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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:58:46 +1100, "Malto"
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Doug Says: Facts are facts Malto. Do you dispute them?

No, I'm just wondering how come you haven't notified the
Whitehouse that

you

have found Saddams WMD, you fucking loon.

I don't know if the Iraqis under Saddam's rule had the means
to build an effective stockpile of WMDs, but they certainly
were
trying.

Oh really...says who?

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WMD FOUND IN IRAQ-SO FAR

(Prior to reading this post note that I have updated it. I
have not included the 500 tons of WMD that Libya

due to our removal of Saddam, nor have I included any of

information that will be released in October 2004 that

address Saddam's missing WMD with more specificity. I also
have not included the testimony from Dr. Loftus in respect
to
the evidence they found that proves irrefutably that

moved some of his WMD into Syria and Lebanon.)



Mobile Biological Weapon Labs: Secretary Powell presented

the U.N. security council a detailed description, along

direct testimony from Iraqi biological workers that had
defected, of hidden Iraqi Mobile Biological Weapon Labs.

this issue alone Secretary Powell also provided audio
intercepts between two Iraqi officers discussing where to
hide
these Mobile Biological Weapon Labs from the U.N.
inspectors.
After the Iraqi liberation invasion, three of these Mobile
Biological Weapon Labs were found intact, and after

evaluation by all experts from several different nations,
the
CIA concluded that these discovered Mobile Biological

Labs were indeed used exclusively for the production of
weapon
grade biological materials, and further, complied almost

the letter to the diagrams and descriptions Secretary

had previously presented to the United Nations. The
discovery
of these hidden Mobile Biological Weapon labs in Iraq

several key points:

The mobile labs are somewhat un certain. They were "dual
use"
equipment and I think it isdifficult to say for sure what
they
were being used for precisely.

Doug Says: Have you read the CIA report on these mobile
biological weapon labs? I have - these Labs contained false
doors and hidden compartments - so why do you need false

and hidden compartments to make baby food? The conclusion of
the
CIA, and they published their conclusion, was these labs

"specifically" designed to process biological weapons - and

fact Secretary Powell said that he and the CIA had

Iraqi defectors that worked on these very biological labs,

at
least ten Iraqis died processing biological weapon agents.

Here is the dated CIA report that I've found
that says they were biological and not
sarin gas labs for field artillary use:

28 May 2003
http://www.usembassy.it/file2003_05/alia/A3052806.htm

That is contradicted by many during
the following search:

http://search.msn.com/results.asp?FORM=sCPN&RS=CHECKED
&un=doc&v=1&q=Mobile%20biological%20weapons%20labs

Latest info from David Kay himself says, in effect,
that your CIA sources kinda suck(up-politically):

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/

1. That Saddam was in fact continuing to amass and hide
weapons of mass destruction and the programs and means to
produce them.

2. That Saddam lied, and did not disclose these Mobile
Biological Weapon Labs which are a direct violation of

Resolution 1441.

There are other proscribed items Sadam should have declared
that are very clear cut.

3. That Saddam never intended to disarm.

After 12 years that should be obvious you would think.

4. That U.N. Inspectors would have never found these

Biological Weapon Labs without a military force being used
to
depose Saddam.

Don't you think that if that had turned up to
be true: Jr. Bush and Co would be touting it
instead of leaving it to you and sticking to
bad taste WMD jokes at White House Xmas parties.

5. That the Bush and Blair administrations were clearly
telling the truth, and had not exaggerated the threat of
Saddam. Nothing could be more terrible nor terrorizing

suffering a biological weapon attack.

Based on what we know now it seems apparent that Sadam was

the moment mostly disarmed. There are really 3 things that
may
have happened:
1. He destroyed them.
2. He moved them out of the country or gave them to some

3. He hid them.
We may never know for sure, if at all.

Or:
Since he couldn't start ill advised wars like he used ta,
He might have had a standby sarin operation for field

use (at the very most as it turns out) and not much else
worth the crippling cost of this stupid war.

6. Most if not all of the information provided by Iraqi
defectors was true and correct.

FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Gas Certerfuge nuclear weapon

component, and diagrams to build a nuclear device were
unearthed in the back yard of an Iraqi scientist. The

Scientist said that he was instructed to bury these

by
Saddam's son Uday, and was told by Uday that when the
Inspectors leave Iraq then all of the scattered nuclear
weapon
program components will be unearthed and reassembled. This
discovery proves several key points irrefutably:

1. Saddam lied, and did not disclose the fact he had
scattered
and hidden his nuclear weapon program. Such deceit
constitutes
a clear and unmistakable violation of U.N. Resolution

which calls for "dire consequences" if violated.

2. The U.N. Inspectors would have never found these hidden
Nuclear Weapon Program components, and they would have
consequently given Saddam a clean bill. Then Saddam would
have
secretly started to reassemble his Nuclear Weapon Program.
The
world would have then been facing a Saddam equipped with
"secret" nuclear weapons sometime in the near future. The
true
horror scenario is the international community would have
been
deceived into believing that Saddam did not possess

weapons even when Saddam was secretly producing them! This
scenario would have allowed Saddam the opportunity to
provide
nuclear weapons to terrorists while completely avoiding

possible retaliation from any nation that was attacked

these weapons. The U.N. inspectors would have certified

Saddam was void of nuclear weapons - so how could Saddam

involved with any future nuclear attack? That false

Saddam believed, would be his alibi, and that alibi would
have
almost guaranteed the USA and its allies would have been
attacked with weapons of mass destruction sometime in the
future.

I am reminded of when Mr. Hans Blix was the chief

for the U.N.'s IAEA, and after a close inspection of Iraq,
Mr.
Blix said that Saddam did not possess any enriched

Then, after the first Gulf war, the U.N. Inspectors found
not
less than 100 pounds of enriched uranium Saddam was

and that was only what they found, and not what Saddam
actually possessed. In the case of inept clowns like Hans
Blix, it is clear that U.N. inspections can prove to be a
hindrance and a danger instead of a service.

Well they seemed to work quite well in S. Africa. Of course
S.
Africa coopereated fully with the inspections. Inspections
are
not a means of disarming a country. It is a means to try to
verify that a country did in fact disarm.

Also note the present head of the IAEA (Mohamed Elbaradei)
is
rumored to be secretly campaigning for the presidency of

Arab league. Meanwhile, while the U.N. sits on its hands
again, the experts are claiming that Iran will have

bombs by the end of 2005.

3. My point should be clear: The United Nations is corrupt
and
inept, and without military intervention by coalition

(thanks to President Bush, Pm Blair and PM Howard, et al,)
the
world would be facing a nuclear armed Saddam in the

WMD USED IN IRAQ: The Iranian backed terrorists in Iraq

recently ( Summer-Fall 2004) exploded bombs composed of
Artillery shells that contained both Sarin Nerve Gas and
Mustard Gas. These weapons were clearly removed from a
stockpile of artillery shells containing chemical weapons,
and
these stockpiles were not declared by Saddam prior to the
Iraqi liberation. Where these stockpiles are located only
the
terrorists know, as they clearly secured these weapons
before
the coalition troops could capture them.

Do you have any links for this? I've never heard of it
before.

Doug Says: Wow! Do a simple Google search on Sarin Artillery
Shells and search within the results on Iraq. If you have

trouble finding the volumes of information on this issue let
me
know and I will furnish you with some links. BTW, which news
program or newspaper do you normally watch or read? This is
old
news, but I have yet to see a story about it in the liberal
press.

Nothing, of late, on Fox News.

FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Evidence linking Saddam to the
purchase
of uranium from the Congo and other African nations.
According
to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, they (the
Intelligence agencies) possess about fifteen years of
evidence
in respect to Saddam attempting or actually purchasing
enriched uranium from Africa.

In 1985, Saddam purchased tons of enriched uranium from
Niger
and other African nations, and according to British
Intelligence, Saddam attempted to purchase more enriched
uranium from Africa (not Niger) in 2002. Why would Saddam
want
to purchase enriched uranium if he indeed had destroyed

nuclear weapon program?

The fact that Saddam was attempting to purchase enriched
uranium from Africa as late as 2002 proves irrefutably

Saddam was violating U.N. Resolution 1441, and provides
further evidence that Saddam represented a clear and

danger to the free world.

FOUND HIDDEN IN IRAQ: Hidden proscribed missiles, 122MM
rockets with chemical warheads, 51 MIG Aircraft, and 12
drone
aircraft, Artillery shells containing Sarin Nerve Gas and
Mustard Gas, all were hidden and not appearing in Saddam's
declaration to the United Nations. Although some of

proscribed missiles and rockets were discovered by the CIA
and
their locations provided to the U.N. Inspectors prior to

war, many of these proscribed and undeclared weapons were
not
found by the U.N. inspectors nor declared by Saddam. Some

these proscribed missiles were used against Kuwait and
coalition forces, and clearly these weapons armed with
chemical or biological weapons could have been used to
attack
other nations in the middle east. We all know that it does
not
take 45 minutes to launch a missile, rocket, artillery
shell,
nor MIG Aircraft - and PM Blair's statement that Saddam
could
attack with WMD within a 45 minute period was obviously an
extremely conservative estimate. Fifteen minutes would

been more accurate.

The existence of proscribed MIG 25 Aircraft that were
converted to carry chemical and biological weapons is
especially worrisome considering the extended range of

aircraft.



FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Thousands of Chemical/Biological

and nerve gas antidotes hidden in hospitals and schools:

Saddam knows the coalition forces will not use biological
nor
chemical weapons. Saddam had no use for these suits and
antidotes unless he was planning to use chemical or
biological
weapons himself.



FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Clear and unmistakable evidence the
Iraqis attempted to use chemical weapons to poison the

that U.S. Marines were using as drinking water.

the Marines conducted routine tests of the water in the
Euphrates before they pumped it out for sterilization.
During
one of these routine morning tests, overwhelming and
completely conclusive water tests produced high

levels of Blister Agents and Nerve Gas in the water at the
site the Marines were using to pump their drinking water.
These tests were repeated, and all subsequent field tests
demonstrated the same conclusive evidence of chemical
weapons
dumped in the water.

Further, more field tests were conducted down stream, and
these secondary tests also confirmed the existence of high
levels of Blister and Nerve agents dumped into the

around the aforementioned site. About two days later,

more advanced tests were performed at the same sites

providing any conclusive evidence of chemical weapons, yet
it
was determined that due to river flow and the lag in time,
these advanced subsequent tests were ineffective and
inconclusive at best.

The odds the several initial field tests, conducted not

than three times, with corroborating tests also conducted
down
the river from the original site, is about a billion to

the results of these tests were not accurate.

Although it is impossible to independently corroborate the
initial field test results due to the flow of the water,

military has produced hard evidence the Iraqi's attempted

use chemical weapons to poison coalition forces.

Even the most dense of naysayers must admit that it is

to
dump chemical weapons in a river when such weapons never
existed.

FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Hundreds of thousands of mass

which speak for themselves in respect to the morality of

Baath Party and Saddam & Sons.

There is no doubt that we will find more damning evidence

respect to Saddam's WMD as we have only inspected about

of
the suspected WMD sites - not to mentioned pressured other
nations to provide what they know about Saddam's WMD. Yet
even
if we found nothing more, we have already proved precisely
that what President Bush, PM Blair and Secretary Powell

about Saddam, and further proved the need to use military
force to depose Saddam was absolutely and irrefutably
necessary to protect the free world.

FOUND HIDING IN IRAQ: Dozens of Artillery shells filled

Sarin Nerve Gas and Mustard Gas. The smoking gun has been
found and proved. But where are all the press reports

finding these stockpiles of WMD in Iraq? It seems the

is
still hiding in Iraq, and has yet to be found. ABC, as an
example, did an entire segment on Iraqi prisoner
humiliations,
but did not even mention the fact the goons used an
artillery
shell filled with Sarin Nerve gas against coalition

and they used a similar shell filled with Mustard gas a

prior. ABC also ignored the fact that terrorists were

trying to purchase WMD on the Iraqi black market. Are ABC
and
CBS secretly owned by Al Jeezera or the BBC?

Doug Grant (Tm)


Dr. Kay, the former head of the intelligence group

for Saddam's missing WMD, testified in front of a Senate
committee. Here are the key points of his testimony: ( I

paraphrasing not quoting).



1. That all of the intelligence people he (Dr. Kay) spoke
with
stated they were never pressured to change or alter their
data
or conclusions by anyone.

2. That Saddam had ordered long range missiles, and

Saddam intended to put some kind of WMD on those missiles

had ordered from North Korea, and in fact, had already

for.

3. That the chain of command in respect to WMD had broken
down
(thanks in part to the Bush campaign of turning Iraqi
generals
against Saddam, and not to use WMD) and consequently, the
additional location(s) of WMD is almost impossible to
discern
due to small segments of them already either destroyed by
individual Iraqi officers, or hidden by individual Iraqi
officers, or even transported into neighboring nations by
terrorists or Iraqi officers.

4. If Dr. Kay were President he, based upon the volumes of
intelligence reports available on this issue (as well as
President Bush, the United Nations, PM Blair, PM Howard,
President Clinton, Vice President Gore, Senator Hillary
Clinton, and even Hanoi John Kerry) would have concluded
that
prior to the Iraqi liberation invasion, that Saddam
possessed
tons of WMD and was about to use them.

5. Dr. Kay blamed part of the misinformation about Saddam

intelligence failures.

(Doug's Note: It is interesting to note that Hanoi John
Kerry
voted to gut our intelligence community along with

Clinton, but then after 911 it was Hanoi John Kerry that

howling about "the failures of our intelligence

We
all owe a debt of gratitude to President Bush for untiing
the
hands of our intelligence agents, and further, providing
them
with enough funding to do their jobs. Had Hanoi John Kerry
and
the Clinton's not gutted our intelligence community when
they
did, then perhaps President Clinton would not have
proclaimed
to the world when he sent cruise missiles against Iraq

he
"was attacking Saddam's Chemical, Biological and Nuclear
weapons.")

6. Dr. Kay vehemently denied Hanoi John Kerry's verison of
what he had said, and stated that Senator Kerry (a.k.a.
Hanoi
John Kerry due to his traitorous conduct during the

war) had "taken his statements out of context." (In truth
Hanoi John simply lied- as usual).

7. Dr. Kay said that Saddam's regime was so corrupt that a
clear and present danger existed in respect to Iraqi
officers
selling WMD directly to terrorists, and he cannot be sure
that
was not done. There was absolutely no control over the

WMD, and if we had not removed Saddam from power then Iraq
would have become a "hotbed of terrorist activity" and WMD
would have been sold to the highest bidder by corrupt

officers.

End Dr. Kay's statements:

Doug Says: There was a time when integrity ruled in
Washington, (long ago) but when you listen to the
distortions
and utter fabrications emitting from the campaign's of the
likes of Hanoi John Kerry in respect to this issue, I can
only
remind myself that most of these people are by-products of
the
Clinton administration, which as we all know, redefined
honesty into lies, integrity into subterfuge, and honor

dishonor.

We all clearly owe a debt of gratitude to President Bush,

Blair, PM Howard and the rest of the leaders of the 33
nation
coalition that helped to remove Saddam for having the
integrity and resolve to undertake a politically

act for the benefit of the civilized world.

Try to imagine what Hanoi John Kerry would have done if he
were president . . . probably sold the USA down the river
like
he did his comrades in arms during the Vietnam war.

Doug Grant (Tm)

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If Scott Ritter says he's full of it: That's good
enough for me.

I bet Scott Ritter is good enough for you.

And why not?

I'll take a true American Patriot over any of Israel's
phoney shills any day.

Doug Says: First you admit you did not read the post, then
you
want to deny the facts presented in it - do you burn books
also?

I did read it enough to note that it
was neither dated nor sourced. (Because it is "dated", of
course)

Your info is more rehashed disproven "intell" that is
contradicted
by current reports from David Kay ( Which, after all, says
about
what Scott Ritter was saying before the invasion)

What is the matter with you? Have you sunk so low to Kerry's
level that you will not even address the truth?

Doug Grant (Tm)

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:58:46 +1100, "Malto" <Malto@offski.commie>
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Doug Says: Facts are facts Malto. Do you dispute them?

No, I'm just wondering how come you haven't notified the Whitehouse that

you

have found Saddams WMD, you fucking loon.

I don't know if the Iraqis under Saddam's rule had the means
to build an effective stockpile of WMDs, but they certainly were
trying.

Oh really...says who?