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"William Flax" |
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17 May 2007 02:06:56 PM |
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Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
The one salient point that emerges from the brief exchanges in Tuesday
Night's so-called "Debate" among Republican Presidential candidates, is that
former Mayor Giuliani, and Fox's pseudo-Conservative Shaun Hanity simply do
not understand the basic issues. Their semi-hysterical approaches, even to
the brief exchanges with Congressman Ron Paul, show that they have no grasp
of fundamental concepts of Constitutional Law, economics or foreign policy.
One may agree or disagree with Congressman Paul on some of the issues, but
there should be no place--even in the brief exchanges--for anyone to take
umbrage because someone else wants to discuss issues, you do not understand.
Neither Giuliani or Hanity's response to Paul showed even the most
rudimentary understanding of basic concepts.
To help those who have never studied fundamental concepts of Constitutional
Law, economics and foreign policy, to understand why Conservatives and
Libertarians take the stands that we do, please visit your Conservative
Resource Center:
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/current.htm
William Flax
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 02:35:29 PM |
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"William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:kJ13i.3007$y_7.2341@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
The one salient point that emerges from the brief exchanges in Tuesday
Night's so-called "Debate" among Republican Presidential candidates, is
that
former Mayor Giuliani, and Fox's pseudo-Conservative Shaun Hanity simply
do
not understand the basic issues. Their semi-hysterical approaches, even
to
the brief exchanges with Congressman Ron Paul, show that they have no
grasp
of fundamental concepts of Constitutional Law, economics or foreign
policy.
One may agree or disagree with Congressman Paul on some of the issues, but
there should be no place--even in the brief exchanges--for anyone to take
umbrage because someone else wants to discuss issues, you do not
understand.
Neither Giuliani or Hanity's response to Paul showed even the most
rudimentary understanding of basic concepts.
To help those who have never studied fundamental concepts of
Constitutional
Law, economics and foreign policy, to understand why Conservatives and
Libertarians take the stands that we do, please visit your Conservative
Resource Center:
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/current.htm
William Flax
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
18 May 2007 08:52:08 AM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:kJ13i.3007$y_7.2341@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
The one salient point that emerges from the brief exchanges in Tuesday
Night's so-called "Debate" among Republican Presidential candidates, is
that
former Mayor Giuliani, and Fox's pseudo-Conservative Shaun Hanity simply
do
not understand the basic issues. Their semi-hysterical approaches, even
to
the brief exchanges with Congressman Ron Paul, show that they have no
grasp
of fundamental concepts of Constitutional Law, economics or foreign
policy.
One may agree or disagree with Congressman Paul on some of the issues,
but
there should be no place--even in the brief exchanges--for anyone to take
umbrage because someone else wants to discuss issues, you do not
understand.
Neither Giuliani or Hanity's response to Paul showed even the most
rudimentary understanding of basic concepts.
To help those who have never studied fundamental concepts of
Constitutional
Law, economics and foreign policy, to understand why Conservatives and
Libertarians take the stands that we do, please visit your Conservative
Resource Center:
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/current.htm
William Flax
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
There is a profound truth in debates and thats what you see is what you get.
Thats why I'm still astouned that Bush won the second time.
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| User: "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 03:02:01 PM |
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In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 06:24:42 PM |
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
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| User: "Benj" |
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18 May 2007 01:57:49 AM |
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Herb Martin wrote:
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
Look at this. You've ALREADY fallen victim to the Giuliani spin! What
Paul said was that there is little wonder that 9/11 happened given
that we've had soldiers in Iraq for X number of years.
Giuliani did a fit pretending that Ron Paul was saying ridiculous
things hoping (like all the RINOs and liberals here do) that people
would just do monkey-see monkey-do and just repeat his ATTITUDE and
forget about any substance. Herb has obviously fallen for this trick.
We won't discuss Ron Paul's manner because that is a different issue.
But his statement in effect made the point. we've had soldiers doing
things (breaking things and killing people) in Iraq for years prior to
9/11. Arabs live over there and are pretty much pissed about it. Some
are more pissed than others. Yet, when they drive aircraft into tall
buildings we are all supposed to be so taken by total surprise that
SOMEHOW we ended up a target of Jihad? Duh! And Giuliani made fun of
these ideas and called them insane and ludicrous (or whatever he said
it was the impression he was trying to give, in any case).
You tell me. Just WHO is the "looney" in this debate? the guy who said
9/11 should have been expected given our recent history in the Middle
East, or the guy saying that it was totally impossible for anyone to
even GUESS that some Arabs might be pissed.
This technique ranks right up there with the election where the media
drummed Howard Dean out of the presidential race because <gasp>! He
actually gave a rousing political speech!!!! Imagine that? How in hell
can a politician be "presidential" if he gives political speeches? I"m
sure NONE of the other candidates (or previous presidents) EVER gave a
rousing political speech! But, I'm sorry to say the trick worked like
magic on all you stupid Americans out there swigging beer, sucking a
joint, and watching some kind of game of "ball" on TV. You all just
aped the talking head MANNER without EVER asking what in hell they
were talking about! Had you done that you'd have seen that they were
every bit as stupid as Giuliani was in the debate. But Giuliani is
confident in your total ignorance and has few worries that anyone will
notice he's a lying moron.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
18 May 2007 08:52:10 AM |
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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1179471468.965071.123510@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Herb Martin wrote:
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
Look at this. You've ALREADY fallen victim to the Giuliani spin! What
Paul said was that there is little wonder that 9/11 happened given
that we've had soldiers in Iraq for X number of years.
Giuliani did a fit pretending that Ron Paul was saying ridiculous
things hoping (like all the RINOs and liberals here do) that people
would just do monkey-see monkey-do and just repeat his ATTITUDE and
forget about any substance. Herb has obviously fallen for this trick.
We won't discuss Ron Paul's manner because that is a different issue.
But his statement in effect made the point. we've had soldiers doing
things (breaking things and killing people) in Iraq for years prior to
9/11. Arabs live over there and are pretty much pissed about it. Some
are more pissed than others. Yet, when they drive aircraft into tall
buildings we are all supposed to be so taken by total surprise that
SOMEHOW we ended up a target of Jihad? Duh! And Giuliani made fun of
these ideas and called them insane and ludicrous (or whatever he said
it was the impression he was trying to give, in any case).
You tell me. Just WHO is the "looney" in this debate? the guy who said
9/11 should have been expected given our recent history in the Middle
East, or the guy saying that it was totally impossible for anyone to
even GUESS that some Arabs might be pissed.
This technique ranks right up there with the election where the media
drummed Howard Dean out of the presidential race because <gasp>! He
actually gave a rousing political speech!!!! Imagine that? How in hell
can a politician be "presidential" if he gives political speeches? I"m
sure NONE of the other candidates (or previous presidents) EVER gave a
rousing political speech! But, I'm sorry to say the trick worked like
magic on all you stupid Americans out there swigging beer, sucking a
joint, and watching some kind of game of "ball" on TV. You all just
aped the talking head MANNER without EVER asking what in hell they
were talking about! Had you done that you'd have seen that they were
every bit as stupid as Giuliani was in the debate. But Giuliani is
confident in your total ignorance and has few worries that anyone will
notice he's a lying moron.
Thats right Benj, lets have you make a pure repug party. Get rid of the
Rhinos, the non-neos, the non-non-non-(whatever) and the moderatess. Oooh,
moderates. Then you and your 18 colleagues will have an utterly pure repug
party. Aah, the peace, the silence, the powerlessness.
You haven't gotten it through your thick head yet, both parties should be
big tent parties. It worked for we dems in the past and it used to work for
you.
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| User: "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
18 May 2007 10:37:38 AM |
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In message news:eci3i.11930$j63.8149@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Kevin Cunningham sprach forth the following:
both parties should be
big tent parties. It worked for we dems
1. It's "us dems". But thanks for the proof of your government-school,
unionized-teacher education.
2. Was that the "big tent" in action when Bob Casey was prohibited from
speaking to the Democratic National Convention because he's pro-Life?
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
18 May 2007 07:54:08 AM |
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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1179471468.965071.123510@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Herb Martin wrote:
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
Look at this. You've ALREADY fallen victim to the Giuliani spin! What
Paul said was that there is little wonder that 9/11 happened given
that we've had soldiers in Iraq for X number of years.
I heard him.
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| User: "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 07:38:56 PM |
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In message news:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin sprach
forth the following:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
You appear to have some difficulty with reading comprehension. Supply
transcript quotes or get plonked.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 07:45:25 PM |
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933D20B18B2BFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
You appear to have some difficulty with reading comprehension. Supply
transcript quotes or get plonked.
Go ahead -- merely demanding transcript quotes is not reason for me to
feel the need to supply them.
I was not referring to transcripts but to my live viewing of the event so
you will have to get your own transcript.
Paul is irrelevant and I am sorry that this is true on so many levels as I
specifically paid attention to him to see whether he was worth any time
or attention.
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| User: "William Flax" |
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17 May 2007 08:43:24 PM |
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To suggest that the only candidate, other than Tom Tancredo, who showed any
knowledge of Constitutional Law was "irrelevant" says more about you than
about the candidate. The office being sought is a creation of the
Constitution. The President has no legitimate authority but via the
Constitution. When the President acts without reference to the
Constitution, he acts illegally and deserves no moral respect.
If you do not want to see our whole system of Government deteriorate, you
had better think again about what is "relevant."
But enough of this foolishness. This thread has given you ample opportunity
to specifically challenge Dr. Paul's views, and all you have been able to do
is cast aspersions. That is not an argument.
William Flax
"Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
news:464cf737$0$8979$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933D20B18B2BFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
You appear to have some difficulty with reading comprehension. Supply
transcript quotes or get plonked.
Go ahead -- merely demanding transcript quotes is not reason for me to
feel the need to supply them.
I was not referring to transcripts but to my live viewing of the event so
you will have to get your own transcript.
Paul is irrelevant and I am sorry that this is true on so many levels as I
specifically paid attention to him to see whether he was worth any time
or attention.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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18 May 2007 08:52:09 AM |
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"William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:0x73i.9231$rO7.6161@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
To suggest that the only candidate, other than Tom Tancredo, who showed
any knowledge of Constitutional Law was "irrelevant" says more about you
than about the candidate. The office being sought is a creation of the
Constitution. The President has no legitimate authority but via the
Constitution. When the President acts without reference to the
Constitution, he acts illegally and deserves no moral respect.
If you do not want to see our whole system of Government deteriorate, you
had better think again about what is "relevant."
But enough of this foolishness. This thread has given you ample
opportunity to specifically challenge Dr. Paul's views, and all you have
been able to do is cast aspersions. That is not an argument.
William Flax
"Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
" To suggest that the only candidate, other than Tom Tancredo, who showed
any
knowledge of Constitutional Law was "irrelevant" says more about you than
about the candidate."
Thank, buddy, that really cheered me up. I haven't reading anything that
dumb in years. Just the idea of Tancredo knowing the law is hilarious.
Look, I went to law school. Tancredo would be luck to get in. He is a one
note wonder who's making his fortune by playing to the morons in the house.
If your anti-mexican to the point that you face turns red, then Tancredo has
a ton of ways to spend your money. Look, Tancredo hasn't a hope in hell of
being the repug nominee, he's strictly here for the publicity. He's a short
timer but he'll be a rich short timer by the end of the campaign cycle.
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| User: "Geo" |
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18 May 2007 09:39:11 AM |
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On May 17, 9:43 pm, "William Flax" <krtq7...@prodigy.net> wrote:
To suggest that the only candidate, other than Tom Tancredo, who showed any
knowledge of Constitutional Law was "irrelevant" says more about you than
about the candidate. The office being sought is a creation of the
Constitution. The President has no legitimate authority but via the
Constitution. When the President acts without reference to the
Constitution, he acts illegally and deserves no moral respect.
If you do not want to see our whole system of Government deteriorate, you
had better think again about what is "relevant."
But enough of this foolishness. This thread has given you ample opportunity
to specifically challenge Dr. Paul's views, and all you have been able to do
is cast aspersions. That is not an argument.
William Flax"Herb Martin" <n...@learnquick.com> wrote in message
news:464cf737$0$8979$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nos...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933D20B18B2BFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In messagenews:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nos...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In messagenews:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
You appear to have some difficulty with reading comprehension. Supply
transcript quotes or get plonked.
Go ahead -- merely demanding transcript quotes is not reason for me to
feel the need to supply them.
I was not referring to transcripts but to my live viewing of the event so
you will have to get your own transcript.
Paul is irrelevant and I am sorry that this is true on so many levels as I
specifically paid attention to him to see whether he was worth any time
or attention.
William, republicans and democrats alike have become so conditioned to
congress and the president not following the constitution that they
think actually following it is some kind of radical idea. Pretty damn
sad.
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| User: "William Flax" |
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17 May 2007 06:49:17 PM |
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See Below:
"Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
news:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
Dr. Paul never had a chance to even address the responsibility question. He
merely commented on contributing factors. As for getting out of Iraq?
Isn't the burden on those who would keep us involved there, with the costs
soaring? Haven't you put everything backwards?
If Guiliani and Hanity have an arguable position, they should make their
argument--not cop out by feigning indignation for what they have no rational
response for.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 07:44:16 PM |
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"William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:KS53i.3123$4Y.787@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
See Below:
"Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
news:464ce44b$1$8998$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9933A318087AEFredGarvin@66.250.146.128...
In message news:464cae92$0$9007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, Herb Martin
sprach
forth the following:
Ron Paul came off as both incompetent and loony however.
What did he say (quotes from the transcript please, not Giuliani or
Hannity
spin) that gave you that impression?
Part of it was his delivery overall impression, but the specifics I
recall were his nutty ideas about responsibility for 9/11 and on
getting out of Iraq.
Dr. Paul never had a chance to even address the responsibility question.
He merely commented on contributing factors. As for getting out of Iraq?
Isn't the burden on those who would keep us involved there, with the costs
soaring? Haven't you put everything backwards?
If Guiliani and Hanity have an arguable position, they should make their
argument--not cop out by feigning indignation for what they have no
rational response for.
I didn't see Hannity's response -- I watched the debates.
Paul is irrelevant and I am sorry that this is true on so many levels as I
specifically paid attention to him to see whether he was worth any time
or attention.
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| User: "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" |
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| Title: Re: Intellectually Naked! Giuliani & Hanity. |
17 May 2007 07:40:06 PM |
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In message news:KS53i.3123$4Y.787@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net, William
Flax sprach forth the following:
If Guiliani and Hanity have an arguable position, they should make
their argument--not cop out by feigning indignation for what they have
no rational response for.
Hannity looked like an absolute moron flapping his gums with Ron Paul.
Colmes had the good sense to shut up and watch Sean go down in flames.
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