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"scott" |
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30 Oct 2003 04:54:55 PM |
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If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with 4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM you
people are whimps.
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| User: "Wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 07:03:27 PM |
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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The best way for management to avoid unions is to treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the union organizers away
who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Satisfied workers don't have a need to organize.
%%%% True but union organizer have a need to line their pockets with
dueS
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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01 Nov 2003 07:29:33 PM |
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"Wbarwell" <Wbarwell@munnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
news:3FA3339F.FFC08E3A@pacbelll.net...
David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
news:3FA32B09.96D53197@pacbelll.net...
The best way for management to avoid unions is to treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the union organizers
away
who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Satisfied workers don't have a need to organize.
%%%% True but union organizer have a need to line their pockets with
dueS
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
%%%% I've said before that it can be true but I've seen places where they
were treated decently go under after the introduction of a union.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
%%%% You are mistaken. I assume you are a union member who thinks he only
exists due to the good graces of the union stewart!!
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 08:49:47 PM |
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David Moffitt wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
%%%% I've said before that it can be true but I've seen places where they
were treated decently go under after the introduction of a union.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
%%%% You are mistaken. I assume you are a union member who thinks he only
exists due to the good graces of the union stewart!!
I am not a member. What is a stewart?
I assume that you thibk most of us would be better off without unions.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
02 Nov 2003 02:37:41 AM |
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they
have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea
might be true.
%%%% I've said before that it can be true but I've seen
places where they
were treated decently go under after the introduction of
a union.
That tells us a lot more about you than union
organizers.
%%%% You are mistaken. I assume you are a union member
who thinks he only
exists due to the good graces of the union stewart!!
I am not a member. What is a stewart?
A union stewart is one of the rank and file selected by the
rank and file to attend union meetings in behalf of the rank
and file. :-) Plus, the union stewart also talks with union
members who express a grievance and attend disciplinary
hearings with members who request such representation.
I assume that you thibk most of us would be better off
without unions.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 09:03:54 PM |
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
%%%% I've said before that it can be true but I've seen places where
they
were treated decently go under after the introduction of a union.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
%%%% You are mistaken. I assume you are a union member who thinks he
only
exists due to the good graces of the union stewart!!
I am not a member. What is a stewart?
I assume that you thibk most of us would be better off without unions.
%%%% At this time and age a lot think that way and society has made that
decision because "organized labor" is dying a slow painful death.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
02 Nov 2003 02:41:01 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
news:3FA470FB.F28902CD@pacbelll.net...
David Moffitt wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they
have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea
might be true.
%%%% I've said before that it can be true but I've
seen places where
they
were treated decently go under after the introduction
of a union.
That tells us a lot more about you than union
organizers.
%%%% You are mistaken. I assume you are a union member
who thinks he
only
exists due to the good graces of the union stewart!!
I am not a member. What is a stewart?
I assume that you thibk most of us would be better off
without unions.
%%%% At this time and age a lot think that way and society
has made that
decision because "organized labor" is dying a slow painful
death.
Let's see... if this thread is any example of what society
thinks, you side of the coin is losing as I see more posters
defending the US worker and/or the workers' rights to
organize than against them. Plus, given that unionization
has just begun in those 3rd world countries that US
companies have chosen for outsourcing, I'd say that age-wise
"organized labor" is in its 20s... not it's 70s.
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| User: "" |
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01 Nov 2003 07:11:44 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:03:27 -0600, Wbarwell
<Wbarwell@munnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
So what you are saying is that ALL "right wing turds" do ALL the
hiring and own ALL the companies?
Do any Liberals own companies? And if so wouldn't everyone want to
work for them??
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 07:32:39 PM |
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<mange@merde.com> wrote in message
news:avm8qv8odas27sej9dm02vat2alt21qo8t@4ax.com...
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:03:27 -0600, Wbarwell
<Wbarwell@munnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
If right winger turds treat their workers well, they have no problems.
Apparently you don't WANT to admit that simple idea might be true.
That tells us a lot more about you than union organizers.
So what you are saying is that ALL "right wing turds" do ALL the
hiring and own ALL the companies?
Do any Liberals own companies? And if so wouldn't everyone want to
work for them??
%%%% No liberals own companies because they don't have a union boss to care
for them and tell them how to think. Why would a union member want to become
the worst thing in their world----A business owner. What are hey going to do
go on strike against their self??
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| User: "" |
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01 Nov 2003 07:40:56 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:32:39 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
A business owner. What are hey going to do
go on strike against their self??
LOL. I could imagine a bunch of whining Liberals picketing outside
their own businesses with signs that say "I don't pay myself
enough!!!"
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| User: "Jim Riley" |
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04 Nov 2003 02:35:58 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:11:44 GMT, "mange@merde.com" <mange@merde.com>
wrote:
wouldn't everyone want to work
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Jim Riley
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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04 Nov 2003 10:37:09 AM |
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"Jim Riley" <jimrtex@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 01:11:44 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<mange@merde.com>
wrote:
wouldn't everyone want to work
--
Jim Riley
Jim,
I'm trying to figure out what you are attempting to convey
to us via your little snippets. What is it?
JoettaB
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| User: "James" |
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30 Oct 2003 07:53:57 PM |
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It's simple. They preach Utopia constantly but never come close to delivery
when they are in and preach Utopia again when they are out.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with 4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM you
people are whimps.
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| User: "BW" |
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30 Oct 2003 08:12:04 PM |
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It can be put much more simply, James - the Liberals (Democrats) are "full
of *****".
"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message
news:1067565399.352112@rh9cache2...
It's simple. They preach Utopia constantly but never come close to
delivery
when they are in and preach Utopia again when they are out.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own
companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with
4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM
you
people are whimps.
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| User: "Blutak" |
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31 Oct 2003 05:27:38 AM |
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It can be put much more simply, James - the Liberals (Democrats) are "full
of *****".
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gee, what do you call that if not name calling - analysis.
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"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message
news:1067565399.352112@rh9cache2...
It's simple. They preach Utopia constantly but never come close to
delivery
when they are in and preach Utopia again when they are out.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that
will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own
companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care
with
4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM
you
people are whimps.
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| User: "RedPill" |
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31 Oct 2003 09:03:19 AM |
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yea, things really sucked when Clinton was in office.
--redpill.
"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message
news:1067565399.352112@rh9cache2...
It's simple. They preach Utopia constantly but never come close to
delivery
when they are in and preach Utopia again when they are out.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own
companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with
4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM
you
people are whimps.
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| User: "scott" |
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30 Oct 2003 05:00:37 PM |
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Oops spelling funny ( I was on a roll )
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with 4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM you
people are whimps.
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| User: "none of the above" |
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30 Oct 2003 06:47:12 PM |
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"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
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Oops spelling funny ( I was on a roll )
Please stay off rolls.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own
companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with
4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM
you
people are whimps.
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| User: "Tim Petonia" |
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30 Oct 2003 05:06:25 PM |
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Nah it's alright. Your ignorant stupidity speaks for itself.
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:BuudnWd_N7KPBTyiRVn-uw@intertex.net...
Oops spelling funny ( I was on a roll )
"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:taudnabvlbIhCzyiRVn-hQ@intertex.net...
If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs and the ones that will
not
work for the ones we have now, why don't you all start your own
companies
and pay every one 50 to 200 bucks an hour and give free health care with
4
week of vacation. For crying out load be men or shut up. DAMMMMMMMMM
you
people are whimps.
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| User: "scott" |
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30 Oct 2003 08:59:58 PM |
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Just as I thought, none of the Liberals want to start their own company.
"Tim Petonia" <tepr@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RPgob.151$cs5.59@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
Nah it's alright. Your ignorant stupidity speaks for itself.
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| User: "Larry Kessler" |
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31 Oct 2003 12:57:16 AM |
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"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote:
Just as I thought, none of the Liberals want to start their own company.
At least one of us already has.
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| User: "B" |
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01 Nov 2003 11:04:49 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in news:VPDob.18246$ey1.1215
@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com:
"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Starkiller©" <NoSpam.Starkiller@White-Star.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:44:21 -0500, "JoettaB"
<joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote in
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"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote:
Just as I thought, none of the Liberals want to start
their own company.
At least one of us already has.
...three of us.
Is it a UNION shop? Do you pay your employees well, more
than the
average? Is profit second on your agenda and your
employees well
being first? Just curious.
Regards
Starkiller©
I am currently my own employee. But, if I am able to hire
additional employees (as I have in the past), they will be
paid the equivalent of union wages and benefits for their
field.
%%%% Why are you operating a non-union shop??
What are you operating a non brain body??
B.
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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01 Nov 2003 03:30:43 AM |
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"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in
message
news:3FA32B09.96D53197@pacbelll.net...
The best way for management to avoid unions is to
treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the union
organizers away
who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Satisfied workers don't have a need to organize.
%%%% True but union organizer have a need to line their
pockets with dues!!
Union organizers cannot organize if a certain % of employees
agree to call for a vote. Even then, union organizers cannot
make the majority of employees vote for a union. That is an
employee decision and it's generally based on how well the
employee believes his/her employer is treating him/her.
%%%% And after they unionize the worker has less money because of th union
dues. Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
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| User: "JoettaB" |
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01 Nov 2003 08:04:46 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in
message
news:3FA32B09.96D53197@pacbelll.net...
The best way for management to avoid unions is
to
treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the
union
organizers away
who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Satisfied workers don't have a need to organize.
%%%% True but union organizer have a need to line
their
pockets with dues!!
Union organizers cannot organize if a certain % of
employees
agree to call for a vote. Even then, union organizers
cannot
make the majority of employees vote for a union. That is
an
employee decision and it's generally based on how well
the
employee believes his/her employer is treating him/her.
%%%% And after they unionize the worker has less money
because of th union
dues. Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2003/09/22/daily1.html
Apparently due to the high costs of energy and scrap.
However, it does appear that as a result of tariffs, steel
production is up this year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2003/05/19/daily16.html
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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01 Nov 2003 04:06:55 PM |
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"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in
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David Moffitt wrote:
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in
message
news:3FA32B09.96D53197@pacbelll.net...
The best way for management to avoid unions is
to
treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the
union
organizers away
who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Satisfied workers don't have a need to organize.
%%%% True but union organizer have a need to line
their
pockets with dues!!
Union organizers cannot organize if a certain % of
employees
agree to call for a vote. Even then, union organizers
cannot
make the majority of employees vote for a union. That is
an
employee decision and it's generally based on how well
the
employee believes his/her employer is treating him/her.
%%%% And after they unionize the worker has less money
because of th union
dues. Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2003/09/22/daily1.html
Apparently due to the high costs of energy and scrap.
However, it does appear that as a result of tariffs, steel
production is up this year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2003/05/19/daily16.html
%%%% Why is it cheaper for the Japanese to buy our scrap steel ship it to
Japan process it and ship it back to America to sell for less than American
steel can be produced for??
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| User: "Larry Kessler" |
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01 Nov 2003 11:36:04 AM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
%%%%
What's with the %%%% in front of what you type?
Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
Why do you seem to think we don't?
http://steelprofiles.com/datacenter/worldstats/sts_pr_t.htm
Except for mainland China (four times our population) and Japan (only
about 6% more steel tonnage) we produce more steel than any other
country in the world.
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01 Nov 2003 09:26:49 AM |
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David Moffitt wrote:
%%%% And after they unionize the worker has less money because of th union
dues. Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
So now you are claiming that non-union workers bring home more money than
their union counterparts in similar jobs?
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 04:10:35 PM |
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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David Moffitt wrote:
%%%% And after they unionize the worker has less money because of th
union
dues. Why doesn't America produce much steel anymore?
So now you are claiming that non-union workers bring home more money
than
their union counterparts in similar jobs?
%%%% Personal expierence in my home town.
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 03:23:55 AM |
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"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote in
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"scott" <ezgoing@intertex.net> wrote:
Just as I thought, none of the Liberals want to
start
their own company.
At least one of us already has.
...three of us.
Is it a UNION shop? Do you pay your employees well,
more
than the
average? Is profit second on your agenda and your
employees well
being first? Just curious.
Regards
Starkiller©
I am currently my own employee. But, if I am able to
hire
additional employees (as I have in the past), they will
be
paid the equivalent of union wages and benefits for
their
field.
%%%% Why are you operating a non-union shop??
Do you want me to unionize myself? lol
%%%% Well you could strike for more money and benifits and stick it to the
management!!
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 09:46:16 AM |
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Allow me to post a few personal experiences. Most of my jobs in been
in sales.
My previous job was non-union and had a base salary plus commission.
Management brought in the dreaded consultants who decided to eliminate
salaries and give us a small increase in commissions.(There was no
advance notice of this). I would have had to quadruple my volume of
sales just to get what I was making before.After several reps left the
remaining to of us insisted on a return to salary with the implied
threat that we would leave. Management reneged.
A few months later they came up with a new plan that both eliminated
salaries and lowered commissions. The actual plan called for a higher
commission on the first sale from a new customers but a lower (80
percent less) on repeat sales. Common sense tells one that usually the
first sale from a new account is very small. I left shortly thereafter.
Had there been a union these thing would not have happened.
My job before that was commission only. We voted to go union and the
contract called for a base salary or commission . whichever was higher.
The owners were worried that sales people would get lazy and just depend
on the guarantee. In fact, sales went up. Since we all had a guarantee
there was no longer a need to try to get a potential big customer who
might to something next week to do a smaller sale that week.
When I decided too take a new job the company assured me that under
the contract any sales that I made before my last day would be paid
regardless of when the money came in. Months later they were still
sending me checks.
A long time ago I drove a taxi in New York. One time I was rear ended
while I was waiting at a red light. The next day the owner called me in
to go over the accident report. It was all facts and no threats.The old
timers told me that before we had a union a driver was sent home for at
least one day even if the accident was clearly not his fault.
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: If all you liberals are not happy with your jobs |
01 Nov 2003 03:28:07 AM |
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"JoettaB" <joetta_l_bragg@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
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The best way for management to avoid unions is to
treat employees
fairly.
%%%% The best way to avoid unions is to keep the union
organizers away who
seek to line thir pockets with dues.
Actually, that will only make your employees wonder why you
are keeping the union organizers away--what is it that you
are trying to keep them from getting--what is it that you
feel they might deserve that you aren't already providing
them.
%%%% A good wage where they do not have to line the pockets of thugs. I've
seen it happen in my town many times. A union comes in the plant organizes,
demand more money and the worker is left with the same amount of money after
he thugs pockets are lined. The next year they go on strike for more money
and the company goes under from lost product contracts.
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