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User: "If I told U Id have 2 kill U"
Date: 13 Jul 2004 01:23:33 AM
Object: How does the truth stay buried?
How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?
http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm
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User: "Jeremiah"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 02:04:49 AM
"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm

Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies. Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade between
Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1
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User: "Norma"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 02:32:55 AM
"Jeremiah" <jpatokaREMOVE-THIS@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm



Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies. Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade between
Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1

Jeeremiah,
It is good to see your posts. I haven't seen them until recently again.
It's a pleasure to read them. Quite the dilemma you are explaining, eh?
Norma
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User: "Qinff"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 03:09:49 AM
*****!
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User: "Winston §mith"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 10:01:13 PM
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:32:55 -0600, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net>
wrote:


"Jeremiah" <jpatokaREMOVE-THIS@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com...

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm



Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies. Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade between
Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1


Jeeremiah,

Thor Heyerdahl promoted the idea of Egypt-South America commerce
decades ago.
I can't give you a cite, but I remember reading that a Roman ship was
found in S. American waters.
--
W§ mostly in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
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User: "free"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 02:09:45 PM
Jeremiah wrote:

"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com...

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm




Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies.

Oh, come on old chap, can't a nineteen century englishman
have a quickie in the tome.

Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade between
Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1


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User: "North"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 07:00:08 AM
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:04:49 GMT, "Jeremiah"
<jpatokaREMOVE-THIS@austin.rr.com> said:


"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com...

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm



Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies. Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade between
Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1

Sometimes I Vol. to help with local digs with JMUs archeology dept.
and I must say the a lot of archeologists are in fact rethinking the
whole Africa/ S. America trade idea. I will be the first to say that
this is a slow process, when someone comes up with a theory, they
spend their lives trying to prove their theory, no matter how wrong
thay are, and thats why so many archeologists are so stubborn in
accepting new ideas (no matter what the evidence suggests).
Just look at how long it took them to accept the fact that the
Vikings were in N. America long before Columbus set foot here. Look at
the numbers who still disbelieve this fact disspite all the evidence.
n.
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User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 01:07:51 PM
"North" <northmt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:04:49 GMT, "Jeremiah"
<jpatokaREMOVE-THIS@austin.rr.com> said:


"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com...

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm



Not sure about all this, but another potentially related problem in
archeology is how to explain the presence of cocaine and nicotine in some
Egyptian mummies. Coca comes from South America, and at the time,
anthropologists and archeologists maintain that there was no trade

between

Africa and South America.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cocaine+egyptian&spell=1


Sometimes I Vol. to help with local digs with JMUs archeology dept.
and I must say the a lot of archeologists are in fact rethinking the
whole Africa/ S. America trade idea. I will be the first to say that
this is a slow process, when someone comes up with a theory, they
spend their lives trying to prove their theory, no matter how wrong
thay are, and thats why so many archeologists are so stubborn in
accepting new ideas (no matter what the evidence suggests).

Just look at how long it took them to accept the fact that the
Vikings were in N. America long before Columbus set foot here. Look at
the numbers who still disbelieve this fact disspite all the evidence.

n.

Exxxxactly North - you hit it right on the money. Well said. I wasn't going
to bother writing anything, but you did well. Not that it's going to help
the true believers :)
Greg - who used to be an Archaelogist II when working on fed lands.
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User: "cLIeNUX user"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 02:11:40 AM

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm

Because the site screams "crackpot" so loud I didn't bother clicking on
"articles".
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party
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User: "If I told U Id have 2 kill U"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 02:16:22 PM
r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote in message news:<10f72pc1nncf371@corp.supernews.com>...

humbubba@smart.net

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm


Because the site screams "crackpot" so loud I didn't bother clicking on
"articles".


Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party

This is especially emblematic of the problem.
People with no brains and no time to tune them up dissmiss out of hand
something that has taken years of research, thousands of hours to
produce the website and other materials,, and thousands of dollars to
produce.
And the payoff is?
No wonder America is so dumbed down.
.
User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:43:16 AM
"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote in message

news:<10f72pc1nncf371@corp.supernews.com>...

humbubba@smart.net

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm


Because the site screams "crackpot" so loud I didn't bother clicking on
"articles".


Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party


This is especially emblematic of the problem.
People with no brains and no time to tune them up dissmiss out of hand
something that has taken years of research, thousands of hours to
produce the website and other materials,, and thousands of dollars to
produce.
And the payoff is?
No wonder America is so dumbed down.

Oh give me a break...dumbed down...yeah, right.
Can you say gullible?
Let's see who's dumbed down...a few choice excerpts from that wonderful site
"Upon finding the location again, he entered the cavern system and looted it
to the tune of untold billions of dollars. The entrance was then filled in
by the perpetrator of vicious crimes to cover up his misdeeds and hide the
bodies of people he murdered in the early 1990's. "
But you know what? After trying to wade through the rest of that site, I
find that I really don't want to waste my time. I've got better things to
do.
So - have fun with it - hope you learn something from it. But I doubt you
will. But who knows, maybe this will be the initial thrust that'll get you
into some real archaeology - look up local schools and local archaeological
societies. Hope that's where it leads you - to using your brain, and not
falling for crap on the web.
Greg
PS - Rick, you're right.
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User: "cLIeNUX user"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:49:31 AM


"If I told U I'd have 2 kill U" <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote in message

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How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm


Because the site screams "crackpot" so loud I didn't bother clicking on
"articles".


Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party


This is especially emblematic of the problem.
People with no brains and no time to tune them up dissmiss out of hand
something that has taken years of research, thousands of hours to
produce the website and other materials,, and thousands of dollars to
produce.
And the payoff is?
No wonder America is so dumbed down.


Oh give me a break...dumbed down...yeah, right.

Can you say gullible?

Let's see who's dumbed down...a few choice excerpts from that wonderful site

"Upon finding the location again, he entered the cavern system and looted it
to the tune of untold billions of dollars. The entrance was then filled in
by the perpetrator of vicious crimes to cover up his misdeeds and hide the
bodies of people he murdered in the early 1990's. "


But you know what? After trying to wade through the rest of that site, I
find that I really don't want to waste my time. I've got better things to
do.

So - have fun with it - hope you learn something from it. But I doubt you
will. But who knows, maybe this will be the initial thrust that'll get you
into some real archaeology - look up local schools and local archaeological
societies. Hope that's where it leads you - to using your brain, and not
falling for crap on the web.

Greg

PS - Rick, you're right.

<New Jersey accent> Yeah, I'm uh... Mister Right. (as I adjust my truss.)
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party
.




User: "Mysterion"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 10:41:11 AM
By people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "La,la,la, I can't
hear you!"
.

User: "insurgent0001"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 08:14:19 AM
If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm

So what 'discovery' are we supposed to be looking at?
I think the biggest discovery that's being covered up is the possibility
that the pyramid blocks were cast. The romans discovered concrete, but
that discovery was lost for centuries. You don't need limestone for
concrete, other things can work if you know the formula, such as ash
including volcanic ash.
If you look at the interior walls of the pyramid, some are rough, but
some are very smooth. That shaft they used a robot to explore, some of
those walls look very smooth. It looks like it was cast like concrete! A
famous, amazing thing about the pyramids is that they are so evenly cut
you can't pass a sheet of paper between them. Doesn't that sound like
the blocks were cast?
The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who dominate
control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so long
insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place that
changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/
.
User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 01:18:49 PM
"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm


So what 'discovery' are we supposed to be looking at?

I think the biggest discovery that's being covered up is the possibility
that the pyramid blocks were cast. The romans discovered concrete, but
that discovery was lost for centuries. You don't need limestone for
concrete, other things can work if you know the formula, such as ash
including volcanic ash.

If you look at the interior walls of the pyramid, some are rough, but
some are very smooth. That shaft they used a robot to explore, some of
those walls look very smooth. It looks like it was cast like concrete! A
famous, amazing thing about the pyramids is that they are so evenly cut
you can't pass a sheet of paper between them. Doesn't that sound like
the blocks were cast?

The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who dominate
control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so long
insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place that
changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/

No, the reason all pyramid study ignores this is because the geologists and
archaeologists/anthros/egyptologists have already gone through and
determined the rock type, source quarries, probable transportation paths,
etc.
From what I remember (I'm not an Egyptologist) they were local limestones or
other sedimentaries. Which makes sense, local supplies, easier to cut,
relatively light.
If you think you can't cut rock finely enough that you can't shove a piece
of paper between two blocks, you haven't tried it yourself. It's not that
hard to do, and I'm sure if you did nothing else for a few months you'd get
pretty damned good at it.
It's fun to think about these things, and ghosts, bermuda triangle, bigfoot,
etc on and on ad infinitum, but you might try doing some research first
before you add to the noise ratio. Try American Antiquities, JoE, AAA
bulletins, etc. Hell, even Archaeology magazine will do for a start.
OK, off the podium now.
Greg
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User: "insurgent0001"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 03:22:46 PM
Greg <terra_tec@hotmail.com> wrote:

"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who dominate
control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so long
insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place that
changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/



No, the reason all pyramid study ignores this is because the geologists and
archaeologists/anthros/egyptologists have already gone through and
determined the rock type, source quarries, probable transportation paths,
etc.

Access to the Pyramids for study is very strictly controlled, even
obsessively so. Researchers who don't obey their rules can loose any
chance for access for 10+ years. It's like being blacklisted in that
field fo study. The reason for this isn't to physically protect the
pyramids, but to protect Pyramid teurism. They limit where researchers
can go and what they can do in detail. Journalists are also strictly
regulated. When Pyramid teurism drops down to next to nothing and stays
there for years, then we'll see major discoveries :o/

From what I remember (I'm not an Egyptologist) they were local limestones or
other sedimentaries. Which makes sense, local supplies, easier to cut,
relatively light.

If the materials were light the pyramid would not have lasted so long.
The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks. You think the entire pyramid was
constructed the exact same way? There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has been
rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.
.
User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:57:02 AM
"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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Greg <terra_tec@hotmail.com> wrote:

"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who

dominate

control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so

long

insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place that
changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/



No, the reason all pyramid study ignores this is because the geologists

and

archaeologists/anthros/egyptologists have already gone through and
determined the rock type, source quarries, probable transportation

paths,

etc.


Access to the Pyramids for study is very strictly controlled, even
obsessively so. Researchers who don't obey their rules can loose any
chance for access for 10+ years. It's like being blacklisted in that
field fo study. The reason for this isn't to physically protect the
pyramids, but to protect Pyramid teurism. They limit where researchers
can go and what they can do in detail. Journalists are also strictly
regulated. When Pyramid teurism drops down to next to nothing and stays
there for years, then we'll see major discoveries :o/

If you understood what has happened in the past, you'd understand the reason
for controls. And yes, Hawass does control it all with an iron fist.
I'll have to disagree somewhat with what you've said about not physically
protecting the pyramids - if you've seen some of the proposals for studies,
you'd understand that they would cause irreparable damage. Justifiable?
Maybe. But the basic problem in archaeology is that it's destructive, to a
large extent. We know that our techniques and technologies improve with
time, so we always, always need to leave as much as possible untouched.
Capped, entombed, whatever.


From what I remember (I'm not an Egyptologist) they were local

limestones or

other sedimentaries. Which makes sense, local supplies, easier to cut,
relatively light.


If the materials were light the pyramid would not have lasted so long.

Read the word "relatively". As in limestone is relatively lighter than
something harder and much more difficult to quarry, like any of the granites
or basalts.

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks.

Sure - they're probably not made the same way. Different keys, loadings and
designs. Stands to reason.
You think the entire pyramid was

constructed the exact same way? There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has been
rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.

Of course it's been "rewritten" many times - but would you mind telling me
why you think that anyone other than the original builders knows exactly why
and how they did things? The one great thing about historical data is that
it can be built on by successive generations - which means that the last
most recent one, contrary to your belief, is more likely than not closer to
the truth than the preceding accounts.
Until you've dealt with this stuff firsthand, talked with the folks that
deal with it, handled the artifacts, and put some years into it, there's no
way you can get a good handle on it. And sure as hell not from some web page
dealing with a cave with a lot of pseudo-artifacts.
Greg
.
User: "If I told U Id have 2 kill U"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 10:30:10 AM
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Greg <terra_tec@hotmail.com> wrote:

"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who

dominate

control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so

long

insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place that
changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/



No, the reason all pyramid study ignores this is because the geologists

and

archaeologists/anthros/egyptologists have already gone through and
determined the rock type, source quarries, probable transportation

paths,

etc.


Access to the Pyramids for study is very strictly controlled, even
obsessively so. Researchers who don't obey their rules can loose any
chance for access for 10+ years. It's like being blacklisted in that
field fo study. The reason for this isn't to physically protect the
pyramids, but to protect Pyramid teurism. They limit where researchers
can go and what they can do in detail. Journalists are also strictly
regulated. When Pyramid teurism drops down to next to nothing and stays
there for years, then we'll see major discoveries :o/


If you understood what has happened in the past, you'd understand the reason
for controls. And yes, Hawass does control it all with an iron fist.

I'll have to disagree somewhat with what you've said about not physically
protecting the pyramids - if you've seen some of the proposals for studies,
you'd understand that they would cause irreparable damage. Justifiable?
Maybe. But the basic problem in archaeology is that it's destructive, to a
large extent. We know that our techniques and technologies improve with
time, so we always, always need to leave as much as possible untouched.
Capped, entombed, whatever.



From what I remember (I'm not an Egyptologist) they were local

limestones or

other sedimentaries. Which makes sense, local supplies, easier to cut,
relatively light.


If the materials were light the pyramid would not have lasted so long.


Read the word "relatively". As in limestone is relatively lighter than
something harder and much more difficult to quarry, like any of the granites
or basalts.

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks.


Sure - they're probably not made the same way. Different keys, loadings and
designs. Stands to reason.

You think the entire pyramid was

constructed the exact same way? There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has been
rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.


Of course it's been "rewritten" many times - but would you mind telling me
why you think that anyone other than the original builders knows exactly why
and how they did things? The one great thing about historical data is that
it can be built on by successive generations - which means that the last
most recent one, contrary to your belief, is more likely than not closer to
the truth than the preceding accounts.

Until you've dealt with this stuff firsthand, talked with the folks that
deal with it, handled the artifacts, and put some years into it, there's no
way you can get a good handle on it. And sure as hell not from some web page
dealing with a cave with a lot of pseudo-artifacts.

Greg

Great piece of hypocritical double talk.
You say one thing must happen for one to have knowledge about an
archeological site and then proceed to dismiss out of hand EXACTLY
what someone else has done and published on a website which you say is
required.
Jesus, you are daft.
Perhaps you can explain how 2000 year old compressed volcanic silt
stones found only in Italy with Punic style artwork turned up in
Illinois by the thousands.
Then, try this on for size Mr. Wizard.
http://www.gizapower.com/
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User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:59:59 PM
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Greg <terra_tec@hotmail.com> wrote:

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If I told U I'd have 2 kill U <knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote:

The reason all pyramid study ignores this is because those who

dominate

control over who gets access to the pyramids for study have for so

long

insisted that the blocks were cut by hand and moved into place

that

changing their theories now would be the ruin of their careers :o/



No, the reason all pyramid study ignores this is because the

geologists

and

archaeologists/anthros/egyptologists have already gone through and
determined the rock type, source quarries, probable transportation

paths,

etc.


Access to the Pyramids for study is very strictly controlled, even
obsessively so. Researchers who don't obey their rules can loose any
chance for access for 10+ years. It's like being blacklisted in that
field fo study. The reason for this isn't to physically protect the
pyramids, but to protect Pyramid teurism. They limit where researchers
can go and what they can do in detail. Journalists are also strictly
regulated. When Pyramid teurism drops down to next to nothing and

stays

there for years, then we'll see major discoveries :o/


If you understood what has happened in the past, you'd understand the

reason

for controls. And yes, Hawass does control it all with an iron fist.

I'll have to disagree somewhat with what you've said about not

physically

protecting the pyramids - if you've seen some of the proposals for

studies,

you'd understand that they would cause irreparable damage. Justifiable?
Maybe. But the basic problem in archaeology is that it's destructive, to

a

large extent. We know that our techniques and technologies improve with
time, so we always, always need to leave as much as possible untouched.
Capped, entombed, whatever.



From what I remember (I'm not an Egyptologist) they were local

limestones or

other sedimentaries. Which makes sense, local supplies, easier to

cut,

relatively light.


If the materials were light the pyramid would not have lasted so long.


Read the word "relatively". As in limestone is relatively lighter than
something harder and much more difficult to quarry, like any of the

granites

or basalts.

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks.


Sure - they're probably not made the same way. Different keys, loadings

and

designs. Stands to reason.

You think the entire pyramid was

constructed the exact same way? There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has

been

rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.


Of course it's been "rewritten" many times - but would you mind telling

me

why you think that anyone other than the original builders knows exactly

why

and how they did things? The one great thing about historical data is

that

it can be built on by successive generations - which means that the last
most recent one, contrary to your belief, is more likely than not closer

to

the truth than the preceding accounts.

Until you've dealt with this stuff firsthand, talked with the folks that
deal with it, handled the artifacts, and put some years into it, there's

no

way you can get a good handle on it. And sure as hell not from some web

page

dealing with a cave with a lot of pseudo-artifacts.

Greg


Great piece of hypocritical double talk.
You say one thing must happen for one to have knowledge about an
archeological site and then proceed to dismiss out of hand EXACTLY
what someone else has done and published on a website which you say is
required.
Jesus, you are daft.
Perhaps you can explain how 2000 year old compressed volcanic silt
stones found only in Italy with Punic style artwork turned up in
Illinois by the thousands.
Then, try this on for size Mr. Wizard.

http://www.gizapower.com/

OOOO...I like the look and the site design. Veeeewwwwwy mysterious!!!!!!!
LOL. Mr. Wizard sees that this site confirms that limestone was used as the
building material for the Great Pyramid.
Mr. Wizard is now waiting for you to get the "it was cast!" and "no, you
idiot, it was quarried" groups together for a debate. You can start with the
Gizapower site and that cave site.
I think it's kinda cool that Illinois was a hotbed of Egyptian activity.
ROFLMAO.
GIGO.
Here are some other links that'll probably interest you:
www.atlantisrising.com
http://www.atlan.org/
http://www.revelation13.net/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/tomchase/
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1260.cfm
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/
http://www.alexchiu.com/
And to make it shorter and sweeter - go to this site and start digging
through this list: http://www.ratbags.com/loon/list01.htm
I figure that'll keep you occupied for at least a few years. Have fun.
Greg
"In THE GIZA POWER PLANT, I had theorized that harmonic resonators were
housed in these slots and were oriented vertically toward the ceiling. I had
also theorized that there was a hydrogen explosion inside the King's Chamber
that shut down the power plant's operation. This explosion explained many
other unusual effects that have been noted inside the Great Pyramid in the
past, and I had surmised that the explosion had also destroyed the
resonators inside the Grand Gallery in a terrible fire.." (from the
Gizapower site)
"chortle, snicker, and even a guffaw"
.



User: ""

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 03:27:12 PM
In misc.survivalism insurgent0001 <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote:

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks. You think the entire pyramid was
constructed the exact same way? There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has been
rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.

That's damn weak evidence for your position. Indeed, it no evidence at
all, but merely the reasons why you speculate.
--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...
- The Who
.
User: "insurgent0001"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 09:26:27 PM
<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote:

That's damn weak evidence for your position. Indeed, it no evidence at
all, but merely the reasons why you speculate.

well, ok, i was implying a lot.

In misc.survivalism insurgent0001 <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote:

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks. You think the entire pyramid was
constructed the exact same way?

my point is, a couple tests on pyramid blocks only proves what those
blocks are made of. If you look at footage from inside and around the
pyramid, there's quite a variety of the color and texture of the blocks.
I think a lot of tests are necessary.
Here is a pic from a shaft that remains untouched by human hands for
4000+ years. Look at the walls, ceiling and floor. Do these look carved
or cast??!
http://server2.cybertarp.com/~perynoid/pyramid_cast.jpg

There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has been
rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.

I was disputing the pictographs which have long been claimed as proof to
how the pyramids were built. The very nature of the pictographs show
self-glorifying and vain leaders obsessed with preserving themselves in
the afterlife - this is exactly the type of leaders who would rewrite
history and erase signs of previous civilization. The Sphinx has a
disproportionately small head which many have insisted had been
re-carved at least once. The nose was actually shot off by a British
artillery unit during World War II, but it's shush-shush today. It's
possible the original exterior of the pyramids have been covered by
additional blocks as you'd expect from vain leaders. It's also possible
the smaller, so called practice pyramids came after, as imitation is a
common human behavior throughout history.
But it's impossible to do definitive tests on pyramid blocks because
hands on research is so tightly restricted. It's taken several years to
get permission to drill that one hole in the above picture :o/ and guess
who got to do it? The researchers who did the first robot up the shaft
were given a very limited amount of time.
The best books on the Pyramids was written in the 1960s and early 1970s
:o/ politics took over after that.
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User: "Greg"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:28:06 AM
"insurgent0001" <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote in message
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<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote:

That's damn weak evidence for your position. Indeed, it no evidence at
all, but merely the reasons why you speculate.


well, ok, i was implying a lot.

In misc.survivalism insurgent0001 <YahooGroup@anti_kerry.com> wrote:

The outmost blocks are not necessarily made the same way or the same
materials as the interior blocks. You think the entire pyramid was
constructed the exact same way?


my point is, a couple tests on pyramid blocks only proves what those
blocks are made of. If you look at footage from inside and around the
pyramid, there's quite a variety of the color and texture of the blocks.
I think a lot of tests are necessary.

Err...I can guarantee it hasn't been "a couple" of tests, or even "several"
tests, but more in the hundreds. As I said before - take the time to go to
your local library and dig up the professional journals yourself. Go to
your local university and talk to some of the anthro people, better yet,
locate some of the Egyptology folks.
Video footage means exactly squat,unless it's close up, multispectral,
scaled, etc. BTW, limestone has varied textures and colors, both in situ and
old quarried block.



Here is a pic from a shaft that remains untouched by human hands for
4000+ years. Look at the walls, ceiling and floor. Do these look carved
or cast??!

http://server2.cybertarp.com/~perynoid/pyramid_cast.jpg

Looks like carved to me, with inclusions that have blown out due to humidity
and acids. Next time you go to your local tile place, look at marble and
limestones. Then tell me what you think. This is the same type of event that
you'll see when limestones, or any rock with a high calcium content is used.


There have been many different
civilizations controlling the pyramids. I think Pyramid history has

been

rewritten several times over thousands of years, and the last one is
least likely to be correct, but it is the one certain dominate
researchers have staked their careers.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor?


I was disputing the pictographs which have long been claimed as proof to
how the pyramids were built. The very nature of the pictographs show
self-glorifying and vain leaders obsessed with preserving themselves in
the afterlife - this is exactly the type of leaders who would rewrite
history and erase signs of previous civilization. The Sphinx has a
disproportionately small head which many have insisted had been
re-carved at least once. The nose was actually shot off by a British
artillery unit during World War II, but it's shush-shush today.

Nonsense - common knowledge about historical damage. Anyone in the field
knows about this.
It's

possible the original exterior of the pyramids have been covered by
additional blocks as you'd expect from vain leaders.

Sure, anything's possible. But if things happen, they leave evidence. No
evidence for that that I've heard of.
It's also possible

the smaller, so called practice pyramids came after, as imitation is a
common human behavior throughout history.

Um, yeah, again, it's possible - but getting in and dealing with good
provenience will do the dating for you. We've been working these structures
and this culture long enough now that we have a pretty good idea as to the
basics of their architecture and its progression.


But it's impossible to do definitive tests on pyramid blocks because
hands on research is so tightly restricted. It's taken several years to
get permission to drill that one hole in the above picture :o/ and guess
who got to do it? The researchers who did the first robot up the shaft
were given a very limited amount of time.

When you're asking to do large scale destructive testing, owners tend to get
a little nervous. There have been plenty of analysis of block materials, and
what it's made of and where it came from isn't in question - other than on
certain, shall we say, "highly theoretical" sources. Which generally haven't
been there, can't do this or that, and don't know what the hell they're
talking about.


The best books on the Pyramids was written in the 1960s and early 1970s
:o/ politics took over after that.

uh-huh. OK. Guess that solves that question.
I suppose (for some reason??) that politics didn't have anything to do prior
to the '60's, eh?
C'mon, think about it.
Greg
.
User: "Gunner"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 01:55:17 AM
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:28:06 -0700, "Greg" <terra_tec@hotmail.com>
wrote:

The Sphinx has a

disproportionately small head which many have insisted had been
re-carved at least once. The nose was actually shot off by a British
artillery unit during World War II, but it's shush-shush today.


Nonsense - common knowledge about historical damage. Anyone in the field
knows about this.

Irrc it was some of Nappys boys.
Gunner
"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism
.







User: "Frank White"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 13 Jul 2004 07:07:36 AM
In article <36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com>,
says...


How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm

"Truth is the daughter of time..."
FW
.

User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: How does the truth stay buried? 14 Jul 2004 02:07:26 PM
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:23:33 -0500, If I told U I'd have 2 kill U wrote
(in article <36caa37d.0407122223.7b5882d7@posting.google.com>):

How is it that this is not common knowledge?
Who is keeping the "Greatest discovery in archeaology" out of the
public's ears and eyes?

http://www.illinoismysterycave.com/index.htm

Reptiles?
Gray
.


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