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"Bill" |
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23 Dec 2005 01:33:49 PM |
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Impertinent Question # 149 |
Our law / constitution says that if someone is arrested he must be
charged and tried or else released. Why has this administration held a
prisoner for three years but refuses to try him or release him, DESPITE a
court order to do so ? Why does this administration constantly act as if
it is above the law ?
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| User: "DGVREIMAN" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 08:48:13 AM |
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"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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Our law / constitution says that if someone is arrested he
must be
charged and tried or else released. Why has this
administration held a
prisoner for three years but refuses to try him or release him,
DESPITE a
court order to do so ? Why does this administration
constantly act as if
it is above the law ?
Doug Says: Our law/Constitution rights do not apply to "Foreign
Combatants" or "POW's." The US Supreme Court has held that we
can designate even American citizens as "Foreign Combatants"
under certain conditons.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "Kevin" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 149 |
23 Dec 2005 02:52:31 PM |
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The current administration has had no reason to believe otherwise. The
program of bullying, intimidation and veiled threats to opponents of the
Republican Doctrine is working. I see no end to it until the elections
three long years from now. It is obvious to all citizens of the United
States that George W. Bush and his inner circle of friends and cronies
consider themselves unanswerable to anyone. History will record this
president as Americas dictator. He's an ***** of astronomical
proportions. ***** him and the horse he rode in on.
"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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Our law / constitution says that if someone is arrested he must be
charged and tried or else released. Why has this administration held a
prisoner for three years but refuses to try him or release him, DESPITE a
court order to do so ? Why does this administration constantly act as if
it is above the law ?
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # 149 |
23 Dec 2005 03:10:32 PM |
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History will not record you at all, but if it did, it would be as a stupid
*****.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
23 Dec 2005 01:44:04 PM |
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When the war is over the prisoners will be released or tried for war crimes.
"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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Our law / constitution says that if someone is arrested he must be
charged and tried or else released. Why has this administration held a
prisoner for three years but refuses to try him or release him, DESPITE a
court order to do so ?
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| User: "Bill McCarty" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
23 Dec 2005 02:19:47 PM |
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Padilla is an American citizen. That being so, he's entitled, as we
all are, to be treated in accordance with US law. The
administration's claim that he is NOT, has been REJECTED by a US court.
Again, I ask you why does this administration act is if it is beyond
the law ???
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
23 Dec 2005 03:09:03 PM |
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"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Padilla is an American citizen.
So were all of the capture soldiers of the Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either.
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| User: "DGVREIMAN" |
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| Title: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 09:12:40 AM |
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"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Padilla is an American citizen. That being so, he's entitled,
as we
all are, to be treated in accordance with US law. The
administration's claim that he is NOT, has been REJECTED by a
US court.
Again, I ask you why does this administration act is if it is
beyond
the law ???
Doug Says:
The US Government has petitioned the 4th District to allow the
State of Florida to arrest and indict the suspect terrorist
Padilla, and the 4th District Court has refused to do so Billy.
Based upon the existing 4th District's legal ruling, the suspect
terrorist Padilla has been deemed a "Foreign Combatant." He
will be tried by a military tribunal not unless the US Supreme
Court overrules the 4th District's court extant ruling that the
President has the authority to designate American citizens as
"Foreign Combatants" under certain conditions. Nevertheless,
allowing terrorists to have lawyers paid by Americans so those
terrorists can communicate through their lawyers to other
terrorists so the families of the Judges, Jurors and other
Americans can be murdered during trial, and terrorist attacks
planned in general, is *not* a good idea Billy. One American
lawyer has already been tried and convicted for passing along
terrorist communications. Most Americans know that you cannot
trust lawyers Billy - you must have been sleeping during that
Shakespearian edification class ol son.
I suspect the US Supreme Court will overrule the 4th District's
ruling in regards to its ruling that American citizens can be
deemed "Foreign Combatants" - but we must wait and see. Also,
it is not the Bush administration that is dragging its feet on
this issue, it is the courts. The Bush administration has *asked
the 4th District* to release Padilla to the Florida authorities,
and the 4th District has refused due to the outstanding and
existing review of its "Foreign Combatant" decision presently in
front of the US Supreme Court. So stop bashing President Bush
over issues that again you clearly know very little about.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 10:15:15 AM |
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture soldiers of the
Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
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| User: "DGVREIMAN" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 11:55:52 AM |
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"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Padilla is an American citizen. That being so, he's entitled,
as we
all are, to be treated in accordance with US law. The
administration's claim that he is NOT, has been REJECTED by a
US court.
Again, I ask you why does this administration act is if it is
beyond
the law ???
Doug Says:
The US Government has petitioned the 4th District to allow the
State of Florida to arrest and indict the suspect terrorist
Padilla, and the 4th District Court has refused to do so Billy.
Based upon the existing 4th District's legal ruling, the suspect
terrorist Padilla has been deemed a "Foreign Combatant." He
will be tried by a military tribunal not unless the US Supreme
Court overrules the 4th District's court extant ruling that the
President has the authority to designate American citizens as
"Foreign Combatants" under certain conditions. Nevertheless,
allowing terrorists to have lawyers paid by Americans so those
terrorists can communicate through their lawyers to other
terrorists so the families of the Judges, Jurors and other
Americans can be murdered during trial, and terrorist attacks
planned in general, is *not* a good idea Billy. One American
lawyer has already been tried and convicted for passing along
terrorist communications. Most Americans know that you cannot
trust lawyers Billy - you must have been sleeping during that
Shakespearian edification class ol son.
I suspect the US Supreme Court will overrule the 4th District's
ruling in regards to its ruling that American citizens can be
deemed "Foreign Combatants" - but we must wait and see. Also,
it is not the Bush administration that is dragging its feet on
this issue, it is the courts. The Bush administration has *asked
the 4th District* to release Padilla to the Florida authorities,
and the 4th District has refused due to the outstanding and
existing review of its "Foreign Combatant" decision presently in
front of the US Supreme Court. So stop bashing President Bush
over issues that again you clearly know very little about.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture
soldiers of the Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
Doug Says: The Confederate Soldiers were not citizens of the
USA. They renounced their citizenship and swore allegiance to a
foreign nation - the Confederate States of America. If we can
prove Mr. Padilla did the same then that is an argument that
should be presented before the Supreme Court. However, Al Qeada
is not a "foreign Government" it is an association of terrorists.
Belonging to Al Qaeda would be the same as joining the Bloods or
the Crips or the ACLU, which although worse, is not the same as
being a citizen of the Confederate States of America.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "Danzig" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 03:13:41 PM |
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just aks Dougie HE KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!
Doug Says: The Confederate Soldiers were not citizens of the
USA. They renounced their citizenship and swore allegiance to a
foreign nation - the Confederate States of America. If we can
prove Mr. Padilla did the same then that is an argument that
should be presented before the Supreme Court. However, Al Qeada
is not a "foreign Government" it is an association of terrorists.
Belonging to Al Qaeda would be the same as joining the Bloods or
the Crips or the ACLU, which although worse, is not the same as
being a citizen of the Confederate States of America.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "DGVREIMAN" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 06:35:20 PM |
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Doug Says: The Confederate Soldiers were not citizens of the
USA. They renounced their citizenship and swore allegiance to
a foreign nation - the Confederate States of America. If we
can prove Mr. Padilla did the same then that is an argument
that should be presented before the Supreme Court. However,
Al Qeada is not a "foreign Government" it is an association of
terrorists. Belonging to Al Qaeda would be the same as joining
the Bloods or the Crips or the ACLU, which although worse, is
not the same as being a citizen of the Confederate States of
America.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Danzig" <tyatcak@telus.net> wrote in message
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just aks Dougie HE KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!
Doug Says: Not everything, but a lot.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 04:22:30 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture soldiers of
the
Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
They did not believe and would have totally rejected the claim that they
were US citizens. The wanted no part of US law or US custom or US courts or
US judges. They were, and would proudly have claimed to be foreign
combatants. So they were treated as they WANTED to be treated.
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 04:55:05 PM |
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"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture soldiers of
the
Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
They did not believe and would have totally rejected the claim that they
were US citizens. The wanted no part of US law or US custom or US courts
or
US judges. They were, and would proudly have claimed to be foreign
combatants. So they were treated as they WANTED to be treated.
You get to speak for all of them, do you? I'm thinking some would have
chose to get out of Prison. But, Hey DUMBASS, is that what the construction
says, treat people the way they WANT to be treated.
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| User: "DGVREIMAN" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
25 Dec 2005 11:31:38 PM |
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture
soldiers of
the
Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
They did not believe and would have totally rejected the claim
that they
were US citizens. The wanted no part of US law or US custom
or US courts or
US judges. They were, and would proudly have claimed to be
foreign
combatants. So they were treated as they WANTED to be
treated.
You get to speak for all of them, do you? I'm thinking some
would have chose to get out of Prison. But, Hey DUMBASS, is
that what the construction says, treat people the way they WANT
to be treated.
Doug Says: Confederate Soldiers were soldiers from a foreign
nation - The Confederate States of America. They were not US
Citizens according to their own oaths. However, during the Civil
War those Confederate Soldiers that did choose to repatriate and
join the Union Army were released to the Army and they usually
were sent west to fight in the Indian wars. That was one way
they could get out of prison. Needless to say those Confederates
that repatriated and refused to join the Union Army still
remained in prison until the end of the war.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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| User: "Billy" |
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| Title: Re: Lawyers for Terrorists? (was Re: Impertinen tAnswer # 149 |
26 Dec 2005 09:14:54 AM |
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"DGVREIMAN" <DGVREIMAN@COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture soldiers
of
the
Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
They did not believe and would have totally rejected the claim that they
were US citizens. The wanted no part of US law or US custom or US
courts or
US judges. They were, and would proudly have claimed to be foreign
combatants. So they were treated as they WANTED to be treated.
You get to speak for all of them, do you? I'm thinking some would have
chose to get out of Prison. But, Hey DUMBASS, is that what the
construction says, treat people the way they WANT to be treated.
Doug Says: Confederate Soldiers were soldiers from a foreign nation - The
Confederate States of America. They were not US Citizens according to
their own oaths. However, during the Civil War those Confederate Soldiers
that did choose to repatriate and join the Union Army were released to the
Army and they usually were sent west to fight in the Indian wars. That
was one way they could get out of prison. Needless to say those
Confederates that repatriated and refused to join the Union Army still
remained in prison until the end of the war.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Padilla was trained at an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan , that is
more of a foreign nation than the Confederate States.So we will keep him
till the end of the war also.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:22:30 GMT, "Bill" <bmcc@XpaM.net> wrote:
They did not believe and would have totally rejected the claim that they
were US citizens. The wanted no part of US law or US custom or US courts or
US judges. They were, and would proudly have claimed to be foreign
combatants. So they were treated as they WANTED to be treated.
We should all be combatants of the Jews who now rule the USA.
Our Jewish Keepers
by Kevin Alfred Strom
American Dissident Voices Broadcast of May 31, 2003
Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.
Did you ever wonder why America is declining in popularity around
the world, and especially in Europe?
Perhaps it might have something to do with America's increasingly
common image as a puppet-state of International Jewry. Perhaps it
might also have something to do with growing European resentment
toward being bossed around by U.S. Congressmen who are first and
foremost lackeys of the Jewish power structure. Yes, that's right
-- United States Congressmen are spending more and more of their
time instructing European nations about what steps they should
take to control the growing awareness of destructive Jewish
behaviors throughout Europe. Not only has entrance into NATO for
some nations been predicated upon approval by the American Jewish
Committee, but there exists a little known official U.S.
Government agency called "The Commission on Security and
Cooperation in Europe", also known as "The Helsinki Commission,"
which consists of nine members from the United States Senate,
nine members from the House of Representatives, and one member
each from the Departments of State, Defense and Commerce. A
professional staff assists the Commissioners in their work -- and
a glance at their website at <http://www.csce.gov> will readily
confirm that their work has recently focused on squelching
justifiable criticism of Jewish involvement in the national and
international affairs of European nations -- or what they refer
to as "combating anti-Semitism." Our American tax dollars are not
only being spent to support an illegitimate Jewish theocracy
(Israel), but we are also funding American intervention in
European affairs on behalf of International Jewry.
Led by Congressman Christopher Smith of New Jersey, "our"
congress is working feverishly to coerce European leaders to
further suppress any criticism of Jewish activities, no matter
how mild that criticism may be. In the April 30, 2003 edition of
the Congressional Record you will find examples of Smith's
shameless application of political pressure on sovereign European
nations:
From [United States of America PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE
108th CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION Vol. 149 Washington, Wednesday,
April 30, 2003], we read Smith's own words as he says
"The U.S. Helsinki Commission, which I co-chair, has worked with
the Museum on several occasions, from pushing for the release of
documents from the Romani concentration camp in Lety, Czech
Republic, to urging Romania to give greater meaning to its stated
commitment of rejecting anti-Semitism by removing Antonescu
statues from public lands. In response to the alarming spike of
anti-Semitic incidents found last summer in Europe, myself and
other Members of the Commission have been very active in urging
governments and elected officials to denounce the violence and
ensure their laws are enabled to prosecute the perpetrators. In
support of this effort, I have introduced H. Con. Res. 49,
urging, among other things, European states to 'promote the
creation of educational efforts throughout the region
encompassing the participating States of the OSCE to counter
anti-Semitic stereotypes and attitudes among younger people,
increase Holocaust awareness programs, and help identify the
necessary resources to accomplish this goal.' It is my hope that
other countries will copy the unique and effective model of the
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum."
Smith is not alone in his demands. Congressman Joseph Crowley of
New York wants to suppress any critical discussion of Jewish
behavior: [ Ibid., SUBMITTED REMARKS OF HON. JOSEPH CROWLEY,
MEMBER, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES]
"Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to address this
distinguished forum. I am greatly concerned by the rise of
anti-Semitism throughout the OSCE region....In the 21st century,
countries in Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia should not
witness attacks against Jews... Nor should these countries
tolerate the hatred spewed by skinheads and other radical groups
throughout the region. Such hatred has brought catastrophe to the
region in our lifetimes already, and we must ensure that the
fields of Europe and Asia are not sown with the seeds of
intolerance ever again. It is the responsibility of the OSCE
governments to set a zero tolerance policy for anti-Semitic
speech and acts. In their OSCE commitments, all governments
pledged to condemn anti-Semitism unequivocally and take effective
measures to... prosecute those who commit such hate crimes..."
The OSCE site also features the speech of one Juliane
Danker-Wetze, who bewails the fact that some European thinkers
are starting to connect the dots and find that they form a Star
of David:
"Jews are imagined [sic] to be a national and international
influential group who allegedly exert a bad influence on or even
steer politics, the economy and the media, which is a way of
expressing the old anti-Semitic prejudice of hidden Jewish
power."
[<http://tinyurl.com/cuam> ]
And the so-called Helsinki Commission, which was founded in 1976
supposedly to further human rights under Soviet Communism,
recently heard from one of the main opponents of the right of
free speech, none other than the Jewish ADL. [
<http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/121102JTA.shtml> ] Though they
sugar-coat the language, what the ADL is really "pushing" (their
word) the supine Congressmen to do is to make criticism of our
'superhuman' self-chosen masters illegal. The Jewish Telegraphic
Agency informs us:
"Jewish leaders are pushing the White House and Congress to take
a firmer stance against European anti-Semitism. A group of German
and American lawmakers heard Tuesday from Jewish leaders who
expressed concern about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. The
Jewish leaders also suggested ways to combat anti-Semitism in
states that participate in the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe. 'Many European Jews today feel more
vulnerable, disillusioned and frightened than at any time since
the Holocaust,' said Ambassador Alfred Moses, past president of
the American Jewish Committee and a former U.S. ambassador to
Romania. 'I know from my personal experience that anti-Semitism
is never far below the surface in Central and Eastern Europe.'
The Anti-Defamation League presented a series of recommendations
on combating the problem, including urging political leaders to
speak out against bigotry, strengthening administrative, legal
and monitoring instruments and using educational initiatives.
'While the last century witnessed the most heinous results of
bigotry unchecked, fortunately we also have witnessed in our
lifetime powerful examples of how strong U.S. and German
leadership have brought about dramatic change,' said Kenneth
Jacobson, ADL's associate national director. 'America and
Germany, each having learned painful lessons from their
respective past experiences with the danger of bigotry, are
uniquely positioned to lead the OSCE' ...The visit to Washington
by members of the German Bundestag was a follow-up to a July
session in Berlin on anti-Semitism. Moses noted that incidents of
anti-Semitism have risen in Europe because of the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel's ties to the United States
and the momentum that right-wing groups have been gaining in some
European countries. U.S. and German lawmakers signed a letter of
intent to strengthen their work against anti-Semitism, use
educational initiatives and urge other parliaments to follow
their lead."
As Robert Faurisson once said at a meeting in Washington, D.C.
"by 'human rights' is usually meant 'Jewish rights'" -- which
follows the notion, enshrined in the Jewish 'holy book,' the
Talmud, that only Jews are human and that non-Jews are equivalent
to beasts. And isn't that what the Helsinki Commission is
currently all about? -- keeping the European cattle from getting
too uppity and questioning their keepers and questioning why they
are kept in economic and political pens?
The Helsinki Commission isn't the only group under the thumb of
organized Jews, manipulating governments behind the scenes. A
secretive group with the Orwellian-sounding name of the 'Office
of Special Plans' also deserves our attention.
The 'Office of Special Plans' is nominally within the Pentagon
and is headed by a Jew named Abram Shulsky. It is of very recent
incarnation, having been created by several Jewish handlers of
George Bush with the explicit purpose of expanding the U.S.-led
war for Israel in the Mideast.
The Jews who came to power under Bush, or rather over Bush, saw
9/11 as an almost heaven-sent opportunity to get the despised
Americans crying tears for their dead countrymen (the deaths of
whom the Israeli Mossad, who had been following Mohammed Atta for
months, probably condoned to create that very opportunity), and
to get the same stupid American goyim fired up for having
themselves and Moslem goyim slaughtered in the Middle East for
Holy Israel's sake. Afghanistan was their first and easy target,
but Iraq was a harder nut to crack.
The neoconservative Jews' thirst for Iraqi blood began years
before 9-11, of course, as did their determination to find a
justification for spilling it. As early as March 2001, Richard
Perle, then Bush's new chairman of the Defense Policy Board, made
the claim that Iraq almost certainly had nuclear weapons. [
<http://tinyurl.com/cukp> ] In one of the most bizarre cases of
Jewish triplespeak I have ever heard, Perle actually argued
before Congress that Saddam had to have these weapons
specifically because our intelligence indicated that he did not:
"Does Saddam now have weapons of mass destruction? Sure he does.
How far he's gone on the nuclear-weapon side I don't think we
really know. My guess is it's further than we think. It's always
further than we think, because we limit ourselves, as we think
about this, to what we're able to prove and demonstrate." Now,
limiting yourself to what you can prove and demonstrate is
certainly dangerous. At least it is dangerous to Jews, as with
their fantastic tales of World War II persecution that are as
profitable as they are fictitious. Instead of limiting ourselves
to facts, far better for us to believe whatever tales the Jews
want us to believe and launch another world war. Now that's safe!
The Jews wanted to destroy Iraq because Iraq's secular Arab
government was a bulwark against Israeli expansionism and
aggression in the region. But that reason wasn't enough to
convince the American people. Since the hated-by-Jews Americans
were still somewhat exercised over the deaths of Americans on
9-11, the Jews decided that a case had to be made that Iraq was
somehow involved in international terrorism and possessed
so-called Weapons of Mass Destruction which could, conceivably,
threaten Americans.
The problem was that there was no evidence for this claim.
Neither the Central Intelligence Agency nor the Defense
Intelligence Agency could discover any credible evidence showing
that Iraq supported al-Qaeda -- in fact, the opposite was true.
And the CIA and the DIA also could find no evidence whatever that
Iraq possessed any of the dreaded 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'
that could threaten America. Bush's Jewish handlers found this
situation intolerable. They wanted their war and they were going
to get their war, by hook or by crook.
In the same way that they 'know' that 'God is the Jewish people'
they also 'knew' that Saddam must have nuclear, chemical, and
biological weapons capable of harming or at least frightening
Americans. It would serve their purposes if that were true, so it
must be true. The trouble was that the CIA and the DIA weren't
buying it. The facts that their extensive intelligence networks
turned up all indicated the opposite.
The frustration of Bush's Jewish handlers was profound. What to
do? Create their own intelligence-agency-lite. And so the Office
of Special Plans was born. The small group of influential Jews
who run this secretive outfit even call it -- in typically Jewish
mockery of those who expose Jewish conspiracy -- "the Cabal." [
<http://tinyurl.com/b26r> ]
Starting with just two staff people and never having more than
five (compared to the CIA and DIA with their thousands of agents
and analysts worldwide) and led by the Jew Abram Shulsky, the
Office of Special Plans was designed at the outset to feed
Rumsfeld and Bush, via Wolfowitz and Feith, a series of lies
which would cause them to question the intelligence agencies'
reports.
Jewish writer Robert Dreyfuss describes the procedure:
"Rumsfeld noted that a primary purpose of the unit was to provide
him with ammunition that he could use to harass the CIA staffer
who briefs him every morning. 'In comes the briefer, and she
walks through the daily brief and I ask questions,' said
Rumsfeld. 'What I could do is say, Gee, what about this? Or what
about that? Has somebody thought of this?' Using powerful
computers and having access to reams of intelligence factoids,
Feith's team could create a steady stream of data bits that
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith himself could use to pick apart the
CIA's conclusions, sending the CIA's collectors and analysts back
to rewrite their reports." And, of course, preventing the real
intelligence reports from being believed and from giving the
President any second thoughts about obeying any of the orders of
the neoconservative Jews who surround him.
W. Patrick Lang, former chief of Middle East intelligence at the
D.I.A., admitted that this group has pulled a real coup and has
"...banded together to dominate the government's foreign policy,
and they've pulled it off. They're running Chalabi. The D.I.A.
has been intimidated and beaten to a pulp. And there's no guts at
all in the C.I.A.."
Jewish writer Seymour Hersh, writing in The New Yorker, quotes an
unnamed Pentagon advisor who worked with the Office of Special
Plans as crowing about Wolfowitz, Shulsky, and their coup: "I'd
love to be the historian who writes the story of how this small
group of eight or nine people made the case and won," defeating
the combined might of the CIA and DIA.
Shulsky has had a long relationship with the Jewish power
structure, and is described as the intellectual heir of Jewish
philosopher Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago, a person
who, for some unknown reason, decided to flee Europe in 1937.
Shulsky and Wolfowitz both received their doctorates under
Strauss in 1972. It is most revealing, I think, to consider
Wolfowitz and Shulsky as students of Strauss when one of
Strauss's major themes as a philosopher, according to Stephen
Holmes, a law professor at New York University, was the idea that
"philosophers need to tell noble lies not only to the people at
large but also to powerful politicians." I'll say that again -- a
guiding principle of this small Jewish cabal that even calls
itself "the Cabal" that tells our government what to do is that
"philosophers need to tell noble lies not only to the people at
large but also to powerful politicians." "Noble lies," of course,
are lies which advance the interests of the Jews.
Vincent Cannistraro, the former head of anti-terrorism operations
and analysis at the C.I.A., stated of this Jewish group: "...they
all work together. This has been going on since the
nineteen-eighties, but they've never been able to coalesce as
they have now. September 11th gave them the opportunity, and now
they're in heaven. They believe the intelligence is there. They
want to believe it. It has to be there."
The Office of Special Plans also had a very cozy relationship
with the criminal and con-man Ahmed Chalabi of the so-called
Iraqi National Congress, who is very eager to become the Jews'
front man in Iraq, and who "cooperated" by making up stories
which could then be attributed to "Iraqi defectors" when recited
for the President. Experienced intelligence analysts dismiss the
tales told by Chalabi as totally worthless fictions.
[ <http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html> ]
Columnist Harold Meyerson calls what the Office of Special Plans
did "faith-based intelligence." I call it Shilling for Sharon.
The short name of course, is simply lying. And these liars not
only influenced our not-so-bright leaders, but fed their false
stories to the mainly Jewish-controlled media who used them
influence the public to support the Jews' new war.
The Jews' plan worked quite well. They got the ear of the
President, his superstitious heart, and his easily-befuddled
brain. They got their war. But it was all based on lies. It has
been many weeks since the fall of Iraq, and no evidence of Iraqi
"Weapons of Mass Destruction" have been found. Even Task Force
75, the armed services team specifically created to root out
Saddam's supposedly hidden and supposedly illegal arsenal has
found nothing and is actually closing up shop.
The Office of Special Plans is nothing but an odious Jewish lie
factory.
It is this Jewish lie factory that will soon attempt to start
another war, this time for 'regime change' in Iran. [
<http://tinyurl.com/cusy> ] They're already gearing up for a battle
with diplomats in the State Department who oppose the Iranian
step in the Jews' world war. They're already arranging meetings
between a pretender to the Iranian throne and Ariel Sharon.
William Kristol's Weekly Standard is already banging the war
drums against Iran, and another Jew, Michael Rubin, is already
concentrating on Iran from within Shulsky's Office of Special
Plans. We told you months ago on American Dissident Voices that
this was going to happen, and the Office of Special Plans is
making our prediction come true.
It is from this Jewish lie factory that came the tales that Colin
Powell told the UN about Iraq's purchase of nuclear material from
Nigeria. It is from this Jewish lie factory that the story of a
"ring" of chemical weapons around Baghdad originated. It is from
this Jewish lie factory that came the 'revelation' that al-Qaeda
and Saddam were allies. It is this Jewish lie factory that killed
innocent children and blew off their heads and arms and legs. It
is this Jewish lie factory that killed your son and maimed your
daughter.
Their intelligence was worthless. Their lies were priceless.
You're being killed because you believe in the emperor's new
clothes. The purpose of this program is to stop you from
believing in lies; to help you understand how you are being
ruled; to help you see reality; to save your family, your
country, and your life.
Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you to stay
active -- stay legal -- and keep on thinking free.
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"Red Jacket" <Red Jacket@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Padilla is an American citizen. That being so, he's entitled,
as we
all are, to be treated in accordance with US law. The
administration's claim that he is NOT, has been REJECTED by a
US court.
Again, I ask you why does this administration act is if it is
beyond
the law ???
Doug Says:
The US Government has petitioned the 4th District to allow the
State of Florida to arrest and indict the suspect terrorist
Padilla, and the 4th District Court has refused to do so Billy.
Based upon the existing 4th District's legal ruling, the suspect
terrorist Padilla has been deemed a "Foreign Combatant." He
will be tried by a military tribunal not unless the US Supreme
Court overrules the 4th District's court extant ruling that the
President has the authority to designate American citizens as
"Foreign Combatants" under certain conditions. Nevertheless,
allowing terrorists to have lawyers paid by Americans so those
terrorists can communicate through their lawyers to other
terrorists so the families of the Judges, Jurors and other
Americans can be murdered during trial, and terrorist attacks
planned in general, is *not* a good idea Billy. One American
lawyer has already been tried and convicted for passing along
terrorist communications. Most Americans know that you cannot
trust lawyers Billy - you must have been sleeping during that
Shakespearian edification class ol son.
I suspect the US Supreme Court will overrule the 4th District's
ruling in regards to its ruling that American citizens can be
deemed "Foreign Combatants" - but we must wait and see. Also,
it is not the Bush administration that is dragging its feet on
this issue, it is the courts. The Bush administration has *asked
the 4th District* to release Padilla to the Florida authorities,
and the 4th District has refused due to the outstanding and
existing review of its "Foreign Combatant" decision presently in
front of the US Supreme Court. So stop bashing President Bush
over issues that again you clearly know very little about.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
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can't come up with an answer for "So were all of the capture
soldiers of the Confederate Army, they did not
get released until after the war either." Huh
Doug Says: The Confederate Soldiers were not citizens of the
USA. They renounced their citizenship and swore allegiance to a
foreign nation - the Confederate States of America. If we can
prove Mr. Padilla did the same then that is an argument that
should be presented before the Supreme Court. However, Al Qeada
is not a "foreign Government" it is an association of terrorists.
Belonging to Al Qaeda would be the same as joining the Bloods or
the Crips or the ACLU, which although worse, is not the same as
being a citizen of the Confederate States of America.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Doug Says: First, why do you care? People from all of the NG I
post in have responded at one time or another to my posts. I
regularly post in these NG. Second, I am not creating any
problem for anyone by posting in several different newsgroups.
Crossposting is allowed by my ISP and it does not create any more
bandwidth considering today's high speed internet, and it creates
more interest and honest responses, which appears to be your real
problem. Third, the article is applicable to all of the NG I
posted in, and Fourth, you do not need to know which NG I am
presently in as all you need to do is hit reply, and when you
reply it will find its way to a NG I am monitoring.
Moreover, why snip out my entire articles if you are not trying
to hide or censor them? Why don't you simply ignore my posts if
you do not like them or do not wish to read them? It is a simple
thing to place my name in a killfile. If you don't know how, let
me know and I will direct you.
Also, if you really want to zero in on a problem with the
alt.war.Vietnam NG, you should concentrate on those posters that
respond with personal attacks, lies, fabrications, distortions,
false accusations, fraud, and attack anyone that agrees with
anything I say with the same type of personal attacks including
howling that everyone that agrees with me is me using an alias.
These posters clearly have some kind of psychological problem,
and they are incapable of formulating a coherent response, so
they attack and snip. Now that is a problem worth your time and
complaint.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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