Politics > Politics-USA > Houston top cop who called for spy cameras in homes - "if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?"
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Houston top cop who called for spy cameras in homes - "if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" |
Yeah sure - we can trust the cops.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS07/602160602/1009
Cameras for Houston homes, streets sought
February 16, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS
HOUSTON -- Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt has proposed placing
surveillance cameras on downtown streets and in apartment complexes,
shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage
of police officers.
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Houston is facing a police shortage because of retirements and too few
recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are
filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City
Council is considering a public-safety tax to pay for more officers.
Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner needs
repeated police response, it's reasonable to require surveillance of
the property, he said.
Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police
Accountability Project in Texas, called the proposal "radical and
extreme," saying it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections
against unreasonable searches.
Andy Teas of the Houston Apartment Association said some would
consider cameras an invasion of privacy, but "I think a lot of people
would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."
Such cameras are costly, Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other
hand, we spend an awful lot for patrol presence."
The program would need City Council approval.
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21 Feb 2006 02:36:09 PM |
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"If a homeowner needs repeated police response, it's reasonable to
require surveillance of the property."
"Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras."
"I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes
looking out for them."
-Houston Police Chief
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand
therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the
breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation
of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith,
wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" (Eph. 6.11-17)
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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23 Feb 2006 12:42:22 AM |
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wrote:
"If a homeowner needs repeated police response, it's reasonable to
require surveillance of the property."
"Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras."
"I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes
looking out for them."
-Houston Police Chief
The first quote makes some sense but not the other two. Problem with
police surveillance is simply that cops can't be trusted. They are all
nazis who want to control the public not help them.
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23 Feb 2006 07:53:46 AM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Problem with
police surveillance is simply that cops can't be trusted. They are all
nazis who want to control the public not help them.
While such cops certainly exist, you're slamming them all for the
sins of a few. How many cops do you actually know? Have you ever
worked with any?
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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| Title: Re: Houston top cop who called for spy cameras in homes - "if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" |
23 Feb 2006 07:28:35 AM |
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On 22 Feb 2006 22:42:22 -0800, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
dallas_dogs@yahoo.com wrote:
"If a homeowner needs repeated police response, it's reasonable to
require surveillance of the property."
"Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras."
"I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes
looking out for them."
-Houston Police Chief
The first quote makes some sense but not the other two. Problem with
police surveillance is simply that cops can't be trusted. They are all
nazis who want to control the public not help them.
I'm sure Big Brother has dutifully recorded
your lack of faith. For SHAME ... ! :-)
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| User: "Mens sana" |
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| Title: Re: Houston top cop who called for spy cameras in homes - "if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" |
20 Feb 2006 08:31:15 AM |
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"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45hiv151bun9iip782c10n6soj2k6b7u4f@4ax.com...
Yeah sure - we can trust the cops.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS07/602160602/1009
Cameras for Houston homes, streets sought
February 16, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS
HOUSTON -- Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt has proposed placing
surveillance cameras on downtown streets and in apartment complexes,
shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage
of police officers.
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Houston is facing a police shortage because of retirements and too few
recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are
filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City
Council is considering a public-safety tax to pay for more officers.
Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner needs
repeated police response, it's reasonable to require surveillance of
the property, he said.
Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police
Accountability Project in Texas, called the proposal "radical and
extreme," saying it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections
against unreasonable searches.
Andy Teas of the Houston Apartment Association said some would
consider cameras an invasion of privacy, but "I think a lot of people
would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."
Such cameras are costly, Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other
hand, we spend an awful lot for patrol presence."
The program would need City Council approval.
It is after all only a tiny step away from warrantless monitoring of one's
phone calls and emails. A logical progression as it were.
Mens sana.
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| User: "Trace" |
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20 Feb 2006 02:48:00 PM |
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It is after all only a tiny step away from warrantless monitoring of
one's
phone calls and emails. A logical progression as it were.
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Sure, and Americans are becoming the large herd of blind sheep, so why
not propose tracking every move they make?
Imgaine this:
1.States and other countries are already wanting to track all vehicular
movements.
2. The NSA is listening to all phone traffic, emails, etc.
3. Millions of law enforcement cams around the country exist already.
4. Now law enforcement / the intelligence agencies want cams in your
home.
How long until your tagged and they watch ever step you take by
tracking you via GPS?
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| User: "Taylor" |
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20 Feb 2006 09:14:04 AM |
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"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45hiv151bun9iip782c10n6soj2k6b7u4f@4ax.com...
Yeah sure - we can trust the cops.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS07/602160602/1009
Cameras for Houston homes, streets sought
February 16, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS
HOUSTON -- Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt has proposed placing
surveillance cameras on downtown streets and in apartment complexes,
shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage
of police officers.
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Houston is facing a police shortage because of retirements and too few
recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are
filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City
Council is considering a public-safety tax to pay for more officers.
Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner needs
repeated police response, it's reasonable to require surveillance of
the property, he said.
Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police
Accountability Project in Texas, called the proposal "radical and
extreme," saying it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections
against unreasonable searches.
Andy Teas of the Houston Apartment Association said some would
consider cameras an invasion of privacy, but "I think a lot of people
would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."
Such cameras are costly, Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other
hand, we spend an awful lot for patrol presence."
The program would need City Council approval.
He didn't say in homes, and he did not say it would be mandatory. He means
if one wants to put a camera on their house, the cops will monitor it for
you, much like private security companies.
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| User: "Thomas" |
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20 Feb 2006 09:51:29 AM |
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45hiv151bun9iip782c10n6soj2k6b7u4f@4ax.com...
Yeah sure - we can trust the cops.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS07/602160602/1009
Cameras for Houston homes, streets sought
February 16, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS
HOUSTON -- Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt has proposed placing
surveillance cameras on downtown streets and in apartment complexes,
shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage
of police officers.
i think he did say "private homes"
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Houston is facing a police shortage because of retirements and too few
recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are
filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City
Council is considering a public-safety tax to pay for more officers.
Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner needs
repeated police response, it's reasonable to require surveillance of
the property, he said.
Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police
Accountability Project in Texas, called the proposal "radical and
extreme," saying it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections
against unreasonable searches.
Andy Teas of the Houston Apartment Association said some would
consider cameras an invasion of privacy, but "I think a lot of people
would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."
Such cameras are costly, Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other
hand, we spend an awful lot for patrol presence."
The program would need City Council approval.
He didn't say in homes, and he did not say it would be mandatory. He
means if one wants to put a camera on their house, the cops will monitor
it for you, much like private security companies.
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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20 Feb 2006 10:27:23 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:14:04 GMT, "Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote:
He didn't say in homes, and he did not say it would be mandatory. He means
if one wants to put a camera on their house, the cops will monitor it for
you, much like private security companies.
URANIDIOT. The volunteers will be paid handsomely by the city to have
the cameras installed and then the media will be paid handsomely to
talk about how wonderful it's working and then it will become
mandatory.
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| User: "Captain America" |
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19 Feb 2006 11:41:32 PM |
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Hahaha, his wife is a ***** and he just wants to keep tabs on where she
goes.
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| User: "Scotius" |
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22 Feb 2006 07:10:02 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:28:44 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah sure - we can trust the cops.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS07/602160602/1009
Cameras for Houston homes, streets sought
February 16, 2006 ASSOCIATED PRESS
HOUSTON -- Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt has proposed placing
surveillance cameras on downtown streets and in apartment complexes,
Hang him. There. I've said it. Hang the *****. I've
advocated killing a police chief. Report me. I fucking dare anyone to
try to do anything about it.
shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage
of police officers.
Forget hanging, just get him however you can. Kill enough of
his kind and the rest will shut their mouths.
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Fine. We can have cameras in his house than to see that he's
not making any deals he shouldn't be, because if he's not doing
anything wrong, he shouldn't worry about it? No. Why not? Because
that's not good enough. It's not enough for us to be able to put the
screws to him too; the only thing that is enough is to make these
stupid f**ks acknowledge that they have no right to do what they're
proposing, and the way to do that is to push them from power.
Houston is facing a police shortage because of retirements and too few
recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are
filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City
Council is considering a public-safety tax to pay for more officers.
Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to
install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner needs
repeated police response, it's reasonable to require surveillance of
the property, he said.
Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police
Accountability Project in Texas, called the proposal "radical and
extreme," saying it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections
against unreasonable searches.
Andy Teas of the Houston Apartment Association said some would
consider cameras an invasion of privacy, but "I think a lot of people
would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."
Such cameras are costly, Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other
hand, we spend an awful lot for patrol presence."
The program would need City Council approval.
Not if you start hanging the people who suggest it, because
the rest will then get the message.
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| User: "Trace" |
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19 Feb 2006 10:57:22 PM |
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What BS! REMOVE that top cop before its too late!
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20 Feb 2006 09:22:27 AM |
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Why are you so worried about cameras on the street, but happily tell
the feds every detail of your personal life on April 15th? If you get
a detail wrong, the IRS can take everything you own away from you. How
decides if the IRS has gone too far? Why, the IRS.
If you're worried about losing your freedom, don't. The Democrats
stole that decades ago.
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| User: "Scotius" |
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21 Feb 2006 03:16:18 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2006 07:22:27 -0800, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
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Why are you so worried about cameras on the street, but happily tell
the feds every detail of your personal life on April 15th? If you get
a detail wrong, the IRS can take everything you own away from you. How
decides if the IRS has gone too far? Why, the IRS.
That's why when they show up, you shoot them.
If you're worried about losing your freedom, don't. The Democrats
stole that decades ago.
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| User: "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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20 Feb 2006 10:39:25 AM |
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On 20 Feb 2006 07:22:27 -0800, "bvallely@aol.com" <bvallely@aol.com>
wrote:
Why are you so worried about cameras on the street, but happily tell
the feds every detail of your personal life on April 15th? If you get
a detail wrong, the IRS can take everything you own away from you. How
decides if the IRS has gone too far? Why, the IRS.
If you're worried about losing your freedom, don't. The Democrats
stole that decades ago.
Both parties are equally traitorous. Don't vote. Democracy is a hoax.
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19 Feb 2006 10:39:49 PM |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
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21 Feb 2006 12:02:05 PM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
Was... before Alito. Roberts, and the right-packed court will legislate that
change.
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Ever wonder why we can't have a Supreme Court balanced about the center,
instead of 7 conservative appointees?
Because the American voter wants government to fix their problems, and get
government out of their lives. No, it doesn't make sense.
And because the problems are not their fault, so the conservatives need
to take over - Even though the conservatives have been in power since
1980 - Clinton included. No, that doesn't make any sense either, since they
have been in power for 25 years.
It's those ten liberals left in government that are causing all the
problems - the majority the Republicans have had in Congress for the past 12
years, the conservatives appointed to the court for the past 25 years, and
the steady run of conservative Presidents we have had for the past 25
years - the conservatives just need a chance to get their programs in. No,
that doesn't make any sense either, but the conservatives keep saying it
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19 Feb 2006 11:23:06 PM |
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
Depends. If the person is a convicted felon it can be made a condition of
his parol.
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20 Feb 2006 02:55:30 PM |
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911 wrote:
<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1140410389.204053.16570@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
Depends. If the person is a convicted felon it can be made a condition of
his parol.
I'm not exactly sure what "parol" is but, once again, the "family
values" party totally fails to factor in the impact their policies have
on the families of their intended targets.
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20 Feb 2006 04:47:15 PM |
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I'm not exactly sure what "parol" is but, once again, the "family
values" party totally fails to factor in the impact their policies have
on the families of their intended targets.
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Either we are sheep, and government is using 9/11 as an excuse to gain
the power its always wanted, or 9/11 was planned and used to fool the
entire western world and thus advance the powers governments have
always wanted but couldn't have due to constitutional rights getting in
the way. Other countries have documents listing their rights as well.
They may call those documents different names. And, here, we've had
this concept that our rights are inalienable, that is, none removeable,
but as we have seen, all that takes is a little terrorism, and poof go
the rights. Of course, you may not know they are missing until you
discover that your ever word is being monitored and your ever movement
outside your home tracked in some way. Soon, inside your home as well.
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20 Feb 2006 01:16:10 AM |
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wrote in
news:1140410389.204053.16570@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother,
but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything
wrong, why should you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
His house and car, office and police cruiser should be wired
with cameras so that whichever camera he is in front of becomes
active. Then he should have his own cable channel.
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From: (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Pray for DeLay "suicide" 9/28/05
"Wouldn't it KICK *****! if he were found face down
in his corn flakes in the morning, a victim of
another bizarre Republican "suicide?""
"Sweet baby Jesus, I'd throw a fucking party in
the nearest park and put up signs giving thanks
to Jesus."
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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19 Feb 2006 10:54:22 PM |
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wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my
response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should
you worry about it?" he said Wednesday.
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
They'd probably make it voluntary at the start so the constitutional
issue wouldn't arise. After a few years they'd pay the media to lie
about how well it's working and then it would become mandatory, the
constitution be damned.
But the real issue here is that cops are all corrupt and can't be
trusted. Cameras everywhere will just make it that much easier to
frame innocent people
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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20 Feb 2006 01:19:02 AM |
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"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com>
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news:1140411262.881406.56990@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Umm.. because it's constitutionally prohibited.. maybe.
They'd probably make it voluntary at the start so the
constitutional issue wouldn't arise. After a few years
they'd pay the media to lie about how well it's working and
then it would become mandatory, the constitution be damned.
Oh please! The government would never be so underhanded.
Okay, they did it with withholding taxes (which were also
temporary), but I'll bet you can't name another hundred
examples!
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From: (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Pray for DeLay "suicide" 9/28/05
"Wouldn't it KICK *****! if he were found face down
in his corn flakes in the morning, a victim of
another bizarre Republican "suicide?""
"Sweet baby Jesus, I'd throw a fucking party in
the nearest park and put up signs giving thanks
to Jesus."
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