Increase in attacks on American soldiers is actually a sign of progress. Yup. That's what he said.



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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 03 Nov 2003 09:06:55 AM
Object: Increase in attacks on American soldiers is actually a sign of progress. Yup. That's what he said.

It's not exactly the throwing of flowers that we were promised by Bush
and Cheney pre-war, but, you know... flowers... car bombs... it's
close enough for Dubya.
Yes, if George W. Bush's lame attempt to pass the buck on "Mission
Accomplished" left you confused, his take on the recent spate of car
bombings and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq will make your head spin.
According to Our Great Leader, the increase in attacks on American
soldiers and international aid agencies is actually a sign of
progress.
"The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will
react," said President Brainiac last week.
Oh really?
So following this logic, at what point can we declare total success on
the ground?
Hundreds of attacks per day?
Thousands?
I mean, seriously, I'd like to know, because frankly this whole thing
just seems to be getting kinda *****-backwards.
First George W. Bush declares Mission Accomplished at the beginning of
the conflict, and now he's of the opinion that the more American
troops are blown up and shot at, the better we're doing?
How bizarre.
From The Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
.

User: "William Lenz"

Title: Re: Increase in attacks on American soldiers is actually a sign of progress. Yup. That's what he said. 03 Nov 2003 10:03:11 AM
Harry Hope

It's not exactly the throwing of flowers that we were promised by Bush
and Cheney pre-war, but, you know... flowers... car bombs... it's
close enough for Dubya.

Although I don't recall flowers (which btw was never mentioned, what was
mentioned was) I do recall seeing scenes fo celebration in the streets, and
US solders being welcomed. This didn't happen all over Iraq but then I was
never truly stated that it would.

Yes, if George W. Bush's lame attempt to pass the buck on "Mission
Accomplished" left you confused, his take on the recent spate of car
bombings and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq will make your head spin.

The only ones that it confused were those looking for excuses for attacking
the President in this manner. Most people saw the sign for what is was a
transistion point. The end of one mission in Iraq and the beginning of
another.

According to Our Great Leader, the increase in attacks on American
soldiers and international aid agencies is actually a sign of
progress.

In a fashion you're misrepresenting the comment that was made. Will a weasel
fight harder when its cornered or when its on open ground? Myself I don't
agree with that stand (although I don't have the same info the President
has), but I will say in honest fairness that I understand what that
statement was refering to.

"The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will
react," said President Brainiac last week.
Oh really?

Again I go back to my above analogy question.
"Will a weasel fight harder when its cornered or when its on open ground?"

So following this logic, at what point can we declare total success on
the ground?
Hundreds of attacks per day?
Thousands?

If we had a clue we would know success is based upon the total defeat of all
who oppose the misson.
This means the weasels are either caught, killed, or driven out.
At this time there are three missions occuring in Iraq ( we're multitasking
there)
1 Rebuilding and/or improving (trying wining the favor of Iraqi citizens
with civial improvements)
2 Securing the country (defeating all those that should have been defeated
in the early stage)
3 Developing a free Iraqi goverment.

I mean, seriously, I'd like to know, because frankly this whole thing
just seems to be getting kinda *****-backwards.

Isn't that the purpose of spin?
I spin something so that it looks *****-backwards to better suite my side of
the arguement.
If you want this to be forward stop spinning it.

First George W. Bush declares Mission Accomplished at the beginning of
the conflict, and now he's of the opinion that the more American
troops are blown up and shot at, the better we're doing?

Again the referance is a simple one. The tighter we move them into the
corner the harder they'll fight to breakout. This should not be taken as a
literal corner but a political one. The more we rebuild Iraq, the more Iraqi
hearts and minds we win over by our and the worlds work there, the more
we're politically placing the weasels into a corner. As such the more those
that don't want this outcome will fight to destablize and destroy the work
being done through acts of violence.
I don't see why that consept is so hard to understand?

How bizarre.

The only truly bizarre thing is how you of obvious intelegence cannot
understand a simple principal that should have been learned in early grade
school (for some who've been around animals even earlier).



From The Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/

Harry

.
User: "Me"

Title: Re: Increase in attacks on American soldiers is actually a sign of progress. Yup. That's what he said. 03 Nov 2003 06:19:22 PM
16 American soldiers dead and this punk Lenz wants to debate some Harry Hope
guy.
Does Lenz givashit about the dead soldiers?
"William Lenz" <billlenz@erie.net> wrote in message
news:vqcv6uq9drntc3@corp.supernews.com...

Harry Hope

It's not exactly the throwing of flowers that we were promised by Bush
and Cheney pre-war, but, you know... flowers... car bombs... it's
close enough for Dubya.


Although I don't recall flowers (which btw was never mentioned, what was
mentioned was) I do recall seeing scenes fo celebration in the streets,

and

US solders being welcomed. This didn't happen all over Iraq but then I was
never truly stated that it would.

Yes, if George W. Bush's lame attempt to pass the buck on "Mission
Accomplished" left you confused, his take on the recent spate of car
bombings and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq will make your head spin.


The only ones that it confused were those looking for excuses for

attacking

the President in this manner. Most people saw the sign for what is was a
transistion point. The end of one mission in Iraq and the beginning of
another.

According to Our Great Leader, the increase in attacks on American
soldiers and international aid agencies is actually a sign of
progress.


In a fashion you're misrepresenting the comment that was made. Will a

weasel

fight harder when its cornered or when its on open ground? Myself I don't
agree with that stand (although I don't have the same info the President
has), but I will say in honest fairness that I understand what that
statement was refering to.

"The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will
react," said President Brainiac last week.
Oh really?


Again I go back to my above analogy question.
"Will a weasel fight harder when its cornered or when its on open ground?"

So following this logic, at what point can we declare total success on
the ground?
Hundreds of attacks per day?
Thousands?


If we had a clue we would know success is based upon the total defeat of

all

who oppose the misson.
This means the weasels are either caught, killed, or driven out.
At this time there are three missions occuring in Iraq ( we're

multitasking

there)
1 Rebuilding and/or improving (trying wining the favor of Iraqi citizens
with civial improvements)
2 Securing the country (defeating all those that should have been defeated
in the early stage)
3 Developing a free Iraqi goverment.

I mean, seriously, I'd like to know, because frankly this whole thing
just seems to be getting kinda *****-backwards.


Isn't that the purpose of spin?
I spin something so that it looks *****-backwards to better suite my side of
the arguement.
If you want this to be forward stop spinning it.

First George W. Bush declares Mission Accomplished at the beginning of
the conflict, and now he's of the opinion that the more American
troops are blown up and shot at, the better we're doing?


Again the referance is a simple one. The tighter we move them into the
corner the harder they'll fight to breakout. This should not be taken as a
literal corner but a political one. The more we rebuild Iraq, the more

Iraqi

hearts and minds we win over by our and the worlds work there, the more
we're politically placing the weasels into a corner. As such the more

those

that don't want this outcome will fight to destablize and destroy the work
being done through acts of violence.

I don't see why that consept is so hard to understand?

How bizarre.


The only truly bizarre thing is how you of obvious intelegence cannot
understand a simple principal that should have been learned in early grade
school (for some who've been around animals even earlier).






From The Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/

Harry



.
User: "William Lenz"

Title: Re: Increase in attacks on American soldiers is actually a sign of progress. Yup. That's what he said. 03 Nov 2003 11:06:27 PM
Me

16 American soldiers dead and this punk Lenz wants to debate some Harry

Hope

guy.

That I have seen HH doesn't debate he only copy/pastes articals and adds a
line of comment. Knowing there would be no response from him I was only
offering a differing view.

Does Lenz givashit about the dead soldiers?

Been there and done that and have my ar-com for the service I gave. Would be
there now, but leaving the service and now age stops me. Do you understand,
that when you looking down the barrel getting ready to take a persons life
you need to know the reason your about to kill a man is a just one. When
your out on patrol drawing the fire of your enemies hopeing you and your
team can react in time to kill them first, you need the comfort that the
sacrifice you may be making is for a good reason (a higher purpose).
So in answering your question directly, Yes.
And its good of you to bring them up.
Myself I just don't want there deaths, and all the others that have died to
date to be in vain. They and I believe in the cause, and hope there fighting
and dying for.
Bill
.




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