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"John Doe" |
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21 Dec 2005 03:43:08 PM |
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independent views of the alleged illegal wiretapping |
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country, but
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
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| User: "The Pretzel" |
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| Title: Re: independent views of the alleged illegal wiretapping. IMPEACHMENT TIME. |
21 Dec 2005 07:52:58 PM |
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns97339FE6313EBfollydom@207.115.17.102...
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country, but
Uh-huh, sure you do...
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
NOPE. It is CLEAR. He committed a Felony and he LIED to our face saying that
he doesn't do that....
IMPEACHMENT TIME.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
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| User: "John Doe" |
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| Title: Re: independent views of the alleged illegal wiretapping. IMPEACHMENT TIME. |
21 Dec 2005 09:06:10 PM |
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"The Pretzel" <rold_gold hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Doe" <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country,
but
Uh-huh, sure you do...
A fact proved by my posting history.
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
NOPE. It is CLEAR. He committed a Felony and he LIED to our face
saying that he doesn't do that....
IMPEACHMENT TIME.
So you say throughout your extremely biased posting history.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
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| User: "The Pretzel" |
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| Title: Re: independent views of the alleged illegal wiretapping. IMPEACHMENT TIME. |
21 Dec 2005 10:23:44 PM |
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
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"The Pretzel" <rold_gold hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Doe" <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country,
but
Uh-huh, sure you do...
A fact proved by my posting history.
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
NOPE. It is CLEAR. He committed a Felony and he LIED to our face
saying that he doesn't do that....
IMPEACHMENT TIME.
So you say throughout your extremely biased posting history.
Oh? ..I see..
Your Logic follows along a line of:
I am biased therefore -my opinion is always false.(?) -I'm not
"independent"*(?) (*of whom?)
-Did you see any of my posts on gun ownership?
-On the Killian memos?
-Do they follow my "ideology"?
How STUPID can you be not to see that:
1. ...he VIOLATED FISA; The Foriegn Intelligence Serveillance Act"? It is
also called a "LAW" Can you say L-A-W? Do you know what a LAW is and who
writes those laws?
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/
2. ...he ADMITTED IT? He CONFESSED. He might as well have said "I'm GUILTY,
Take me away.".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4538286.stm
3. How "independent" can YOU be? Are you a rightwing-Rightarded-BS-Liar-SOB
Screen-Name Shifter? Are you independent because you SAY you are?
-OR- maybe when you say "independent" you left out "of any brain cells."
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/sega-brain-trainer-replaces-brain-cells-lost-to-beer-and-bong-hits-143066.php
http://www.segatoys.co.jp/brain_trainer/index.html
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: independent views of the alleged illegal wiretapping. IMPEACHMENTTIME. |
21 Dec 2005 09:17:26 PM |
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John Doe wrote:
"The Pretzel" <rold_gold hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Doe" <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country,
but
Uh-huh, sure you do...
A fact proved by my posting history.
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
NOPE. It is CLEAR. He committed a Felony and he LIED to our face
saying that he doesn't do that....
IMPEACHMENT TIME.
So you say throughout your extremely biased posting history.
Could it be that he's been *right* all along?
<FLUSH>
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| User: "chess" |
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21 Dec 2005 05:03:35 PM |
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns97339FE6313EBfollydom@207.115.17.102...
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country, but
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
__________________________________
Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking
about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has
changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're
talking about getting a court order before we do so." -- George Bush, April
20, 2004
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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22 Dec 2005 01:27:25 PM |
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John Doe <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote:
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our
country, but whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
His activities are demonstrably felonies -- if not treason. There's
no question that he's been committing crimes here.
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22 Dec 2005 08:54:44 PM |
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FRice SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
John Doe <jdoe usenet.love.invalid> wrote:
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our
country, but whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
His activities are demonstrably felonies --
I won't hold my breath waiting for your demonstration.
if not treason.
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
There's no question that he's been committing crimes here.
There's no question you have an opinion. Are you that lazy, all you
can do is emphasize your black and white opinion? As if your opinion
makes a hen's ***** of difference in the world.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
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| User: "Server 13" |
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21 Dec 2005 04:11:15 PM |
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John Doe wrote:
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country, but
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
Nope, reread.
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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23 Dec 2005 12:46:23 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:43:08 -0800, John Doe wrote
(in article <Xns97339FE6313EBfollydom@207.115.17.102>):
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country, but
whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls can
be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by someone
innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of speaking
to your wife at home is different than the privacy of speaking to
your child on your mobile phone and that is different than your
privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be enough
to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course heaven
forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
WIRETAPPING is NOT a "gray area".
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| User: "John Doe" |
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23 Dec 2005 02:00:08 PM |
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Paul Revere <Zero nowhere.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:43:08 -0800, John Doe wrote
(in article <Xns97339FE6313EBfollydom 207.115.17.102>):
I think George Bush Jr. and others have mishandled our country,
but whether the wiretapping was illegal is not clear.
The "war" (an imaginary war since our leaders continue taking
month-long vacations) does not justify a president bypassing the
law, but things change and the law does not necessarily apply.
One of the issues has to do with public versus private domains.
People take pictures of other people and record sounds in public
without worrying about invasion of privacy. Mobile phone calls
can be monitored by ordinary hackers, and even accidentally by
someone innocently experimenting with electronics. The privacy of
speaking to your wife at home is different than the privacy of
speaking to your child on your mobile phone and that is different
than your privacy when speaking to the checker in a grocery store
line.
Like it or not, there is a gray area.
The combined offenses by the current administration might be
enough to impeach, but the single offense won't be. And of course
heaven forbid that ***** Cheney becomes our president.
WIRETAPPING is NOT a "gray area".
There is nothing unusual or unique about the term "gray area",
unless maybe you suffer from the ones and zeros disease.
Wiretapping is an old expression that does not apply very well to
modern communications. Many forms of communications can be monitored
legally for example communications through your Internet service
provider.
As many people who know something about electronics technology
already know, anyone who is technically inclined can buy equipment
that will allow eavesdropping on mobilephone conversations.
In fact, that very same point was raised today on C-SPAN. One
defense was that conversations are digitized. But the vast majority
of mobilephone conversations are probably still analog.
Like it or not, you simply cannot expect the same amount of privacy
or right to privacy that you have talking with someone in your car
or in your home.
Again, the penalty for violating a right to privacy varies
depending on the form of communication.
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