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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "J Young"
Date: 22 Jul 2005 11:08:04 PM
Object: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews
Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.
http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/realstory.htm
The Real Story of Pius XII and the Jews
It is estimated that the actions of Pius XII directly led to the saving
of 800,000 Jewish lives during the war. The estimate of 800,000 Jewish
lives is based upon the testimony of the post-war government of the
recently created State of Israel which recognized and honored that
pope's contribution.
.

User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 01:58:55 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.



http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/realstory.htm

The Real Story of Pius XII and the Jews


It is estimated that the actions of Pius XII directly led to the saving
of 800,000 Jewish lives during the war. The estimate of 800,000 Jewish
lives is based upon the testimony of the post-war government of the
recently created State of Israel which recognized and honored that
pope's contribution.

Jeezus H. Christ on a stick! How fucking many yids were there in Europe?
Every time one turns around, one hears another story of how someone saved a
few hundred thousand of the cunts. That, on top of the supposed 6 million
that Hitler allegedly offed, makes for numbers far greater than ever
existed.
Someone, somewhere, is telling porkies.


.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 07:32:24 AM
"Ben Cramer" <bencramer7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.



http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/realstory.htm

The Real Story of Pius XII and the Jews


It is estimated that the actions of Pius XII directly led to the saving
of 800,000 Jewish lives during the war. The estimate of 800,000 Jewish
lives is based upon the testimony of the post-war government of the
recently created State of Israel which recognized and honored that
pope's contribution.


Jeezus H. Christ on a stick! How fucking many yids were there in Europe?
Every time one turns around, one hears another story of how someone saved
a few hundred thousand of the cunts. That, on top of the supposed 6
million that Hitler allegedly offed, makes for numbers far greater than
ever existed.

Someone, somewhere, is telling porkies.

You don't know your ***** from a hole in the wall.
BAM
.
User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 07:22:52 PM
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Ben Cramer" <bencramer7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.



http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/realstory.htm

The Real Story of Pius XII and the Jews


It is estimated that the actions of Pius XII directly led to the saving
of 800,000 Jewish lives during the war. The estimate of 800,000 Jewish
lives is based upon the testimony of the post-war government of the
recently created State of Israel which recognized and honored that
pope's contribution.


Jeezus H. Christ on a stick! How fucking many yids were there in Europe?
Every time one turns around, one hears another story of how someone saved
a few hundred thousand of the cunts. That, on top of the supposed 6
million that Hitler allegedly offed, makes for numbers far greater than
ever existed.

Someone, somewhere, is telling porkies.


You don't know your ***** from a hole in the wall.

Do so. Want to try answering the question?
.



User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 04:02:49 AM
in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.

He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert in
gratitude.
Paul
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 07:32:46 AM
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young
at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.




He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert in
gratitude.

Some did.
BAM
.
User: "Ben Cramer"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 07:23:27 PM
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young
at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.




He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert
in
gratitude.


Some did.

Bugger! We'll never get rid of the stink now, will we.
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 23 Jul 2005 04:45:42 PM
in article GMqEe.19381$xn.12573@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/23/05 8:32 AM:


"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF077FF9.B7BE%p.duca@comcast.net...

in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young
at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.




He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert in
gratitude.


Some did.

And you won't like it if they get a bigger payday in Catholic Heaven
than you do...
Paul
.
User: "Susan Cohen"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 24 Jul 2005 11:05:10 PM
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article GMqEe.19381$xn.12573@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/23/05 8:32 AM:


"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF077FF9.B7BE%p.duca@comcast.net...

in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J
Young
at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.




He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert in
gratitude.


Some did.



And you won't like it if they get a bigger payday in Catholic
Heaven
than you do...

I see that she's ignoring the fact that the only converts recorded are those
who were converted as children - not at the wish of their parents, of
course.
To his credit, the late Pope REFUSED to convert as child whose "adoptive
parents" wanted to baptize.
Susan



Paul

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User: "bam"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 25 Jul 2005 07:17:02 AM
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article GMqEe.19381$xn.12573@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 7/23/05 8:32 AM:


"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF077FF9.B7BE%p.duca@comcast.net...

in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J
Young
at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:

Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would assume that
His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save lives.
The record is finally being set straight.




He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert in
gratitude.


Some did.



And you won't like it if they get a bigger payday in Catholic
Heaven
than you do...


I see that she's ignoring the fact that the only converts recorded are
those who were converted as children - not at the wish of their parents,
of course.
To his credit, the late Pope REFUSED to convert as child whose "adoptive
parents" wanted to baptize.

Susan

Sorry Stu, but I was thinking of the Rabbi of Rome, Rabbi Herzog. So go back
to the abortion mill where you disgrace your ancestors.
BAM
.
User: "ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 25 Jul 2005 09:11:26 PM
Rabbi Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog was never the Chief Rabbi of Rome. In fact
he was never a rabbi in Rome or in any part of Italy.
He was the Chief Rabbi of Belfast, then of Ireland. On the death of Rav
Kook he became the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of the Palestine Mandate and
the first Chief Rabbi of the State of Israel.
His son Chaim Herzog:
Chaim Herzog (September 17, 1918 - April 17, 1997) served as the sixth
President of Israel (1983 - 1993), following a distinguished career in
both the British Army and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
Born in Belfast, Ireland, the son of notable Rabbi Yitzhak HaLevi
Herzog, he immigrated to Palestine in 1935, and served in the Jewish
paramilitary group Haganah during the Arab revolt of 1936-38.
He went on to earn a degree in law at University College London and then
qualified as a barrister at Lincoln's Inn. He joined the British army
during World War II, operating primarily in Germany. By the end of the
war, he had become head of intelligence in northern Germany for the
British, and participated in the liberation of several concentration
camps.
Immediately following the war, he returned to Palestine to participate
in the agitation for the formation of a Jewish state. Following the 1947
UN Partition Plan creating the state of Israel, he fought in the 1948
Arab-Israeli War, serving as an officer in the battles for Latrun.
His intelligence experience during World War II was seen as a valuable
asset, and he subsequently became head of the IDF Military Intelligence
Branch, a position in which he served from 1948 to 1950 and again from
1959 to 1962. In the intervening years, he had served as Israeli defence
attache at the Israeli Embassy in the United States (from 1950 to 1954).
By the time he retired from the IDF in 1962, he held the rank of
major-general.
After his retirement, he entered private law practice, but entered
public life again as the 1967 Six-Day War broke out, this time as a
military commentator on news radio. Following the capture of the West
Bank in that war, he did enter official public life again, becoming the
first military governor of the newly-acquired territory.
In 1975 he was appointed Israel's Ambassador to the United Nations, in
which capacity he served until 1978. In 1981 he entered politics for the
first time, winning election to the Knesset as a member of the Labour
Party.
In 1983 he was elected as the sixth President of Israel by the Knesset;
he served two five-year terms (then the maximum permitted by Israeli
basic law), retiring from political life in 1993.
"bam" <
> wrote in message
news:XJ4Fe.25739$Wt3.8614@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
:
: "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
: news:WxZEe.1668$Eo3.601@trnddc08...
: >
: > "Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > news:BF0832C6.B8FC%p.duca@comcast.net...
: >> in article GMqEe.19381$xn.12573@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
: >>
wrote on 7/23/05 8:32 AM:
: >>
: >>>
: >>> "Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >>> news:BF077FF9.B7BE%p.duca@comcast.net...
: >>>> in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
J
: >>>> Young
: >>>> at
: >>>>
wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:
: >>>>
: >>>>> Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would
assume that
: >>>>> His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save
lives.
: >>>>> The record is finally being set straight.
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert
in
: >>>> gratitude.
: >>>
: >>> Some did.
: >>>
: >>
: >>
: >> And you won't like it if they get a bigger payday in
Catholic
: >> Heaven
: >> than you do...
: >
: > I see that she's ignoring the fact that the only converts recorded
are
: > those who were converted as children - not at the wish of their
parents,
: > of course.
: > To his credit, the late Pope REFUSED to convert as child whose
"adoptive
: > parents" wanted to baptize.
: >
: > Susan
:
: Sorry Stu, but I was thinking of the Rabbi of Rome, Rabbi Herzog. So
go back
: to the abortion mill where you disgrace your ancestors.
:
: BAM
:
:
:
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: His Holiness Pope Pius XII and the Jews 25 Jul 2005 10:25:11 PM
I stand corrected. I meant Rabbi Zolli.
BAM
"ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:pXgFe.1089$8g5.125@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

Rabbi Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog was never the Chief Rabbi of Rome. In fact
he was never a rabbi in Rome or in any part of Italy.

He was the Chief Rabbi of Belfast, then of Ireland. On the death of Rav
Kook he became the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of the Palestine Mandate and
the first Chief Rabbi of the State of Israel.

His son Chaim Herzog:
Chaim Herzog (September 17, 1918 - April 17, 1997) served as the sixth
President of Israel (1983 - 1993), following a distinguished career in
both the British Army and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).

Born in Belfast, Ireland, the son of notable Rabbi Yitzhak HaLevi
Herzog, he immigrated to Palestine in 1935, and served in the Jewish
paramilitary group Haganah during the Arab revolt of 1936-38.

He went on to earn a degree in law at University College London and then
qualified as a barrister at Lincoln's Inn. He joined the British army
during World War II, operating primarily in Germany. By the end of the
war, he had become head of intelligence in northern Germany for the
British, and participated in the liberation of several concentration
camps.

Immediately following the war, he returned to Palestine to participate
in the agitation for the formation of a Jewish state. Following the 1947
UN Partition Plan creating the state of Israel, he fought in the 1948
Arab-Israeli War, serving as an officer in the battles for Latrun.

His intelligence experience during World War II was seen as a valuable
asset, and he subsequently became head of the IDF Military Intelligence
Branch, a position in which he served from 1948 to 1950 and again from
1959 to 1962. In the intervening years, he had served as Israeli defence
attache at the Israeli Embassy in the United States (from 1950 to 1954).
By the time he retired from the IDF in 1962, he held the rank of
major-general.

After his retirement, he entered private law practice, but entered
public life again as the 1967 Six-Day War broke out, this time as a
military commentator on news radio. Following the capture of the West
Bank in that war, he did enter official public life again, becoming the
first military governor of the newly-acquired territory.

In 1975 he was appointed Israel's Ambassador to the United Nations, in
which capacity he served until 1978. In 1981 he entered politics for the
first time, winning election to the Knesset as a member of the Labour
Party.

In 1983 he was elected as the sixth President of Israel by the Knesset;
he served two five-year terms (then the maximum permitted by Israeli
basic law), retiring from political life in 1993.





"bam" <

> wrote in message
news:XJ4Fe.25739$Wt3.8614@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
:
: "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
: news:WxZEe.1668$Eo3.601@trnddc08...
: >
: > "Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > news:BF0832C6.B8FC%p.duca@comcast.net...
: >> in article GMqEe.19381$xn.12573@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
: >>
wrote on 7/23/05 8:32 AM:
: >>
: >>>
: >>> "Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >>> news:BF077FF9.B7BE%p.duca@comcast.net...
: >>>> in article 1122091684.640960.217880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
J
: >>>> Young
: >>>> at
: >>>>
wrote on 7/23/05 12:08 AM:
: >>>>
: >>>>> Listening to some people in the Jewish community,one would
assume that
: >>>>> His Holiness Pope Pius XII did little during WWII to help save
lives.
: >>>>> The record is finally being set straight.
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> He may have saved them...you're just annyeed they didn't convert
in
: >>>> gratitude.
: >>>
: >>> Some did.
: >>>
: >>
: >>
: >> And you won't like it if they get a bigger payday in
Catholic
: >> Heaven
: >> than you do...
: >
: > I see that she's ignoring the fact that the only converts recorded
are
: > those who were converted as children - not at the wish of their
parents,
: > of course.
: > To his credit, the late Pope REFUSED to convert as child whose
"adoptive
: > parents" wanted to baptize.
: >
: > Susan
:
: Sorry Stu, but I was thinking of the Rabbi of Rome, Rabbi Herzog. So
go back
: to the abortion mill where you disgrace your ancestors.
:
: BAM
:
:
:


.








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