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"Raymond Karczewski" |
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16 Jul 2006 06:50:00 AM |
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I demand the OREGON ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE conduct an Investigation into this Conspiracy to Libel matter. |
I demand the OREGON ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE conduct an Investigation
into this Conspiracy to Libel matter.
To: Hardy Myers
Oregon Attorney General
Salem Oregon
hardy.myers@state.or.us
Sir,
The following article written for the Internet by my wife Anita
speaks for itself. It addresses the Libelous smear made by one who
calls himself Chadwick Stone. Stone is a member of an internet
disinformation group which has been stalking and conspiring with
others in the libeling of my wife, family members and myself. Stone
intimates ties with the Carlyle Group, though at this time, it is
unconfirmed. Stone is part of the same group I filed a Criminal
Complaint with the Medford Office of the FBI on Nov 2, 1997. See:
http://www.petitiononline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
My government has failed me and others in every possible way. They
have sought to let crime run rampant, yet prosecute those who expose
corruption in Oregon Political law enforcement and judicial systems.
I am demanding an investigation be made by your office into the
unlawful use of a mind-control/disinformation Agenda launched
treasonously by the government against the Sovereign American People.
I understand that libel is not a criminal offense, but Conspiracy
to Libel is. There is ample evidence to sustain a conviction for such
conspiracy to libel by this subrosa disinformation group.
Let it begin with chadwick stone's libelous accusation referring to me
when he says "You almost killed her once, convict, it is reasonable
to suspect you will attempt to do it again."
I am available to sign any complaints and/or affidavits to
necessitate the prosecution of Stone and his cohorts.
This demand for an investigation will be posted on the Internet!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
Anita Karczewski Exposes Chadwick Stone's Libelous Smear Regarding
Charge of Attempted Homocide!!
Anita Karczewski wrote:
"Chadwick Stone©" <chad_stone@127.0.0.1> wrote
The only fear your message inspires is fear for the safety of that
cadaver you call a wife. You almost killed her once, convict, it is
reasonable to suspect you will attempt to do it again.
AK: How in the world do you come up with these wild imaginings?
What exactly do you mean when you say that my husband Ray "almost
killed her once,"? Explain in detail just what, other than pure
malicious deceitfulness, would prompt such an horrendous accusation.
AK: You disgust me "Chadwick Stone," or whatever your real name is!
Your vicious lies and malicious inuendos about my husband, me, and my
family have contributed to making me sick.
AK: I wonder what causes any human being to become so twisted and
full of hate as you and you cronies are.
AK I am amazed and disgusted that malicious people like you and
yours are allowed to freely prowl the Internet newsgroups and forums
and spread such vicious lies. It amazes me that other Internet users
are not vehemently protesting the tactics you and yours use to
attempt to discredit any innocent victim they choose to, without being
held accountable for their words, and who then hide behind the phrase
"free speech". Free speech requires one to openly take responsibility
for what they say (and do).
AK: My illness first surfaced when this area was the site of the
Biscuit Fire, the biggest forest fire in the nation in 2002, three
years ago. Government, the Forest Service, rather than dousing two
small fires, chose to let the two small fires merge and become one
huge fire which quickly got out of control and ultimately burned
499,570 acres, had more than 6,775 firefighters from all over this
country, Canada, and Australia fighting it, and cost taxpayers
$145,754,149 (145.7 Million Dollars). The people living in this
valley were given evacuation notices varying from 15 minutes to 1/2
hour. In the meantime we all breathed smoke-filled air for five
months till the Fall rains finally doused the fire. I wrote to
Governor Kulongoski regarding this giantic blunder on the part of
government. (At the bottom of this post is reading material from
newspapers and the Associated Press regarding the Biscuit Fire.)
AK: My illness was exacerbated by the stress of the unlawful arrest,
incarceration and prosecution of my husband Ray in two bogus trials
and by the refusal of the courts to answer the 23 questions regarding
jurisdiction put to them, and to prove their jurisdiction in writing,
as is required of them by law. The refusal of the appeals court to
offer an opinion on either of the two (automatic) appeals only
exagerates how the courts wiggle out of the necessity for forthright
honesty in matters of law. The bottom line is and will always be,
until the courts are willing to follow the law and US Constitution in
proving juridiction over living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient
natural men and women when they are challenged in court to do so, such
bogus courts are unconstitutional and carry with them no force of law.
That is why Ray is home with me and a free man, despite what the
records of a private, for-profit Corporate State and Local Courts
claim. They have yet to make a claim against my husband.
AK: Government repeated its penchant for blundering incompetence with
its dismal response to the people of the Gulf Coast when Hurricane
Katrina devasted it last year.
AK: Government is now closing VA hospitals and refusing medical
assistance to the service men and women who are returning from active
duty with devastating illnesses and injuries. I can't imagine how
ashamed you and yours must feel to be connected in any way with such
an inhumane, incompetent government such as this.
AK: When one of the Sovereign People, such as my husband Ray, takes
action to hold government responsible for what it does, government
turns a deaf ear and does not respond. It refuses to accept
(registered) mail, to answer questions put to it, and it ignores its
own laws regarding commercial defaults. It uses people such a
yourself to attempt to discredit those who require government to take
responsibility for its actions and/or people. And if that doesn't
work, government just waits and hopes you'll die before they have to
take responsibility and compensate their victims for government's
incompetence.
AK: In the meantime government keeps on dismantling the Constitution,
collecting taxes, raising retirement ages, lowering retirement
benefits, sending jobs out of the country, conning people into
unknowingly contracting their lives away, and quietly stashing huge
amounts of funds away in CAFR's, all with the tacit consent of the
frightened and paralyzed populace.
AK: Me, a cadaver? Not on your life! I truly question what kind of
a woman would love, respect and trust a "man" like you.
AK: "Stone," I'd advise you not to have your portrait painted.
"Dorian Gray" learned that the hard way! Truth will always reveal
corruption and deception.
AK: I am sending this through Ray's email address, as I don't want
you harrassing me like you do Ray.
Anita Karczewski
_________________________________________________
On July 18, 2002 I expressed my surprise to a respected business
person in the valley that there were (forest) fires burning so close
to Cave Junction. She said the fire department was letting two of the
fires burn rather than "call out ten men out to fight a small fire,
they preferred to call out a hundred men to fight a bigger fire."
Anita Karczewski
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To:
Subject: Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit
Fire,California
Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit Fire, California)
The Daily Triplicate, Crescent City, California ^
16 August 2002 |
Kent Gray, Daily Triplicate staff writer
Fire officials have acknowledged a request was made to attempt to
extinguish the Biscuit Fire when it was only 100 acres, but that
request was turned down.
"They offered to make one run on the fire to do bucket work for one
fuel cycle," said Paul Galloway, information officer for the Biscuit
Fire said. "But management didn't believe that would be helpful. There
were no ground crews to take advantage of it and it would have had
minimal effect."
Del Norte County Supervisor Chuck Blackburn said yesterday the
helicopter crew believed it could have made an impact.
"The helicopter offered to try and make an impact and they were told
no," said Blackburn. "... I can't say for sure. Maybe it couldn't
have been put out. But I've been talking to people who should know,
and the people I have talked to said it could have, and should have,
been put out."
Blackburn, who said he will not reveal the names of those who have
confided in him, said he has been analyzing the fire response for two
weeks and has come to the conclusion more could have been done.
"I think there was a problem between the regions and getting
permission to go in and put the fire out," he said. "I'm not after
people's names or pointing fingers. I just want to make sure that
regions don't become a problem, the stateline doesn't become a
problem, so years down the road when this reoccurs we don't have a
problem."
The incident with the California Department of Forestry helicopter
occurred on July 14, one day after the Sour Biscuit Fire was ignited
by a lightning strike in the Siskiyou National Forest. Galloway said
the fire, centered in a remote and roadless section of forestland, was
reportedly 100 acres in size at that time.
The Biscuit Fire was one of "hundreds" that sparked throughout Oregon
around the same time, Galloway said. Because of this, resources were
stretched thin on July 13 and no crews were assigned to the Sour
Biscuit blaze until July 14, and those crews basically attempted to
make roads into the area.
The first report of the Biscuit blaze was received at 3:15 p.m. from a
fixed-wing reconnaissance flight in the area. At 3:50 p.m., another
blaze was spotted at Carter Creek.
"There was confusion whether or not there were two fires at first,"
said Galloway. "Folks from the Six Rivers National Forest also saw
smoke in the area and reported it. It was determined later there was
only one fire (in the Biscuit area)."
Rick Addy, the federal manager for the Six River National Forest, said
interstate fire response is common, with some exceptions.
"The closest forces will respond to a fire, like with a lightning
strike, and after the initial attack they take care of theirs and we
take care of ours," Addy said. "Except for aircraft. They have to be
coordinated because it's not safe to mix aircraft. There's a real
safety issue involved."
Galloway said there was no aircraft assigned to the Biscuit blaze on
July 14 when the helicopter aid was declined.
Blackburn said an offer from ground crews, with the Gasquet Ranger
District in the Six Rivers National Forest, to attack the blaze was
also declined in Oregon's Region Six. Galloway said he could find no
official mention of this offer.
Galloway said his reports mention no managers' names or offices where
the decisions originated from.
Further complications arose with the Sour Biscuit Fire between July 27
and Aug. 1, after the fire entered into California. Blackburn said
helicopters were idled in Gasquet while a change of command was being
prepared and aircraft communication frequencies were in limbo.
"Nothing was happening here because everything was coming out of
Oregon," Blackburn said. He said at 10 a.m. on Aug. 1, he watched
opportunities to fight the blaze being squandered because crews were
told to wait until 6 p.m.
"They were flying into the Shelley Creek Fire with water and Linda
Szczepanik (incident commander of Shelley Creek) was trying to get
frequencies released for the Biscuit Fire. I stood there and watched,
but she couldn't get the frequencies released. So there's another
eight hours lost for Sour Biscuit."
Galloway said it will be at least another week before he can compile a
chronology for communications and decisions from fire managers for
late July and early August.
Meanwhile, Blackburn said local counties must be proactive if they
want to avert similar problems in the future. Blackburn said a meeting
is being coordinated for late September between Del Norte County and
the Oregon counties of Curry and Josephine to reach agreements with
Forest Service Regions Five and Six, the California Division of
Forestry, the Oregon Division of Forestry along with local fire
officials and legislators.
"We have a good opportunity here to resolve any future problems," said
Blackburn. "I'm not calling this meeting to say 'you screwed up' or
'he screwed up.' I'm saying 'What can we do to see that this never
happens again?'"
The Sour Biscuit Fire, which eventually burned more than 48,000 acres
in Oregon and California, later merged with the larger Florence Fire
in Oregon. The combined fire was renamed the Biscuit Fire and is
currently responsible for nearly 400,000 acres of scorched forestland.
***************************************************************
MY NOTE: As of this date the Buiscuit Fire web site states that
499,570 acres have burned. 554 personnel are still working on the
fire. 68 injuries have been sustained so far. COST TO DATE:
$145,754,149/145.7 million dollars.
***************************************************************
Taken from "Local News Comes First" October 13, 2002
http://www.localnewscomesfirst.com/index.asp?go=story&storyid=3371
Biscuit Fire Fight Most Expensive Ever
Associated Press
Southern Oregon -- Southwest Oregon's Biscuit Fire has been contained
for more than a month, but it's not out yet. And the cost of fighting
it continues to grow.
The tab is already more than $150 million, making it the most
expensive fire in U.S. history.
The fire burned more than a half-million acres. It began July 13 with
a lightning strike. Fire officials expect it to burn into November,
when rainfall should extinguish what's left of it.
***********************************************************
FOOLPROOF PLAN FOR TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY
July 16 2006: DAY 531
JOIN NATIONAL CORPORATE CONSUMERS BOYCOTT ALREADY IN
PROGRESS. Tis the peaceful Way to Show Corporate Government
Who's BOSS!
SEE: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch121.html#BOYCOTT
Do not surrender your guns: be prepared to use them
for Self-protection in the event Martial Law is
declared.
Begin IMPEACHMENT proceedings on President Bush and other TREASONOUS National Leaders.
DEMAND RESIGNATIONS FROM THE TOP DOWN.
***************************************************
In the NEXT TWO NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL ELECTIONS.
WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN! WITHOUT EXCEPTION, VOTE ALL
INCUMBENTS OUT -- ALL INCUMBENTS!
***************************************************
(FORGET THE ABOVE STATEMENT - AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE TWO NATIONAL ELECTIONS IN WHICH TO RESOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS. THE TIME TO SOLVE THEM IS NOW!
REMOVE THE OLD. INSTALL THE NEW!
LET TRAITORS KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR CONTINUED EXPECTATION OF EMPLOYMENT WHILE CONDUCTING BUSINESS AS USUAL.
THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE HAVE ALREADY LEARNED THAT LESSON. They Stopped Coming to Work until it was safe to return.
It is time all SATANIC leadership learn the same harsh lesson which accompanies the loss of one's integrity.
DO YOUR PART! Put the FREE back into the LAND OF THE
FREE!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Simple Man of Truth
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In the illusion based world of man's thought, there exist
healthy egos and unhealthy egos --visit my home page and
meet the unhealthy ego's worst nightmare!
http://www.arkenterprises.com
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16 Jul 2006 09:02:13 AM |
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In article <44ba27e5.35115401@news.west.earthlink.net>,
(Raymond Karczewski) wrote:
I demand the OREGON ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE conduct an Investigation
into this Conspiracy to Libel matter.
libel is a civil action, you'll need to hire (and pay for) your own
attorney....
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³It is easier for the world to accept a simple lie than
a complex truth." - Alexis de Tocqueville
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| User: "FRANKIE LEE" |
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| Title: Re: I demand the OREGON ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE conduct an Investigation into this Conspiracy to Libel matter. |
18 Jul 2006 10:17:50 AM |
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Think for yourself.
Is it not true, sufferings await us? Few thousand years ago, Chinese
Emperors used tortures to frighten and control the masses and the infamous
style: Thousand knives, Tens Thousands cuts.
The victims would be cut a thousand ways, but would be alerted to survive
and breathe. It is suppose to inflict the greatest pain to the fellows. It
was the worst kind of tortures ever known to mankind.
The Lord Jesus actually revealed a kind of tortures and sufferings beyond
human comprehensions. In all of human histories and all imaginative fiction
writers, none ever thought of such thing. However Jesus was describing a
reality, real and presently children of Adam are now being tormented.
The fires not quench, nor their worms died, and there the prisoners gnashing
their teeth, wailing and weeping.
Jesus describes of such a place, for all sinners, and their duration of
pain, and fear and torment, according to Jesus is, Eternal. The Person who
created such an everlasting place is Almighty God, to punish the Devils and
Evil spirits that rebel Him.
Jesus leaked out a secret well kept for many centuries and it shock the
entire human race: Hell was created for the Demons and Devils, and it is not
for human being. God didn't thought about it, and God never tell lies.
The Devil knowing he has such short time, deceive as many as possible to
join his sealed-fate.Surprisingly, there are only Demons and Devils whose
fate is sealed and certain, somehow words goes around that our fate is also
sealed, which is not true of course.
Jesus said we can be saved, healed and escape damnation. Simply by
repentance of sins, accept His sacrificial on the cross for you, and you
must call on Him to save you.
We actually live to die. For a fact, our Fathers is about to die. Grief and
sorrows are just around the corner for all of us. Every child that was born
was ignorantly brought about by the Parents, unsuspecting that much pain and
tortures wait for the child.
Sickness hurt the families. Diseases inflict upon the human bodies. The
emptiness and hollowness of life, and the meaninglessness of it, drive
people to do stupid things.
Human beings are the most sickening thing on Earth. It is bad luck to be in
this world. It is "sway". Who can escape some sorts of torment and tortures
along our living? Only to realize all pain is a prelude to a greater pain
and sufferings beyond death. Despite such knowledge, people still foolishly
brings in more babies into this world to suffer.
Even though you may come to be saved now, but there is no guarantee you will
remain faithful till the end, and not betray God. There are temptations and
trials in this life, and the Devils always seek your soul. The truths has
been, Christians do backslide and became Judas Iscariot. Jesus although gave
Salvation freely to human race, but getting people to receive Him already is
not easy. Some however just throw away Eternal Life just like that, couldn't
careless about the consequence, just for the fleeting pleasures of life.
One need to repent and live right, and be clean in order to enter the narrow
way. The facts and realities of life is this: Broad are the ways to
destruction, and narrow is the way to Heaven.
You must seek the narrow way to Eternal Life. Is that easy?
"Raymond Karczewski" <arkent3@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44ba27e5.35115401@news.west.earthlink.net...
I demand the OREGON ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE conduct an Investigation
into this Conspiracy to Libel matter.
To: Hardy Myers
Oregon Attorney General
Salem Oregon
hardy.myers@state.or.us
Sir,
The following article written for the Internet by my wife Anita
speaks for itself. It addresses the Libelous smear made by one who
calls himself Chadwick Stone. Stone is a member of an internet
disinformation group which has been stalking and conspiring with
others in the libeling of my wife, family members and myself. Stone
intimates ties with the Carlyle Group, though at this time, it is
unconfirmed. Stone is part of the same group I filed a Criminal
Complaint with the Medford Office of the FBI on Nov 2, 1997. See:
http://www.petitiononline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
My government has failed me and others in every possible way. They
have sought to let crime run rampant, yet prosecute those who expose
corruption in Oregon Political law enforcement and judicial systems.
I am demanding an investigation be made by your office into the
unlawful use of a mind-control/disinformation Agenda launched
treasonously by the government against the Sovereign American People.
I understand that libel is not a criminal offense, but Conspiracy
to Libel is. There is ample evidence to sustain a conviction for such
conspiracy to libel by this subrosa disinformation group.
Let it begin with chadwick stone's libelous accusation referring to me
when he says "You almost killed her once, convict, it is reasonable
to suspect you will attempt to do it again."
I am available to sign any complaints and/or affidavits to
necessitate the prosecution of Stone and his cohorts.
This demand for an investigation will be posted on the Internet!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
Anita Karczewski Exposes Chadwick Stone's Libelous Smear Regarding
Charge of Attempted Homocide!!
Anita Karczewski wrote:
"Chadwick Stone©" <chad_stone@127.0.0.1> wrote
The only fear your message inspires is fear for the safety of that
cadaver you call a wife. You almost killed her once, convict, it is
reasonable to suspect you will attempt to do it again.
AK: How in the world do you come up with these wild imaginings?
What exactly do you mean when you say that my husband Ray "almost
killed her once,"? Explain in detail just what, other than pure
malicious deceitfulness, would prompt such an horrendous accusation.
AK: You disgust me "Chadwick Stone," or whatever your real name is!
Your vicious lies and malicious inuendos about my husband, me, and my
family have contributed to making me sick.
AK: I wonder what causes any human being to become so twisted and
full of hate as you and you cronies are.
AK I am amazed and disgusted that malicious people like you and
yours are allowed to freely prowl the Internet newsgroups and forums
and spread such vicious lies. It amazes me that other Internet users
are not vehemently protesting the tactics you and yours use to
attempt to discredit any innocent victim they choose to, without being
held accountable for their words, and who then hide behind the phrase
"free speech". Free speech requires one to openly take responsibility
for what they say (and do).
AK: My illness first surfaced when this area was the site of the
Biscuit Fire, the biggest forest fire in the nation in 2002, three
years ago. Government, the Forest Service, rather than dousing two
small fires, chose to let the two small fires merge and become one
huge fire which quickly got out of control and ultimately burned
499,570 acres, had more than 6,775 firefighters from all over this
country, Canada, and Australia fighting it, and cost taxpayers
$145,754,149 (145.7 Million Dollars). The people living in this
valley were given evacuation notices varying from 15 minutes to 1/2
hour. In the meantime we all breathed smoke-filled air for five
months till the Fall rains finally doused the fire. I wrote to
Governor Kulongoski regarding this giantic blunder on the part of
government. (At the bottom of this post is reading material from
newspapers and the Associated Press regarding the Biscuit Fire.)
AK: My illness was exacerbated by the stress of the unlawful arrest,
incarceration and prosecution of my husband Ray in two bogus trials
and by the refusal of the courts to answer the 23 questions regarding
jurisdiction put to them, and to prove their jurisdiction in writing,
as is required of them by law. The refusal of the appeals court to
offer an opinion on either of the two (automatic) appeals only
exagerates how the courts wiggle out of the necessity for forthright
honesty in matters of law. The bottom line is and will always be,
until the courts are willing to follow the law and US Constitution in
proving juridiction over living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient
natural men and women when they are challenged in court to do so, such
bogus courts are unconstitutional and carry with them no force of law.
That is why Ray is home with me and a free man, despite what the
records of a private, for-profit Corporate State and Local Courts
claim. They have yet to make a claim against my husband.
AK: Government repeated its penchant for blundering incompetence with
its dismal response to the people of the Gulf Coast when Hurricane
Katrina devasted it last year.
AK: Government is now closing VA hospitals and refusing medical
assistance to the service men and women who are returning from active
duty with devastating illnesses and injuries. I can't imagine how
ashamed you and yours must feel to be connected in any way with such
an inhumane, incompetent government such as this.
AK: When one of the Sovereign People, such as my husband Ray, takes
action to hold government responsible for what it does, government
turns a deaf ear and does not respond. It refuses to accept
(registered) mail, to answer questions put to it, and it ignores its
own laws regarding commercial defaults. It uses people such a
yourself to attempt to discredit those who require government to take
responsibility for its actions and/or people. And if that doesn't
work, government just waits and hopes you'll die before they have to
take responsibility and compensate their victims for government's
incompetence.
AK: In the meantime government keeps on dismantling the Constitution,
collecting taxes, raising retirement ages, lowering retirement
benefits, sending jobs out of the country, conning people into
unknowingly contracting their lives away, and quietly stashing huge
amounts of funds away in CAFR's, all with the tacit consent of the
frightened and paralyzed populace.
AK: Me, a cadaver? Not on your life! I truly question what kind of
a woman would love, respect and trust a "man" like you.
AK: "Stone," I'd advise you not to have your portrait painted.
"Dorian Gray" learned that the hard way! Truth will always reveal
corruption and deception.
AK: I am sending this through Ray's email address, as I don't want
you harrassing me like you do Ray.
Anita Karczewski
_________________________________________________
On July 18, 2002 I expressed my surprise to a respected business
person in the valley that there were (forest) fires burning so close
to Cave Junction. She said the fire department was letting two of the
fires burn rather than "call out ten men out to fight a small fire,
they preferred to call out a hundred men to fight a bigger fire."
Anita Karczewski
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To:
Subject: Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit
Fire,California
Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit Fire, California)
The Daily Triplicate, Crescent City, California ^
16 August 2002 |
Kent Gray, Daily Triplicate staff writer
Fire officials have acknowledged a request was made to attempt to
extinguish the Biscuit Fire when it was only 100 acres, but that
request was turned down.
"They offered to make one run on the fire to do bucket work for one
fuel cycle," said Paul Galloway, information officer for the Biscuit
Fire said. "But management didn't believe that would be helpful. There
were no ground crews to take advantage of it and it would have had
minimal effect."
Del Norte County Supervisor Chuck Blackburn said yesterday the
helicopter crew believed it could have made an impact.
"The helicopter offered to try and make an impact and they were told
no," said Blackburn. "... I can't say for sure. Maybe it couldn't
have been put out. But I've been talking to people who should know,
and the people I have talked to said it could have, and should have,
been put out."
Blackburn, who said he will not reveal the names of those who have
confided in him, said he has been analyzing the fire response for two
weeks and has come to the conclusion more could have been done.
"I think there was a problem between the regions and getting
permission to go in and put the fire out," he said. "I'm not after
people's names or pointing fingers. I just want to make sure that
regions don't become a problem, the stateline doesn't become a
problem, so years down the road when this reoccurs we don't have a
problem."
The incident with the California Department of Forestry helicopter
occurred on July 14, one day after the Sour Biscuit Fire was ignited
by a lightning strike in the Siskiyou National Forest. Galloway said
the fire, centered in a remote and roadless section of forestland, was
reportedly 100 acres in size at that time.
The Biscuit Fire was one of "hundreds" that sparked throughout Oregon
around the same time, Galloway said. Because of this, resources were
stretched thin on July 13 and no crews were assigned to the Sour
Biscuit blaze until July 14, and those crews basically attempted to
make roads into the area.
The first report of the Biscuit blaze was received at 3:15 p.m. from a
fixed-wing reconnaissance flight in the area. At 3:50 p.m., another
blaze was spotted at Carter Creek.
"There was confusion whether or not there were two fires at first,"
said Galloway. "Folks from the Six Rivers National Forest also saw
smoke in the area and reported it. It was determined later there was
only one fire (in the Biscuit area)."
Rick Addy, the federal manager for the Six River National Forest, said
interstate fire response is common, with some exceptions.
"The closest forces will respond to a fire, like with a lightning
strike, and after the initial attack they take care of theirs and we
take care of ours," Addy said. "Except for aircraft. They have to be
coordinated because it's not safe to mix aircraft. There's a real
safety issue involved."
Galloway said there was no aircraft assigned to the Biscuit blaze on
July 14 when the helicopter aid was declined.
Blackburn said an offer from ground crews, with the Gasquet Ranger
District in the Six Rivers National Forest, to attack the blaze was
also declined in Oregon's Region Six. Galloway said he could find no
official mention of this offer.
Galloway said his reports mention no managers' names or offices where
the decisions originated from.
Further complications arose with the Sour Biscuit Fire between July 27
and Aug. 1, after the fire entered into California. Blackburn said
helicopters were idled in Gasquet while a change of command was being
prepared and aircraft communication frequencies were in limbo.
"Nothing was happening here because everything was coming out of
Oregon," Blackburn said. He said at 10 a.m. on Aug. 1, he watched
opportunities to fight the blaze being squandered because crews were
told to wait until 6 p.m.
"They were flying into the Shelley Creek Fire with water and Linda
Szczepanik (incident commander of Shelley Creek) was trying to get
frequencies released for the Biscuit Fire. I stood there and watched,
but she couldn't get the frequencies released. So there's another
eight hours lost for Sour Biscuit."
Galloway said it will be at least another week before he can compile a
chronology for communications and decisions from fire managers for
late July and early August.
Meanwhile, Blackburn said local counties must be proactive if they
want to avert similar problems in the future. Blackburn said a meeting
is being coordinated for late September between Del Norte County and
the Oregon counties of Curry and Josephine to reach agreements with
Forest Service Regions Five and Six, the California Division of
Forestry, the Oregon Division of Forestry along with local fire
officials and legislators.
"We have a good opportunity here to resolve any future problems," said
Blackburn. "I'm not calling this meeting to say 'you screwed up' or
'he screwed up.' I'm saying 'What can we do to see that this never
happens again?'"
The Sour Biscuit Fire, which eventually burned more than 48,000 acres
in Oregon and California, later merged with the larger Florence Fire
in Oregon. The combined fire was renamed the Biscuit Fire and is
currently responsible for nearly 400,000 acres of scorched forestland.
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MY NOTE: As of this date the Buiscuit Fire web site states that
499,570 acres have burned. 554 personnel are still working on the
fire. 68 injuries have been sustained so far. COST TO DATE:
$145,754,149/145.7 million dollars.
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Taken from "Local News Comes First" October 13, 2002
http://www.localnewscomesfirst.com/index.asp?go=story&storyid=3371
Biscuit Fire Fight Most Expensive Ever
Associated Press
Southern Oregon -- Southwest Oregon's Biscuit Fire has been contained
for more than a month, but it's not out yet. And the cost of fighting
it continues to grow.
The tab is already more than $150 million, making it the most
expensive fire in U.S. history.
The fire burned more than a half-million acres. It began July 13 with
a lightning strike. Fire officials expect it to burn into November,
when rainfall should extinguish what's left of it.
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July 16 2006: DAY 531
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Do not surrender your guns: be prepared to use them
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REMOVE THE OLD. INSTALL THE NEW!
LET TRAITORS KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR CONTINUED EXPECTATION OF
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THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE HAVE ALREADY LEARNED THAT LESSON. They Stopped
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It is time all SATANIC leadership learn the same harsh lesson which
accompanies the loss of one's integrity.
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