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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 22 Apr 2007 08:36:00 PM
Object: Impact of global warming looms on the horizon
Impact of global warming looms on the horizon
By Glenn Shaw
Published April 22, 2007
http://newsminer.com/2007/04/22/6603
In the 1970s as a young scientist at the Geophysical Institute I wrote
passionate letters complaining that for the first time in the geologic
era man was changing the atmosphere of the planet. I argued that
continued dumping of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would be
associated with a warming of the entire Earth and pled for attention
to this matter. The letters were ignored.
They were ignored because in the 1970’s Newsweek, the Christian
Science Monitor, the New York Times and countless books and articles
were warning of the dangers of global cooling.
Things have changed. Global warming is now being noted, and I in the
meantime have become a little skeptical about some of the claims being
put forth. I’m skeptical despite the fact that “everybody knows that
the science is in.” The science isn’t even close to being in.
A significantly large fraction of the science being done on global
climate change is perhaps not wrong, but not enough, a little na?ve,
repetitive and incorporating only a fraction of the complexity
required to base policy on. Though we scientists don’t advertise it
much, science is often muddled when it is working on difficult new
problems and most especially when the problems start to become
political. And the issue of global warming has become massively
political. Special interests abound. Try getting funding while being a
skeptic.
There are many instances in which so-called objective science became
crossed up in early investigations. Science advances in paradigm
shifts and by falsification. One paradigm shift was made a century ago
when Arrenhius discovered that carbon dioxide was warming the earth.
Another was made by Twomey twenty years ago; he discovered that
pollution affects clouds and rain distribution in ways that promote
cooling and though the underlying physics is valid, we know little
about it and clouds are poorly parameterized in models.
Let me illustrate how viewpoints on “global climate” can suddenly
shift by sharing a few personal examples. Thirty years ago there was a
strong consensus when my colleague Ken Rahn and I discovered that the
entire arctic’s air mass is contaminated. Up to that point “everybody
knew” that the arctic air mass was the cleanest in the world,
especially in winter. All the electronic computer modelers had that
fact incorporated. Quite the opposite proved to be true. Now we
understand that arctic haze is the largest contamination cloud on the
planet, so large it could be noticed from Mars. It also has a larger
impact on arctic climate than carbon dioxide.
Nor was there consensus, in fact there was a great deal of hostility,
when I wrote a paper in 1979, proposing that desert dust blown into
the air over the Gobi Desert crosses the Pacific Ocean and makes its
way to the Hawaiian Islands. This was an unpopular idea and it made a
lot of people angry. One reviewer even wrote, “this idea is obviously
erroneous and I reject the paper unequivocally.”
But in spite of that, we got the paper published and now we realize
that the dust not only commonly reaches Hawaii, but California and
Alaska also. Additionally, this dust contains pollutants in increasing
amounts as China expands its industrial activities. The dust impacts
climate. None of these things are in the models. These are two
examples on which virtually the whole science community had adopted
wrong ideas.
There is much more in climate science that we simply do not
understand. Believe it or not, nobody has any sustainable theory,
other than a few clues, about the causes of the ice ages. They are
resonant with some of the orbital movements of the planets, but only
roughly so and other things are going on that cause and end these
spectacular events. We do not know.
I wish to end this column in a way that may surprise you. In spite of
my slight skepticism, global-scale impacts are indeed beginning to
loom. We are perturbing Earth’s cloud cover with human-induced
condensation nuclei and over exploiting. Concern about the environment
is needed and is a clarion call now adopted by increasing numbers of
the world’s great spiritual leaders. The interest in “global warming”
might yet prove to be a good cause if its end result is promoting
conservation and better stewardsmanship of this gorgeous planet.
Glenn Shaw is an atmospheric scientist specializing in global
environmental feedback mechanisms. He is a professor of physics at the
Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.

User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

Title: Re: Impact of global warming looms on the horizon 22 Apr 2007 11:12:25 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

Impact of global warming looms on the horizon
By Glenn Shaw
Published April 22, 2007
http://newsminer.com/2007/04/22/6603

In the 1970s as a young scientist at the Geophysical Institute I wrote
passionate letters complaining that for the first time in the geologic
era man was changing the atmosphere of the planet. I argued that
continued dumping of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would be
associated with a warming of the entire Earth and pled for attention
to this matter. The letters were ignored.

They were ignored because in the 1970’s Newsweek, the Christian
Science Monitor, the New York Times and countless books and articles
were warning of the dangers of global cooling.

Things have changed. Global warming is now being noted, and I in the
meantime have become a little skeptical about some of the claims being
put forth. I’m skeptical despite the fact that “everybody knows that
the science is in.” The science isn’t even close to being in.

A significantly large fraction of the science being done on global
climate change is perhaps not wrong, but not enough, a little na?ve,
repetitive and incorporating only a fraction of the complexity
required to base policy on. Though we scientists don’t advertise it
much, science is often muddled when it is working on difficult new
problems and most especially when the problems start to become
political. And the issue of global warming has become massively
political. Special interests abound. Try getting funding while being a
skeptic.

There are many instances in which so-called objective science became
crossed up in early investigations. Science advances in paradigm
shifts and by falsification. One paradigm shift was made a century ago
when Arrenhius discovered that carbon dioxide was warming the earth.
Another was made by Twomey twenty years ago; he discovered that
pollution affects clouds and rain distribution in ways that promote
cooling and though the underlying physics is valid, we know little
about it and clouds are poorly parameterized in models.

Let me illustrate how viewpoints on “global climate” can suddenly
shift by sharing a few personal examples. Thirty years ago there was a
strong consensus when my colleague Ken Rahn and I discovered that the
entire arctic’s air mass is contaminated. Up to that point “everybody
knew” that the arctic air mass was the cleanest in the world,
especially in winter. All the electronic computer modelers had that
fact incorporated. Quite the opposite proved to be true. Now we
understand that arctic haze is the largest contamination cloud on the
planet, so large it could be noticed from Mars. It also has a larger
impact on arctic climate than carbon dioxide.

Nor was there consensus, in fact there was a great deal of hostility,
when I wrote a paper in 1979, proposing that desert dust blown into
the air over the Gobi Desert crosses the Pacific Ocean and makes its
way to the Hawaiian Islands. This was an unpopular idea and it made a
lot of people angry. One reviewer even wrote, “this idea is obviously
erroneous and I reject the paper unequivocally.”

But in spite of that, we got the paper published and now we realize
that the dust not only commonly reaches Hawaii, but California and
Alaska also. Additionally, this dust contains pollutants in increasing
amounts as China expands its industrial activities. The dust impacts
climate. None of these things are in the models. These are two
examples on which virtually the whole science community had adopted
wrong ideas.

There is much more in climate science that we simply do not
understand. Believe it or not, nobody has any sustainable theory,
other than a few clues, about the causes of the ice ages. They are
resonant with some of the orbital movements of the planets, but only
roughly so and other things are going on that cause and end these
spectacular events. We do not know.

I wish to end this column in a way that may surprise you. In spite of
my slight skepticism, global-scale impacts are indeed beginning to
loom. We are perturbing Earth’s cloud cover with human-induced
condensation nuclei and over exploiting. Concern about the environment
is needed and is a clarion call now adopted by increasing numbers of
the world’s great spiritual leaders. The interest in “global warming”
might yet prove to be a good cause if its end result is promoting
conservation and better stewardsmanship of this gorgeous planet.

The answer is to lower speed limits and phase out the gas guzzlers. No
non-commercial highway vehicle should weigh more that 3000 pounds. And
the speed criminals should pay $1000 per each mph over the limit.
.

User: "Governor Swill"

Title: Re: Impact of global warming looms on the horizon 22 Apr 2007 09:15:49 PM
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:36:00 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:

Impact of global warming looms on the horizon
By Glenn Shaw
Published April 22, 2007
http://newsminer.com/2007/04/22/6603

In the 1970s as a young scientist at the Geophysical Institute I wrote
passionate letters complaining that for the first time in the geologic
era man was changing the atmosphere of the planet. I argued that
continued dumping of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would be
associated with a warming of the entire Earth and pled for attention
to this matter. The letters were ignored.

They were ignored because in the 1970’s Newsweek, the Christian
Science Monitor, the New York Times and countless books and articles
were warning of the dangers of global cooling.

Things have changed. Global warming is now being noted, and I in the
meantime have become a little skeptical about some of the claims being
put forth. I’m skeptical despite the fact that “everybody knows that
the science is in.” The science isn’t even close to being in.

Which makes your protestations in the 70s irrelevant. We have global
warming because we took on the problem of global cooling. Unless you
have beachfront property, warmer is usually better.
Swill
Venus by the Lake
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070414.html
From: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Impact of global warming looms on the horizon 22 Apr 2007 10:30:09 PM
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:15:49 -0400, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:36:00 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:

Impact of global warming looms on the horizon
By Glenn Shaw
Published April 22, 2007
http://newsminer.com/2007/04/22/6603

In the 1970s as a young scientist at the Geophysical Institute I wrote
passionate letters complaining that for the first time in the geologic
era man was changing the atmosphere of the planet. I argued that
continued dumping of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would be
associated with a warming of the entire Earth and pled for attention
to this matter. The letters were ignored.

They were ignored because in the 1970’s Newsweek, the Christian
Science Monitor, the New York Times and countless books and articles
were warning of the dangers of global cooling.

Things have changed. Global warming is now being noted, and I in the
meantime have become a little skeptical about some of the claims being
put forth. I’m skeptical despite the fact that “everybody knows that
the science is in.” The science isn’t even close to being in.


Which makes your protestations in the 70s irrelevant. We have global
warming because we took on the problem of global cooling. Unless you
have beachfront property, warmer is usually better.

If previous interglacial periods are any indication within the next
3,000 to 7,000 years the Greenland Ice Cap should retreat
significantly causing an mean sea level rise of a little less than 30
feet. Plan your real estate investments accordingly.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.



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