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News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 31, 2007
Crews discovered highly radioactive waste was leaking at the Hanford
Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington last week only after workers
in protective gear were checking a clogged pump and noticed the ground
was soaked with spilled nuclear sludge.
Critics labeled Friday's spill as further evidence of a bumbling cleanup
at the contaminated site in central Washington, saying that safety
equipment should have immediately detected the leak.
"You've got some of the most dangerous material ever created by humans
in those tanks," said Hyun Lee, a lawyer for the Hanford watchdog group
Heart of America Northwest.
The U.S. Department of Energy, which runs the reservation and is
overseeing the cleanup by private contractors, could not say Monday how
long radioactive material leaked or how much had escaped and seeped into
the arid ground.
Energy officials promised more details today after teams finish a review
the sequence of events and examine the site of the spill.
"It's not only what happened, it's how we responded to it that we're
looking at," said Erik Olds, Energy Department spokesman.
Once the leak was discovered, authorities issued a "take cover" alert to
workers in the area, warning them to stay inside. A dozen workers were
examined for exposure to harmful levels of radiation but were found to
be fine.
The federal government created the Hanford reservation at the dawn of
the nuclear age to supply plutonium for nuclear weapons, but it has
taken on a legacy as the most contaminated nuclear site in the nation.
The Energy Department is considering whether to use Hanford to house
nuclear waste from other sites around the country, but critics said last
week's spill shows federal officials must concentrate on handling what's
already there.
The multibillion dollar cleanup of Hanford's contaminated buildings and
ground has been plagued by spills, cost overruns and other problems.
Contractors have developed new tools and technologies to deal with a
leftover brew of chemical and nuclear waste.
Last week's spill happened as cleanup contractor CH2M Hill Hanford Group
Inc. pumped radioactive and chemical sludge Friday morning from an old,
single-walled tank to a newer and more secure double-walled tank.
The contractor employed a new tool called the "Rotary Viper" that was
supposed to spray high-pressure water inside the aging tank, breaking up
the waste so it would not clog pumps, the Department of Energy said.
The line carrying the waste between tanks was a double-layered
hose-inside-a-hose designed to prevent leaks, but a leak apparently
developed around the pump once it clogged, officials said.
When workers realized the pump had clogged, they entered the area in
protective gear to try to manually restart it, said Kim Ballinger of the
Department of Energy. But they detected unusual radiation levels and
quickly backed out and shut down all the equipment, she said.
"They knew something was going on because radiation levels were higher
than normal," she said.
Officials then assembled an "entry team" in protective gear to further
check the area about 9:45 a.m. Friday. They noticed a patch of soil
about 15 feet across that was dark where it was soaked with liquid that
had leaked around the pump.
The site was later sprayed with a cement-like material to seal any
spilled material so it would not be blown by the wind. Monitors in the
area detected no evidence of any airborne radiation, Ballinger said.
Officials at the Washington Department of Ecology said it appeared the
contractors had followed proper procedures after the leak was
discovered. While the federal Department of Energy oversees Hanford, it
assigns its cleanup to specialized private contractors.
But Heart of America Northwest called for an independent investigation
into whether the cleanup is complying with all required hazardous waste
laws. Equipment should be in place to detect even small leaks
immediately and should have been tested before any waste was moved, the
group said.
The group has won a legal settlement with the government requiring
public notification of any spills.
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User: "JHR"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 12:21:02 PM

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News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - July 31, 2007
Crews discovered highly radioactive waste was leaking at the Hanford
Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington last week only after workers
in protective gear were checking a clogged pump and noticed the ground
was soaked with spilled nuclear sludge.=20
Critics labeled Friday's spill as further evidence of a bumbling =
cleanup
at the contaminated site in central Washington, saying that safety
equipment should have immediately detected the leak.=20
"You've got some of the most dangerous material ever created by humans
in those tanks," said Hyun Lee, a lawyer for the Hanford watchdog =
group
Heart of America Northwest.=20
The U.S. Department of Energy, which runs the reservation and is
overseeing the cleanup by private contractors, could not say Monday =
how
long radioactive material leaked or how much had escaped and seeped =
into
the arid ground.=20
Energy officials promised more details today after teams finish a =
review
the sequence of events and examine the site of the spill.=20
"It's not only what happened, it's how we responded to it that we're
looking at," said Erik Olds, Energy Department spokesman.=20
Once the leak was discovered, authorities issued a "take cover" alert =
to
workers in the area, warning them to stay inside. A dozen workers were
examined for exposure to harmful levels of radiation but were found to
be fine.=20
The federal government created the Hanford reservation at the dawn of
the nuclear age to supply plutonium for nuclear weapons, but it has
taken on a legacy as the most contaminated nuclear site in the nation. =
The Energy Department is considering whether to use Hanford to house
nuclear waste from other sites around the country, but critics said =
last
week's spill shows federal officials must concentrate on handling =
what's
already there.=20
The multibillion dollar cleanup of Hanford's contaminated buildings =
and
ground has been plagued by spills, cost overruns and other problems.
Contractors have developed new tools and technologies to deal with a
leftover brew of chemical and nuclear waste.=20
Last week's spill happened as cleanup contractor CH2M Hill Hanford =
Group
Inc. pumped radioactive and chemical sludge Friday morning from an =
old,
single-walled tank to a newer and more secure double-walled tank.=20
The contractor employed a new tool called the "Rotary Viper" that was
supposed to spray high-pressure water inside the aging tank, breaking =
up
the waste so it would not clog pumps, the Department of Energy said.=20
The line carrying the waste between tanks was a double-layered
hose-inside-a-hose designed to prevent leaks, but a leak apparently
developed around the pump once it clogged, officials said.=20
When workers realized the pump had clogged, they entered the area in
protective gear to try to manually restart it, said Kim Ballinger of =
the
Department of Energy. But they detected unusual radiation levels and
quickly backed out and shut down all the equipment, she said.=20
"They knew something was going on because radiation levels were higher
than normal," she said.=20
Officials then assembled an "entry team" in protective gear to further
check the area about 9:45 a.m. Friday. They noticed a patch of soil
about 15 feet across that was dark where it was soaked with liquid =
that
had leaked around the pump.=20
The site was later sprayed with a cement-like material to seal any
spilled material so it would not be blown by the wind. Monitors in the
area detected no evidence of any airborne radiation, Ballinger said.=20
Officials at the Washington Department of Ecology said it appeared the
contractors had followed proper procedures after the leak was
discovered. While the federal Department of Energy oversees Hanford, =
it
assigns its cleanup to specialized private contractors.=20
But Heart of America Northwest called for an independent investigation
into whether the cleanup is complying with all required hazardous =
waste
laws. Equipment should be in place to detect even small leaks
immediately and should have been tested before any waste was moved, =
the
group said.=20
The group has won a legal settlement with the government requiring
public notification of any spills.
~
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"safety equipment should have immediately detected the leak."=20
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User: "richard schumacher"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 10:04:07 AM

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe nuclear
energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of why you are
dead wrong.

Human-caused global warming will create some half-billion refugees
through climate shift and sea level rise. No doubt your grandchildren
will bless your name for your environmental purity.
All coal naturally contains a few parts per million of radioactive
uranium and thorium. Because of this every coal-fired power plant in
the world continually emits more radioactivity than is legal for any
nuclear power plant. If coal-fired power plants had to obey the same
rules as nuclear plants, they would all shut down.
It is time to educate ourselves about safe, clean, carbon-neutral
nuclear power. The world can no longer afford ignorant antinuke
hysteria.
.

User: "Green Turtle Super"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 01:14:30 PM

"richard schumacher" <no-spam@invalid.net> wrote in message news:no-spam-

It is time to educate ourselves about safe, clean, carbon-neutral
nuclear power. The world can no longer afford ignorant antinuke
hysteria.

it is a amazing that one week the global warming people will demonstrate in
front of a coal plant, and the next week, demonstrate in front of a nuclear
plant!
You have to wonder if these people demonstrate as a hobby (more like
complain and *****). It seems that these people have forgotten about
thinking on these issues!
burning fossil fuels, and using "chemical" combustion is so lame, so old,
and is a terrible source of pollution (I not talking about co2..because co2
is part of the life food chain..and co2 is NOT a pollutant).
Regardless, you would think the global warming crowd would be 100% on board
on using nuclear energy because of NO co2 emissions. Most of the global
warming people are socialist, and are against the western concept of
industrial might, so it little wonder they don't want coal plants, but this
mentally also explains why they don't want nuclear plants either!
Away, one mans greatest achievement is that we learned how to harness the
power of the atom. Imagine that, perfectly clean non chemical production of
electricity, and these people don't want this form of energy? It kind like
we have the 100 mpg car, but people want to destroy it. (heck, lets get the
green folks to stop this new energy!!!).
nuclear is clean, safe and pollutes less then ANY form of "chemical" energy
that we use to today.
In the USA we have 103 reactors spread across the country. When the last
time someone got hurt? (we talking 10, or 20 reactors..but over 100!!).
These reactors are OLD fashioned ones..and are 40+ year old designs. You
seen a 40 year old car, or 40 year old computer?
The new designs and new reactors are even more safe then the INCREDIBLE
track record of the older plants. I don't believe ANY worker has EVER been
killed in the us due to radiation Contrast that to coal mining..and the
1000's of life's lost in that industry.
And, thank goodness congress waffled on proving funds to bury the nuclear by
products and waste from these nuclear plants. Man, are these people nuts???
You have radioactive material..and you want to bury it? Why would you bury
somtng that is radioactive;? if it radio active, it produces energy, and
should be thrown BACK INTO THE REACTOR!!!
This exactly what France is doing now. France is the HIGHEST user of nuclear
energy, ad 80% of their energy comes from nuclear (funny how we never hear
this!!!).
further, the current reactors on the drawing board will likely recycle 100%
of the radioactive active materials. In other words, radioactive mater =
$$$$ value stuff!!!
However, the flood gates for the nuclear industry is about to burst wide
open. We will be building these things like MacDonald's makes burgers in the
near future.
Not only is nuclear the ONLY solution we have, it also the best one by a
country mile....
As for terrorists, or people stealing the nuclear material, it as hard, or
harder to use the material from a nuclear plant as is the raw uranium you
mine. In other words, the idea of making a bomb from this is stuff is no
worse then if you purchased buckets of the dirt from the mining company.
Again, another silly false "fear" mongering tactic of the peace niks and
anti-nuclear people.
Anyway...nuclear is safe, pollutant free..and harnessing the power of the
atom is a ZILLION times better then going back to burning fossil fuels like
cave men did...
The power of atom is man's future....
Super Turtle
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User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 02:26:44 PM

I would have to read a bit more to find your claim about France's
reactors. Personally, it sounds like hooie because it doesn't seem to
embrace the laws of physics and One would think this stuff would be
all over the news and win a prize. You are talking the biggest change
in operations since the invention of the nuclear reactor nearly 70
years ago.
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User: "Rich"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 10:18:23 AM

richard schumacher wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe nuclear
energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of why you are
dead wrong.

Human-caused global warming will create some half-billion refugees
through climate shift and sea level rise. No doubt your grandchildren
will bless your name for your environmental purity.

That's the claim at any rate.
But these things have been happening for the entire history of the earth,
so they are not as unusual as you may think.

All coal naturally contains a few parts per million of radioactive
uranium and thorium. Because of this every coal-fired power plant in
the world continually emits more radioactivity than is legal for any
nuclear power plant. If coal-fired power plants had to obey the same
rules as nuclear plants, they would all shut down.

Do you have some numbers here?

It is time to educate ourselves about safe, clean, carbon-neutral
nuclear power. The world can no longer afford ignorant antinuke
hysteria.

If nuclear power plants are built and paid for *by* the power companies,
I have no problem with em.
But the power companies want billions in guaranteed loans to build,
and that I have issues with.
Cheers,
Rich
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User: "hal lillywhite"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 12:50:47 PM

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of why you are dead wrong.

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of energy. It
is an antiquated site that was designed to support weapons, not
peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with modern energy
technology.
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User: "JHR"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 01:18:22 PM

"hal lillywhite" <hlillywh@juno.com> wrote in message
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JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of why
you are dead wrong.

There's that word again...nuclear.
Thanks for helping me prove my point.
Independent
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User: "hal lillywhite"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:02:49 PM

JHR wrote:

There's that word again...nuclear.

Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Terrible what that word means
isn't it? Something like using the word "witch" in old-time Salem.
Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.
Quick, hide under the bed!
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:14:20 PM

On Jul 31, 3:02 pm, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

JHR wrote:

There's that word again...nuclear.

Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Terrible what that word means
isn't it? Something like using the word "witch" in old-time Salem.

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

Quick, hide under the bed!

Now you've got him cowering scared that his tan will KILL him
BWAAAHAAHAAAAHAAHA HA AHAAHA AGAA
boy fetch me that AXE
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User: "Lobby Dosser"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:35:59 PM

Steven <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 31, 3:02 pm, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

JHR wrote:

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of energy.
It is an antiquated site that was designed to support weapons,
not peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with modern
energy technology.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Terrible what that word means
isn't it? Something like using the word "witch" in old-time Salem.

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

Quick, hide under the bed!

Now you've got him cowering scared that his tan will KILL him

It might. At least one of the UV caused skin cancers is pretty much a
death sentence.

BWAAAHAAHAAAAHAAHA HA AHAAHA AGAA

boy fetch me that AXE

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:22:53 PM

On Jul 31, 3:35 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 31, 3:02 pm, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

JHR wrote:

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of energy.
It is an antiquated site that was designed to support weapons,
not peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with modern
energy technology.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Terrible what that word means
isn't it? Something like using the word "witch" in old-time Salem.

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

Quick, hide under the bed!

Now you've got him cowering scared that his tan will KILL him

It might. At least one of the UV caused skin cancers is pretty much a
death sentence.

I love orange people.
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User: "Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 08:57:55 AM

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:02:49 -0700, hal lillywhite <hlillywh@juno.com>
wrote:

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

Now there you've gone and done it! Here I am setting up for a canoe
trip this morning down the Willamette with an erstwhile poster hereon,
and you have to go bring up the damned uV problem.
Well, JZ and I will take all the appropriate cautions this ayem. But
it won't involve a bed to hide under.
Hats and long sleeved shirts will have to do for this morning, plus
some good sunscreen.
Should be a pleasant float.
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User: "lein"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 10:17:45 AM

On Aug 1, 6:57 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:02:49 -0700, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com>
wrote:

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

Now there you've gone and done it! Here I am setting up for a canoe
trip this morning down the Willamette with an erstwhile poster hereon,
and you have to go bring up the damned uV problem.

Well, JZ and I will take all the appropriate cautions this ayem. But
it won't involve a bed to hide under.

Hats and long sleeved shirts will have to do for this morning, plus
some good sunscreen.

Should be a pleasant float.

Be sure to do us all a favor and go over the falls in Oregon City.
Also, feel free to drink out of the river anytime.
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User: "Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	01 Aug 2007 07:41:27 PM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:17:45 -0700, lein <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com>
wrote:

On Aug 1, 6:57 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:02:49 -0700, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com>
wrote:
Here I am setting up for a canoe
trip this morning down the Willamette with an erstwhile poster hereon,
and you have to go bring up the damned uV problem.

Well, JZ and I will take all the appropriate cautions this ayem. But
it won't involve a bed to hide under.

Hats and long sleeved shirts will have to do for this morning, plus
some good sunscreen.

Should be a pleasant float.

Be sure to do us all a favor and go over the falls in Oregon City.

Aww, lein -- a malediction from You?
Seems quite uncharitable, somehow. I surely wouldn't wish any harm
would come to you, after all.

Also, feel free to drink out of the river anytime.

I might well Feel free to do that, but still wouldn't. OTOH, there
were those folks water skiing and swimming in the river today who
probably did ingest some river water.
Nah -- just a really nice day. Saw a bunch of eagles, even more
ospreys in the act of fishing, two salmon and much other wildlife. In
addition to which, had a full day to spend with a long-time good
friend whom I met hereon.
we got a chuckle out of telling or.politics stories. He left when the
Weirdos got to be far too strange for the time he was willing to spend
with them, so I got to bring him up to date.
We had a nice chuckle, then went on to important matters.
.

User: "Bill Shatzer"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:27:25 PM

hal lillywhite wrote:

JHR wrote:

There's that word again...nuclear.

You figure out a way to keep nuclear power 93 million miles away from
people, their homes, and families, and you'll probably have fewer
objections to it.
Unfortunately, the experience to date has been that they build these
things considerably closer to where people (and their food and water
sources) are.
Peace and justice,
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:35:03 PM

On Jul 31, 6:27 pm, Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:

hal lillywhite wrote:

JHR wrote:

There's that word again...nuclear.

You figure out a way to keep nuclear power 93 million miles away from
people, their homes, and families, and you'll probably have fewer
objections to it.

Unfortunately, the experience to date has been that they build these
things considerably closer to where people (and their food and water
sources) are.

Peace and justice,

Solar radiation can mess up satellites during a radiation storm.
.

User: "Bob B."
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:39:41 PM

Steven wrote:

Solar radiation can mess up satellites during a radiation storm.

Short of a Dyson sphere, that's a pretty difficult containment problem.
.

User: "Bob B."
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:13:27 PM

hal lillywhite wrote:

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

D'oh! We only wish!
Doesn't it just suck to make that kind of an error in public when you
really do know what you're talking about?
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:17:04 PM

On Jul 31, 3:13 pm, "Bob B." <b.beaucha...@comcast.net> wrote:

hal lillywhite wrote:

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

D'oh! We only wish!

Doesn't it just suck to make that kind of an error in public when you
really do know what you're talking about?

It's the star SOL, commonly referred to as 'the sun'.
thanks for playing, that's all we have time for today, so tune in
tomorrow for another game of 'PDX.GENERAL"!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAH!
.

User: "Bob B."
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:20:40 PM

Steven wrote:

On Jul 31, 3:13 pm, "Bob B." <b.beaucha...@comcast.net> wrote:

hal lillywhite wrote:

Want something to really scare you? Most of the world's energy comes
from nuclear fusion. In fact as I look out my window I see the whole
area brightly lit from a nuclear fusion source.

D'oh! We only wish!

Doesn't it just suck to make that kind of an error in public when you
really do know what you're talking about?

It's the star SOL, commonly referred to as 'the sun'.

Ok, my turn to play the dufus. Hadn't considered that angle.
Bet you could get almost universal agreement on any power source short
of melting baby seals if you could locate the plant 93 million miles
away from everyone's back yard.
.

User: "hal lillywhite"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 06:51:25 PM

Bob B. wrote:

It's the star SOL, commonly referred to as 'the sun'.

Ok, my turn to play the dufus. Hadn't considered that angle.

Nice to see someone willing to own up to an error. Your stock just
went up in my mind.

Bet you could get almost universal agreement on any power source short
of melting baby seals if you could locate the plant 93 million miles
away from everyone's back yard.

Well, don't bet on it. Ol' sol sends plenty of ionizing radition our
way, including what causes a tan (or burn if you are out in it too
long). That can be carcinogenic you know. It also spews out rather a
lot of charged particles which cause things like the auroa borealis.
Sorry, you cannot avoid the effects of nuclear energy generation,
including dangerous radiation.
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:25:28 PM

On Jul 31, 5:51 pm, hal lillywhite <hlill...@juno.com> wrote:

Bob B. wrote:

It's the star SOL, commonly referred to as 'the sun'.

Ok, my turn to play the dufus. Hadn't considered that angle.

Nice to see someone willing to own up to an error. Your stock just
went up in my mind.

Bet you could get almost universal agreement on any power source short
of melting baby seals if you could locate the plant 93 million miles
away from everyone's back yard.

Well, don't bet on it. Ol' sol sends plenty of ionizing radition our
way, including what causes a tan (or burn if you are out in it too
long). That can be carcinogenic you know. It also spews out rather a
lot of charged particles which cause things like the auroa borealis.

Sorry, you cannot avoid the effects of nuclear energy generation,
including dangerous radiation.

Radiation is a normal process of life. Study the definitions and
consider heat and light are radiations. Pinning it to fission is
absurd.
.

User: "Lobby Dosser"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 10:52:14 PM

hal lillywhite <hlillywh@juno.com> wrote:

.... messes up communications and plays havoc with satellites. Got to wonder
about the folks in the space station for six months - turn and baste.
.

User: "Bob B."
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:09:31 PM

hal lillywhite wrote:

Bob B. wrote:

It's the star SOL, commonly referred to as 'the sun'.

Ok, my turn to play the dufus. Hadn't considered that angle.

Nice to see someone willing to own up to an error. Your stock just
went up in my mind.

Uh, no problem. I've done it before and doubtless I'll have to do it
again. And again.

Bet you could get almost universal agreement on any power source short
of melting baby seals if you could locate the plant 93 million miles
away from everyone's back yard.

Yeah, you're probably right. Some overzealous Luddite would probably
chain himself to the reactor to protest our pollution of the pristine
nature of the vacuum without so much as the smallest understanding of
virtual particle pair production.
Sometimes, you really can't win. Of course, with a long enough cable,
we don't really need the 386 billion billion megawatts of power
generated by the sun, so we might consider scaling back the reactor just
a smidge.
Meanwhile, we'll have to keep making iron the old fashioned way - by
working our way down the periodic table instead of up.

Sorry, you cannot avoid the effects of nuclear energy generation,
including dangerous radiation.

Won't somebody think of the children???
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:27:26 PM

On Jul 31, 6:09 pm, "Bob B." <b.beaucha...@comcast.net> wrote:

hal lillywhite wrote:

Bob B. wrote:

Meanwhile, we'll have to keep making iron the old fashioned way - by
working our way down the periodic table instead of up.

I thought it was men in thermal suits and some smithy with and anvil
and hammer.
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 01:43:55 PM

On Jul 31, 12:18 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"hal lillywhite" <hlill...@juno.com> wrote in message

news:1185904247.035318.75360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of why
you are dead wrong.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Independent

Every cell in your body has a NUCLEUS...therefore your cell structure
is NUCLEAR, more or less.
Hanford was a weapons research lab. It had fucking nothing to do with
nuclear power. YES, Tokyo Electric was stupid, and NO it was barrels
not the reactor that ruptured.
Richland High School's team name was the Bombers IIRC...guess why?
This one-stop name-dropping needs to stop and possess a brain.
.

User: "JHR"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 02:52:58 PM

"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185907435.686824.44690@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 31, 12:18 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"hal lillywhite" <hlill...@juno.com> wrote in message

news:1185904247.035318.75360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example of
why
you are dead wrong.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Independent

Every cell in your body has a NUCLEUS...therefore your cell structure
is NUCLEAR, more or less.

Hanford was a weapons research lab. It had fucking nothing to do with
nuclear power. YES, Tokyo Electric was stupid, and NO it was barrels
not the reactor that ruptured.

Richland High School's team name was the Bombers IIRC...guess why?

This one-stop name-dropping needs to stop and possess a brain.

The difference in our bodies is that they will completely decompose
naturally.
Independent
.

User: "Lobby Dosser"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 04:33:17 PM

"JHR" <BadEnergyPolicy@USA.com> wrote:

"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185907435.686824.44690@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 31, 12:18 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"hal lillywhite" <hlill...@juno.com> wrote in message

news:1185904247.035318.75360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how
safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example
of why
you are dead wrong.

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of energy.
It is an antiquated site that was designed to support weapons, not
peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with modern energy
technology.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Independent

Every cell in your body has a NUCLEUS...therefore your cell structure
is NUCLEAR, more or less.

Hanford was a weapons research lab. It had fucking nothing to do with
nuclear power. YES, Tokyo Electric was stupid, and NO it was barrels
not the reactor that ruptured.

Richland High School's team name was the Bombers IIRC...guess why?

This one-stop name-dropping needs to stop and possess a brain.

The difference in our bodies is that they will completely decompose
naturally.

So will the nuclear waste.
.

User: "Steven"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 07:22:02 PM

On Jul 31, 3:33 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
wrote:

"JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185907435.686824.44690@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 31, 12:18 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"hal lillywhite" <hlill...@juno.com> wrote in message

news:1185904247.035318.75360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about how
safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another example
of why
you are dead wrong.

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of energy.
It is an antiquated site that was designed to support weapons, not
peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with modern energy
technology.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Independent

Every cell in your body has a NUCLEUS...therefore your cell structure
is NUCLEAR, more or less.

Hanford was a weapons research lab. It had fucking nothing to do with
nuclear power. YES, Tokyo Electric was stupid, and NO it was barrels
not the reactor that ruptured.

Richland High School's team name was the Bombers IIRC...guess why?

This one-stop name-dropping needs to stop and possess a brain.

The difference in our bodies is that they will completely decompose
naturally.

So will the nuclear waste.

The universe will collapse on itself and blow up again too.
.

User: "Lobby Dosser"
Title: Re: "Homer, How come the river is glowing?"	31 Jul 2007 10:53:49 PM

Steven <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 31, 3:33 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
wrote:

"JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185907435.686824.44690@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 31, 12:18 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:

"hal lillywhite" <hlill...@juno.com> wrote in message

news:1185904247.035318.75360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

JHR wrote:

Who was it on this NG that was just recently arguing about
how safe
nuclear energy is. You know who you are. Here is another
example of why
you are dead wrong.

'cept Hanford has little to do with nuclear generation of
energy. It is an antiquated site that was designed to support
weapons, not peaceful nuclear power. It has little to do with
modern energy technology.

There's that word again...nuclear.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Independent

Every cell in your body has a NUCLEUS...therefore your cell
structure is NUCLEAR, more or less.

Hanford was a weapons research lab. It had fucking nothing to do
with nuclear power. YES, Tokyo Electric was stupid, and NO it was
barrels not the reactor that ruptured.

Richland High School's team name was the Bombers IIRC...guess why?

This one-stop name-dropping needs to stop and possess a brain.

The difference in our bodies is that they will completely decompose
naturally.

So will the nuclear waste.

The universe will collapse on itself and blow up again too.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!
.

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