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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Bill McCarty"
Date: 30 Nov 2005 06:41:47 AM
Object: Impertinent Question # 138
Bush insists he a has an exit plan for Iraq. Will it explain how
training the Iraq army to do a job we failed to do is going to solve
the insurgent problem ?
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User: "PolicySpy"

Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 138 30 Nov 2005 12:25:11 PM

Bush insists he a has an exit plan for Iraq. Will it explain how
training the Iraq army to do a job we failed to do is going to solve
the insurgent problem ?

Rural Sunni are disenfranchised from a Shiite controlled Iraq...So dealing
with a Sunni insurgency is continuous effort. This would be fully expected
based on the Sunni-Baath history of Monarch overthrow but an ideal was
presented that removal of SH brings resolution. Now the ideal must
transition to a reality that war never ends...
(Also, we need a theory or estimate of how many billions of dollars were
trucked off into the Sunni Triangle from Iraq banks. Not where are the
weapons of mass destruction but where is the cash ? However, for some
reason they weren't able to take care of SH and his sons but seem to be able
to take care of current insurgent leaders.)
Now this newly organized Iraq can do the same effort of insurgent
control...but they might just give up administration and supply of rural
areas and not allow migration. Then the country splinters...
How are things going ? Well, real well in the cities and in political
circles...and thus these are insurgent targets even when civilians. However,
secret prisons run by Shiite militia and Clercs have been found. Iran which
can tie to the Shiites is getting aggressive on international issues. And
U.S. forces often lay siege to cities in a country that they have already
occupied...
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User: "PolicySpy"

Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 138 30 Nov 2005 12:36:17 PM

Rural Sunni are disenfranchised from a Shiite controlled Iraq...So dealing
with a Sunni insurgency is continuous effort. This would be fully expected
based on the Sunni-Baath history of Monarch overthrow but an ideal was
presented that removal of SH brings resolution. Now the ideal must
transition to a reality that war never ends...

(Also, we need a theory or estimate of how many billions of dollars were
trucked off into the Sunni Triangle from Iraq banks. Not where are the
weapons of mass destruction but where is the cash ? However, for some
reason they weren't able to take care of SH and his sons but seem to be
able to take care of current insurgent leaders.)

Now this newly organized Iraq can do the same effort of insurgent
control...but they might just give up administration and supply of rural
areas and not allow migration. Then the country splinters...

How are things going ? Well, real well in the cities and in political
circles...and thus these are insurgent targets even when civilians.
However, secret prisons run by Shiite militia and Clercs have been found.
Iran which can tie to the Shiites is getting aggressive on international
issues. And U.S. forces often lay siege to cities in a country that they
have already occupied...

U.S. forces often (or occasionally) lay siege to the more rural cities in
this country that they have already occupied...
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User: "PerfectlyAble"

Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 138 30 Nov 2005 07:07:19 AM
Bill McCarty wrote:

Bush insists he a has an exit plan for Iraq. Will it explain how
training the Iraq army to do a job we failed to do is going to solve
the insurgent problem ?

Excellent point.
Bush insists he invaded to remove Saddam. Will care
to explain why we are still there?
Bush insisted Saddam had WMD. Will he care to explain
where the WMD are now?
Bush insisted that we trust him. Will he care to trust
us and explain how he is going to achieve victory?
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User: "Taylor"

Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 138 30 Nov 2005 09:27:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/30/us.iraq/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133354506.999962.144770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Bush insists he a has an exit plan for Iraq. Will it explain how
training the Iraq army to do a job we failed to do is going to solve
the insurgent problem ?

We did not fail. The "insurgents" as you call them, are not fighting
militarily. They do not attack military targets. They are terrorists. As
such, their goals are political, not military. They murder civilians on a
mass scale to make political points, mainly, to gain western media attention
so the U.S. will leave Iraq as they did in Viet Nam. Their ultimate goal of
the Islamic fascists is to create a "Caliphate" or Taliban-like government
over the whole Muslim world. Just as police can't stop a murderer if one
wants to kill, the U.S. Military, or any military cannot stop terrorism.
The only way to stop it is to kill the perpatrators, or to create a stable
propsperous democracy so they can't recruit more people.
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