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User: "Steely from Yokohama"
Date: 23 Mar 2007 08:27:32 PM
Object: Immigration threatens McCain bid
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131AP_McCain_Issues.html
Iraq, immigration threaten McCain bid
WASHINGTON -- Immigration and Iraq present opposite threats to John
McCain's presidential candidacy. The former could undercut his bid for
the Republican nomination; the latter, his chances for winning the
White House.
"Mistakes were made" in Iraq, the Arizona senator told Iowans one
recent afternoon. "But the fact is, we are where we are." He argues
that President Bush's troop-level increase must be given a chance to
succeed because failure will result in terrorism on U.S. soil.
Minutes later, he pivots to immigration.
"We need to secure our borders. That is our first priority," McCain
says as he calls for a temporary-worker program and a way to deal with
illegal immigrants already in the U.S. "We can't deport 12 million
people overnight."
As he campaigns, McCain explains his positions pre-emptively yet still
faces voters' questions. He did in Iowa and, to some extent, in New
Hampshire, during bus tours last week. He returned to New Hampshire on
Friday.
The two issues loom large in the 2008 race. As McCain seeks the White
House a second time, he is linked to both and each could affect his
candidacy.
Long a critic of the way the war was waged, McCain refuses to waver in
his support of the Iraq troop increase despite growing public
opposition to the four-year-old conflict that has claimed more than
3,200 American lives. His position plays well among GOP loyalists who
will choose their presidential nominee early next year; polls find a
majority of Republicans favor the increase.
"His Iraq policy will not hurt him with Republicans," said state Rep.
Jeff Kaufmann of Wilton, Iowa, who is neutral in the race.
Indeed, at a standing-room-only Elk's Lodge in Mason City, McCain gave
his take on the war to a hushed audience. Some people nodded in
agreement as he spoke. Those who asked questions on Iraq or commented
about it tended not to challenge his stance.
"My complaint is the cut-and-run politicians in Washington. I think we
have to stay in and win this thing," Jim O'Brien, a veteran of two
wars, told McCain as the crowd responded with hearty applause.
"I agree with him," Scott Tornquist, a Mason City councilman, said
later of McCain. "There were mistakes that we made, and he
acknowledged that, and I appreciated that."
McCain likely would get a cooler reception if he made the same pitch
in a general election, where he would be seeking to win over
Republicans as well as independents and, perhaps, Democrats. Polls
show about two-thirds of people in the U.S. oppose the additional
combat troops.
The senator is keenly aware he may be risking the presidency with his
position, but says: "I would rather lose a campaign than lose a war."
Immigration presents a different problem for McCain.
The GOP is fiercely divided on the issue.
Hard-line conservatives demand tougher border security and shun all
other proposals.
Other Republicans argue for "comprehensive reform." This approach
would pair more secure borders with a temporary-worker program while
providing an eventual path to citizenship for some of the country's 12
million illegal immigrants.
McCain takes the latter view. He has been among those senators leading
an effort to get broad legislation passed.
Polls show that two of three people in the U.S. back comprehensive
legislation. Roughly the same percentage of Republicans do, too.
[Steely: That is not what the honest polling says, but this is a
Seattle newspaper, what do you expect.]
Nevertheless, McCain's stance could hinder his chances of winning the
GOP nomination because the path starts in Iowa where passions flare
over immigration.
"McCain will not win in Iowa because of immigration. He's a liberal on
it," said Larry Smith, a state GOP committeeman from Truro, Iowa, who
is not aligned with a candidate.
McCain, obviously, disputes that characterization. "I think overall,
most Americans realize we have to have a practical approach," he told
reporters.
Yet, at every campaign stop in the state, people in the GOP-leaning
audiences expressed their frustration - and sometimes outright anger -
about what they call a lack of federal action to stop illegal
immigration.
"I want to know, on behalf of other veterans, why we are not
protecting our border at all? It is a joke," Jeff Heiden, an Iraq
veteran from Marshalltown, Iowa, told McCain at a question-and-answer
session at an Ames hotel.
McCain reiterated his position. "I was not satisfied," Heiden told
reporters afterward.
Hours later, a man in Mason City told McCain: "For people just coming
across, they should not expect to receive the benefits of this country
without first having to go through the law and procedures to be a U.S.
citizen."
The next day in Cedar Falls, another man added: "You're from Arizona,
and I don't think that I ever really heard you getting real serious
about doing something about the immigration problem."
Just before leaving Iowa, McCain expressed surprise at the intensity
of the issue. "Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than
in almost any place I've been," he said at a news conference.
Then McCain, who has favored allowing some illegal immigrants to
become citizens without leaving the U.S., indicated that to get
legislation passed, he was willing to look more closely at a proposal
that would require them to return to their native country before
applying for citizenship.
The proposal by GOP Rep. Mike Pence, a conservative from Indiana, is
not one McCain has been open to in the past. But it is one that could
help him score points with the conservatives he needs to become the
Republican nominee.
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User: "Lets Roll"

Title: Re: Immigration threatens McCain bid 24 Mar 2007 07:32:44 AM
"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131AP_McCain_Issues.html

Iraq, immigration threaten McCain bid

WASHINGTON -- Immigration and Iraq present opposite threats to John
McCain's presidential candidacy. The former could undercut his bid for
the Republican nomination; the latter, his chances for winning the
White House.

"Mistakes were made" in Iraq, the Arizona senator told Iowans one
recent afternoon. "But the fact is, we are where we are." He argues
that President Bush's troop-level increase must be given a chance to
succeed because failure will result in terrorism on U.S. soil.

Minutes later, he pivots to immigration.

"We need to secure our borders. That is our first priority," McCain
says as he calls for a temporary-worker program and a way to deal with
illegal immigrants already in the U.S. "We can't deport 12 million
people overnight."

Mexico did.
.

User: "Iconoclast"

Title: Re: Immigration threatens McCain bid 23 Mar 2007 10:18:20 PM
"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
news:p7290318a6ncugjqm5qb52bgfdhf96u835@4ax.com...


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131AP_McCain_Issues.html

Iraq, immigration threaten McCain bid

WASHINGTON -- Immigration and Iraq present opposite threats to John
McCain's presidential candidacy. The former could undercut his bid for
the Republican nomination; the latter, his chances for winning the
White House.

"Mistakes were made" in Iraq, the Arizona senator told Iowans one
recent afternoon. "But the fact is, we are where we are." He argues
that President Bush's troop-level increase must be given a chance to
succeed because failure will result in terrorism on U.S. soil.

Minutes later, he pivots to immigration.

"We need to secure our borders. That is our first priority," McCain
says as he calls for a temporary-worker program and a way to deal with
illegal immigrants already in the U.S. "We can't deport 12 million
people overnight."

As he campaigns, McCain explains his positions pre-emptively yet still
faces voters' questions. He did in Iowa and, to some extent, in New
Hampshire, during bus tours last week. He returned to New Hampshire on
Friday.

The two issues loom large in the 2008 race. As McCain seeks the White
House a second time, he is linked to both and each could affect his
candidacy.

Long a critic of the way the war was waged, McCain refuses to waver in
his support of the Iraq troop increase despite growing public
opposition to the four-year-old conflict that has claimed more than
3,200 American lives. His position plays well among GOP loyalists who
will choose their presidential nominee early next year; polls find a
majority of Republicans favor the increase.

"His Iraq policy will not hurt him with Republicans," said state Rep.
Jeff Kaufmann of Wilton, Iowa, who is neutral in the race.

Indeed, at a standing-room-only Elk's Lodge in Mason City, McCain gave
his take on the war to a hushed audience. Some people nodded in
agreement as he spoke. Those who asked questions on Iraq or commented
about it tended not to challenge his stance.

"My complaint is the cut-and-run politicians in Washington. I think we
have to stay in and win this thing," Jim O'Brien, a veteran of two
wars, told McCain as the crowd responded with hearty applause.

"I agree with him," Scott Tornquist, a Mason City councilman, said
later of McCain. "There were mistakes that we made, and he
acknowledged that, and I appreciated that."

McCain likely would get a cooler reception if he made the same pitch
in a general election, where he would be seeking to win over
Republicans as well as independents and, perhaps, Democrats. Polls
show about two-thirds of people in the U.S. oppose the additional
combat troops.

The senator is keenly aware he may be risking the presidency with his
position, but says: "I would rather lose a campaign than lose a war."

Immigration presents a different problem for McCain.

The GOP is fiercely divided on the issue.

Hard-line conservatives demand tougher border security and shun all
other proposals.

Other Republicans argue for "comprehensive reform." This approach
would pair more secure borders with a temporary-worker program while
providing an eventual path to citizenship for some of the country's 12
million illegal immigrants.

McCain takes the latter view. He has been among those senators leading
an effort to get broad legislation passed.

Polls show that two of three people in the U.S. back comprehensive
legislation. Roughly the same percentage of Republicans do, too.

[Steely: That is not what the honest polling says, but this is a
Seattle newspaper, what do you expect.]

Nevertheless, McCain's stance could hinder his chances of winning the
GOP nomination because the path starts in Iowa where passions flare
over immigration.

"McCain will not win in Iowa because of immigration. He's a liberal on
it," said Larry Smith, a state GOP committeeman from Truro, Iowa, who
is not aligned with a candidate.

McCain, obviously, disputes that characterization. "I think overall,
most Americans realize we have to have a practical approach," he told
reporters.

Yet, at every campaign stop in the state, people in the GOP-leaning
audiences expressed their frustration - and sometimes outright anger -
about what they call a lack of federal action to stop illegal
immigration.

"I want to know, on behalf of other veterans, why we are not
protecting our border at all? It is a joke," Jeff Heiden, an Iraq
veteran from Marshalltown, Iowa, told McCain at a question-and-answer
session at an Ames hotel.

McCain reiterated his position. "I was not satisfied," Heiden told
reporters afterward.

Hours later, a man in Mason City told McCain: "For people just coming
across, they should not expect to receive the benefits of this country
without first having to go through the law and procedures to be a U.S.
citizen."

The next day in Cedar Falls, another man added: "You're from Arizona,
and I don't think that I ever really heard you getting real serious
about doing something about the immigration problem."

Just before leaving Iowa, McCain expressed surprise at the intensity
of the issue. "Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than
in almost any place I've been," he said at a news conference.

Then McCain, who has favored allowing some illegal immigrants to
become citizens without leaving the U.S., indicated that to get
legislation passed, he was willing to look more closely at a proposal
that would require them to return to their native country before
applying for citizenship.

The proposal by GOP Rep. Mike Pence, a conservative from Indiana, is
not one McCain has been open to in the past. But it is one that could
help him score points with the conservatives he needs to become the
Republican nominee.

-----------------

McCain is another Grey Davis. Everyone knows his pro-illegal alien track
record and what he means by "a practical approach." Fool us twice and shame
on us. He's a Manchurian Candidate and one of the Keating Five.
.

User: "AnAmericanCitizen"

Title: Re: Immigration threatens McCain bid 23 Mar 2007 11:02:32 PM
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:27:32 GMT, Steely from Yokohama
<was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote:

"We need to secure our borders. That is our first priority," McCain
says as he calls for a temporary-worker program and a way to deal with
illegal immigrants already in the U.S. "We can't deport 12 million
people overnight."

We're not asking for it to be done overnight.....a couple weeks, a few months, six
months....that would work......AAC
"The American people have been arrogantly ignored."
Senator Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama

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