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How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
MSNBC.com
Breaking Out of the Box
Tensions are rising on both sides of the border, again. Yet the only real
solution is one that North American leaders aren't talking about.
By Robert A. Pastor
Newsweek International
Updated: 2:57 a.m. ET March 19, 2006
Five years ago, U.S. President George W. Bush visited Mexican President
Vicente Fox at his home in Guanajuato. The two pledged to consult their
Canadian counterpart and together build "a North American economic community
whose benefits reach the lesser-developed areas of the region and extend to
the most vulnerable social groups in our countries." They have, in fact,
made no progress toward those goals. Since then, the war in Iraq, friction
over illegal immigration, violence along the U.S.-Mexico border and a lack
of compliance on trade agreements have resulted in a marked deterioration in
U.S. relations with its neighbors. In 2000, two thirds of Mexicans viewed
the United States favorably. According to polls, that number has now
declined to 36 percent (graphic).
When Bush and Fox sit down with new Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper
in Cancún on March 30, all three leaders will pretend that relations are
better than they are. They will note "progress" toward the goals of the
Security and Prosperity Partnership, signed last year in Texas, even though
it is a timid, paper-shuffling exercise that measures success by the number
of bureaucratic meetings.
What they should do is think far more boldly. The only way to solve the most
pressing problems in the region-including immigration, security, and
declining competitiveness-is to create a true North American Community. No
two nations are more important to the United States than Canada and Mexico,
and no investment will bolster security and yield greater economic benefits
for America than one that narrows the income gap between Mexico and its
North American partners.
Bridging that gap was supposed to be one of the many benefits that the North
American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) would deliver. And indeed, since NAFTA
took effect in 1994, trade and investment among the United States, Mexico
and Canada have nearly tripled, making North America the world's largest
free-trade area in terms of territory and gross domestic product (GDP). Yet
the income gap has widened: the annual per capita GDP of the United States
($43,883) today is more than six times that of Mexico ($6,937).
NAFTA has been inadequate in other ways as well. The agreement made no
provisions for cushioning economic downturns like the Mexican peso crisis of
1994-95. It created no credible institutions that operate on a truly
regional basis. Thus, after terrorists struck New York and Washington on
September 11, 2001, the Bush administration unilaterally tightened security
on its international borders while Ottawa and Mexico City reverted to their
traditional ambivalence toward Washington.
Illegal immigration has increased and if anything, NAFTA has inadvertently
fueled immigration by encouraging foreign investment near the U.S.-Mexican
border, which in turn serves as a magnet for workers in central and southern
Mexico. As a result, the number of undocumented Mexican workers who live in
the United States has skyrocketed in the NAFTA era, from an estimated 1
million in the mid-1990s to about 6 million today. One of every six
undocumented immigrants is under 18 years old, and since the mid-1990s the
fastest growth of the population has occurred in states like Arizona and
North Carolina that had relatively small numbers of foreign-born residents
in the past.
This has fueled an increasingly loud backlash in the United States, where
several measures meant to crack down on the migrant flow are working their
way through the U.S. Congress. Lawmakers have proposed everything from more
walls along segments of the Mexican border and more Border Patrol agents, to
a guest-worker program and "regularization" of undocumented workers. Yet
none of these measures will end the immigration crisis, and most would
actually make it worse. Roughly 90 percent of all Mexican illegal immigrants
leave jobs to come to the United States; they seek higher wages. Illegal
immigration is unlikely to shrink until the income gap begins to narrow.
How to do so? Valuable lessons can be gleaned from the continent that
supplied America's original pool of immigrants. When the European Union
added Greece, Spain and Portugal as member countries in the 1980s, it
channeled massive amounts of aid to these newcomers and Ireland to narrow
the income gap separating them from more-prosperous nations like Germany and
France. About half of the $500 billion in aid was spent unwisely; the best
investments were in roads and communications linking these four countries to
richer markets. Between 1986 and 2003, the per capita GDP of the four
nations rose from 65 percent of the average EU member country's economic
output to 82 percent. Spain spent much of the $120 million it received on
new roads that boosted commerce and tourism. As a result, Spanish
immigration to other EU countries all but ceased. Ireland now ranks as the
second richest member of the EU in per capita terms-and for the first time
in its history, it is actually receiving rather than sending immigrants.
North America isn't Europe. But the region's three countries should draw on
the EU's experience and think in more regional terms. The leaders of the
United States, Canada and Mexico must articulate a vision that recognizes
how instability or recession in one affects the other two. At the same time,
they need to remind their constituents that when the value of a neighbor's
house rises, so does theirs.
Transforming that vision into programs to promote development in Mexico, the
trio's poorest partner, will require leadership, capital and institutions
that have been sadly lacking in recent years. Take for example
transportation: the three governments have never put together a
continentwide plan for transportation and infrastructure despite the huge
increase in trade crossing their borders. The first thing NAFTA partners
should do is establish a North American Investment Fund that would invest
$200 billion over 10 years in roads and communications connecting the poorer
southern part of Mexico to the North American market. If we build them, they
will stay: companies will be more likely to invest there, encouraging many
Mexican workers to stay home and others, already in the United States, to
return. Experts estimate that such investment could double Mexico's rate of
GDPgrowth.
The funds should be administered by the World Bank. As the main beneficiary,
Mexico would provide half of the total, the United States could chip in with
an additional 40 percent and Canada the remainder. To ensure optimal use of
the funding, Mexico also needs to increase taxes, modernize its labor laws,
and open up the state-run energy and electricity sectors to private
investment. The United States and Canada could help Mexican leaders sell
those overdue reforms by promising to commit resources to a joint effort to
narrow the income gap.
While the idea of funding Mexican development may sound ludicrous, this
investment would also benefit the U.S. economically, and the total is less
than half of what the EU spent. Washington's $80 billion contribution would
amount to about a third of what the Bush administration has spent in the
last three years in Iraq.
The fund won't end illegal immigration overnight or even in a decade. But if
the investment eventually helps Mexico to achieve 6 percent growth rates,
double those of its northern neighbors, the income gap will be reduced by 20
percent in just the first decade. Only then will Mexicans begin to think
about their future in Mexico rather than plan for an exit north.
This is just one piece of the regional puzzle. To compete with a rising
Asia, North America needs a customs union that will end needless inspections
of legal goods circulating among the three countries. A North American
Regulatory Commission could promote shared goals in health care, protecting
the environment and improving conditions in the workplace. Such a panel
would also eliminate nonsensical discrepancies in the laws of the three
nations that, for instance, bar Americans from buying drugs from a Canadian
pharmacist even if the medicine was made in the United States.
The dividends accruing from a true North American Community would not be
measured strictly in dollars. Instead of defining security exclusively in
terms of fences and border guards, Canadian, Mexican and U.S. officials
should create a broader perimeter around the entire region. Teams of
officials from all three countries could share intelligence and terrorist
watch lists and standardize inspection procedures used at ports of entry.
These steps would be intended to supplement rather than replace existing
border-protection systems.
To be sure, there is little prospect that these initiatives will be approved
in the near future. The Bush administration remains preoccupied by the
quagmire in Iraq and mushrooming fiscal and trade deficits. The Canadian
prime minister lacks a working majority in Parliament, and Mexico is heading
into a presidential election this summer that will choose Vicente Fox's
successor.
But the idea of a North American Community is so compelling in my view that
it will emerge, one hopes sooner rather than later, as a cutting-edge issue.
The question is not whether such a community is likely. The question is
whether it is desirable and will lead to a more secure and competitive North
America. The answer is a resounding yes on both counts. Bush, Fox and Harper
face a choice in Cancún. They can pose for the photographers and pretend
that relations among their countries have never been better. Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
PASTOR is the director of the Center for North American Studies at American
University in Washington, D.C., and author of "Toward a North American
Community: Lessons From the Old World for the New."
© 2006 Newsweek, Inc.
© 2006 MSNBC.com
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
21 Mar 2006 08:10:52 PM |
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"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
MSNBC.com
Breaking Out of the Box
Tensions are rising on both sides of the border, again. Yet the only real
solution is one that North American leaders aren't talking about.
The Mexican leaders have no doubt broached the subject of elminating
American borders with the treasonous American "leaders".
But the "leaders" who continue to falsely represent themselves as Americans
have body parts that they value.
By Robert A. Pastor
Newsweek International
Updated: 2:57 a.m. ET March 19, 2006
Five years ago, U.S. President George W. Bush visited Mexican President
Vicente Fox at his home in Guanajuato. The two pledged to consult their
Canadian counterpart and together build "a North American economic
community
whose benefits reach the lesser-developed areas of the region and extend
to
the most vulnerable social groups in our countries." They have, in fact,
made no progress toward those goals. Since then, the war in Iraq, friction
over illegal immigration, violence along the U.S.-Mexico border and a lack
of compliance on trade agreements have resulted in a marked deterioration
in
U.S. relations with its neighbors. In 2000, two thirds of Mexicans viewed
the United States favorably. According to polls, that number has now
declined to 36 percent (graphic).
GOOD!!!
What can we do to make Mexicans hate the US more, enough to stop sneaking
across our border and incite the ones already here to self deport?
But the idea of a North American Community is so compelling in my view
that
it will emerge, one hopes sooner rather than later, as a cutting-edge
issue.
The question is not whether such a community is likely. The question is
whether it is desirable and will lead to a more secure and competitive
North
America. The answer is a resounding yes on both counts. Bush, Fox and
Harper
face a choice in Cancún. They can pose for the photographers and pretend
that relations among their countries have never been better. Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
PASTOR is the director of the Center for North American Studies at
American
University in Washington, D.C., and author of "Toward a North American
Community: Lessons From the Old World for the New."
There it is, folks. What we have all been waiting for.
The One World Government globalist thugs are finally getting brave enough to
put words to their agenda and publish them at large.
Gulags can't be far behind this first soft-pedal.
No doubt the Jucidiary Committee would be passing legislation to elminate
America right now if mid-term elections were not staring them down the
throat.
The solution to illegal immigration is not nearly as complicated as the
author of this propaganda purports.
The bodies of a few legislators found floating in the Potomac would solve
the immigration issue - and the nauseating, nation-busting globalist
agenda - faster and more efficiently than the remaining legislators could
fish the corpses of their comrades out of the river.
© 2006 Newsweek, Inc.
© 2006 MSNBC.com
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
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| User: "Xeno Chauvin" |
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21 Mar 2006 01:43:58 PM |
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"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
<SNIP< Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
So how will they do that?
By having us ALL devolve into a Mexican state?
Xeno
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| User: "Asmodeus Rex" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
21 Mar 2006 02:24:56 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:43:58 GMT, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
<SNIP< Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
So how will they do that?
By having us ALL devolve into a Mexican state?
Xeno
Why would we devolve into a Mexican state?
Why can't it be the other way around? Like they evolving into an
Anglo-American country?
I'm assuming a superior culture should be able to assimilate an
inferior one.
Is their culture superior? Isn't Puerto Rico a good example of a
tropical Spanish speaking country attaining a higher standard of
living when it has close ties with the United States?
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
23 Mar 2006 12:13:17 AM |
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Mexicans are primitive, jungle like people, very tribalistic... just
look at their gangs. Mexicans don't value education. All Mexican
girls do is dream of having 10 babies. All Mexican boys do is dream of
joining a gang or spraying graffiti.
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| User: "Oliver Costich" |
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23 Mar 2006 01:29:46 PM |
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On 22 Mar 2006 22:13:17 -0800, wrote:
Mexicans are primitive, jungle like people, very tribalistic... just
look at their gangs. Mexicans don't value education. All Mexican
girls do is dream of having 10 babies. All Mexican boys do is dream of
joining a gang or spraying graffiti.
With this kind of racist *****, the proillegals must love you. It
substantiates there screamms of racism toward all opposition. Go away.
We don't need you kind of help.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
24 Mar 2006 01:34:26 AM |
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Pull your head out of the sand. What I wrote is the truth. Mexicans
are VERY primitive people, almost operating on the animal level.
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| User: "myal" |
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24 Mar 2006 03:36:04 AM |
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wrote:
Pull your head out of the sand. What I wrote is the truth. Mexicans
are VERY primitive people, almost operating on the animal level.
Americans live in cardboard boxes and under bridges .....
your point is ?
--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .
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| User: "Zerge" |
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24 Mar 2006 11:13:41 AM |
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wrote:
Pull your head out of the sand. What I wrote is the truth. Mexicans
are VERY primitive people, almost operating on the animal level.
And here's the cream of YOUR crop:
http://www.american-pictures.com/roots/chapter-22.htm
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/index_homeless_1.htm
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/index_apathy_1.htm
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/index_urban_indoor.htm
I suggest you tape some of these on your fridge so you'll remember the
"other" America.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
24 Mar 2006 08:04:12 PM |
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Mexians are garbage and you know it.
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| User: "Oliver Costich" |
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24 Mar 2006 02:17:58 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2006 23:34:26 -0800, wrote:
Pull your head out of the sand. What I wrote is the truth. Mexicans
are VERY primitive people, almost operating on the animal level.
Some are, some aren't. Same for Americans. Been to West Virginia
lately?
Your racist ***** obfuscates the efforts of people who oppose illegal
immigration on a rational basis.
As for Mexicans being primitive, I've lived in Mexico so have lots of
experinece with them. The majority are poor and uneducated but hardly
primitive.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
24 Mar 2006 08:05:59 PM |
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Classic, calls me a racist. For the record, Asians living in the USA
are some of our best residents. They are intelligent and honest people
for the most part. Keep hiding your head in the sand.
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| User: "Alcibiades" |
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21 Mar 2006 02:54:46 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:24:56 GMT, Asmodeus Rex <someplace@nopalce.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:43:58 GMT, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
<SNIP< Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
So how will they do that?
By having us ALL devolve into a Mexican state?
Xeno
Why would we devolve into a Mexican state?
Why can't it be the other way around? Like they evolving into an
Anglo-American country?
I'm assuming a superior culture should be able to assimilate an
inferior one.
Is their culture superior? Isn't Puerto Rico a good example of a
tropical Spanish speaking country attaining a higher standard of
living when it has close ties with the United States?
Latinos are in favor of this sort of thing because they know, given
the absence of national borders and national sovereignties, they will
subsume the anglo-american and his territory. Period. This is apeman
stuff. If they succeed they will assert their own culture, just as
the Spaniards did on the Indio, and the English colonists did
whereever they went. Superior, Inferior, whatever.
Many do understand that this may involve a great upset here soon by
the anglo natives, an urgent lashing through by every avenue, when
these thick-skulled anglos finally realize their nation, their
existance, is being taken from them and as quickly as possible. Better
for their enemy to forward the idea of a North American Union, which
would simply be a Latino population and cultural takeover of the US
and all of the continent, with a small class of rich white folk
running the plantation. Just like Mexico.
We will have to pass on the offer.
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| User: "Zerge" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
22 Mar 2006 02:09:26 PM |
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Alcibiades wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:24:56 GMT, Asmodeus Rex <someplace@nopalce.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:43:58 GMT, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
<SNIP< Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
So how will they do that?
By having us ALL devolve into a Mexican state?
Xeno
Why would we devolve into a Mexican state?
Why can't it be the other way around? Like they evolving into an
Anglo-American country?
I'm assuming a superior culture should be able to assimilate an
inferior one.
Is their culture superior? Isn't Puerto Rico a good example of a
tropical Spanish speaking country attaining a higher standard of
living when it has close ties with the United States?
Latinos are in favor of this sort of thing because they know, given
the absence of national borders and national sovereignties, they will
subsume the anglo-american and his territory. Period. This is apeman
stuff. If they succeed they will assert their own culture, just as
the Spaniards did on the Indio, and the English colonists did
whereever they went. Superior, Inferior, whatever.
Many do understand that this may involve a great upset here soon by
the anglo natives, an urgent lashing through by every avenue, when
these thick-skulled anglos finally realize their nation, their
existance, is being taken from them and as quickly as possible. Better
for their enemy to forward the idea of a North American Union, which
would simply be a Latino population and cultural takeover of the US
and all of the continent, with a small class of rich white folk
running the plantation. Just like Mexico.
We will have to pass on the offer.
My feeling is that, whether we like it or not, the US, Canada, and
Mexico are going to become a single country, eventually. It may sound
impossible now, but think about how much the southern American states
hated the North, and now they are united. I know it's not the same
thing, but you get the idea.
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| User: "Alcibiades" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
23 Mar 2006 01:53:42 AM |
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On 22 Mar 2006 12:09:26 -0800, "Zerge" <zerge@hotmail.com> wrote:
Alcibiades wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:24:56 GMT, Asmodeus Rex <someplace@nopalce.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:43:58 GMT, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
news:54VTf.15779$S25.3037@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11904430/site/newsweek/
<SNIP< Or they can
seize the North American opportunity and put their nations firmly on the
road to a safer and more prosperous future.
So how will they do that?
By having us ALL devolve into a Mexican state?
Xeno
Why would we devolve into a Mexican state?
Why can't it be the other way around? Like they evolving into an
Anglo-American country?
I'm assuming a superior culture should be able to assimilate an
inferior one.
Is their culture superior? Isn't Puerto Rico a good example of a
tropical Spanish speaking country attaining a higher standard of
living when it has close ties with the United States?
Latinos are in favor of this sort of thing because they know, given
the absence of national borders and national sovereignties, they will
subsume the anglo-american and his territory. Period. This is apeman
stuff. If they succeed they will assert their own culture, just as
the Spaniards did on the Indio, and the English colonists did
whereever they went. Superior, Inferior, whatever.
Many do understand that this may involve a great upset here soon by
the anglo natives, an urgent lashing through by every avenue, when
these thick-skulled anglos finally realize their nation, their
existance, is being taken from them and as quickly as possible. Better
for their enemy to forward the idea of a North American Union, which
would simply be a Latino population and cultural takeover of the US
and all of the continent, with a small class of rich white folk
running the plantation. Just like Mexico.
We will have to pass on the offer.
My feeling is that, whether we like it or not, the US, Canada, and
Mexico are going to become a single country, eventually. It may sound
impossible now, but think about how much the southern American states
hated the North, and now they are united. I know it's not the same
thing, but you get the idea.
Most Hispanic individuals who post here say what you say about that.
Most Anglo people who post here say different.
Regardless, what I said there about the real picture is true, and
because of that, we opt for survival over what you think inevitable
there.
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True, the Northern vs Southern States is not the same thing, very poor
analogy in fact.
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: How to solve illegal immigration - Newsweek |
21 Mar 2006 02:45:43 PM |
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Pouring money into Mexico would be, as always, no different than
flushing it down the toilet.
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