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User: "Black Elk"
Date: 29 Nov 2005 04:56:12 PM
Object: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red.
Highest Wages in East, Lowest in South
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Americans have been migrating south and west for decades, but
it appears they've been leaving some high-paying jobs behind. While there
are many pockets of wealth in the South and West, the states with the
highest wage earners line the East Coast, according to Census data released
Tuesday.
Connecticut, with a median household income of $56,409, supplanted New
Jersey as the country's highest wage state in 2003, the most recent year
available. New Jersey slid to second, at $56,356, followed by Maryland,
Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
Mississippi had the lowest median income, at $32,397. West Virginia,
Arkansas, Louisiana and Montana rounded out the bottom five.
The median household income for the nation was $43,318.
Census figures show that Southern and Western states have been growing in
population much faster than those in the Northeast and Midwest.
But despite those population shifts, the list of wealthiest - and poorest -
states in 2003 looks a lot like the list from a decade before.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/income_states;_ylt=ApIxKW2.zVxQRqwNyxosksqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
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The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/26/census.poverty.ap/
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Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 29 Nov 2005 09:11:18 PM
Black Elk wrote:

Highest Wages in East, Lowest in South

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Americans have been migrating south and west for decades, but
it appears they've been leaving some high-paying jobs behind. While there
are many pockets of wealth in the South and West, the states with the
highest wage earners line the East Coast, according to Census data released
Tuesday.

But, Washington is a moron city. It makes no difference to the
average person
if you make $200,000 a year, but you have to pay $400,000 for a 5
room
horse shack, with $200,000 for of ADT Security Equipment and $50,000
worth of
Electronic DeskTop Publlishing Equipment, that has traffic that
moves at
20 mph twenty-four hours a day, in a moron Zoo Park that is
populated by New York drug pushers that even Philadelphia shoots.
.

User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 30 Nov 2005 09:03:11 AM
Black Elk wrote:

Highest Wages in East, Lowest in South

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Americans have been migrating south and west for decades, but
it appears they've been leaving some high-paying jobs behind. While there
are many pockets of wealth in the South and West, the states with the
highest wage earners line the East Coast, according to Census data released
Tuesday.

Connecticut, with a median household income of $56,409, supplanted New
Jersey as the country's highest wage state in 2003, the most recent year
available. New Jersey slid to second, at $56,356, followed by Maryland,
Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Mississippi had the lowest median income, at $32,397. West Virginia,
Arkansas, Louisiana and Montana rounded out the bottom five...

Have these poor states not been traditionally Democrat since the Civil War?
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User: "Bob"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 30 Nov 2005 09:29:22 AM
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:438DBF31.4090405@mac.com...



Black Elk wrote:

Highest Wages in East, Lowest in South

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Americans have been migrating south and west for decades, but it
appears they've been leaving some high-paying jobs behind. While there are
many pockets of wealth in the South and West, the states with the highest wage
earners line the East Coast, according to Census data released Tuesday.

Connecticut, with a median household income of $56,409, supplanted New Jersey
as the country's highest wage state in 2003, the most recent year available.
New Jersey slid to second, at $56,356, followed by Maryland, Massachusetts and
New Hampshire.

Mississippi had the lowest median income, at $32,397. West Virginia, Arkansas,
Louisiana and Montana rounded out the bottom five...


Have these poor states not been traditionally Democrat since the Civil War?

Not lately. However, the last paragraph in that
report is rather important.
"The poverty thresholds, it should be noted,
do not account for cost-of-living differences
in different states. So a family of four making
less than $18,660 a year would be considered
impoverished whether they lived in El Paso,
Texas or in New York, New York."
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User: ""

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 04 Dec 2005 07:27:40 PM
Werner Hetzner wrote:

Black Elk wrote:

Highest Wages in East, Lowest in South

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Americans have been migrating south and west for decades, but
it appears they've been leaving some high-paying jobs behind. While there
are many pockets of wealth in the South and West, the states with the
highest wage earners line the East Coast, according to Census data released
Tuesday.

Connecticut, with a median household income of $56,409, supplanted New
Jersey as the country's highest wage state in 2003, the most recent year
available. New Jersey slid to second, at $56,356, followed by Maryland,
Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Mississippi had the lowest median income, at $32,397. West Virginia,
Arkansas, Louisiana and Montana rounded out the bottom five...


Have these poor states not been traditionally Democrat since the Civil War?

No. The Civil War ended what had previously been called
Party Poltics in The moron US. After than AT&T, The Oil Companies,
and US Steel bought the entire moron country and have
owned it ever since.
.

User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 30 Nov 2005 03:51:53 PM
Werner Hetzner wrote:

Mississippi had the lowest median income, at $32,397. West Virginia,
Arkansas, Louisiana and Montana rounded out the bottom five...


Have these poor states not been traditionally Democrat since the Civil War?

NOt all. During the civil war, the northern Ozark counties *seceded* from
the Little Rock Rebels, and there were two governors for a while. The
rich delta land was owned by aristocracy and farmed by slaves; Ozark
hills homesteaded by Scots-Irish and farmed by sons as slaves.
The Rockefeller family has elected governors and politicians here for
decades. All thru FDR's time, Hot Springs was run by the Mafia, acting
in many ways like Las Vegas now. Arkansas has had a generally democrat
legislature, but the 3rd district has sent GOP dudes like Hammersmidt
to the US congress forever. The current, and many former governors is
GOP.
But- it was former Gov Clinton, who broke the back of the teachers union
to put in *teacher competency* testing, and that ended the nepotism of
local school boards hiring kin as teachers. Which resulted in, while the
state spends far less than the national average on education, the test
scores are *above*! The Ozark counties are dramatically above national
averages, and were they a state, they'd top the US academically. One of
the clues is in the fact that the convoluted landscape prevents transnat
agribusiness from moving in. There's no significant air or water
pollution either. There was a flap over Tyson Chicken, but that run-off
went west into Oklahoma.
The region, notorious for rednecks, is 99.9% white. But look at the
school numbers for these small town hillbilly schools: 0% violence year
after year; dropout rates in the single digits, college remediation
rates in the teens, with high school graduation rates about 90%. And
they do this with the *lowest* teacher salaries you'll find anywhere.
But walk into one of these small town schools, and you'll see why the
teachers like working there. the kids are well behaved. quiet. They use
a large wooden paddle on the bullies, so student to student abuse rates
are zero. Sometimes you havta pound brains in from the ***** end. We are,
after all, dealing with the kids of hillbillies. But when my son, class
of 1996, graduated from Leslie, (250 kids k-12) 25% of the class scored
above the 90th percentile on the ACT. A pretty typical year.
Income is one measure of success. But the school nurse is a friend. she
tells me that out of 1000 kids in the district, there are only 1 or 2
that are autistic. In areas typically polluted with what passes for
modern civilization, the rate for white kids is 4% to 8%; You'd expect
at least 40 autistic kids in the district. There's a similar absence of
kids with ADD, ADHD, or on Ritalin. What is that worth? 100,000$?
Another clue: Robert Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes that in the Green
Beret, *HALF* of the nation's most elite corps grew up on family farms;
pretty much like what is going on in the Ozarks. that's *ONE PER CENT*
of the US population producing 50% of the best soldiers this nation has.
You'd think it'd be a national security issue to promote family farms
rather than agribusiness, which does not raise healthy kids.
.
User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 02 Dec 2005 03:23:57 PM
Day Brown wrote:

...


NOt all. During the civil war, the northern Ozark counties *seceded* from
the Little Rock Rebels, and there were two governors for a while. The
rich delta land was owned by aristocracy and farmed by slaves; Ozark
hills homesteaded by Scots-Irish and farmed by sons as slaves.

The Rockefeller family has elected governors and politicians here for
decades. All thru FDR's time, Hot Springs was run by the Mafia, acting
in many ways like Las Vegas now. Arkansas has had a generally democrat
legislature, but the 3rd district has sent GOP dudes like Hammersmidt
to the US congress forever. The current, and many former governors is
GOP.

But- it was former Gov Clinton, who broke the back of the teachers union
to put in *teacher competency* testing, and that ended the nepotism of
local school boards hiring kin as teachers. Which resulted in, while the
state spends far less than the national average on education, the test
scores are *above*! The Ozark counties are dramatically above national
averages, and were they a state, they'd top the US academically. One of
the clues is in the fact that the convoluted landscape prevents transnat
agribusiness from moving in. There's no significant air or water
pollution either. There was a flap over Tyson Chicken, but that run-off
went west into Oklahoma.

The region, notorious for rednecks, is 99.9% white. But look at the
school numbers for these small town hillbilly schools: 0% violence year
after year; dropout rates in the single digits, college remediation
rates in the teens, with high school graduation rates about 90%. And
they do this with the *lowest* teacher salaries you'll find anywhere.

But walk into one of these small town schools, and you'll see why the
teachers like working there. the kids are well behaved. quiet. They use
a large wooden paddle on the bullies, so student to student abuse rates
are zero. Sometimes you havta pound brains in from the ***** end. We are,
after all, dealing with the kids of hillbillies. But when my son, class
of 1996, graduated from Leslie, (250 kids k-12) 25% of the class scored
above the 90th percentile on the ACT. A pretty typical year.

Income is one measure of success. But the school nurse is a friend. she
tells me that out of 1000 kids in the district, there are only 1 or 2
that are autistic. In areas typically polluted with what passes for
modern civilization, the rate for white kids is 4% to 8%; You'd expect
at least 40 autistic kids in the district. There's a similar absence of
kids with ADD, ADHD, or on Ritalin. What is that worth? 100,000$?

Another clue: Robert Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes that in the Green
Beret, *HALF* of the nation's most elite corps grew up on family farms;
pretty much like what is going on in the Ozarks. that's *ONE PER CENT*
of the US population producing 50% of the best soldiers this nation has.
You'd think it'd be a national security issue to promote family farms
rather than agribusiness, which does not raise healthy kids.

Nice to note positives from the Ozarks of all places. Maybe some day
I'll visit.
By the way, last time I checked with my local school district 20% were
classified disabled. I'ts all about tapping that treasury money. I live
near the capital of NY.
.
User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 02 Dec 2005 10:51:49 AM
Werner Hetzner wrote:

Nice to note positives from the Ozarks of all places. Maybe some day
I'll visit.

By the way, last time I checked with my local school district 20% were
classified disabled. I'ts all about tapping that treasury money. I live
near the capital of NY.

I went to RIT at Rochester. Nice country, but too cold for my blood. Its
tragic how far we've fallen. I cant quantify the numbers, but I wouldnt
choose to raise *my* kids in a region where there are so many health
problems with kids. In Guns, Germs, & Steel, Jared Diamond notes how the
whites who moved to Central Africa died like flies because they didnt
have the correct immune response.
And it aint only microbes. One of my friends was a Gulf War I vet; week
after they shot him up with all the drugs to avoid disease problems in
that region, he was in the psych ward. Formerly did maintenance on the
Bradley and other heavy equipment, but now cant keep his mind focused
long enough to scope out a Nissan pickup.
Apparently other high tech personnel have picked up on environmental
hazards to their kids. NW Arkansas counties, near the univ of AR at
Fayetteville, have been having a net *immigration* from California. And
as intelligent people get drawn in, their kids raise the standard in the
schools, which draws in more parents worried about the quality of
education and the environment to raise their kids.
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User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 03 Dec 2005 11:52:08 AM
Day Brown wrote:

Werner Hetzner wrote:

Nice to note positives from the Ozarks of all places. Maybe some day
I'll visit.

By the way, last time I checked with my local school district 20%
were classified disabled. I'ts all about tapping that treasury money.
I live near the capital of NY.


I went to RIT at Rochester.

Last time I visited Rochester there didn't seem to be much life left in
the city. I've seen statistics that their public schools are among the
worst in the state and teachers' pay is near the top.
.
User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 03 Dec 2005 12:13:15 AM
Werner Hetzner wrote:

Last time I visited Rochester there didn't seem to be much life left in
the city. I've seen statistics that their public schools are among the
worst in the state and teachers' pay is near the top.

My son was in school in Greece, a well heeled suburb. I took him out of
a brand new school that was grossly overdone with kitch. His maternal
grandmother usta be the school board president, pushed out by friends in
the construction business of other board members. I didnt know about the
teacher salaries, but I knew things were fishy.
He began 9th grade at Leslie AR, in another brand new school, but this
one was built on a concrete slab after they ran the computer network
wire into every classroom. with concrete block walls and an industrial
steel frame sheetmetal roof. They had him skip a grade, and when he
graduated 3 years later, 25% of the class scored above the *90th*
percentile. This in a state where the teacher salaries are 47th in the
national income averages... but the state, over all (and that even
includes the poor black Mississippi delta schools), is above the US
scholastic averages.
Course, one advantage- Gov Clinton pushed down the throats of the
teachers union competency tests for the *teachers*. Friends and kin
of the school boards hadda quit to be replaced by people who actually
knew how to teach. And even tho the salaries are low, good teachers
have flooded in knowing their good efforts wont be damaged by idiots
running other classrooms.
.
User: "E. Elder"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 04 Dec 2005 11:14:46 AM
Day Brown wrote:

Werner Hetzner wrote:

Last time I visited Rochester there didn't seem to be much life left
in the city. I've seen statistics that their public schools are among
the worst in the state and teachers' pay is near the top.


My son was in school in Greece, a well heeled suburb. I took him out of
a brand new school that was grossly overdone with kitch. His maternal
grandmother usta be the school board president, pushed out by friends in
the construction business of other board members. I didnt know about the
teacher salaries, but I knew things were fishy.

He began 9th grade at Leslie AR, in another brand new school, but this
one was built on a concrete slab after they ran the computer network
wire into every classroom. with concrete block walls and an industrial
steel frame sheetmetal roof. They had him skip a grade, and when he
graduated 3 years later, 25% of the class scored above the *90th*
percentile. This in a state where the teacher salaries are 47th in the
national income averages... but the state, over all (and that even
includes the poor black Mississippi delta schools), is above the US
scholastic averages.

Course, one advantage- Gov Clinton pushed down the throats of the
teachers union competency tests for the *teachers*. Friends and kin
of the school boards hadda quit to be replaced by people who actually
knew how to teach. And even tho the salaries are low, good teachers
have flooded in knowing their good efforts wont be damaged by idiots
running other classrooms.


Anyone who thinks Southern schools are superior to schools in the NE and
Midwest need psychiatric help. Most of the governors who fixed the
secondary schools in the Southern states had to raise taxes to fix them.
They had to build more schools and hire more teachers. Of course,
raising taxes creates a reelection problem. Governor Seigler fixed the
schools in GA and he wasn't relelcted.
Raising teaching standards alone accomplishes little. In Florida, the
state is facing a 30,000 person teacher shortage by 2010. They are using
all kinds of alternative methods to certify teachers. In addition, a
wife of one of the FL legislators couldn't pass the new test, so the
Republicans lessened the standards.
.
User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Highest wages in Blue states, lowest in Red. 04 Dec 2005 05:59:47 PM
E. Elder wrote:

Anyone who thinks Southern schools are superior to schools in the NE and
Midwest need psychiatric help.

I am not among them. I spoke, I thot, rather clearly about a particular,
and culturally unique region of a southern state. Indicative of this is
the fact that these counties *seceded* from the Confederate state of
Arkansas, and elected their own governor who was a union supporter.

Most of the governors who fixed the
secondary schools in the Southern states had to raise taxes to fix them.

I dont see that former gov. Clinton did that.

They had to build more schools and hire more teachers. Of course,
raising taxes creates a reelection problem. Governor Seigler fixed the
schools in GA and he wasn't relelcted.

Nor did he hire more teachers. His teacher testing program, which was
fought bitterly by the teacher's union, got many teachers fired, to be
replaced by those who actually had the academic credentials and talent
to be competent teachers.

Raising teaching standards alone accomplishes little. In Florida, the
state is facing a 30,000 person teacher shortage by 2010. They are using
all kinds of alternative methods to certify teachers. In addition, a
wife of one of the FL legislators couldn't pass the new test, so the
Republicans lessened the standards.

It wasnt only teacher standards. Clinton also began a program of testing
all the kids in the schools so that schools could be compared, and those
who were doing better could be examined as to why. And here, we find the
cleaner environment and large portion of family farms, as opposed to big
agribusiness tracts, correlates with better scores. Also, the small town
schools were hard to consolidate simply because the convoluted terrain
made bus rides too long. And there's plenty of data to show that smaller
schools have better results. Nevertheless, the state government now has
been pushing school consolidation.
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