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User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 11 Jun 2006 12:43:36 PM
Object: Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006
http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4763801,00.html
Al Gore was in Denver last month to promote his global-warming
documentary An Inconvenient Truth, which features the former vice
president and opened here Friday.

Unfortunately, as Gore jets around the world promoting his movie, he
continues to argue that central planning on an international scale is
the only appropriate response to rising temperatures. And he downplays
or ignores the high cost and uncertain payoff of such an approach.
The Kyoto Protocol on global warming - the cornerstone of Gore's
agenda - is flawed for two major reasons. The most obvious is that
even if all of Gore's assumptions concerning the causes of global
warming are accurate - a considerable if, by the way - Kyoto wouldn't
halt the warming or even appreciably slow it down.
Tom Wigley, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric
Research, has calculated (according to the NCAR Web site) that
compliance with Kyoto "would shave 0.11 to 0.21 degrees Celsius
(0.20–0.38 degrees Fahrenheit) off global average temperatures by
2100." For the record, Wigley favors Kyoto but believes additional
measures are required.
But at what cost? Kyoto compliance alone, the federal government
estimates, would drain $300-$400 billion from the U.S. economy each
year. An accelerated mandate for still more drastic reduction of
greenhouse gases could send the world economy into a tailspin at a
time when evidence is mounting that stagnant economies will not be
nimble enough to adapt to the significant challenges that greenhouse
warming might pose.
Even among nations that signed Kyoto, the agreement looks like a
costly bust. The International Council for Capital Formation, a think
tank in Brussels, reports that the 15 European Union signatories will
not cut their overall greenhouse-gas emissions by 4 percent in 2010,
as the agreement dictates; instead, emissions will rise by 8 percent.
Great Britain indeed projects lower emissions, but that's due to a
one-time switch from oil to natural gas to fuel its electric plants
and because Dupont closed a large plant.
The ICCF also concludes that a Kyoto-like proposal by Sen. John
McCain, R-Ariz., to "cap and trade" U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions
would reduce national income by 1.9 percentage points by 2020 and cost
1.3 million jobs; the average household would be $2,300 poorer as a
result of higher energy prices and lower productivity.
Without setting goals or timetables to reduce greenhouse gases, the
United States has reduced its "energy intensity" - the amount of
energy we consume per dollar - nearly twice as fast as the EU over the
past decade. That's because U.S. entrepreneurs have been free to
invest in cleaner, more efficient technologies that will actually
reduce greenhouse-gas emissions over time, rather than scrambling to
meet arbitrary caps.
In fact, the AP6 partnership struck last year by the U.S., Australia,
Japan, India, China and South Korea may do more to reduce greenhouse
gases and push global prosperity than the Kyoto crowd could imagine.
As members of AP6, India and China (which did not sign Kyoto) will
invest in cleaner technologies supplied by the other partners. That's
important because the AP6 accounts for 49 percent of the global
economy and produces half the planet's man-made greenhouse gases.
Richer societies are better positioned to develop and exploit
cutting-edge technologies that run cleaner. The challenge for
policymakers is to get beyond petty moralizing and figure out ways to
democratize economic growth.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: "Joe S."

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 01:07:35 PM
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:57lo82la7fhnoa7jkj1narjdprfop92270@4ax.com...

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006

You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:
1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.
If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 01:53:36 PM
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:


"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:57lo82la7fhnoa7jkj1narjdprfop92270@4ax.com...

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006



You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.

The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.
"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Erik A. Mattila"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 12 Jun 2006 01:35:42 AM
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:


"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:57lo82la7fhnoa7jkj1narjdprfop92270@4ax.com...

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006



You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.


The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.

"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore

But wasn't de nile the wellspring of religion?
.

User: "Jeffrey Turner"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 08:58:34 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006



You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.


The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.

"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore

Are you paid to be stupid or does it come naturally?
The party of the fundamentalist religious whacks thinks that
everything is a religion. Or is it because he used the word
"moral"?
--Jeff
--
The shepherd always tries to persuade
the sheep that their interests and
his own are the same. --Stendhal
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 10:16:02 PM
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:58:34 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006



You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.


The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.

"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore


Are you paid to be stupid or does it come naturally?

The party of the fundamentalist religious whacks thinks that
everything is a religion. Or is it because he used the word
"moral"?

Gore has his own moral majority. He also likes the word "truth".
If you don't accept my revealed truth than you are immoral.
Jerry Falwell couldn't say it any better.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Jeffrey Turner"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 11:41:58 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:58:34 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:


Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006


You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.


The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.

"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore


Are you paid to be stupid or does it come naturally?

The party of the fundamentalist religious whacks thinks that
everything is a religion. Or is it because he used the word
"moral"?


Gore has his own moral majority. He also likes the word "truth".

If you don't accept my revealed truth than you are immoral.

Jerry Falwell couldn't say it any better.

OK, go ahead and disbelieve the "truth" of gravity.
--Jeff
--
The shepherd always tries to persuade
the sheep that their interests and
his own are the same. --Stendhal
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 12 Jun 2006 12:04:49 AM
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:41:58 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:58:34 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:07:35 -0400, "Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote:

"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:


Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006


You rightwingers don't understand that by throwing your bodies in front of
EVERYTHING that addresses such questions as global warming, environmental
degradation, and energy exhaustion you are doing two things:

1. Arguing yourselves into irrelevancy.
2. Dragging the rest of us with you.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead, but stop trying
to make the rest of us follow.


The Captain merely seeks to avoid one more religion.

"The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific
community about this. But the political systems around the world have
held this at arm's length because it's an inconvenient truth, because
they don't want to accept that it's a moral imperative." -- AL Gore


Are you paid to be stupid or does it come naturally?

The party of the fundamentalist religious whacks thinks that
everything is a religion. Or is it because he used the word
"moral"?


Gore has his own moral majority. He also likes the word "truth".

If you don't accept my revealed truth than you are immoral.

Jerry Falwell couldn't say it any better.


OK, go ahead and disbelieve the "truth" of gravity.

So you've discovered the truth of gravity eh? A Nobel Prize is sure to
follow.
Science never pursues the illusory aim of making its answers final, or
even probable. Its advance is, rather, towards the infinite yet
attainable aim of ever discovering new, deeper, and more general
problems, and of subjecting its ever tentative answers to ever renewed
and ever more rigorous tests. -- Sir Karl Popper
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.






User: "Randy Cox"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 01:13:29 PM
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:57lo82la7fhnoa7jkj1narjdprfop92270@4ax.com...

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006
http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4763801,00.html

Al Gore was in Denver last month to promote his global-warming
documentary An Inconvenient Truth, which features the former vice
president and opened here Friday.

Unfortunately, as Gore jets around the world promoting his movie, he
continues to argue that central planning on an international scale is
the only appropriate response to rising temperatures. And he downplays
or ignores the high cost and uncertain payoff of such an approach.

The Kyoto Protocol on global warming - the cornerstone of Gore's
agenda - is flawed for two major reasons. The most obvious is that
even if all of Gore's assumptions concerning the causes of global
warming are accurate - a considerable if, by the way - Kyoto wouldn't
halt the warming or even appreciably slow it down.

Tom Wigley, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric
Research, has calculated (according to the NCAR Web site) that
compliance with Kyoto "would shave 0.11 to 0.21 degrees Celsius
(0.20-0.38 degrees Fahrenheit) off global average temperatures by
2100." For the record, Wigley favors Kyoto but believes additional
measures are required.

But at what cost? Kyoto compliance alone, the federal government
estimates, would drain $300-$400 billion from the U.S. economy each
year. An accelerated mandate for still more drastic reduction of
greenhouse gases could send the world economy into a tailspin at a
time when evidence is mounting that stagnant economies will not be
nimble enough to adapt to the significant challenges that greenhouse
warming might pose.

Even among nations that signed Kyoto, the agreement looks like a
costly bust. The International Council for Capital Formation, a think
tank in Brussels, reports that the 15 European Union signatories will
not cut their overall greenhouse-gas emissions by 4 percent in 2010,
as the agreement dictates; instead, emissions will rise by 8 percent.
Great Britain indeed projects lower emissions, but that's due to a
one-time switch from oil to natural gas to fuel its electric plants
and because Dupont closed a large plant.

The ICCF also concludes that a Kyoto-like proposal by Sen. John
McCain, R-Ariz., to "cap and trade" U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions
would reduce national income by 1.9 percentage points by 2020 and cost
1.3 million jobs; the average household would be $2,300 poorer as a
result of higher energy prices and lower productivity.

Without setting goals or timetables to reduce greenhouse gases, the
United States has reduced its "energy intensity" - the amount of
energy we consume per dollar - nearly twice as fast as the EU over the
past decade. That's because U.S. entrepreneurs have been free to
invest in cleaner, more efficient technologies that will actually
reduce greenhouse-gas emissions over time, rather than scrambling to
meet arbitrary caps.

In fact, the AP6 partnership struck last year by the U.S., Australia,
Japan, India, China and South Korea may do more to reduce greenhouse
gases and push global prosperity than the Kyoto crowd could imagine.

As members of AP6, India and China (which did not sign Kyoto) will
invest in cleaner technologies supplied by the other partners. That's
important because the AP6 accounts for 49 percent of the global
economy and produces half the planet's man-made greenhouse gases.

Richer societies are better positioned to develop and exploit
cutting-edge technologies that run cleaner. The challenge for
policymakers is to get beyond petty moralizing and figure out ways to
democratize economic growth.

--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

Men of vision say, "Yes, we can do it!"
Lesser men deny the need for action, until the need overwhelms them. Then
they argue it can't be done! When it is shown that it can be done, they say
it is not worth the bother.
The sum of all positives is balanced by an equal set of negatives. It is
impossible for anything to exist when the sum of all things equal zero, yet
the positives make it happen despite the negatives. It is a mystery!
Science calls it quantum physics or chaos. Religion calls it Creation. It
is what it is therefore the eternal I am.
Randy R. Cox
.

User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 10:54:10 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006
http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4763801,00.html

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. This stuff is just 'trolling'.
.

User: "Igor The Terrible"

Title: Re: Inconvenient truth, a sequel 11 Jun 2006 12:58:15 PM
Like I said in previous posts, we should have been thinking about this
30 years ago. Even if the entire planet stopped burning fossil fuels
starting tomorrow morning, we are still fucked. It would be more
prudent on how to survive the climate change rather than stop it.
Figuring out a way to shield ourselves from cosmic radiation wouldn't
be a bad idea either--even though we still have about 250-300 years to
go before the poles shift. However, as usual, we will be caught with
our pants down on that as well.
Captain Compassion wrote:

Inconvenient truth, a sequel
Weigh the costs and benefits
June 11, 2006
http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_4763801,00.html

Al Gore was in Denver last month to promote his global-warming
documentary An Inconvenient Truth, which features the former vice
president and opened here Friday.

Unfortunately, as Gore jets around the world promoting his movie, he
continues to argue that central planning on an international scale is
the only appropriate response to rising temperatures. And he downplays
or ignores the high cost and uncertain payoff of such an approach.

The Kyoto Protocol on global warming - the cornerstone of Gore's
agenda - is flawed for two major reasons. The most obvious is that
even if all of Gore's assumptions concerning the causes of global
warming are accurate - a considerable if, by the way - Kyoto wouldn't
halt the warming or even appreciably slow it down.

Tom Wigley, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric
Research, has calculated (according to the NCAR Web site) that
compliance with Kyoto "would shave 0.11 to 0.21 degrees Celsius
(0.20-0.38 degrees Fahrenheit) off global average temperatures by
2100." For the record, Wigley favors Kyoto but believes additional
measures are required.

But at what cost? Kyoto compliance alone, the federal government
estimates, would drain $300-$400 billion from the U.S. economy each
year. An accelerated mandate for still more drastic reduction of
greenhouse gases could send the world economy into a tailspin at a
time when evidence is mounting that stagnant economies will not be
nimble enough to adapt to the significant challenges that greenhouse
warming might pose.

Even among nations that signed Kyoto, the agreement looks like a
costly bust. The International Council for Capital Formation, a think
tank in Brussels, reports that the 15 European Union signatories will
not cut their overall greenhouse-gas emissions by 4 percent in 2010,
as the agreement dictates; instead, emissions will rise by 8 percent.
Great Britain indeed projects lower emissions, but that's due to a
one-time switch from oil to natural gas to fuel its electric plants
and because Dupont closed a large plant.

The ICCF also concludes that a Kyoto-like proposal by Sen. John
McCain, R-Ariz., to "cap and trade" U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions
would reduce national income by 1.9 percentage points by 2020 and cost
1.3 million jobs; the average household would be $2,300 poorer as a
result of higher energy prices and lower productivity.

Without setting goals or timetables to reduce greenhouse gases, the
United States has reduced its "energy intensity" - the amount of
energy we consume per dollar - nearly twice as fast as the EU over the
past decade. That's because U.S. entrepreneurs have been free to
invest in cleaner, more efficient technologies that will actually
reduce greenhouse-gas emissions over time, rather than scrambling to
meet arbitrary caps.

In fact, the AP6 partnership struck last year by the U.S., Australia,
Japan, India, China and South Korea may do more to reduce greenhouse
gases and push global prosperity than the Kyoto crowd could imagine.

As members of AP6, India and China (which did not sign Kyoto) will
invest in cleaner technologies supplied by the other partners. That's
important because the AP6 accounts for 49 percent of the global
economy and produces half the planet's man-made greenhouse gases.

Richer societies are better positioned to develop and exploit
cutting-edge technologies that run cleaner. The challenge for
policymakers is to get beyond petty moralizing and figure out ways to
democratize economic growth.

--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

.


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