Politics > Politics-USA > If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison?
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11 Feb 2007 07:13:50 PM |
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If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
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| User: "James Jones" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 08:27:02 PM |
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"Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171242830.191341.242930@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
You damned right they would have. They would also have been charged with a
hate crime, as well.
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 07:45:43 PM |
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On Feb 11, 6:13 pm, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
IMO, if they were "anglo", they may have
been put on desk duty or similar, but not
even fired. Much less given prison time.
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| User: "GeekBoy" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 08:13:40 PM |
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WTFE MORON:
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Verdict Reversal for Ex-Border Patrol Agent
Jan 29, 2007 05:28 PM CST
David Sipe is a once convicted criminal who can honestly say he
"didn't do it."
"Relief. Relief. After 7 years, it's gone. It's over."
The ex-border patrol agent gets a 2001 guilty verdict overturned in
his retrial for civil rights violations against a smuggler. The incident
dates back to April of 2000 in Penitas.
"He was striking me in the side... he was very close to my weapon...
and I had to do what I could to control the situation as fast as I could."
Fearing for his life, David subdues the smuggler by hitting him with
his flashlight. It results in staples to the smugglers head. A border
patrol investigation is launched and deems his actions inappropriate-- even
illegal.
"I don't know how they're able to do that... but I don't think that's
fair."
Neither did a jury who overturns his conviction from the first trial
against him.
David says the government, who he faithfully worked under for nearly 4
years, turns its back on him while rolling out the red carpet, as he puts
it, for the illegals turned witnesses.
"They got to stay here and work in our country."
The smuggler even gets a government settlement.
"80 thousand dollars... he now has his own ranch in Mexico.'
As for David-- he doesn't collect a thing. In fact, his life and
family gets ripped apart.
"My house foreclosed on after having to file bankruptcy, my children
having to live through this... of course my wife divorcing me."
Through it all, he says, justice is served. And while most about
David is forever changed one thing returns and it's most important thing to
him of all.
"I have my freedom back. I'm a man of honor again."
What lead to this morning's "not guilty" verdict reversal against the
former border patrol agent? Turns out his attorney says the prosecution in
the first trial supressed evidence and lied about benefits given to "Alien"
witnesses.
Attorney Jack Wolfe explains.
"They with-held evidence about their witnesses who had prior
convictions...they didn't tell us... they were supposed to tell us. In
fact, they told us that they had no witnesses with convictions."
A new trial was granted and David Sipe's conviction was thrown out.
As a result, Sipe is a free man and fighting to get his job back.
"Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171244743.789243.185450@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 11, 6:13 pm, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
IMO, if they were "anglo", they may have
been put on desk duty or similar, but not
even fired. Much less given prison time.
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 09:51:18 PM |
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On Feb 11, 8:13 pm, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
Bush, Gonzales and Sutton "picked" Ramos and Campeon to prove their
love of Hispanics.
If they had in fact been "Anglo," they'd have been sent on vacation---
to Mexico.
Right?
You must be really twisted to have come up with a spin like yours.
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 10:15:30 PM |
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On Feb 11, 8:51 pm, "Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:13 pm, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
Bush, Gonzales and Sutton "picked" Ramos and Campeon to prove their
love of Hispanics.
If they had in fact been "Anglo," they'd have been sent on vacation---
to Mexico.
Talk about "spin" (below).
Right?
You must be really twisted to have come up with a spin
like yours.
No, but I happen to know the historical
prejudice against Hispanics whether
they are legal or not, Especially in the S.W.
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 10:22:43 PM |
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On Feb 11, 11:15 pm, "Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:51 pm, "Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:13 pm, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Ramos and Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been
picked to set an example and sent to prison?
Bush, Gonzales and Sutton "picked" Ramos and Campeon to prove their
love of Hispanics.
If they had in fact been "Anglo," they'd have been sent on vacation---
to Mexico.
Talk about "spin"...
What's your problem? Haven't you the clear-headedness to recognize
sarcasm?
....(below).
Right?
You must be really twisted to have come up with a spin
like yours.
No, but I happen to know the historical
prejudice against Hispanics whether
they are legal or not, Especially in the S.W.
Why don't you ask Ramos and Campeon?
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 10:31:31 PM |
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On Feb 11, 11:22 pm, "Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
Why don't you ask Ramos and Campeon?
P.S.: If any one does, I wouldn't be surprised if they might think
that their being Hispanic was a factor but only to keep La Raza,
MALDEF, etc. muzzled.
After all, Bush and Gonzales certainly wouldn't have wanted to "risk"
the splendid images of those organizations.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 09:14:56 PM |
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The reason they are in prison is because they were doing their jobs
too well and not allowing illegals to get through. IF the drug dealer
were a legal American citizen, Ramos and Campeon would not only have
their jobs but have been given a metal. They are in prison today
because our government is in bed with the mexican government.
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
11 Feb 2007 10:17:45 PM |
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On Feb 11, 10:14 pm, wrote:
The reason they are in prison is because they were doing their jobs
too well and not allowing illegals to get through.
I think there's more to it than not allowing mere illegals through or
even a political showcase for Bush and Calderon.
These particular border patrolmen must have been especically impeding
the Mexican Government/Drug Cartels/Human Smuggling Ring; while Bush
and Gonzales obviously agreed.
For a U.S. Attorney (Sutton) to even risk granting immunity to a drug
smuggler for testimony against U.S. Border Patrolmen and to even risk
the illegal witholding of evidence (which Sutton did also) during his
prosecution seems hardly commensurate with merely stopping illegals or
even political showcasing.
Hell. Given what this prosecution (including MxGov) has already done,
they must certainly be as capable of having set up the two Border
Patrolmen to begin with.
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: If Agents Ramos - Campeon were "Anglo" would they have been put in prison? |
12 Feb 2007 11:35:19 AM |
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On Feb 11, 8:14 pm, wrote:
The reason they are in prison is because they were doing their jobs
too well and not allowing illegals to get through. IF the drug dealer
were a legal American citizen, Ramos and Campeon would not only have
their jobs but have been given a metal. They are in prison today
because our government is in bed with the mexican government.
Mexico and the USofA are friends and
friends help one another, However your
explanation of the Ramos/Campeon case
is far from true.
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