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"Melanie Rockyford" |
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04 Jan 2007 11:41:25 PM |
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Illegals to become eligible for SS benefits, and SOONER than Americans! |
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/04/gb.01.html
Next, the first 100 hours of Congress got under way today. They promised
to do, you know, the right thing. They`re going to dig right in to
working those big, big problems. They`re going to fix them, important
issues like ethics and minimum wage and stem cell research. Congress,
did I miss something here? Do you have your finger on the pulse of the
American people? I`m not really sure.
"The Real Story" is that, despite all of the election year promises,
illegal immigration, nowhere. Oh, it`s a huge problem, and our
leadership continues to ignore it.
Now, I know that most of us have very short-term memories, and it is
easy to lose passion on an issue when it`s not in the news every day, so
let me bring some of that passion back for you with a couple of
unbelievable stories that virtually no one else is covering, and they`re
certainly not talking about it in the first 100 hours of Congress.
First, a state government in Mexico is reportedly intending to hand out
portable GPS devices to illegal immigrants this year to help them arrive
safely in the United States. I`m not kidding you.
Apparently, the main illegal entry route into Arizona -- hey, wait a
minute, there`s Arizona again -- is actually so tough to navigate that
the Mexican government feels they need a little satellite help to get
there.
The state of Pueblo expects 200,000 people to take the devices this year
alone. And once they navigate their way here by turn-by-turn directions,
some of them will end up buying fake Social Security cards and IDs and
then using it to get a job here.
Now, in the course of that job, those illegal workers will pay Social
Security taxes, just like the rest of us, even though they have fake
accounts. But here`s where things get really insane: After breaking into
the country, using fake documents to get work, an illegal may soon be
able to actually claim those Social Security benefits.
A new agreement, if signed by the president, would allow an illegal
alien who subsequently becomes legal to claim benefits for the work they
did prior to becoming a citizen. Put it another way: We`ll ignore how
you got here, how you got your job, the fact that you, you know, went
and bought illegal documents, as long as you do the right thing later.
Are you outraged yet?
Well, try this on for size. What if I told you that, while most
Americans, you and me, we need 10 years of work to qualify for benefits
for Social Security, Mexicans will qualify within as little as 18 months
of work. Now, are you getting that rage back?
I hope so, because our leaders once again have proven that the only way
this insanity will end is through the will of the people. Steve
Camarota, he is the director of research in the Center for Immigration
Studies.
What is this bill?
STEVE CAMAROTA, CENTER OF IMMIGRATION STUDIES: Well, what it`s called is
the Totalization Agreement. It was negotiated with the State Department
and Mexico. And what it basically does is it gives people credit towards
collecting Social Security for work they do in Mexico and in the United
States.
So, if you worked in Mexico, say, for eight years and then came to the
United States and worked for two years, you could collect U.S. Social
Security benefits. And you`d want to, because our system is so much more
generous than theirs.
BECK: I mean, I can`t -- I mean, I just can`t even begin to understand
this. I`ve got to work for 10 years. You can qualify for as little as 18
months. I mean, this is handing candy out on the border, is it not?
CAMAROTA: Yes, now, basically we do have these agreements with other
advanced industrialized democracies that cover a small number of people
in which both programs are, you know, roughly comparable, quite
generous.
Mexico`s social security system doesn`t cover most of their workers;
only about 40 percent are actually covered. And it doesn`t give you very
much when you retire. So you really -- what you want to do is get a few
years in the U.S. of working so that you can file under the U.S. system,
because it gives you so much more and it gives it to you in perpetuity.
BECK: This is a subsidy for Mexico; that`s all this is. I mean, why
wouldn`t you come over the border in the middle of the night and work 18
months and be able to move back to Mexico and have our benefits here?
It`s not like Belgium. I believe we have like 300 people that we`re
doing this with, because you did mention that we have other treaties.
There`s like 300 people. How many people are we talking about with
Mexico?
CAMAROTA: Well, obviously, it covers an enormous number of people. There
are probably about 6 million, say, roughly speaking, Mexican nationals
working in the United States. About half of them are here illegally,
roughly speaking. So we`re talking millions of people. And we`re also
talking very low-wage workers.
So it`s kind of a threat to the whole Social Security system, because
you`re adding a whole lot of poor people who don`t pay a lot in Social
Security taxes to the system.
BECK: This is insanity. You know, I just saw a number -- and tell me if
this number is right, if you even have it -- I just saw a number on, in
2004, what we paid illegal aliens in tax refunds, 2004. Do you know this
number?
CAMAROTA: Yes, I believe -- the figure I`ve heard is about $10 billion.
That`s based on estimates that the Treasury Department has done itself,
$10 billion they paid back to illegal aliens.
BECK: That is insane. We`re paying them $10 billion, and we can`t arrest
them, we can`t even find them, we don`t even know -- $10 billion? And
now we`re giving them Social Security, one that we don`t need another
country to sabotage for us. We`re doing it ourselves. The whole thing is
going to collapse.
CAMAROTA: Yes, and what`s worse than that is, that the IRS issues them
tax I.D. numbers so that they can then file their income tax with their
false Social Security numbers so that we can give them their $10 billion
back.
BECK: OK, all right. So the last thing here -- let me just role play
here for a second. I`m an illegal alien. I have to now go to the
government and prove to the government that I have a fake I.D., that I
bought a fake Social Security card on the street in the black market,
and then the government rewards me for that, right?
CAMAROTA: Yes, in effect, sure. Once you get legal status, then you
apply for the credits that you earned while you were an illegal alien.
And the way you do that is like you said: You show your false documents.
You bring out your bogus tax returns, and so forth.
BECK: I`ve got to tell you, Steve, the whole world is upside down. There
are times I don`t even begin to understand it. Thanks so much.
CAMAROTA: Sure.
BECK: That is "The Real Story" tonight. If you`d like to read more about
this insanity or you have other insanity that you want to share with us,
please, visit glennbeck.com and share it at the "Real Story" button
right on the front page at glennbeck.com.
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IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
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| User: "bob9" |
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| Title: Re: Illegals to become eligible for SS benefits, and SOONER than Americans! |
06 Jan 2007 11:58:26 PM |
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"Melanie Rockyford" <spoofedatnospam@RockieFord.nte> wrote in message
news:Xns98AEE6D21BB7FspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/04/gb.01.html
What you say is a fact!
I have a friend who is literally unable to function, barely able to get to
work, and by noon she's almost mentally and physically gone. She has
crippling Lupus of the worst kind, attacking most of her organs. She has
worked 8 years, but unable to get any kind of her SS benefits, and will
probably have to quit. She cannot work any longer.
Meanwhile, local magazines\newspapers are actually boasting about how easy
we have made it for illegal aliens who have to work just 18 months and get
the same benefits denied to this US Citizen and mother of two.
This is why I rarely read NG's any more--too damn depressing, and it seems
nothing can be done about these injustices.
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| User: "Melanie Rockyford" |
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| Title: Re: Illegals to become eligible for SS benefits, and SOONER than Americans! |
07 Jan 2007 11:26:20 PM |
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"bob9" <b@hotmail.com> wrote :
"Melanie Rockyford" <spoofedatnospam@RockieFord.nte> wrote in message
news:Xns98AEE6D21BB7FspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/04/gb.01.html
What you say is a fact!
I have a friend who is literally unable to function, barely able to
get to work, and by noon she's almost mentally and physically gone.
She has crippling Lupus of the worst kind, attacking most of her
organs. She has worked 8 years, but unable to get any kind of her SS
benefits, and will probably have to quit. She cannot work any longer.
Meanwhile, local magazines\newspapers are actually boasting about how
easy we have made it for illegal aliens who have to work just 18
months and get the same benefits denied to this US Citizen and mother
of two.
This is why I rarely read NG's any more--too damn depressing, and it
seems nothing can be done about these injustices.
The government is selling this country down the tubes.
--
Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism yet?
Free video: http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: Illegals to become eligible for SS benefits, and SOONER than Americans! |
08 Jan 2007 03:17:06 AM |
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"Melanie Rockyford" <spoofedatnospam@RockieFord.nte> wrote in message
news:Xns98B1E4482362FspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
"bob9" <b@hotmail.com> wrote :
"Melanie Rockyford" <spoofedatnospam@RockieFord.nte> wrote in message
news:Xns98AEE6D21BB7FspoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/04/gb.01.html
What you say is a fact!
I have a friend who is literally unable to function, barely able to
get to work, and by noon she's almost mentally and physically gone.
She has crippling Lupus of the worst kind, attacking most of her
organs. She has worked 8 years, but unable to get any kind of her SS
benefits, and will probably have to quit. She cannot work any longer.
Meanwhile, local magazines\newspapers are actually boasting about how
easy we have made it for illegal aliens who have to work just 18
months and get the same benefits denied to this US Citizen and mother
of two.
This is why I rarely read NG's any more--too damn depressing, and it
seems nothing can be done about these injustices.
The government is selling this country down the tubes.
One more time.
This is a loe.
SS benefits can only be paid to people who have a LEGAL SSN and who have
LEGALLY paid FICA taxes for the required period (varies with benefit),
By definition, illegals do not have a legal SSN and have not legally paid
FICA.
Larry
--
Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism yet?
Free video: http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.
http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
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| User: "Psycho Dave" |
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| Title: Is there anything wrong with Jewish people in government? |
05 Jan 2007 06:54:56 AM |
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I can't help but wonder if you're a white supremacist. Only Neonazis,
Klansmen, and dumbass redneck trailer-trash is ever concerned about the
amounts of Jews in society.
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| User: "hopeful" |
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| Title: Re: Is there anything wrong with Jewish people in government? |
05 Jan 2007 07:13:45 AM |
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Read ex-President Carter's book for starters and then look who ran the
Vietnam war and why. Hint start with rostow and wohlstetter. Same thing
for the carnage in Iraq under the Bush gang being herded by the likes of
perle, feith, kristol and the rest of the agents of world Jewry.
"Psycho Dave" <psycho@weirdcrap.com> wrote in message
news:1168001696.065298.325520@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I can't help but wonder if you're a white supremacist. Only Neonazis,
Klansmen, and dumbass redneck trailer-trash is ever concerned about the
amounts of Jews in society.
A note, compound subjects are plural, above it should be "are" rather than
"is". You should leave your trailer more often.
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| User: "Psycho Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Is there anything wrong with Jewish people in government? |
05 Jan 2007 02:10:31 PM |
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hopeful wrote:
Read ex-President Carter's book for starters and then look who ran the
Vietnam war and why. Hint start with rostow and wohlstetter. Same thing
for the carnage in Iraq under the Bush gang being herded by the likes of
perle, feith, kristol and the rest of the agents of world Jewry.
So Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the other Whitehouse cronies have
nothing to do with the Iraq war? You do realize of course, that you are
arguing something that is totally counter to documented history.
And what do you mean by "the agents of world Jewry"? Are you promoting
another crackpot conspiracy theory?
A note, compound subjects are plural, above it should be "are" rather than
"is". You should leave your trailer more often.
But of course, all of your messages types on the web never have
grammatical errors or spelling mistakes, because you're perfect, right?
You may have more careful grammar, but your suggestion that Jews are
controlling wars or the world places you firmly in crackpot alley.
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: The Most Jewish Congress Ever - ROSNER - HAARETZ |
05 Jan 2007 03:51:53 AM |
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She is the first Speaker
to have Jewish grandchildren.
That's history.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/810011.html
Last update - 09:20 05/01/2007
First thought: wow. Second thought: oy
By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent
First thought: wow. Second thought: oy
Notes from the first day of
the most Jewish Congress ever:
it was an exhausting day of
celebration for the party
(you know which party),
the Jewish activists,
the new members.
43 Jewish legislators in Congress,
but who's counting?
Record
First thought:
wow, so many Jews in Congress.
A record number. 43. that's huge.
No wonder people are so exited about it.
Second thought:
isn't it too much?
Just 2% of the population
and 13 Senators out of
one hundred?
2% of the population
and 30 House members?
Aren't they going to draw
the attention of all the
anti-Semites,
conspiracy theorists,
Walt and Mersheimers of the world?
Maybe a lower profile would have been preferable?
Third thought:
is worrying the Jewish way
of celebrating or what?
As they used to say -
start worrying, details to follow.
Six
Six new Jewish lawmakers, all Democrats,
were sworn in today on Capitol Hill.
They come from different places
and from different background.
Some represent areas
heavily populated by Jews,
some areas with a negligible
number of Jews.
Will they thrive?
Will they survive?
Today they seem mostly
happy to be there.
Democrats
Did we mention all the new
members are Democrats?
29 out of thirty Jewish
members of the House are
Democrats,
9 out of 13 Jewish
Senators are Democrats,
two are independents caucusing
with the Democrats and two are
Republicans.
Those who attended the
National Jewish Democratic
Council reception today,
House majority leader
Steny Hoyer included,
will not forget this.
If you had any doubt,
most Jews are also still
Democrats
(not that anyone had any doubts).
Jewish
Nancy Pelosi became the
first woman speaker of the House,
but that?s not the most
remarkable thing about her
(if you ask NJDC).
She is the first Speaker
to have Jewish grandchildren.
That's history.
Women
And speaking about women,
the new member Gabrielle
Giffords is the
"first Jewish woman from Arizona" to be elected.
She is also, well, how should I put it?
It's always nice to be
reminded again that not
all Jewish legislators
are older, balder,
mustachioed man
(did I just make an anti-Semitic remark?).
Caucus
Some people think being
Jewish is fashionable now,
and maybe that's why so
many of them as their
representatives.
There's a reason to believe
that the colorful Giffords
("What is the most interesting
or unique thing no one knows about you?:
Either that I used to race motorcycles
or that I lived in a Mexican Mennonite
colony.
Not at the same time, of course")
can make it even more so.
She is engaged to an astronaut
(bald, mustachioed) and generally cool.
Maybe she ought to join
this new sub-caucus of cool
Jewish women legislators. Current member:
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
(who also had a reception,
attended by many Jewish
activists, yesterday).
Kosher
NJDC offered kosher food for
their guests, and that's not
very surprising.
But how about Hillary
Clinton making it kosher?
Nathan Diament of the Orthodox Union,
celebrating his new blog, was thankful.
It is a "clear mark of sensitivity", he wrote.
I wonder how is this going to work:
Diament is the lobbyist for the OU,
and now also a blogger.
Good lack Nathan,
that's a tight rope to walk.
Israel
Is it good for Israel to
have so many Jewish legislators?
The Israeli ambassador to Washington,
attending the NJDC reception,
got a warm introduction.
The Jewish legislators
are pro-Israel, they said.
And the Ambassador,
Salai Meridor said that
these are people who are
committed pay attention
to the order to America,
to the Jewish people and to Israel.
That's more than enough.
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| User: "ANON" |
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| Title: Re: The Most Jewish Congress Ever - ROSNER - HAARETZ |
05 Jan 2007 01:17:54 PM |
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"torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote :
She is the first Speaker
to have Jewish grandchildren.
Racist idiots. Go back to Africa!
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