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User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 22 Apr 2006 07:33:02 PM
Object: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva
Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.
Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.
Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.
A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.
I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.
In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.
There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.
But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years
from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled
almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.
(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)
The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.
But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.
It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.
The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.
By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.
Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.
In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.
Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.
Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.
--
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: "Maxwell Edison"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 11:33:49 AM
But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are God-given human
rights.
BTW, Blacks know this as much as Mexicans.
--
"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." - Johann
Goethe
.

User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 23 Apr 2006 02:50:53 AM
Did you mean to say:
Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva
Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.
Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.
---
Captain Compassion wrote:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years
from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled
almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.



.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 23 Apr 2006 01:53:50 PM
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:

Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.

That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.

Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years
from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled
almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.



--
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 03:17:12 AM
What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?
What process do you invision for them to become citizens?
How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.


That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.



Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years
from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled
almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.





.
User: "Hugh Gibbons"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 05:22:06 PM
In article <cQ%2g.2019$mZ3.803@fe05.lga>, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com>
wrote:

What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?

It would do nothing, because those who employ illegals DON'T CARE
that they are illegals. They just want cheap labor.

What process do you invision for them to become citizens?

Go back to their home country and get in line.

How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?

The raid the other day was a small start.
.

User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 10:56:09 AM
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:17:12 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:

What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?

Illegals wouldn't seek a card that's why they would remain. A
biometric cards would be given to all legal folks.

What process do you invision for them to become citizens?

Apply at the US embassy in their country of origin for the proper
papers and visa.

How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?

As long as there are taxes there will be a black economy. Both
citizens and non citizens will be a part of this.


Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.


That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.



Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years
from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled
almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.





--
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilizaton is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 05:46:06 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:17:12 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:


What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?


Illegals wouldn't seek a card that's why they would remain. A
biometric cards would be given to all legal folks.

What process do you invision for them to become citizens?


Apply at the US embassy in their country of origin for the proper
papers and visa.


How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?


As long as there are taxes there will be a black economy. Both
citizens and non citizens will be a part of this.

Untrue. Get rid of cash and it will disappear.



Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.


That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.




Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:


Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years


from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled


almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.






.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 24 Apr 2006 08:47:16 PM
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:46:06 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:17:12 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:


What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?


Illegals wouldn't seek a card that's why they would remain. A
biometric cards would be given to all legal folks.

What process do you invision for them to become citizens?


Apply at the US embassy in their country of origin for the proper
papers and visa.


How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?


As long as there are taxes there will be a black economy. Both
citizens and non citizens will be a part of this.


Untrue. Get rid of cash and it will disappear.

There will always be things of value to trade for other things of
value.
http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/
http://www.ebay.com/



Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.


That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.




Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:


Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years


from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled


almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.






--
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whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
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"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
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daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 25 Apr 2006 03:37:55 AM
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:46:06 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:17:12 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?


Illegals wouldn't seek a card that's why they would remain. A
biometric cards would be given to all legal folks.


What process do you invision for them to become citizens?


Apply at the US embassy in their country of origin for the proper
papers and visa.



How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business under
the table?


As long as there are taxes there will be a black economy. Both
citizens and non citizens will be a part of this.


Untrue. Get rid of cash and it will disappear.


There will always be things of value to trade for other things of
value.

http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/
http://www.ebay.com/

There are actually a lot of 'trading clubs' around - you can trade just
about anyting for just about anything - no cash, no taxes, no government.
But, you could argue that business have already paid taxes on what they
trade, so, once theirs, they can trade it without taxes, and therefore
no loss to the treasury.
However, things like the illegal drug trade would suffer under such a
change. No more buying nickel bags and the like.



Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:




Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to desplace
Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens -- people
who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of citizens.


That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.





Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt
to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:



Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that American
liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans had
worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt to
put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that are
routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age of
political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned, with
very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the street,
but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A naturalized
American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know I
obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was as
a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years in
teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal responsibility
improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights movement
of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the civil
rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the first
place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral practices
-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race of
people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming here
legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole race
of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five years


from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled



almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here by
simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal notion
that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every right
to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans. They
considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving African
flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have begun
carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest speeches
indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they speak
only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under the
law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and change
our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is special
rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent protesters
should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator to
take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were brought
here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came here
willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition. They
cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter and
the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of major
black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of the
civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they built
is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all, a
basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a vast
pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of blacks
by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission on
Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about the
adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the contractors
had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million or
more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their own
country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony if
such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the civil
rights of blacks.






.
User: "***** \GUM\ MACHINE"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right 26 Apr 2006 12:04:22 PM
Illegals are here
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Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:46:06 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



Captain Compassion wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:17:12 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:



What do you think about a biometric id card for ALL illegals?


Illegals wouldn't seek a card that's why they would remain. A
biometric cards would be given to all legal folks.


What process do you invision for them to become citizens?


Apply at the US embassy in their country of origin for the proper
papers and visa.



How should they start paying taxes instead of just doing business

under

the table?


As long as there are taxes there will be a black economy. Both
citizens and non citizens will be a part of this.


Untrue. Get rid of cash and it will disappear.


There will always be things of value to trade for other things of
value.

http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/
http://www.ebay.com/


There are actually a lot of 'trading clubs' around - you can trade just
about anyting for just about anything - no cash, no taxes, no government.

But, you could argue that business have already paid taxes on what they
trade, so, once theirs, they can trade it without taxes, and therefore
no loss to the treasury.

However, things like the illegal drug trade would suffer under such a
change. No more buying nickel bags and the like.



Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:50:53 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:




Did you mean to say:

Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Republican's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme in
the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that

American

Republicans thought they were entitled to bring in illegals to

desplace

Americans at lower wages in the work force, but now America is being
told by these very same business interests that illegal aliens --

people

who have no right to be here at all -- should have the rights of

citizens.



That's not exactly true. These businesses don't want these people to
be citizens. Why? Because if they become citizens they will want
things like minimum wages and benefits. Then the businesses will have
to fire them and hire illegals.





Illegal aliens and their business supporters claim this is a civil
rights issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable --

attempt

to put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal

aliens

have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars marching
down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.



---

Captain Compassion wrote:



Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right
Human Events ^ | April 21 2006 | Ian de Silva

Liberalism's delusions have reached their most ridiculous extreme

in

the protests by illegal aliens. It was ridiculous enough that

American

liberals thought they were entitled to things that other Americans

had

worked for and earned, but now America is being told that illegal
aliens -- people who have no right to be here at all -- should have
the rights of citizens.

Illegal aliens and their supporters claim this is a civil rights
issue. Balderdash. It is a desperate -- and despicable -- attempt

to

put a moral veneer on morally bankrupt protests. If illegal aliens
have a moral claim to civil rights, then a band of burglars

marching

down the street protesting tough burglary laws also deserve moral
respect.

Lest I am accused of being a racist or a xenophobe (epithets that

are

routinely hurled at conservative critics of immigration), I should
perhaps provide a few personal details. Ideally, the legitimacy of
your argument should not depend on who you are; rather, it should
depend on the logic of your argument. But regrettably, in this age

of

political correctness, you are presumed to have no credibility on
minority issues unless you are of a minority.

A Third World immigrant who went to a great deal of trouble to come
here legally, I arrived here as a lone young man, brown-skinned,

with

very little money and a thick foreign accent--but a legal arrival
nevertheless. I got my green card not by protesting down the

street,

but by waiting in line for years and obeying the rules. I never
received any food stamps or welfare checks. Not a dime. A

naturalized

American, I am extremely proud of my U.S. citizenship since I know

I

obtained it the right way.

I graduated from a historically black college. My first career was

as

a high-school teacher (math and physics), and two of my ten years

in

teaching were spent in a very poor, predominantly black district in
the South. There I saw intractable black poverty. I saw where the
civil rights struggles had made a difference -- and also where they
had made no difference whatsoever. I saw where personal

responsibility

improved lives, and where entitlement destroyed lives.

In any case, it is a shameless travesty of the civil rights

movement

of the 60s when illegal aliens claim that theirs is the latest
struggle in civil rights. This is very much like burglars claiming
that having to disarm high-tech alarms and breaking through
double-paned windows is the latest struggle in their line of work.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence whatsoever between the

civil

rights movement and the illegal alien protests of today. In the

first

place, that movement was the natural culmination of deeply moral
arguments made over three centuries against patently immoral

practices

-- first slavery, and then the forced segregation of a whole race

of

people.

But there is nothing in our laws that bars Hispanics from coming

here

legally. So it is not as if our immigration laws exclude a whole

race

of people. In fact, the number of Hispanics admitted legally is far
greater than that of any other race. For instance, in the five

years


from 2000 to 2004 inclusive, legal immigrants from Mexico totaled



almost 900,000 (890,953, to be exact), while immigrants from India,
the second highest, totaled 303,929. The trouble is that for every
Mexican who comes here legally, five of his compatriots come here

by

simply jumping over the border.

(By the way, immigration from historically high European sources --
e.g., Germany, Ireland, and Italy -- is very low now. For instance,
during the same five years, immigrants admitted from these three
countries combined totaled only 57,710. So much for the liberal

notion

that immigration laws favor whites over nonwhites.)

The civil rights movement was launched by people who had every

right

to live here. After all, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and other
civil rights pioneers were not foreigners. They were Americans.

They

considered America their homeland. They spoke English, and spoke to
the whole country. They did not march down the street waving

African

flags. They did not ask for special treatment from the law -- they
only asked for equal treatment under the law.

But illegal aliens have no right to live here. They entered our
country by jumping a fence in the dark of night. They are marching
down our streets waving Mexican flags. (Though many of them have

begun

carrying the Stars & Stripes in the more recent marches, they have
done this only after their own organizers told them about the bad
publicity generated by the Mexican flags.) As their protest

speeches

indicate, they take ethnic pride in speaking Spanish; thus they

speak

only to one another, alienating the vast majority of Americans. No
matter what they say, they are not seeking equal treatment under

the

law -- for if that is what they sought, they would have waited for
their turn in the immigration lines, as countless legal immigrants
have. They are asking for special treatment from the law -- that is
why they want us to just forget about their illegal arrival and

change

our laws to suit them.

It is a point worth repeating -- what illegal aliens demand is

special

rights. Perhaps the liberals who support these fraudulent

protesters

should read some history. Rosa Parks did not ask the bus operator

to

take a special route just for her; having waited in line, she only
asked that she be treated the same as other passengers.

The civil rights pioneers were descendants of people who were

brought

here against their will. But illegal aliens are people who came

here

willingly -- and willingly violated our laws. Theirs is not an
involuntary condition, as involuntary servitude was for blacks.
Illegal aliens chose to put themselves in the illegal condition.

They

cannot claim to be victims when their condition is self-induced.

By insisting that every American citizen be treated the same, the
Civil Rights Movement brought change that uplifted both the letter

and

the spirit of the law. But what illegal aliens seek is change that
will corrupt and destroy the law. In fact, if they get their Third
World way, America will eventually have no laws. There will only be
corruption and lawlessness just like in Mexico.

Given the fraudulent attempts by illegal aliens to arrogate civil
rights, it is puzzling indeed to see the conspicuous silence of

major

black organizations. These organizations, the putative trustees of

the

civil rights movement, are being spectators while the house they

built

is being ransacked by squatters. Their inaction is particularly
egregious considering that the people who will lose the most from
uncontrolled immigration will be poor, unskilled blacks. After all,

a

basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the presence of a

vast

pool of cheap alien labor will only exacerbate the poverty of

blacks

by depressing their wages.

In fact, the late Barbara Jordan, undoubtedly one of the best-known
black politicians of all time, who also chaired the U.S. Commission

on

Immigration Reform in the 1990s, was among those who warned about

the

adverse impact of cheap alien labor on blacks. She was hardly a
conservative, yet she advocated restrictions on immigration.

Here is a telling example from recent days. The Washington Times
reported that an Alabama employment agency sent 70 workers,
predominantly black, to work for contractors involved in the
rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina. The men were to be paid $10 per
hour. But they were sent home after just two weeks -- the

contractors

had found Mexicans who would work for smaller pay.

Such instances would be a routine occurrence if illegal aliens are
legalized. Once legalized, the ten million here could bring their
relatives, and the final influx could easily reach thirty million

or

more. Poor, unskilled blacks would be pushed out of work in their

own

country by people who have no roots here. It would be a cruel irony

if

such a plight were brought about by the inaction of the very
organizations whose self-proclaimed charge it is to protect the

civil

rights of blacks.






.








User: "B1ackwater"

Title: Re: Illegal Immigration Is Not a Civil Right