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"Harry Hope" |
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14 Apr 2006 09:10:47 AM |
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If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-you-liked-the-iraq-war_b_19097.html
04.14.2006
If You Liked the Iraq War, You'll Love the Iran War
By Cenk Uygur
If you liked gas at three dollars a gallon, you'll love it at five
dollars or more.
If you liked fighting 26 million people in Iraq, you'll love fighting
68 million in Iran.
If you liked turning Sunni Muslims against us, you'll love turning
Sunni and Shiite Muslims against us.
If you liked war in the Persian Gulf, you'll love war all over the
Middle East.
If you thought things were bad now, wait till Iran retaliates against
our air strikes by bombing Israel.
When Israel strikes back, the whole Middle East will have to get
sucked into the war.
And then the fun really starts.
Do any of you have any confidence that George W. Bush knows what he's
doing when he contemplates starting a war with Iran?
Do any of you believe he has carefully thought out all the
possibilities and has a plan for every contingency?
I don't care how Republican you are, that is an inconceivable thought.
No one could believe that's true.
The man who lost New Orleans and accidentally started a civil war in
Iraq is going to have a sound strategy for Iran?
Besides which, there is a very real reason why they actively don't
plan for these wars.
They don't want word of the worst case scenarios (or even realistic
scenarios) leaking out and providing a disincentive to go to war.
They think if they can convince people it will be easy, everyone will
go along.
If there is a discussion of realistic contingencies, it will be harder
to drive people into war.
That is why they so fastidiously avoided making plans for "post-war"
Iraq (I love that term, did anyone let the Iraqis know we're in the
"post-war" stage?).
If people realized how hard it would be to occupy Iraq and build that
nation from scratch, do you think they would have been as eager to go
in the first place?
The Rumsfeld strategy is to start a war with no planning and then
complain that you have the war you have, not the one you wish you had.
It's ironic because they do no planning specifically because they want
the war they wish to have.
Why do you think every retired general is screaming at the top of
their lungs to fire Rumsfeld?
The generals have seen the mess we made in Iraq up close and it isn't
pretty.
They realize these guys in the administration have no idea what
they're doing.
Right now, they're just getting a volunteer army and tens of thousands
of Iraqis killed, but if we have to fight the whole Middle East, it's
all of us who are going to be dying for their arrogant, foolhardy
mistakes.
By the way, is there anything more vile than a Republican telling you
that the kids who signed up for our volunteer army knew what they were
getting into, so they have no compunction about sending them into war?
Yeah, I guess they had it coming.
Bush is a proven liar.
Whether he's lying about biological weapons labs, leaks from his
administration or warrantless spying, one thing is for sure, he cannot
be trusted.
He has no shame in continually and aggressively lying to the American
people.
No one could have anticipated the breach of the levees?
Please.
Remember he said that after he sat through a long and extensive
warning about how the levees might be breached.
The man has no shame.
Would you trust George Bush to baby-sit your kids?
How sure are you that he wouldn't fall asleep, or accidentally drop
them on their head or forget to feed them?
How sure are you that when he screwed something up he wouldn't lie to
you about it afterward?
I wouldn't let him within a three state perimeter of my kids (and I
don't even have any).
And this is the guy we are going to trust to orchestrate a war against
a much bigger, savvier, more organized enemy?
What I find really laughable is that in his own head, George Bush
thinks he is chosen by God to lead America in perilous times, to bring
freedom to the world and to "save" Iran.
He reminds me of a kid who is convinced he is Superman.
He makes a cape out of napkins and jumps off the couch thinking he can
fly.
He crashes and cuts his head open.
But little Georgy is so dense he doesn't get the memo.
The next day, he's ready to jump again.
He's sure it'll work this time.
Bush is the amalgamation of all the hideous and sad parts of the
Republican Party.
He is a Republican Frankenstein.
He has the temperament of Barry Goldwater, the integrity of Richard
Nixon, and the brains of Dan Quayle.
And we trust this guy with his finger on the button?
God help us all if he bombs Iran.
And if you think he's not that stupid, you haven't been paying
attention.
He says the idea of bombing Iran is "wild speculation."
He also said we weren't wiretapping anybody without a court order.
He says we're trying diplomacy first.
That's exactly what he said about Iraq when we found out he was
planning for the war all along.
He says Iran is a gathering threat ...
Now, who do you trust more - George Bush or General Anthony Zinni?
General Zinni is the former head of US Central Command.
He said he saw no evidence of Iraqi WMD before the war.
He thought we didn't have enough troops to get the job done right.
And now he thinks going into Iran is an even worse idea.
Is there a single American who really believes George Bush knows
better than General Zinni?
George Bush is the kid who was born on third and thinks he kicked a
field goal.
The slow kid on the short bus wants to drive us into Iran.
Do you really want to go for that ride?
________________________________________________________
Harry
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
14 Apr 2006 08:06:03 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:10:47 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-you-liked-the-iraq-war_b_19097.html
Actually it's as much the Democrat's war as much as it
is Bush's war since they signed off on the obvious lies
and half assed excuses in Public Law 107-243 (the
authorization for the Iraq war)
I don't hear War Party # 2 front runner Hillary opposing
a preemptive strike against Iran yet......Do you suppose
that 30 million dollars already in her war chest has
anything to do with her position ?
--
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
John J. Mearsheimer
University of Chicago - Department of Political Science
Stephen M. Walt
Harvard University - John F. Kennedy School of Government
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011
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| User: "eddie" |
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| Title: Re: If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
14 Apr 2006 09:14:31 PM |
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can_o_worms wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:10:47 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-you-liked-the-iraq-war_b_19097.html
Actually it's as much the Democrat's war as much as it
is Bush's war since they signed off on the obvious lies
and half assed excuses in Public Law 107-243 (the
authorization for the Iraq war)
I don't hear War Party # 2 front runner Hillary opposing
a preemptive strike against Iran yet......Do you suppose
that 30 million dollars already in her war chest has
anything to do with her position ?
--
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
John J. Mearsheimer
University of Chicago - Department of Political Science
Stephen M. Walt
Harvard University - John F. Kennedy School of Government
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011
If Clinton had better aim when he bombed Baghdad in 1998 with 450 cruise
missiles, the war on Iraq would have been unnecessary.
Had Clinton done something after the islamofacsists nearly took down the
World Trade Center in 1993, the second attack on them on 9/11 would not
have happened. All he did was soil the oval office. Some response.
It's all BJ Clinton's fault. He was always thinking with his box.
Bush may be wishy-washy, but Clinton had bad aim.
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
14 Apr 2006 09:47:03 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:14:31 -0400, eddie <eddie@eddie.web> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:10:47 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-you-liked-the-iraq-war_b_19097.html
Actually it's as much the Democrat's war as much as it
is Bush's war since they signed off on the obvious lies
and half assed excuses in Public Law 107-243 (the
authorization for the Iraq war)
I don't hear War Party # 2 front runner Hillary opposing
a preemptive strike against Iran yet......Do you suppose
that 30 million dollars already in her war chest has
anything to do with her position ?
If Clinton had better aim when he bombed Baghdad in 1998 with 450 cruise
missiles, the war on Iraq would have been unnecessary.
Had Clinton done something after the islamofacsists
Oh cool !
Did you see my post : "Islamofascism for Birdbrains" ?
Well here is an excerpt:
The drive to make Islamofascist the term of choice in describing
America's Muslim enemies is meant to still U.S. debate about Israel
and, indeed, to limit questions about any aspect of U.S. foreign
policy toward the Islamic world. After all, why would anyone in their
right mind care what people think, unless they are blindly and
unthinkingly opposed to Islamofascism?
And here is the link :
http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=8827
nearly took down the
World Trade Center in 1993, the second attack on them on 9/11 would not
have happened. All he did was soil the oval office. Some response.
It's all BJ Clinton's fault. He was always thinking with his box.
Bush may be wishy-washy, but Clinton had bad aim.
Here is a talking point for ya:
It was Clinton who formalized a policy of regime change in Iraq
in '98 thus rendering UNSCOM inpections impossible and paving
the way for the invasion (probably why Bill and Hillary LOVE the
Iraq war).........and here is why:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Any of those names at the bottom look familiar ?
--
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
John J. Mearsheimer
University of Chicago - Department of Political Science
Stephen M. Walt
Harvard University - John F. Kennedy School of Government
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
15 Apr 2006 07:00:51 AM |
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eddie wrote:
If Clinton had better aim when he bombed Baghdad in 1998 with 450 cruise
missiles, the war on Iraq would have been unnecessary.
Had Clinton done something after the islamofacsists nearly took down the
World Trade Center in 1993, the second attack on them on 9/11 would not
have happened. All he did was soil the oval office. Some response.
It's all BJ Clinton's fault. He was always thinking with his box.
Bush may be wishy-washy, but Clinton had bad aim.
Oh it was Clinton Firing them Missiles..not the in military circles
globally agreed undereducated American Soldiers ?
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| User: "Just Looking" |
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| Title: Re: If You Liked Bush's Iraq War, You'll Love Bush's Iran War |
14 Apr 2006 12:10:57 PM |
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the suckerinchief is right now impotent-no political capital, no military
resources and trust, not a single international ally (UK used the word
"nuts" ref to any Iran attack plans and BerluSCUMi in Italy was taken down
by Italians, Howard in Australia is in a HUGE Iraq-related corruption
scandal), and no vision.
Him or a chimp on the same chair - no significant difference.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0dbv3219fiab98cpuuka7q7dbg6sopl40l@4ax.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-you-liked-the-iraq-war_b_19097.html
04.14.2006
If You Liked the Iraq War, You'll Love the Iran War
By Cenk Uygur
If you liked gas at three dollars a gallon, you'll love it at five
dollars or more.
If you liked fighting 26 million people in Iraq, you'll love fighting
68 million in Iran.
If you liked turning Sunni Muslims against us, you'll love turning
Sunni and Shiite Muslims against us.
If you liked war in the Persian Gulf, you'll love war all over the
Middle East.
If you thought things were bad now, wait till Iran retaliates against
our air strikes by bombing Israel.
When Israel strikes back, the whole Middle East will have to get
sucked into the war.
And then the fun really starts.
Do any of you have any confidence that George W. Bush knows what he's
doing when he contemplates starting a war with Iran?
Do any of you believe he has carefully thought out all the
possibilities and has a plan for every contingency?
I don't care how Republican you are, that is an inconceivable thought.
No one could believe that's true.
The man who lost New Orleans and accidentally started a civil war in
Iraq is going to have a sound strategy for Iran?
Besides which, there is a very real reason why they actively don't
plan for these wars.
They don't want word of the worst case scenarios (or even realistic
scenarios) leaking out and providing a disincentive to go to war.
They think if they can convince people it will be easy, everyone will
go along.
If there is a discussion of realistic contingencies, it will be harder
to drive people into war.
That is why they so fastidiously avoided making plans for "post-war"
Iraq (I love that term, did anyone let the Iraqis know we're in the
"post-war" stage?).
If people realized how hard it would be to occupy Iraq and build that
nation from scratch, do you think they would have been as eager to go
in the first place?
The Rumsfeld strategy is to start a war with no planning and then
complain that you have the war you have, not the one you wish you had.
It's ironic because they do no planning specifically because they want
the war they wish to have.
Why do you think every retired general is screaming at the top of
their lungs to fire Rumsfeld?
The generals have seen the mess we made in Iraq up close and it isn't
pretty.
They realize these guys in the administration have no idea what
they're doing.
Right now, they're just getting a volunteer army and tens of thousands
of Iraqis killed, but if we have to fight the whole Middle East, it's
all of us who are going to be dying for their arrogant, foolhardy
mistakes.
By the way, is there anything more vile than a Republican telling you
that the kids who signed up for our volunteer army knew what they were
getting into, so they have no compunction about sending them into war?
Yeah, I guess they had it coming.
Bush is a proven liar.
Whether he's lying about biological weapons labs, leaks from his
administration or warrantless spying, one thing is for sure, he cannot
be trusted.
He has no shame in continually and aggressively lying to the American
people.
No one could have anticipated the breach of the levees?
Please.
Remember he said that after he sat through a long and extensive
warning about how the levees might be breached.
The man has no shame.
Would you trust George Bush to baby-sit your kids?
How sure are you that he wouldn't fall asleep, or accidentally drop
them on their head or forget to feed them?
How sure are you that when he screwed something up he wouldn't lie to
you about it afterward?
I wouldn't let him within a three state perimeter of my kids (and I
don't even have any).
And this is the guy we are going to trust to orchestrate a war against
a much bigger, savvier, more organized enemy?
What I find really laughable is that in his own head, George Bush
thinks he is chosen by God to lead America in perilous times, to bring
freedom to the world and to "save" Iran.
He reminds me of a kid who is convinced he is Superman.
He makes a cape out of napkins and jumps off the couch thinking he can
fly.
He crashes and cuts his head open.
But little Georgy is so dense he doesn't get the memo.
The next day, he's ready to jump again.
He's sure it'll work this time.
Bush is the amalgamation of all the hideous and sad parts of the
Republican Party.
He is a Republican Frankenstein.
He has the temperament of Barry Goldwater, the integrity of Richard
Nixon, and the brains of Dan Quayle.
And we trust this guy with his finger on the button?
God help us all if he bombs Iran.
And if you think he's not that stupid, you haven't been paying
attention.
He says the idea of bombing Iran is "wild speculation."
He also said we weren't wiretapping anybody without a court order.
He says we're trying diplomacy first.
That's exactly what he said about Iraq when we found out he was
planning for the war all along.
He says Iran is a gathering threat ...
Now, who do you trust more - George Bush or General Anthony Zinni?
General Zinni is the former head of US Central Command.
He said he saw no evidence of Iraqi WMD before the war.
He thought we didn't have enough troops to get the job done right.
And now he thinks going into Iran is an even worse idea.
Is there a single American who really believes George Bush knows
better than General Zinni?
George Bush is the kid who was born on third and thinks he kicked a
field goal.
The slow kid on the short bus wants to drive us into Iran.
Do you really want to go for that ride?
________________________________________________________
Harry
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