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"Harry Hope" |
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16 Aug 2003 04:46:30 PM |
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House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01 |
From The Chicago Tribune, 8/16/03:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0308150208aug15,1,140165.story
House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01
Soon after the power failure began, the political sparks started to
fly.
Democrats, including New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton of New York, criticized the federal government for not
improving the nation's power grid.
President Bush said Thursday that "we'll have time to look at it and
determine whether or not our grid needs to be modernized. I happen to
think it does, and have said so all along."
But a Democratic proposal in June 2001 to offer $350 million in
federal loans and loan guarantees to improve power transmission
systems was defeated by Bush's allies in the House.
The legislation was offered during the California energy crisis, and
House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas) said at the time, "It's pure
demagoguery.
If Democrats had an energy policy, they'd have had one in the last
eight years" under President Bill Clinton.
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Bush the cretin is spending $6 billion a month in Iraq and can't seem
to find $350 million for the folks back home.
Pretty much says it all, doesn't it.
Harry
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| User: "Gus" |
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17 Aug 2003 02:29:41 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The Chicago Tribune, 8/16/03:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0308150208aug15,1,140165.story
House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01
Soon after the power failure began, the political sparks started to
fly.
Democrats, including New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton of New York, criticized the federal government for not
improving the nation's power grid.
President Bush said Thursday that "we'll have time to look at it and
determine whether or not our grid needs to be modernized. I happen to
think it does, and have said so all along."
But a Democratic proposal in June 2001 to offer $350 million in
federal loans and loan guarantees to improve power transmission
systems was defeated by Bush's allies in the House.
The legislation was offered during the California energy crisis, and
House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas) said at the time, "It's pure
demagoguery.
If Democrats had an energy policy, they'd have had one in the last
eight years" under President Bill Clinton.
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Bush the cretin is spending $6 billion a month in Iraq and can't seem
to find $350 million for the folks back home.
Of course, he's trimming government spending and getting the gov't off
the peoples' backs.
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| User: "Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" |
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17 Aug 2003 06:31:36 AM |
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Gus wrote:
Of course, he's trimming government spending
WHERE???
Trimming services you don't like and replacing them with services you
do like is not trimming government spending, it's musical chairs. Have
you not noticed the deficit rising? Government spending is not getting
trimmed, with the mutliple wars going on it's being increased.
and getting the gov't off the peoples' backs.
*chuckle*
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright, I believe that one.
TT
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| User: "Don W. McCollough" |
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| Title: Re: House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01 |
17 Aug 2003 04:37:13 AM |
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The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying
to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
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| User: "Gary Forbis" |
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17 Aug 2003 10:49:13 AM |
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(Don W. McCollough) wrote in message news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying
to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a specification of
maximum outages with financial costs to be bore when not met. A class
action suit for not providing contracted services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a capitalistic society.
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| User: "Fay" |
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17 Aug 2003 12:07:07 PM |
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(Gary Forbis) wrote in
news:5a1238fe.0308170749.35f1b1df@posting.google.com:
letters@softhome.net (Don W. McCollough) wrote in message
news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations
crying to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a specification of
maximum outages with financial costs to be bore when not met. A class
action suit for not providing contracted services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a capitalistic
society.
A few months past I posted how the Democrats angered me when they
defeated an oil exploration and utilities bill that had passed
the House. This bill called for a postage stamp size oil field in
the middle of nowhere in Alaska. If you owned a ten-acre parcel
of land, this oil field would be equivalent to sticking a
toothpick in a single blade of grass on that ten-acre parcel. Not
only would the drilling help us reduce our dependance on foreign
oil, it would have provided very needed jobs, not to mention
revenue for the pipeline states, and it was so small it could not
have possibly harmed the ecology.
One other item contained in this bill called for a complete
reworking of our utility services program, including new power
plants, new transmission lines, and a host of other additions
that according to the past two Energy Secretaries, we desperately
needed.
But Hillary Clinton would have none of this. She and her cronies
knew that if this bill passed not only would we reduce our
dependence on foreign oil, create jobs, stimulate the economy,
and create jobs in our new power plants and transmission points,
but President Bush would also get the credit and glory for all
those benefits. Ms. Clinton and her cronies decided their
interest came first. And the American people? Well they can just
howl like they did when Bill was in the White House because
Hillary and the rest of the Clinton democrats know they do not
need to consider the needs of the American people, just lie to
them and keep the lies going until after the last election. Then
of course whine excuses and cover-ups for their lies.
I complained then the Dems were acting as obstructionists - but
strange as it may sound, today these same Dems are calling for "a
reconstruction of our utility plants." Duh. Talk about closing
the gate after the cows have already got out!
If you live in New York, don't forget to send Hillary a thank you
note for your power outage, and please people, remember that
Hillary does not give a damn about New Yorkers nor the American
people. Hillary is a lawyer, you know, a paid liar. So you can
expect some "lip service" like Bill used to deliver, but actual
results? Nah. Remember the "Health Care" ol Hillary was going to
change for everyone? Has this woman ever, once, accomplished
anything? She certainly screwed up our health care and forced it
to go up in cost not down like she promised, and now we find out
she is partially responsible for this devastating power outage in
the very state she is "supposed" to represent.
I hope everyone remembers what the Dems are doing to the American
people come election time.
I should also mention that our court backlog has risen to about
eight months because the Democrats are filler busting every Judge
that President Bush recommends, and they are in true
obstructionist form refusing to allow Yay or Nay votes on these
Judges. Of course these tactics play very well with their law
firms back home. The Dems know the longer a case stays in the
courts the more money the lawyers make, and these Dems just
*love* trial lawyers. So they are using a political tactic to
squeeze more money out of legal clients, and they are blaming
politics, sure guys, we believe you. Our courts are back logged
enough. I say the Dems should be forced by the Supreme Court to
stop trying to obstruct our Government. The American people have
a right to have access to our courts, and it is the American
people the Dems are attacking and harming, not the Republicans.
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| User: "Gary Forbis" |
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18 Aug 2003 07:13:19 AM |
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93DA7B4014415Faynospamnet@216.168.3.44>...
forbisgaryg@msn.com (Gary Forbis) wrote in
news:5a1238fe.0308170749.35f1b1df@posting.google.com:
letters@softhome.net (Don W. McCollough) wrote in message
news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations
crying to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a specification of
maximum outages with financial costs to be bore when not met. A class
action suit for not providing contracted services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a capitalistic
society.
A few months past I posted how the Democrats angered me when they
defeated an oil exploration and utilities bill that had passed
the House. This bill called for a postage stamp size oil field in
the middle of nowhere in Alaska. If you owned a ten-acre parcel
of land, this oil field would be equivalent to sticking a
toothpick in a single blade of grass on that ten-acre parcel.
You see. Destroy the commons is the capitalistic answer.
How many toothpicks must the nation endure? What percentage of the orginal
oil supply does this small portion of the nation represent?
Modernization of the energy system doesn't depend upon drilling in ANWR.
It isn't fair to complain about a senator for failing to vote for something
that is a rider on a bad package. (leave aside that the energy companies
should be updating and passing the costs along to their customers rather than
require the nation as a whole to pay for it.)
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| User: "Fay" |
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| Title: Re: House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01 |
18 Aug 2003 09:03:40 AM |
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(Gary Forbis) wrote in
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message
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(Gary Forbis) wrote in
news:5a1238fe.0308170749.35f1b1df@posting.google.com:
letters@softhome.net (Don W. McCollough) wrote in message
news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as
their *power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business
that it in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar
corporations crying to the federal government for a handout is a
joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a specification
of maximum outages with financial costs to be bore when not met. A
class action suit for not providing contracted services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a capitalistic
society.
A few months past I posted how the Democrats angered me when they
defeated an oil exploration and utilities bill that had passed
the House. This bill called for a postage stamp size oil field in
the middle of nowhere in Alaska. If you owned a ten-acre parcel
of land, this oil field would be equivalent to sticking a
toothpick in a single blade of grass on that ten-acre parcel.
You see. Destroy the commons is the capitalistic answer.
How many toothpicks must the nation endure? What percentage of the
orginal oil supply does this small portion of the nation represent?
Modernization of the energy system doesn't depend upon drilling in
ANWR. It isn't fair to complain about a senator for failing to vote
for something that is a rider on a bad package. (leave aside that the
energy companies should be updating and passing the costs along to
their customers rather than require the nation as a whole to pay for
it.)
The main item contained in this bill voted down by Dashole called for a
complete reworking of our utility services program, including new power
plants, new transmission lines, and a host of other additions
that according to the past two Energy Secretaries, we desperately
needed.
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| User: "Fay" |
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18 Aug 2003 04:26:02 PM |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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I don't think network upgrade loan program would reached the floor.
Both Bush,Jr and DelaY OPPOSED IT.
The House passed the bill. The 2001 Democrat controll Senate wouldn't bring
it to a vote.
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message
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forbisgaryg@msn.com (Gary Forbis) wrote in
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message
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forbisgaryg@msn.com (Gary Forbis) wrote in
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letters@softhome.net (Don W. McCollough) wrote in message
news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to
"improve the grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier
taxes as well as their *power bills*. That's such an
extremely profitable business that it in no way needs
subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying to the
federal government for a handout is a joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a
specification of maximum outages with financial costs to be
bore when not met. A class action suit for not providing
contracted services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a
capitalistic society.
A few months past I posted how the Democrats angered me when
they defeated an oil exploration and utilities bill that had
passed the House. This bill called for a postage stamp size oil
field in the middle of nowhere in Alaska. If you owned a
ten-acre parcel of land, this oil field would be equivalent to
sticking a toothpick in a single blade of grass on that ten-acre
parcel.
You see. Destroy the commons is the capitalistic answer.
How many toothpicks must the nation endure? What percentage of
the orginal oil supply does this small portion of the nation
represent?
Modernization of the energy system doesn't depend upon drilling
in ANWR. It isn't fair to complain about a senator for failing to
vote for something that is a rider on a bad package. (leave
aside that the energy companies should be updating and passing
the costs along to their customers rather than require the nation
as a whole to pay for it.)
The main item contained in this bill voted down by Dashole called
for a complete reworking of our utility services program, including
new power plants, new transmission lines, and a host of other
additions that according to the past two Energy Secretaries, we
desperately needed.
Is that why BushCo included the unpopular and boneheaded drilling
ANWR scheme with the power grid upgrades? Why not present them as
seperate bills? Because the upgrade would have happened and BushCo
and friends wouldn't get to drill in the wilderness. Don't bore me
with how necessary the oil from Alaska is. We all know that we would
save MORE oil than will come out of ANWR if we increase fuel economy
by a very attainable fraction. Perhaps we would save as much if we
limited Snowmobiling in Yellowstone. Oh thats right that would be un
American now wouldn't it.... C'mon FayReneBabsWalker you don't think
America is that stupid do you, or maybe you do?
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| User: "Easy Rider" |
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18 Aug 2003 03:40:22 PM |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:kga0b.16174$f44.6419@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com:
I don't think network upgrade loan program would reached the floor.
Both Bush,Jr and DelaY OPPOSED IT.
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No, you're wrong. It was Clinton's fault.
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas,
probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on —
shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
—George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
"Don't be fooled again"
-Me, August 1, 2003.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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18 Aug 2003 03:46:31 PM |
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Who?
Clinton?
He's been gone for going on three years.
Who's been in charge?
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"Easy Rider" <bio_dude@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:kga0b.16174$f44.6419@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com:
I don't think network upgrade loan program would reached the floor.
Both Bush,Jr and DelaY OPPOSED IT.
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No, you're wrong. It was Clinton's fault.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas,
probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on —
shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
—George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
"Don't be fooled again"
-Me, August 1, 2003.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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18 Aug 2003 05:29:41 PM |
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Touché!
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"Easy Rider" <bio_dude@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:sSa0b.7405$mE5.991
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Who?
Clinton?
He's been gone for going on three years.
Who's been in charge?
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Doesn't matter. Everything bad is Clinton's fault. Everything good is
because of Reagan.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas,
probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on —
shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
—George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
"Don't be fooled again"
-Me, August 1, 2003.
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| User: "Fay" |
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18 Aug 2003 03:17:27 PM |
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(Frank) wrote in
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message
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forbisgaryg@msn.com (Gary Forbis) wrote in
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Fay <Fay@nospam.net> wrote in message
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forbisgaryg@msn.com (Gary Forbis) wrote in
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letters@softhome.net (Don W. McCollough) wrote in message
news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve
the grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well
as their *power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable
business that it in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion
dollar corporations crying to the federal government for a
handout is a joke.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Maybe we need contractual guaranties of service and a
specification of maximum outages with financial costs to be bore
when not met. A class action suit for not providing contracted
services.
As things are the grid is a bit like the commons in a
capitalistic society.
A few months past I posted how the Democrats angered me when they
defeated an oil exploration and utilities bill that had passed
the House. This bill called for a postage stamp size oil field in
the middle of nowhere in Alaska. If you owned a ten-acre parcel
of land, this oil field would be equivalent to sticking a
toothpick in a single blade of grass on that ten-acre parcel.
You see. Destroy the commons is the capitalistic answer.
How many toothpicks must the nation endure? What percentage of the
orginal oil supply does this small portion of the nation represent?
Modernization of the energy system doesn't depend upon drilling in
ANWR. It isn't fair to complain about a senator for failing to vote
for something that is a rider on a bad package. (leave aside that
the energy companies should be updating and passing the costs along
to their customers rather than require the nation as a whole to pay
for it.)
The main item contained in this bill voted down by Dashole called for
a complete reworking of our utility services program, including new
power plants, new transmission lines, and a host of other additions
that according to the past two Energy Secretaries, we desperately
needed.
Is that why BushCo included the unpopular and boneheaded drilling ANWR
scheme with the power grid upgrades? Why not present them as seperate
bills? Because the upgrade would have happened and BushCo and friends
wouldn't get to drill in the wilderness. Don't bore me with how
necessary the oil from Alaska is. We all know that we would save MORE
oil than will come out of ANWR if we increase fuel economy by a very
attainable fraction. Perhaps we would save as much if we limited
Snowmobiling in Yellowstone. Oh thats right that would be un American
now wouldn't it.... C'mon FayReneBabsWalker you don't think America is
that stupid do you, or maybe you do?
Dashole and Hillary and their friends rip the house bill. They could have
left in the part about reworking of our utility services program, including
new power plants, new transmission lines. Why didn't they leave this part?
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| User: "Frank" |
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17 Aug 2003 08:39:21 AM |
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(Don W. McCollough) wrote in message news:<67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com>...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying
to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
The "Regulations" that were "deregulated" beginning under REPUBLICAN
control were specifically these: mandated profit margins, mandated
routine infrastructure repairs, and entirely prohibited political
contributions from utilities. Sounds pretty reasonable now, doesn't
it! Unchecked Market forces are very often destructive. Regulations
were not there to hurt people, but to keep people from being hurt by
greedy manipulating thieves, like the powers that be today.....
bastards..... The lying theiving bastards are really contributing big
time to their Theif Executive now, because they know the only way the
Big ***** is gonna keep the oval office is through the power of
payolla. I pray that a majority will see through what is gonna be an
endless season of expensive attack ads from the "Political fRight".
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| User: "Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" |
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17 Aug 2003 06:29:11 AM |
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Sid9 wrote:
Can't you read?
It was a loan guarantee.
That's not the same as pissing away $1 billion a week in Iraq.
Sid, serious question (and no I'm not trying to hound you, randomly
clicked this message, anyway...) Aren't you one of the people
complaining about the energy companies (or specific ones) @$$ raping the
consumer and walking away? Why then, are you seemingly in favor of
government loans to energy companies not handling their business?
Look at Amtrak, 30 years of loans hasn't made the company run wiser,
it's turned them into one of the worst welfare case rejects the nation
has ever seen. Instead of running the company as if they were actually
limitd in funds, they bought the most expensive up to date trains
without enough customers to justify their existence... this was just in
the last few years. All these loans do is encourage companies not to
make their ends meet... why bother if uncle Sam is going to help you out
and you get to do it at the taxpayer's expense?
These kind of policies is why we have Ken Lays walking around... all
the free money attracts them lick cockroaches.
TT
"But a Democratic proposal in June 2001 to offer $350 million in
federal loans and loan guarantees to improve power transmission
systems was defeated by Bush's allies in the House."
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"Don W. McCollough" <letters@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying
to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
--
Anti-Bush shirts! Check it out!
"Bush & Cheney 2003 - For prison b*****" (censored version)
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| Title: Re: House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01 |
17 Aug 2003 08:39:02 AM |
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"Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3F6825.7B766445@sprintmail.com...
Sid9 wrote:
Can't you read?
It was a loan guarantee.
That's not the same as pissing away $1 billion a week in Iraq.
Sid, serious question (and no I'm not trying to hound you, randomly
clicked this message, anyway...) Aren't you one of the people
complaining about the energy companies (or specific ones) @$$ raping the
consumer and walking away? Why then, are you seemingly in favor of
government loans to energy companies not handling their business?
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No. To question 1
Yes. To LOANS...because intersystem and interstate transmission lines are
not a primary concern of electric companies. They are a national problem
that requires federal intervention as demonstrated by failures of the
current system. These problems are a national security problem.
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Look at Amtrak, 30 years of loans hasn't made the company run wiser,
it's turned them into one of the worst welfare case rejects the nation
has ever seen. Instead of running the company as if they were actually
limitd in funds, they bought the most expensive up to date trains
without enough customers to justify their existence... this was just in
the last few years. All these loans do is encourage companies not to
make their ends meet... why bother if uncle Sam is going to help you out
and you get to do it at the taxpayer's expense?
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I've always favored shutting down subsidies to AMTRAK.
I favor delicensing taxis and shutting down money losing municipal bus
systems.
I favor allowing "jitney" type entrepeneurs to take over most public
transportation.
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These kind of policies is why we have Ken Lays walking around... all
the free money attracts them lick cockroaches.
TT
"But a Democratic proposal in June 2001 to offer $350 million in
federal loans and loan guarantees to improve power transmission
systems was defeated by Bush's allies in the House."
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"Don W. McCollough" <letters@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:67468b.0308170137.2ae0fdb5@posting.google.com...
The very notion that the grid needed federal money to "improve the
grid" is deplorable. The taxpayers pay thier taxes as well as their
*power bills*. That's such an extremely profitable business that it
in no way needs subsidizing. Multi billion dollar corporations crying
to the federal government for a handout is a joke.
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| User: "Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" |
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| Title: Re: House GOP rejected bill on improving grid in '01 |
17 Aug 2003 11:22:06 PM |
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Sid9 wrote:
"Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" <redkrewe@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3F6825.7B766445@sprintmail.com...
Sid9 wrote:
Can't you read?
It was a loan guarantee.
That's not the same as pissing away $1 billion a week in Iraq.
Sid, serious question (and no I'm not trying to hound you, randomly
clicked this message, anyway...) Aren't you one of the people
complaining about the energy companies (or specific ones) @$$ raping the
consumer and walking away? Why then, are you seemingly in favor of
government loans to energy companies not handling their business?
=========================================================
No. To question 1
Yes. To LOANS...because intersystem and interstate transmission lines are
not a primary concern of electric companies. They are a national problem
that requires federal intervention as demonstrated by failures of the
current system. These problems are a national security problem.
Well there are some choices that are open here.
For instance, what about letting the industry deal with private loans?
If the system is a national imperative... should the federal government
run the entire thing or perhaps just the portion that deals directly
with the government run essentials? Perhaps the government should get
into generating it's own power and getting off the private system? That
I could agree to, it takes care of the true essentials without delving
into market controls.
My main problem with the government loaning money, is it's making the
taxpayers an unwilling investor in a business that has no guarantee it
will return the money, Amtrak being a prime example.
I've always favored shutting down subsidies to AMTRAK.
Glad to hear it.
I favor delicensing taxis and shutting down money losing municipal bus
systems.
Good, good.
I favor allowing "jitney" type entrepeneurs to take over most public
transportation.
Didn't know about the group, thanks for the heads up.
http://www.hamptonjitney.com/
TT
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