Politics > Politics-USA > If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization, The Military Must Disobey
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01 Sep 2006 03:01:19 AM |
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If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization, The Military Must Disobey |
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orders Must Be Disobeyed, Even If They Are From The
President Himself.
August 31, 2006
U. S. Military personnel are legally obligated to disobey any
Unconstitutional orders, even if they are issued by the President
himself. If they follow an Unconstitutional order, they violate their
oath of office, and Department Of Defense officials face impeachment
and removal from office.
The United States Constitution gives the power to start a war to
Congress, not to the President. If the President starts a war without
Congressional approval, that is clearly an Unconstitutional act.
As enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is
given the exclusive power . . .
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
There has been more and more talk lately, regarding the possibility
that President Bush might order a massive air strike on Iranian nuclear
facilities and related targets. The supposed justification would be
something like, "Iran is disregarding the United Nations Security
Council and is working to develop nuclear weapons for terrorists to use
against the United States."
Where have we heard false statements like this before? In the lead-up
to our invasion of Iraq, of course! Congress fell for this argument the
first time, and tragically authorized the President to use force
against Iraq. Bush then stretched this authorization into the
self-inflicted fiasco we are now stuck with in Iraq.
But Congress is not likely to make this same mistake again, especially
since there is no immediate threat from Iran, as there supposedly was
from Iraq. So there will be no such Congressional authorization to use
force this time.
But what if Bush decides to go ahead anyway, without Congressional
authorization? He would falsely claim his bogus "inherent powers" to do
whatever he feels like doing as Commander In Chief "to protect national
security," whether Congress likes it or not. And then he would simply
order our Military to bomb Iran.
And I believe this is exactly what he is planning to do. But there is
something everybody needs to understand, before Bush tries to do this:
Any official of the United States Government - Military or Civilian -
who knowingly follows an Unconstitutional order, violates his oath of
office. Civilian officials are subject to impeachment and removal from
office. Therefore, each Military officer or other Government official
is legally obligated to disobey any such order that might come from
President Bush. And Bush himself needs to know this, too.
Here is the oath of office, below. Please note that each official
swears to "support and defend" the Constitution, not to obey the
President. The President must be obeyed only when he is following the
Constitution.
United States Code, Title V, Sec. 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths
required by law.
And here is the provision for impeachment and removal from office, as
given in Article II, Section 4 . . .
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, hall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Deliberately violating the Constitution - particularly in such an
important matter as starting a war - would be a "high Crime or
Misdemeanor."
Blessings to you. May God help us all.
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| Title: Re: If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization, The Military Must Disobey |
02 Sep 2006 12:20:40 AM |
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Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution has been blithely ignored by
both the Executive and the Legislative branch since the Mid 1950s. It is
Legislative Branch that must start an impeachment process. That bunch of
cowards are mainly interested in the staus quo of the power structure, not
in rights or wrongs.
Their billfolds and investments are the ultimate arbiters.
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| Title: Re: If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization, The Military Must Disobey |
01 Sep 2006 03:08:30 AM |
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Legally no, he can order military operations and even if they do
violate laws created by congress the military can only have one
commander and chief at a time.
The military must do what it is told, it must work that way.
What we learned in Iraq is that the military should engage the
government authority in a bit more debate. I used to work for DARPA
and when Clinton was around they seemed able to speak their minds.
Sadly most officers in the US Army are Republicans, they loved Bush and
after 9-11 supported him 100%. When he gave them a plan they
rationally could see was stupid they lacked the ability to see
themselves as Americans over Republicans and didn't raise as much stink
as they should have. Even Powell, after initial resistence, went to
the UN and sang a load of *****.
The US military has not been honoured by this war, certainly, but it
still stands miles above the civilian republicans, millions of whom
support the war, support Bush, are able to serve, are desperately
needed to serve, but do not.
explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orders Must Be Disobeyed, Even If They Are From The
President Himself.
August 31, 2006
U. S. Military personnel are legally obligated to disobey any
Unconstitutional orders, even if they are issued by the President
himself. If they follow an Unconstitutional order, they violate their
oath of office, and Department Of Defense officials face impeachment
and removal from office.
The United States Constitution gives the power to start a war to
Congress, not to the President. If the President starts a war without
Congressional approval, that is clearly an Unconstitutional act.
As enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is
given the exclusive power . . .
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
There has been more and more talk lately, regarding the possibility
that President Bush might order a massive air strike on Iranian nuclear
facilities and related targets. The supposed justification would be
something like, "Iran is disregarding the United Nations Security
Council and is working to develop nuclear weapons for terrorists to use
against the United States."
Where have we heard false statements like this before? In the lead-up
to our invasion of Iraq, of course! Congress fell for this argument the
first time, and tragically authorized the President to use force
against Iraq. Bush then stretched this authorization into the
self-inflicted fiasco we are now stuck with in Iraq.
But Congress is not likely to make this same mistake again, especially
since there is no immediate threat from Iran, as there supposedly was
from Iraq. So there will be no such Congressional authorization to use
force this time.
But what if Bush decides to go ahead anyway, without Congressional
authorization? He would falsely claim his bogus "inherent powers" to do
whatever he feels like doing as Commander In Chief "to protect national
security," whether Congress likes it or not. And then he would simply
order our Military to bomb Iran.
And I believe this is exactly what he is planning to do. But there is
something everybody needs to understand, before Bush tries to do this:
Any official of the United States Government - Military or Civilian -
who knowingly follows an Unconstitutional order, violates his oath of
office. Civilian officials are subject to impeachment and removal from
office. Therefore, each Military officer or other Government official
is legally obligated to disobey any such order that might come from
President Bush. And Bush himself needs to know this, too.
Here is the oath of office, below. Please note that each official
swears to "support and defend" the Constitution, not to obey the
President. The President must be obeyed only when he is following the
Constitution.
United States Code, Title V, Sec. 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths
required by law.
And here is the provision for impeachment and removal from office, as
given in Article II, Section 4 . . .
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, hall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Deliberately violating the Constitution - particularly in such an
important matter as starting a war - would be a "high Crime or
Misdemeanor."
Blessings to you. May God help us all.
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| User: "Jess" |
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01 Sep 2006 10:27:10 AM |
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If he'd be replaced with a more competant leader we wouldn't have this
problem. We need a leader everyone can agree with. We need to stop
rushing into military attacks that get our soldiers (also husbands,
fathers and bread-winners) needlessly killed.
rhooker123@hotmail.com wrote:
Legally no, he can order military operations and even if they do
violate laws created by congress the military can only have one
commander and chief at a time.
The military must do what it is told, it must work that way.
What we learned in Iraq is that the military should engage the
government authority in a bit more debate. I used to work for DARPA
and when Clinton was around they seemed able to speak their minds.
Sadly most officers in the US Army are Republicans, they loved Bush and
after 9-11 supported him 100%. When he gave them a plan they
rationally could see was stupid they lacked the ability to see
themselves as Americans over Republicans and didn't raise as much stink
as they should have. Even Powell, after initial resistence, went to
the UN and sang a load of *****.
The US military has not been honoured by this war, certainly, but it
still stands miles above the civilian republicans, millions of whom
support the war, support Bush, are able to serve, are desperately
needed to serve, but do not.
explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orders Must Be Disobeyed, Even If They Are From The
President Himself.
August 31, 2006
U. S. Military personnel are legally obligated to disobey any
Unconstitutional orders, even if they are issued by the President
himself. If they follow an Unconstitutional order, they violate their
oath of office, and Department Of Defense officials face impeachment
and removal from office.
The United States Constitution gives the power to start a war to
Congress, not to the President. If the President starts a war without
Congressional approval, that is clearly an Unconstitutional act.
As enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is
given the exclusive power . . .
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
There has been more and more talk lately, regarding the possibility
that President Bush might order a massive air strike on Iranian nuclear
facilities and related targets. The supposed justification would be
something like, "Iran is disregarding the United Nations Security
Council and is working to develop nuclear weapons for terrorists to use
against the United States."
Where have we heard false statements like this before? In the lead-up
to our invasion of Iraq, of course! Congress fell for this argument the
first time, and tragically authorized the President to use force
against Iraq. Bush then stretched this authorization into the
self-inflicted fiasco we are now stuck with in Iraq.
But Congress is not likely to make this same mistake again, especially
since there is no immediate threat from Iran, as there supposedly was
from Iraq. So there will be no such Congressional authorization to use
force this time.
But what if Bush decides to go ahead anyway, without Congressional
authorization? He would falsely claim his bogus "inherent powers" to do
whatever he feels like doing as Commander In Chief "to protect national
security," whether Congress likes it or not. And then he would simply
order our Military to bomb Iran.
And I believe this is exactly what he is planning to do. But there is
something everybody needs to understand, before Bush tries to do this:
Any official of the United States Government - Military or Civilian -
who knowingly follows an Unconstitutional order, violates his oath of
office. Civilian officials are subject to impeachment and removal from
office. Therefore, each Military officer or other Government official
is legally obligated to disobey any such order that might come from
President Bush. And Bush himself needs to know this, too.
Here is the oath of office, below. Please note that each official
swears to "support and defend" the Constitution, not to obey the
President. The President must be obeyed only when he is following the
Constitution.
United States Code, Title V, Sec. 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths
required by law.
And here is the provision for impeachment and removal from office, as
given in Article II, Section 4 . . .
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, hall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Deliberately violating the Constitution - particularly in such an
important matter as starting a war - would be a "high Crime or
Misdemeanor."
Blessings to you. May God help us all.
# # #
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01 Sep 2006 03:18:48 AM |
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this is a big misconception about the powers of the president.
yes, he is the commander in chief, but only AFTER CONGRESS HAS
DECLARED WAR.
the president CANNOT authorize military action until the congress has
officially declared war. he does NOT have the power as commander in
chief, until congress has declared war .
And the troops are sworn, not to uphold and defend the people of this
nation, not the president, but the constitution. They would be
dishonoring their oath to their country if they obeyed such orders from
the President.
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01 Sep 2006 05:44:54 AM |
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wrote:
yes, he is the commander in chief, but only AFTER CONGRESS HAS
DECLARED WAR.
Has Congress actually *declared* war since WWII?
Sure, the USA have participated in many wars and the President
has been *authorized* by Congress to use the military... but has
war *actually* been decleared? Did the US President at any time
tell the leaders of Panama, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea and whatever
that "a state of war now exist between the United States and (...)"...
as was done after Perl Harbour? (Besides, the UN should probably
also be involved between a declaration and the start of hostilities.)
Just curious...
-Koppe
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| User: "Christopher Helms" |
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01 Sep 2006 06:54:02 AM |
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Koppe74 wrote:
testingtesting24@aol.com wrote:
yes, he is the commander in chief, but only AFTER CONGRESS HAS
DECLARED WAR.
Has Congress actually *declared* war since WWII?
Sure, the USA have participated in many wars and the President
has been *authorized* by Congress to use the military... but has
war *actually* been decleared? Did the US President at any time
tell the leaders of Panama, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea and whatever
that "a state of war now exist between the United States and (...)"...
as was done after Perl Harbour? (Besides, the UN should probably
also be involved between a declaration and the start of hostilities.)
I believe he was authorized by Congress to use the military to root out
"terrorists." It didn't take long after that for the administration to
begin acting as though Iraq was Terrorism Central which, of course, it
wasn't. Not at the time, anyway. Come to think of it, I don't think
Harry Truman ever asked Congress for a declaration of war in Korea
because he knew he would never get it, so he found a way to sidestep
Congress. As for Vietnam, there's a great film called 'The Path To War'
which is about the early days of Vietnam. It's not exactly an action
film-in fact it's a little boring, but it's fascinating to watch
America sink, step by step, into the mess that was Vietnam. It's about
personalities as much as policies. The closest thing to a decleration
of war there was the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and everything just sort
of took off from there. As for Panama, I honestly don't know. Even when
Congress, the Constitution, clearly written laws and official policy
forbid presidents from doing things, they frequently find ways to do
them anyway. They invade countries that may or may not actually be
threats to us, they find ways to fund The Contras, they allow
assassination plots against Castro to proceed, they overthrow
democratically elected governments and God knows what else. Invading
other countries without congressional approval is almost
anti-climactic.
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01 Sep 2006 03:25:19 AM |
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Article I, section 8 of the constition states Congress has the power to
declare War.
As Bush said, after 911, bombing some country's buildings, 'is an act
of war'. Bush cannot take acts of war without a declaration of war by
the congress.
"First, I -- as I mentioned to many of your colleagues, we're facing a
different kind of war than our country is used to; that, two weeks ago
there was an act of war declared on America"
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01 Sep 2006 03:29:23 AM |
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here is the authorization by congress for the use of force in Iraq. To
disobey orders in Iraq, IS in fact, disobedience to the lawful congress
of the united states, and the will of the people.
congress would have to draw up and pass a resolution to authorize
force in Iran, and nobody has even drawn anything like that up yet, so
it's still aways off.
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of
Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002'.
SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS. The Congress of
the United States supports the efforts by the President to--
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all
relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him
in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure
that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and
promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces
of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate
in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions
regarding Iraq.
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the
authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall,
prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no
later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to
the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro
tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other
peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the
national security of the United States against the continuing threat
posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all
relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq;
and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the
United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary
actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations,
including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned,
authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on
September 11, 2001.
(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1)
of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section
is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the
meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this joint
resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS. (a) REPORTS- The President shall, at least
once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant
to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the
exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning
for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are
completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq
Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).
(b) SINGLE CONSOLIDATED REPORT- To the extent that the submission of
any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of
any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise
required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting
requirements of the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148), all such
reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the
Congress.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION- To the extent that the information required
by section 3 of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against
Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) is included in the report required
by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the
requirements of section 3 of such resolution.
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01 Sep 2006 07:26:15 AM |
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explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orde
Bush is running out of time in his presidency to start another war.
Trust him once we did in Iraq, but never again.
And, at least the house is going to the dems this fall.
.... so, he won't be able to play the same trick again as he did with
Iraq, ie, just to bluff them (the Iraqis), he needs a congressional
authorization...
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01 Sep 2006 08:02:44 AM |
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In article <MFVJg.2651$nN4.684@newsfe07.lga>,
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Order
Bush is running out of time in his presidency to start another war.
Trust him once we did in Iraq, but never again.
And, at least the house is going to the dems this fall.
... so, he won't be able to play the same trick again as he did with
Iraq, ie, just to bluff them (the Iraqis), he needs a congressional
authorization...
what does "Right to Life" mean to bush,
BTW . cheney is the prez.
--
"In the future you may be here, but will your dreams?"
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| User: "otto" |
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01 Sep 2006 10:44:54 AM |
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explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orders Must Be Disobeyed, Even If They Are From The
President Himself.
August 31, 2006
U. S. Military personnel are legally obligated to disobey any
Unconstitutional orders, even if they are issued by the President
himself. If they follow an Unconstitutional order, they violate their
oath of office, and Department Of Defense officials face impeachment
and removal from office.
The United States Constitution gives the power to start a war to
Congress, not to the President. If the President starts a war without
Congressional approval, that is clearly an Unconstitutional act.
As enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is
given the exclusive power . . .
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
There has been more and more talk lately, regarding the possibility
that President Bush might order a massive air strike on Iranian nuclear
facilities and related targets. The supposed justification would be
something like, "Iran is disregarding the United Nations Security
Council and is working to develop nuclear weapons for terrorists to use
against the United States."
Where have we heard false statements like this before? In the lead-up
to our invasion of Iraq, of course! Congress fell for this argument the
first time, and tragically authorized the President to use force
against Iraq. Bush then stretched this authorization into the
self-inflicted fiasco we are now stuck with in Iraq.
But Congress is not likely to make this same mistake again, especially
since there is no immediate threat from Iran, as there supposedly was
from Iraq. So there will be no such Congressional authorization to use
force this time.
But what if Bush decides to go ahead anyway, without Congressional
authorization? He would falsely claim his bogus "inherent powers" to do
whatever he feels like doing as Commander In Chief "to protect national
security," whether Congress likes it or not. And then he would simply
order our Military to bomb Iran.
And I believe this is exactly what he is planning to do. But there is
something everybody needs to understand, before Bush tries to do this:
Any official of the United States Government - Military or Civilian -
who knowingly follows an Unconstitutional order, violates his oath of
office. Civilian officials are subject to impeachment and removal from
office. Therefore, each Military officer or other Government official
is legally obligated to disobey any such order that might come from
President Bush. And Bush himself needs to know this, too.
Here is the oath of office, below. Please note that each official
swears to "support and defend" the Constitution, not to obey the
President. The President must be obeyed only when he is following the
Constitution.
United States Code, Title V, Sec. 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths
required by law.
And here is the provision for impeachment and removal from office, as
given in Article II, Section 4 . . .
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, hall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Deliberately violating the Constitution - particularly in such an
important matter as starting a war - would be a "high Crime or
Misdemeanor."
Blessings to you. May God help us all.
# # #
TOO LATE !!!
They already did give Congressional Authorization !
Remember, these are the guys that interpret words and
documents in the manner that suits them.
Recall "Serious Consequences"? It was a door big enough
for them to drive an invasion through.
H. Res. 921, In the House of Representatives, U. S.,
July 20, 2006 gives Bush all he needs to attack both
Syria and Iran. The House (and Senate) did everything
except take responsibility. The Congress gave over their
war powers rights to Israel. It is for Israel to declare war
on Iran and Syria for us. If Israel crosses the Syrian
border we, the US, are at war with Syria and Iran.
Long before we could ever begin to clean house of
Bush-enabler democrats we will be embroiled in two
or more horrific wars. I can't even begin to imagine it...
our fleet at the bottom of the Persian Gulf...our backs
to the wall such as we are "unexpectedly" "forced" to
go nuclear...what part does Russia play in the conflict?...
seriously on the defensive such as we can be no
deterrent to China invading Taiwan...
H. Res. 921 - look at it's timetable. It was pushed through
and passed
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HE00921:@@@X
at light speed.
Here is the index for 921
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Israel now owns our sons and daughters.
Congress gave over their War Powers to Israel.
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| Title: Re: If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,The Military Must Disobey |
01 Sep 2006 07:21:35 AM |
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explorerthedog wrote:
If Bush Orders The Bombing Of Iran Without Congressional Authorization,
The Military Must Disobey.
Unconstitutional Orders Must Be Disobeyed, Even If They Are From The
President Himself.
August 31, 2006
U. S. Military personnel are legally obligated to disobey any
Unconstitutional orders, even if they are issued by the President
himself. If they follow an Unconstitutional order, they violate their
oath of office, and Department Of Defense officials face impeachment
and removal from office.
The United States Constitution gives the power to start a war to
Congress, not to the President. If the President starts a war without
Congressional approval, that is clearly an Unconstitutional act.
As enumerated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is
given the exclusive power . . .
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
There has been more and more talk lately, regarding the possibility
that President Bush might order a massive air strike on Iranian nuclear
facilities and related targets. The supposed justification would be
something like, "Iran is disregarding the United Nations Security
Council and is working to develop nuclear weapons for terrorists to use
against the United States."
Where have we heard false statements like this before? In the lead-up
to our invasion of Iraq, of course! Congress fell for this argument the
first time, and tragically authorized the President to use force
against Iraq. Bush then stretched this authorization into the
self-inflicted fiasco we are now stuck with in Iraq.
But Congress is not likely to make this same mistake again, especially
since there is no immediate threat from Iran, as there supposedly was
from Iraq. So there will be no such Congressional authorization to use
force this time.
But what if Bush decides to go ahead anyway, without Congressional
authorization? He would falsely claim his bogus "inherent powers" to do
whatever he feels like doing as Commander In Chief "to protect national
security," whether Congress likes it or not. And then he would simply
order our Military to bomb Iran.
And I believe this is exactly what he is planning to do. But there is
something everybody needs to understand, before Bush tries to do this:
Any official of the United States Government - Military or Civilian -
who knowingly follows an Unconstitutional order, violates his oath of
office. Civilian officials are subject to impeachment and removal from
office. Therefore, each Military officer or other Government official
is legally obligated to disobey any such order that might come from
President Bush. And Bush himself needs to know this, too.
Here is the oath of office, below. Please note that each official
swears to "support and defend" the Constitution, not to obey the
President. The President must be obeyed only when he is following the
Constitution.
United States Code, Title V, Sec. 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths
required by law.
And here is the provision for impeachment and removal from office, as
given in Article II, Section 4 . . .
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, hall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Deliberately violating the Constitution - particularly in such an
important matter as starting a war - would be a "high Crime or
Misdemeanor."
Blessings to you. May God help us all.
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Bush will start WWIII by bombing Iran. Russia, China and the US
will be at war.
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