in
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Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
We never would have gotten that far. After Pearl Harbor, we would
have surrendered to Japan.
Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Considering his dad was the youngest pilot in the Navy when he
received his wings, I would think he knows.
Since you snipped out the Bush quote that
proves you wrong, all me to post it again.
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed
one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George Bush, 2/18/02.
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| User: "Jim" |
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30 Oct 2003 10:01:58 AM |
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9423A9EC6D7B7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16>...
Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Considering his dad was the youngest pilot in the Navy when he
received his wings, I would think he knows.
Since you snipped out the Bush quote that
proves you wrong, all me to post it again.
Proves me wrong? Oh, you soooooo funny. You libbies get
all-a-titters whenever Bush mispeaks - you even have websites devoted
to these quotes. Now, when he says "century and a half" instead of
"half of a century" it means something entirely different?
Tell me, Mitch-ma-boy, do you honestly believe that California is
populated by people from all the planets?
Jim
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30 Oct 2003 10:41:14 AM |
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(Jim) wrote in
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Considering his dad was the youngest pilot in the Navy when he
received his wings, I would think he knows.
Since you snipped out the Bush quote that
proves you wrong, all me to post it again.
Proves me wrong? Oh, you soooooo funny.
Opps, there you go. You snipped it AGAIN.
It must really get under your skin for
you to be so afraid of it.
You libbies get
all-a-titters whenever Bush mispeaks - you even have websites devoted
to these quotes. Now, when he says "century and a half" instead of
"half of a century" it means something entirely different?
Hey, he is YOUR hero. YOU can defend him.
Care to see another?
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and
I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not
our priority."
George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
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30 Oct 2003 03:54:04 PM |
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94246D64C7012ta2eenew@216.148.227.77>...
somd_jim2002@yahoo.com (Jim) wrote in
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Mitchell Holman <ta2eeneNoemail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns9423A9EC6D7B7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16>...
Like Bush has even heard of Pearl Harbor........
Considering his dad was the youngest pilot in the Navy when he
received his wings, I would think he knows.
Since you snipped out the Bush quote that
proves you wrong, all me to post it again.
Proves me wrong? Oh, you soooooo funny.
Opps, there you go. You snipped it AGAIN.
Sure, I snipped it, but I addressed it, unlike what you do, leave it
in wasting bandwidth, but without addressing it.
Call me the Anti-Mitch.
Jim
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28 Oct 2003 07:02:34 PM |
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Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<9dqrpvou5i2fj0d4dabncu06a4it7lpfcg@4ax.com>...
antiposit@earthlink.net (Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
Michael
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28 Oct 2003 07:06:44 PM |
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Subject: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
From: (Michael Ejercito)
Date: 10/28/2003 8:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <6930a3c6.0310281702.45e868ee@posting.google.com>
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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antiposit@earthlink.net (Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
What does Hitler have to do with the present middle east. I wish you guys
after the greater Israel would stop it. I have a son draft age and I sure
would not like to see him killed so you can get the oil reserves.
Michael
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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29 Oct 2003 07:42:43 PM |
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In article <6930a3c6.0310281702.45e868ee@posting.google.com>, Michael
Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
news:<9dqrpvou5i2fj0d4dabncu06a4it7lpfcg@4ax.com>...
antiposit@earthlink.net (Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
Michael
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
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29 Oct 2003 07:47:32 PM |
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Subject: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
From: blindjester
Date: 10/29/2003 8:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <291020031842434512%>
In article <6930a3c6.0310281702.45e868ee@posting.google.com>, Michael
Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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antiposit@earthlink.net (Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
Michael
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
The are Americans that are dying that is ok with most of the rabid right who
started this war. The dual citizen crowd has not loyality to the United
States.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
30 Oct 2003 10:18:26 AM |
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blindjester <rrogers@cox.net> wrote in message news:<291020031842434512%rrogers@cox.net>...
In article <6930a3c6.0310281702.45e868ee@posting.google.com>, Michael
Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
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antiposit@earthlink.net (Antipositivist) wrote:
Subject: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat
How can you guys continue to defend history's most clueless White
House inhabitant? Let's see you all spin this!
What's to spin? The foreign fighters are probably al Qaeda
terrorists.
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
Michael
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
Since when was appeasement of brutal dictators a good idea?
Michael
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| User: "Foxtrot" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
30 Oct 2003 12:52:34 AM |
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blindjester <rrogers@cox.net> wrote:
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
We appreciate what they're doing. And we want them to
know that we SUPPORT them, and we believe they're doing
the right thing. IMO you Bush bashers just see them as
political props.
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| User: "Antipositivist" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
30 Oct 2003 08:39:22 AM |
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Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<oec1qvo0g830fqf3s9ktlumcakl2mvi5pd@4ax.com>...
blindjester <rrogers@cox.net> wrote:
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
We appreciate what they're doing. And we want them to
know that we SUPPORT them, and we believe they're doing
the right thing. IMO you Bush bashers just see them as
political props.
Since you are so gung ho for this war, what are you doing here. Why
aren't you over there, volunteering to help out?
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30 Oct 2003 10:00:48 AM |
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On 30 Oct 2003 06:39:22 -0800,
(Antipositivist) wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<oec1qvo0g830fqf3s9ktlumcakl2mvi5pd@4ax.com>...
blindjester <rrogers@cox.net> wrote:
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
We appreciate what they're doing. And we want them to
know that we SUPPORT them, and we believe they're doing
the right thing. IMO you Bush bashers just see them as
political props.
Since you are so gung ho for this war, what are you doing here. Why
aren't you over there, volunteering to help out?
That is one of the sillier things Bush-haters say, and they never get
it right. Even in WWI and WWII there were those on the "Home Front"
who contributed to the war efforts; not everyone needs to go the
battle.
Have a nice day!!
Cheerio,
Dennis, Proud America-Loving NEOCON Finest Kind Irish/English front to
help achieve the victory.
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| User: "blindjester" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
30 Oct 2003 07:46:05 AM |
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In article <oec1qvo0g830fqf3s9ktlumcakl2mvi5pd@4ax.com>, Foxtrot
<foxtrot@null.com> wrote:
blindjester <rrogers@cox.net> wrote:
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote
What's your point? That we had a rough day, so we should
surrender and flee Iraq? I shudder when I imagine where we'd
be if we had pansies like you in charge of US forces during
D-Day.
Pansies like him would have demanded we send Hitler some Jews as a
sign of good faith.
You guys talk real tough while young Americans are dying ten thousand
miles from home.
We appreciate what they're doing. And we want them to
know that we SUPPORT them, and we believe they're doing
the right thing. IMO you Bush bashers just see them as
political props.
My father and three of my brothers served in the armed forces, in WWII
an d Vietnam. I appreciate what they did. I appreciate the sacrifices
current soldiers are making. That's the point. What do their deaths
buy us? Not safety. Not liberty.
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| User: "Warren Stupidity" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
28 Oct 2003 06:59:09 PM |
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On 28 Oct 2003 08:21:28 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
<Blutak> wrote in message news:<1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Really? What type of guns are troops carrying on the streets in the
majority of Iraq, you know, not in the triangle?
The majority of Iraq is sand.
==
Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a
new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century,
-- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire.
http://www.newamericancentury.org
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| User: "Jim" |
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29 Oct 2003 02:12:04 PM |
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Warren Stupidity <weaselMark@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<r44upvo3vcho2e6r9qhdlsnqdegaqevae8@4ax.com>...
On 28 Oct 2003 08:21:28 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
<Blutak> wrote in message news:<1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Really? What type of guns are troops carrying on the streets in the
majority of Iraq, you know, not in the triangle?
The majority of Iraq is sand.
What about all those billions of acres of farmland? Or how about the
cities in southers and norther Iraq?
Jim
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| User: "Warren Stupidity" |
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29 Oct 2003 08:37:51 PM |
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On 29 Oct 2003 12:12:04 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
Warren Stupidity <weaselMark@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<r44upvo3vcho2e6r9qhdlsnqdegaqevae8@4ax.com>...
On 28 Oct 2003 08:21:28 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
<Blutak> wrote in message news:<1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Really? What type of guns are troops carrying on the streets in the
majority of Iraq, you know, not in the triangle?
The majority of Iraq is sand.
What about all those billions of acres of farmland? Or how about the
cities in southers and norther Iraq?
Lets see if you can figure out what 'majority' might mean. From your
response, I suspect not.
The region between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, where most of the
population lives, is fertile farmland. It is aptly named 'the fertile
crescent'. It is also generally considered the cradle of civilization.
You have heard of this agricultural product called 'wheat' right? Ever
wonder where historically it came from? Take a guess.
But lets cut the crap, ok? Here are the facts: 26% of Iraq is
potentially arable, with about 12% in agricultural production. (The
tradition in Iraq apparently is for farmers to keep half their land
out of production each year.)
http://www.mercycorps.org/pdfs/1063134032.pdf
http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study/iraq/iraq56.html
About that 'majority sand' claim of mine, perhaps you will accept the
US Naval Institute as a reputable cite?
http://www.usni.org/Proceedings/Articles03/proCollinsIraq.htm
==
Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a
new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century,
-- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire.
http://www.newamericancentury.org
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: Hey rightwingers! Time to concede defeat |
30 Oct 2003 09:56:22 AM |
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Warren Stupidity <weaselMark@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<hit0qvgo52uekoeh0fchkpgrc0m630hi5k@4ax.com>...
On 29 Oct 2003 12:12:04 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
Warren Stupidity <weaselMark@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<r44upvo3vcho2e6r9qhdlsnqdegaqevae8@4ax.com>...
On 28 Oct 2003 08:21:28 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
<Blutak> wrote in message news:<1067340501.37534.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>...
the *spin* from the white house that the forces are seen as liberators is
getting harder to maintain by the day......
Really? What type of guns are troops carrying on the streets in the
majority of Iraq, you know, not in the triangle?
The majority of Iraq is sand.
What about all those billions of acres of farmland? Or how about the
cities in southers and norther Iraq?
Lets see if you can...
How about we just snip everything that doesn't address this:
Really? What type of guns are troops carrying on the streets in the
majority of Iraq, you know, not in the triangle?
<snip>
Jim
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