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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"Bill McCarty" |
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16 Mar 2005 12:45:13 PM |
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Impertinent Question # Thirty Seven |
It's quite clear by now that improvised weapons are responsible for the
great majority of injuries and deaths suffered by American troops in Iraq
(since the Mission Accomplished banner went up.) Here is what Douggie Von
Reiman had to say about ammunition dumps ignored by under manned American
units on their rush to Baghdad:
" The Ammo Dump was cleaned out long
before we liberated Iraq, with some small exceptions. Our
troops removed those exceptions and destroyed them." Unquote.
Here's what the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle had to say about
those Ammo dumps:
Looting Spree Gutted Ammo Dump
Witnesses say Iraqis blitzed Al Qaqaa after U.S. troops came, left
by James Glanz, Jim Dwyer NYT
BAGHDAD -- Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days after
American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their way to
Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even
dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security
chief said Wednesday.
The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising
residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly
indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and later
heaving unwanted items off the trucks.
Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa -- one a chemical engineer and the
other a mechanic -- and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who had
come back to retrieve his records, determined to keep them out of U.S.
hands. The mechanic, Ahmed Saleh Mezher, said employees asked the Americans
to protect the site, but were told this was not the soldiers'
responsibility.
The accounts do not directly address the question of when nearly 400 tons of
powerful conventional explosives vanished from the site sometime after early
March, the last time international inspectors checked the seals on the
bunkers where the material was stored. It is possible that Iraqi forces
removed some explosives before the invasion.
But the accounts make clear that what set off much if not all of the looting
was the arrival and swift departure of U.S. troops, who did not secure the
site after inducing the Iraqi forces to abandon it. Unquote.
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Question: Should we not thank the people in the top ranks of the
military who had the guts to say we needed more troops to do the job in Iraq
? And what does it tell us about Wolfowitz of Arabia who scorned them for
being so far off the mark ? And what does it tell us about lies and liars
here at Usenet ?
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| User: "Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # Thirty Seven |
16 Mar 2005 05:30:55 PM |
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"Bill McCarty" <bmcc@pa.net> wrote in message
news:Z8%Zd.235$Kf4.55043@newshog.newsread.com...
It's quite clear by now that improvised weapons are responsible for
the
great majority of injuries and deaths suffered by American troops in
Iraq
(since the Mission Accomplished banner went up.) Here is what Douggie
Von
Reiman had to say about ammunition dumps ignored by under manned
American
units on their rush to Baghdad:
" The Ammo Dump was cleaned out long
before we liberated Iraq, with some small exceptions. Our
troops removed those exceptions and destroyed them." Unquote.
Here's what the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle had to say
about
those Ammo dumps:
Looting Spree Gutted Ammo Dump
Witnesses say Iraqis blitzed Al Qaqaa after U.S. troops came, left
by James Glanz, Jim Dwyer NYT
BAGHDAD -- Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days
after
American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their
way to
Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even
dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional
security
chief said Wednesday.
The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising
residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly
indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and
later
heaving unwanted items off the trucks.
Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa -- one a chemical engineer
and the
other a mechanic -- and the third was a former employee, a chemist,
who had
come back to retrieve his records, determined to keep them out of U.S.
hands. The mechanic, Ahmed Saleh Mezher, said employees asked the
Americans
to protect the site, but were told this was not the soldiers'
responsibility.
The accounts do not directly address the question of when nearly 400
tons of
powerful conventional explosives vanished from the site sometime after
early
March, the last time international inspectors checked the seals on the
bunkers where the material was stored. It is possible that Iraqi
forces
removed some explosives before the invasion.
But the accounts make clear that what set off much if not all of the
looting
was the arrival and swift departure of U.S. troops, who did not secure
the
site after inducing the Iraqi forces to abandon it. Unquote.
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Question: Should we not thank the people in the top ranks of the
military who had the guts to say we needed more troops to do the job
in Iraq
?
Sure. Go for it.
And what does it tell us about Wolfowitz of Arabia who scorned them
for
being so far off the mark ?
It tells us they took the concept of transformation too far, and got
efficiency in execution of an action confused with managing the
aftermath of the action.
And what does it tell us about lies and liars
here at Usenet ?
It tells us that pretty much any specific concept can be turned into a
hopelessly vague question.
What's "impertinent" in any of this?
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| User: "Bill McCarty" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # Thirty Seven |
17 Mar 2005 06:48:23 AM |
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Go for it? Your suggestion is that I MYSELF thank them. My
suggestion is that WE thank them. WE, as a nation, owe them a vote of
thanks for telling the truth in the face of a mean spirited wrong
headed, cabal of incompetent Pentagon ideologues. And a President,
whose neglect of his military obligations may have contributed to his
inability to think clearly on the matter. We owe them a vote of thanks
for telling the truth at a time when it put their careers on the line,
and in fact destroyed those careers. If the President had any honesty,
any integrity, any concern for decency, he would right that wrong. He
would restore the dignity and honor which our armed forces are entitled
to but which are fast slipping away under a president lacking a clear
perspective on his nation's history and traditions. And attacking
another nation which has never attacked us is not one of them.
What is impertinent ? I use the word impertinent to express my
contempt for the main stream media, the cowards that inhabit it, and
the fools that give it their attention. Contempt for their self
censorship, their timidity and their refusal to raise questions which
any child could recognize as important matters affecting our nation's
welfare and security. Contempt for their terrified fear of the foreign
elements who have seized control of our foreign policy and are driving
our country towards permanent war. Regardless of the cost in blood and
treasure, in a futile and silly crusade to put an end to evil. Provided
of course, it does not disturb Bush's cozy relationship with the
Saudis.
I use the word also because in a Usenet world with thousands of
voices vying for attention, it sometimes attracts readers (yourself
perhaps) who might not notice it otherwise. And I pose questions
rather than answers because it's that lack of curiosity on the part
of the media that has left Americans perhaps the most poorly informed
of all the people of the modern world. I'm sure the media whores
would view everything I post as impertinent.
Have a nice day. BMc.
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| User: "Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Impertinent Question # Thirty Seven |
17 Mar 2005 05:23:33 PM |
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"Bill McCarty" <billmccarty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111063703.684143.177860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Go for it? Your suggestion is that I MYSELF thank them. My
suggestion is that WE thank them. WE, as a nation, owe them a vote of
thanks for telling the truth in the face of a mean spirited wrong
headed, cabal of incompetent Pentagon ideologues. And a President,
whose neglect of his military obligations may have contributed to his
inability to think clearly on the matter. We owe them a vote of thanks
for telling the truth at a time when it put their careers on the line,
and in fact destroyed those careers. If the President had any
honesty,
any integrity, any concern for decency, he would right that wrong. He
would restore the dignity and honor which our armed forces are
entitled
to but which are fast slipping away under a president lacking a clear
perspective on his nation's history and traditions. And attacking
another nation which has never attacked us is not one of them.
Doesn't really sound feasible to get "WE, as a nation" all together to
get that done. The same sort of effort you put into this might allow you
to actually write them a letter, though. They might actually read it
that way. They may even write back.
What is impertinent ? I use the word impertinent to express my
contempt for the main stream media, the cowards that inhabit it, and
the fools that give it their attention. Contempt for their self
censorship, their timidity and their refusal to raise questions which
any child could recognize as important matters affecting our nation's
welfare and security. Contempt for their terrified fear of the foreign
elements who have seized control of our foreign policy and are driving
our country towards permanent war. Regardless of the cost in blood and
treasure, in a futile and silly crusade to put an end to evil.
Provided
of course, it does not disturb Bush's cozy relationship with the
Saudis.
I use the word also because in a Usenet world with thousands of
voices vying for attention, it sometimes attracts readers (yourself
perhaps) who might not notice it otherwise. And I pose questions
rather than answers because it's that lack of curiosity on the part
of the media that has left Americans perhaps the most poorly informed
of all the people of the modern world. I'm sure the media whores
would view everything I post as impertinent.
Have a nice day. BMc.
Ah, forgive me, it's advertisement for a message. I thought you were
actually asking a question. Silly of me.
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