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27 Mar 2006 01:10:20 PM |
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How do we fix this government? |
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving its
government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush, Cheney,
and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Bush tells us how it is. He sends us to war and we have no say in the
matter. He tells us we are going to stay at war, and we have no say in
the matter. He allows our corporations to send jobs overseas and we
have no say about it. He lowers the tax on the wealthy, which will
result in the middle class having to pay more, and we have no say in
the matter.
It seems to me that our government is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or dictatorship than a democracy. The king
is bush, the nobles are the senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
So, we have a situation. I imagine it's not unique. I really wonder
if in the entire history of man, there has been one moment, where
people weren't enslaved. Where the government served its people and
not the other way around.
Assuming that it can be fixed though. What has to be done? Certainly
electing a democrat won't automatically change things. Clinton wasn't
snow white. He helped to send thousands of our jobs overseas via free
trade deals. Hillary will no doubt do the same.
So, does anyone have any ideas?
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 03:35:26 PM |
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() wrote in
news:1143486620.045320.108460@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving
its government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush,
Cheney, and many others control us. They do not serve us.
But that's exactly the way people want it, isn't it?
They want the government to regulate the economy. They want the
government to run the schools. They want the government to run the
health care system.
What other outcome did you expect?
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 03:49:21 PM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
bill_smith_701@yahoo.com () wrote in
news:1143486620.045320.108460@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving
its government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush,
Cheney, and many others control us. They do not serve us.
But that's exactly the way people want it, isn't it?
They want the government to regulate the economy. They want the
government to run the schools. They want the government to run the
health care system.
What other outcome did you expect?
Wrong.
We no longer have representative government in our country.
I'm sure there are more examples than the two I describe below.
Example:
In the state of Florida there
are 4.4 million registered
Democrats and 3.8 million
registered Republicans,
yet the state legislature has
85 Republicans and 35 Democrats.
The same occurred in Texas
when Tom DeLay got the
Texas state legislature to
legally, yet unfairly, redistrict
Texas to insure more Texas
congrssional seats for the
Republicans.
Because computer databases
can provide accurate information
about voting and voter registration
gerrymandering has become a fine art.
This "fine art" has stolen the people's
right to fair representation.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 01:20:57 PM |
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wrote:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving
its government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush,
Cheney, and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Bush tells us how it is. He sends us to war and we have no say in the
matter. He tells us we are going to stay at war, and we have no say
in the matter. He allows our corporations to send jobs overseas and
we have no say about it. He lowers the tax on the wealthy, which will
result in the middle class having to pay more, and we have no say in
the matter.
It seems to me that our government is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or dictatorship than a democracy. The king
is bush, the nobles are the senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
So, we have a situation. I imagine it's not unique. I really wonder
if in the entire history of man, there has been one moment, where
people weren't enslaved. Where the government served its people and
not the other way around.
Assuming that it can be fixed though. What has to be done? Certainly
electing a democrat won't automatically change things. Clinton wasn't
snow white. He helped to send thousands of our jobs overseas via free
trade deals. Hillary will no doubt do the same.
So, does anyone have any ideas?
The only way you can show your displeasure
about the current Republican administration
is to work for and support Democrats.
Vote the "in's" out and "out's" in
You are not happy about the Democrats?
Then consider the lesser of two evils.
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| User: "20 Million Illegal Aliens" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 01:24:26 PM |
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"How do we fix this government?"
Elect a mojo, of course.
Oh, nevermind, he ain't workin' either.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 05:35:01 PM |
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we kill this government is how we fix it. kill it and rebuild it from the
ground up.
first ting we must do is to hunt down and kill every fucking republicscum on
this planet
death to republicans
save america, kill the united states government
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| User: "Nog" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 01:26:44 PM |
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wrote:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving its
government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush, Cheney,
and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Bush tells us how it is. He sends us to war and we have no say in the
matter. He tells us we are going to stay at war, and we have no say in
the matter. He allows our corporations to send jobs overseas and we
have no say about it. He lowers the tax on the wealthy, which will
result in the middle class having to pay more, and we have no say in
the matter.
It seems to me that our government is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or dictatorship than a democracy. The king
is bush, the nobles are the senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
So, we have a situation. I imagine it's not unique. I really wonder
if in the entire history of man, there has been one moment, where
people weren't enslaved. Where the government served its people and
not the other way around.
Assuming that it can be fixed though. What has to be done? Certainly
electing a democrat won't automatically change things. Clinton wasn't
snow white. He helped to send thousands of our jobs overseas via free
trade deals. Hillary will no doubt do the same.
So, does anyone have any ideas?
Let the illegal aliens run it. They'll do it for 10 cents on the dollar.
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| User: "Raymond" |
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27 Mar 2006 03:08:15 PM |
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It seems to me that our government >is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or >dictatorship than a democracy.
".... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and
organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely
to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate
that Governments long established should not be changed for light and
transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that
mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to
right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably
the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The king is Bush, the nobles are the >senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
Can we have a repeat of the death of Louis XVI of France and his royal
friends?
The path leading to the scaffold was extremely rough and difficult to
pass; the King was obliged to lean on my arm, and from the slowness
with which he proceeded, I feared for a moment that his courage might
fail; but what was my astonishment, when arrived at the last step, I
felt that he suddenly let go my arm, and I saw him cross with a firm
foot the breadth of the whole scaffold; silence, by his look alone,
fifteen or twenty drums that were placed opposite to me; and in a voice
so loud, that it must have been heard it the Pont Tournant, I heard him
pronounce distinctly these memorable words: 'I die innocent of all the
crimes laid to my charge; I Pardon those who have occasioned my death;
and I pray to God that the blood you are going to shed may never be
visited on France.'
He was proceeding, when a man on horseback, in the national uniform,
and with a ferocious cry, ordered the drums to beat. Many voices were
at the same time heard encouraging the executioners. They seemed
reanimated themselves, in seizing with violence the most virtuous of
Kings, they dragged him under the axe of the guillotine, which with one
stroke severed his head from his body. All this passed in a moment. The
youngest of the guards, who seemed about eighteen, immediately seized
the head, and showed it to the people as he walked round the scaffold;
he accompanied this monstrous ceremony with the most atrocious and
indecent gestures. At first an awful silence prevailed; at length some
cries of 'Vive la Republique!' were heard. By degrees the voices
multiplied and in less than ten minutes this cry, a thousand times
repeated became the universal shout of the multitude, and every hat was
in the air."
References:
Cronin, Vincent, Louis and Antoinete (1975); Edgeworth, Henry in
Thompson, J.M., English Witnesses of the French Revolution (1938,
Memoirs originally published 1815).
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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27 Mar 2006 02:40:04 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2006 11:10:20 -0800, wrote:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving its
government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush, Cheney,
and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Bush tells us how it is. He sends us to war and we have no say in the
matter.
Sure you do...through your Congressman & Senators.
He tells us we are going to stay at war, and we have no say in
the matter.
See above.
He allows our corporations to send jobs overseas and we
have no say about it.
The government doesn't control who corporations hire aside
from when they forced affirmative action.
Why should YOU be allowed to tell a corporation what to do
unless you are a stockholder?
He lowers the tax on the wealthy, which will
result in the middle class having to pay more, and we have no say in
the matter.
Correction: He lowered taxes for ALL taxpayers.
It seems to me that our government is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or dictatorship than a democracy.
You mean we won't be having any more elections?
The king
is bush, the nobles are the senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
So, we have a situation. I imagine it's not unique. I really wonder
if in the entire history of man, there has been one moment, where
people weren't enslaved. Where the government served its people and
not the other way around.
Assuming that it can be fixed though. What has to be done? Certainly
electing a democrat won't automatically change things. Clinton wasn't
snow white. He helped to send thousands of our jobs overseas via free
trade deals. Hillary will no doubt do the same.
So, does anyone have any ideas?
Yes. Get an education.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How do we fix this government? |
27 Mar 2006 03:32:56 PM |
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Sure you do...through your Congressman & Senators.
I don't think so jimpgh. It seems to me special interest groups
control them.
You and I have very little to say about it. Unless of course, you are
part of the special interest groups. I doubt it though. I think you
just trust your government, which is admirable, but I think your trust
is misplaced.
Why should YOU be allowed to tell a corporation what to do unless you are a stockholder?
We constantly have to tell corporations what to do and enforce those
rules with fines. We have to do this because it's been proven time and
again that corporations do not care about anything other than the
bottom line. One example should be enough to prove this: Children
chained to machines on the assembly line before the days of FDR and our
fair wage laws.
Correction: He lowered taxes for ALL taxpayers.
How many times have we heard that the lowering of taxes mostly
benefited the rich?
The correction you posted seems petty / trivial
You mean we won't be having any more elections?
Actually, that is precisely what it seems like. Those elections seem
to be nothing more than a rigid game. Either way you vote, you just
get a special interest puppet.
Yes. Get an education.
I'm not going to retaliate with an insult. It's beneath both of us
really.
I don't know why you felt the need to insult. Probably out of
frustration.
I'm certainly guilty of it, but fortunately don't feel the need to
attack back this time.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I know we disagree, but at
least I understand better why.
I really think your trust in the government is hugely misplaced.
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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27 Mar 2006 03:21:18 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2006 11:10:20 -0800, wrote:
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving its
government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush, Cheney,
and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Why did you stop with the current administration ? The People
as the servants of the State goes ALL the way back ...
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| User: "hob" |
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27 Mar 2006 03:14:51 PM |
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checks and balances --
democrat congress, republican president
Only then will they screw each other and suck up to the voters, instead of
using the tax coffers as the one controlling party's private candy store...
and if a man deserves to be impeached for ignoring the duly elected Congress
and the Constitution, then by God impeach him.
The next President will then tread lightly and know his proper place.
<bill_smith_701@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143486620.045320.108460@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
The government should be serving its people, not the people serving its
government. Yet, that is exactly what we have today. Bush, Cheney,
and many others control us. They do not serve us.
Bush tells us how it is. He sends us to war and we have no say in the
matter. He tells us we are going to stay at war, and we have no say in
the matter. He allows our corporations to send jobs overseas and we
have no say about it. He lowers the tax on the wealthy, which will
result in the middle class having to pay more, and we have no say in
the matter.
It seems to me that our government is completely out of control. It's
much more like a monarchy or dictatorship than a democracy. The king
is bush, the nobles are the senators, and the wealthy barons are
basically the CEOs.
So, we have a situation. I imagine it's not unique. I really wonder
if in the entire history of man, there has been one moment, where
people weren't enslaved. Where the government served its people and
not the other way around.
Assuming that it can be fixed though. What has to be done? Certainly
electing a democrat won't automatically change things. Clinton wasn't
snow white. He helped to send thousands of our jobs overseas via free
trade deals. Hillary will no doubt do the same.
So, does anyone have any ideas?
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