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"jackkincaid" |
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09 May 2004 07:05:33 AM |
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Iraqi militia wants sex slaves |
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
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| User: "billy" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi militia wants sex slaves |
09 May 2004 08:31:45 AM |
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"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
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To use an Australianism: "Good on yer, Mate!"
You have said it truthfully.
Western principles can be the weakness its enemies exploit - shamelessly.
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| User: "Energumen" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi militia wants sex slaves |
09 May 2004 08:08:54 AM |
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"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point? That
suspected burglars should be sodomised with chemical lights?
If someone beats me up and steals my wallet and I go to the police station
to report it I wouldn't be too pleased if the duty officer said to me "Can't
do anything about it because you should count yourself lucky since Dennis
Nielsen used to capture people, rape them, mutilate them, cut them up and
bury them in his garden".
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi militia wants sex slaves |
10 May 2004 10:50:09 AM |
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"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point? That
suspected burglars should be sodomised with chemical lights?
My point is, when some US soldiers allegedly sodomise an Iraqi
prisoner withan electric light they are (eventually) court martialled.
When the second-in-command of the Iraqi Shia militia, which is the
only militia in town (that town being Basra), he is cheered and hailed
as a hero. Not by all Iraqis of course (most Iraqis, we're told, want
democracy), but by plenty.
The difference is, the *official* moral standards of the democratic
world are superior to the moral standards of the Islamists. This has
been clear for years.
If someone beats me up and steals my wallet and I go to the police station
to report it I wouldn't be too pleased if the duty officer said to me "Can't
do anything about it because you should count yourself lucky since Dennis
Nielsen used to capture people, rape them, mutilate them, cut them up and
bury them in his garden".
You should count yourself lucky you don't live in a country ruled by
Dennis Nielson wannabes, where the only hope of escape from
Niellsonism is foreign invasion and occupation.
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| User: "1MAN4ALL" |
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09 May 2004 11:47:35 PM |
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"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point?
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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10 May 2004 10:54:51 AM |
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(1MAN4ALL) wrote in message news:<ba13f877.0405092047.498c160d@posting.google.com>...
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
Jack Kin... Jack the Rip... Hey, I see what you've done there. How
long did that take for you to work out?
Osama bin Laden, and all the Ladenettes in Iraq, Thailand, Algeria,
Afghanistan etc etc etc, are the closest things we have to Jack the
Ripper today - they murder innocent people for no good reason.
One or two of them, the relatively least harmful, appear to belong to
the US military. The overwhelming majority of them, and the worst of
them, belong to the same religious community as you.
This does not make you guilty of rape and murder; but it does make you
guilty of bearing false witness.
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| User: "Maya" |
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10 May 2004 05:21:03 AM |
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So, what you are saying is that if THEY do it, it is OK for us to do it,
right?
Since when two wrongs make one right? Look a the Boosh leader ship, two of
them made it worst!!
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ba13f877.0405092047.498c160d@posting.google.com...
"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point?
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
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| User: "" |
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10 May 2004 08:51:41 AM |
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Maya wrote:
So, what you are saying is that if THEY do it, it is OK for us to do it,
right?
Wrong, he is saying the pot is calling the kettle black.
Or people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or, would you like to have Saddam back?
Since when two wrongs make one right? Look a the Boosh leader ship, two of
them made it worst!!
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ba13f877.0405092047.498c160d@posting.google.com...
"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point?
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
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| User: "Energumen" |
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10 May 2004 09:04:27 AM |
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<xtmprszntwlfd@erols.com> wrote in message
news:409F88ED.D7ABE4DD@erols.com...
Maya wrote:
So, what you are saying is that if THEY do it, it is OK for us to do
it,
right?
Wrong, he is saying the pot is calling the kettle black.
Or people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or, would you like to have Saddam back?
That only makes any sense if you consider the entire population of Iraq to
be a single person, which is daft. If an american tourist stabs me in the
street he should be punished for it. The fact that my fellow countryman
Dennis Nielsen did far worse is a complete irrelevance to the question of
whether my attacker should be punished or not.
Since when two wrongs make one right? Look a the Boosh leader ship, two
of
them made it worst!!
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ba13f877.0405092047.498c160d@posting.google.com...
"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of
prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with
it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some
quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other
democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country
should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official
policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and
abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control
of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually
everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder.
As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point?
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
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| User: "" |
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10 May 2004 06:36:21 PM |
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Energumen wrote:
<xtmprszntwlfd@erols.com> wrote in message
news:409F88ED.D7ABE4DD@erols.com...
Maya wrote:
So, what you are saying is that if THEY do it, it is OK for us to do
it,
right?
Wrong, he is saying the pot is calling the kettle black.
Or people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or, would you like to have Saddam back?
That only makes any sense if you consider the entire population of Iraq to
be a single person, which is daft. If an american tourist stabs me in the
street he should be punished for it. The fact that my fellow countryman
Dennis Nielsen did far worse is a complete irrelevance to the question of
whether my attacker should be punished or not.
Not in this case. If the US wasn't there, saddam would be.
So, since the alternative to the US being there is saddam being there,
would you like saddam back?
Since when two wrongs make one right? Look a the Boosh leader ship, two
of
them made it worst!!
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ba13f877.0405092047.498c160d@posting.google.com...
"Energumen" <ener_gumen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<A3qnc.1904$NK4.156708@stones.force9.net>...
"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of
prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with
it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some
quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other
democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country
should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official
policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and
abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control
of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually
everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder.
As
most of them are already.
Even if all you say is true (which it isn't) what is your point?
Jack Kinkaid is Jack the Ripper of Truth...
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| User: "Maria" |
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09 May 2004 08:16:55 AM |
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On 9 May 2004 05:05:33 -0700, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Firstly, it appears to be an Arab thing to tit for tat, and secondly,
Al-Sadr does not have the support of any other Shia cleric. He is not
the Iraqi resistance. He is commander of the Medhi Brigades.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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10 May 2004 11:28:44 AM |
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(Maria) wrote in message news:<409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>...
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Are you saying there is a US army training manual that teaches
soldiers how to tie a dog leash on a prisoner, or insert a broom
handle up his arse?
If not, why are you pretending there is?
Firstly, it appears to be an Arab thing to tit for tat,
Oh, and that's a GOOD thing is it? Is that supposed to reassure us?
And since when is the sadism of three out-of-control jailers, who will
shortly be court martialled for not following orders (or training
manuals, presumably) to be found morally equivalent to wanton
terrorism, hostage taking, and sex slavery?
If your mother forces me at gun point to take off my clothes (I swear
it never happened BTW, whatever she says) does my entire family have
the right to murder all of your family, your friends, and all of their
families too? Is that 'tit for tat'?
sand secondly,
Al-Sadr does not have the support of any other Shia cleric. He is not
the Iraqi resistance. He is commander of the Medhi Brigades.
Who cares how many unelected lardy arsed gobshite 'clerics' support
him or not? They are one or two posturing ninnies in a country of 25
million.
What matters here - in the total abscence of representative democracy
in Iraq, as in every other nation in the region save those aligned to
the 'west' - is how many people are minded to follow a particular
course of action, and how much damage they are prepared to do in the
process. This Mahdi 'brigade' - actually an undisciplined fanatical
rabble of thieves and killers suffering under the collective delusion
that a supernatural being called a Mahdi will 'return' and 'save' them
from ... themselves, presumably - is large enough in number, stupid
and mad enough, and well enough armed, to cause trouble - more trouble
than anyone else. Thus they become the 'official' militia among those
Shias who don't want peace and democracy in Iraq.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
er ... I think you'll find buying and selling people is what we
humanoids call 'slavery'. And slavery is illegal in Israel. As far as
I know it's also 'illegal' in the Sudan, but since the government
there is a law unto itself - which is to say, unchecked by the
populace or any universal moral sensibility but operating according to
its own partial, Wahhabist interpretation of the Quran - slavery is
rife.
I'll say it again: the vast majority of Iraqis are obviously decent
people. Some of them have been deeply wronged by what the US and UK
have done. But that is nothing compared to the wrong done to them by
Saddam - AND by the wrongs already being done to them, and to our
soldiers, by the militias, by the 'Mahdi army' and by al-Qaida. And if
those groups were to win power, they would make Iraq a hellm on earth,
like Afghanistan under the Taliban.
Politicised religion always fails. The last religious community to
entirely understand this is Islamic; so let's say it again: political
Islam never works. The only hope Muslim people have of escaping
theocratic dictaorship is in alliance with the existing democratic
world, which means the USA and its allies.
Whether they like it or not, the alternative to friendship with the
'west' is infinitely worse, for all of us. And those who live in the
'west', who pretend to support Islamic theocracy, sharia law,
sectarianism and illiberalism are at best hypocrites and appeasers.
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10 May 2004 12:40:25 PM |
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"jackkincaid" <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
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frustrated@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote in message
news:<409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>...
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Are you saying there is a US army training manual that teaches
soldiers how to tie a dog leash on a prisoner, or insert a broom
handle up his arse?
Probably. Don't know if it's an FM series though.
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| User: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" |
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10 May 2004 11:31:20 AM |
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jackkincaid wrote:
frustrated@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote in message news:<409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>...
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Are you saying there is a US army training manual that teaches
soldiers how to tie a dog leash on a prisoner, or insert a broom
handle up his arse?
If not, why are you pretending there is?
Firstly, it appears to be an Arab thing to tit for tat,
Oh, and that's a GOOD thing is it? Is that supposed to reassure us?
And since when is the sadism of three out-of-control jailers, who will
A lot more than three it seems.
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
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| User: "Phaedrine" |
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09 May 2004 01:51:49 PM |
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In article <409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>,
(Maria) wrote:
On 9 May 2004 05:05:33 -0700, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Who in the hell is "we"? And either quote & cite the manual or slink
away for the liar you are.
[...]
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
Again, unless you can substantiate this, you can line up with the other
islamist liars.
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| User: "Maria" |
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09 May 2004 02:04:07 PM |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:51:49 -0500, Phaedrine
<Phaedrine_Stonebridge@spamenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>,
frustrated@ntlworld.com (Maria) wrote:
On 9 May 2004 05:05:33 -0700, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Who in the hell is "we"? And either quote & cite the manual or slink
away for the liar you are.
We as in Western intelligence and armed forces that defend our
countries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1210574,00.html
Are you so naive as to believe that interrogation techniques take
place with a nice cup of tea and a piece of cake?
[...]
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
Again, unless you can substantiate this, you can line up with the other
islamist liars.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150172000
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| User: "elmer swanson" |
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10 May 2004 12:59:29 PM |
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(Maria) wrote in message news:<409e7f3c.24596819@News.Individual.NET>...
On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:51:49 -0500, Phaedrine
<Phaedrine_Stonebridge@spamenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>,
(Maria) wrote:
On 9 May 2004 05:05:33 -0700, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Who in the hell is "we"? And either quote & cite the manual or slink
away for the liar you are.
We as in Western intelligence and armed forces that defend our
countries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1210574,00.html
Are you so naive as to believe that interrogation techniques take
place with a nice cup of tea and a piece of cake?
[...]
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
Again, unless you can substantiate this, you can line up with the other
islamist liars.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150172000
***********************QUOTE ON**********************
Human Rights Abuses Affecting Trafficked Women in Isreal's Sex
Industry
Although official statistics are not available, it is widely believed
that in the past few years thousands of women, including some girls,
from FSU countries have been trafficked to Israel to work in the sex
industry. Under Israeli laws, virtually all these women are illegal
aliens. They are in Israel without work permits or with false
documents, which makes them particularly vulnerable to human rights
abuses at the hands of traffickers, pimps and others involved in
Israel's sex industry. Amnesty International has received many reports
of trafficked women being subjected to various human rights abuses,
such as enslavement and other restrictions on their liberty, as well
as torture, including rape and other forms of sexual abuse....
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Compare with
********************QUOTE ON**************************
Human Rights Abuses Affecting Trafficked Women in Isreal's Sex
Industry
....This was also encouraged by the injunctions of the Quran. Muslims
are allowed four wives besides they are allowed to cohabit with any of
their female slaves. Surah iv:3 says, "Then marry what seem to be
good to you of women"; Surah iv:29, "Take what your right hand
possesses of young women", and Surah xxxiii:49, "Verily we make lawful
for thee what thy right hand possesses out of the booty God hath
granted thee." Muslims are allowed to take possession of married women
if they are slaves. Surah iv:28 declares, "Unlawful for you are…
married women, save such as your right hand possesses", that is,
female slaves captured in war.....
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http://www.bharatvani.org/books/mssmi/ch12.htm
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09 May 2004 05:14:05 PM |
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In article <409e7f3c.24596819@News.Individual.NET>,
(Maria) wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:51:49 -0500, Phaedrine
<Phaedrine_Stonebridge@spamenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <409e2de6.3772040@News.Individual.NET>,
(Maria) wrote:
On 9 May 2004 05:05:33 -0700, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
Plain untrue. If it is not policy, why do we have training manuals tot
each people how to do it?
Who in the hell is "we"? And either quote & cite the manual or slink
away for the liar you are.
We as in Western intelligence and armed forces that defend our
countries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1210574,00.html
Let me get this straight. You (and the Guardian) are citing a
20-something year old alleged CIA manual as proof that current soldiers
were schooled in these techniques? Gosh I hope you are not an attorney.
[...]
And it is not unlawful to buy and sell people in Israel.
Again, unless you can substantiate this, you can line up with the other
islamist liars.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150172000
You have not even remotely proven your claim.
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| User: "Ivan" |
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09 May 2004 11:03:44 AM |
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jackkincaid <theovermind@another.com> wrote in message
news:eb35fbed.0405090405.b377d87@posting.google.com...
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0%2C2763%2C1211248%2C00.html
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| User: "Comicboards.org" |
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09 May 2004 03:51:59 PM |
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jackkincaid wrote:
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
There is no "official" Iraqi resistance. And their statement has done
what it intended to do, cause pschological damage. In the US military,
women are relative safe from the frontline, but this isn't true for most
of the Western armies. Basically this is their psychops and it appears
to be working. We shall see if the Brits remove their women from the
front line, as well as how many protests asking Briton to rethink its
policy on allowing women in the front lines.
The US has resisted putting women on the front lines, for the simple
fact that they know Americans couldn't deal with the possibility of
female POWs being raped.
Great manuever by the rebels. :)
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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09 May 2004 07:41:32 AM |
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jackkincaid wrote:
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
"This IS the official policy of the Iraqi "resistance",' is it?
Unless, Jack, you happen to be a fanatical follower of Moqtada Sadr and
both take the pronouncements of Sheikh Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli, his
spokesman, to be the "official policy" of anyone other than Mr Sadr and
also consider his followers to be the only Iraqi "resistance" I don't
quite see how you make that out.
Do you think the Iraqi "resistance" is a monolithic body? Somehow I
doubt the Sunni resistance take the views of the Shia Mr Sadr
particularly seriously and neither, I would think, do his rival Shia
resistance leaders. Are you perhaps of the opinion that, for example,
the views of the Communist partisan leader General Tito adequately
represented the "official policy" of the Serbian Monarchist partisan
factions when both groups were fighting the German occupation of
Yugoslavia during WW2 (when, that is, they weren't fighting each other)?
You mistake, I think, resistance movements for armies. Armies can,
indeed, be said to have a policy, which is laid down by their
government. Resistance movements don't, other than the general one of
resisting an occupation. They comprise any number of local groups.
Some of these may take their policy from various opposing central
figures -- e.g. the Communist and the Monarchist resistance movements in
Greece in WW2 -- but even then the interpretation of the policy and,
indeed, if it's followed at all, is very much down to the individual
group of fighters.
Steve
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| User: "David Platt" |
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09 May 2004 12:09:27 PM |
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Stephen Glynn wrote:
jackkincaid wrote:
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
"This IS the official policy of the Iraqi "resistance",' is it? Unless,
Jack, you happen to be a fanatical follower of Moqtada Sadr and both
take the pronouncements of Sheikh Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli, his
spokesman, to be the "official policy" of anyone other than Mr Sadr and
also consider his followers to be the only Iraqi "resistance" I don't
quite see how you make that out.
How can you be so gullible. You will defend these repressive sado
masochists till the last.
Do you think the Iraqi "resistance" is a monolithic body? Somehow I
doubt the Sunni resistance take the views of the Shia Mr Sadr
particularly seriously and neither, I would think, do his rival Shia
resistance leaders.
Why do you doubt it.
THese are poeple who beat their wives, cut their infant children on the
head in ritual scarification, and beat themselves bloody with whips.
Why must you defend such bizarre people and pretend they are normal and
like westerners?
You mistake, I think, resistance movements for armies. Armies can,
indeed, be said to have a policy, which is laid down by their
government. Resistance movements don't, other than the general one of
resisting an occupation. They comprise any number of local groups.
Some of these may take their policy from various opposing central
figures -- e.g. the Communist and the Monarchist resistance movements in
Greece in WW2 -- but even then the interpretation of the policy and,
indeed, if it's followed at all, is very much down to the individual
group of fighters.
When the first british and or american service women are captured, and
raped, and pictures are broadcast, I hope you will come back on this
group and issue a full and frank apology for the position you are taking
on this issue now.
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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09 May 2004 06:16:28 PM |
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David Platt wrote:
Stephen Glynn wrote:
jackkincaid wrote:
We are rightly disgusted by photos of the mistreatment of prisoners in
a jail in Iraq. We can now expect the 'western' media to run with it -
the USA as a whole, and even 'western' culture, will in some quarters
shoulder the blame.
This torture is not part of US policy or that of any other democracy.
The Shia Islamic militia that is attempting to take over Iraq
meanwhile has ordered that all British females in the country should
be captured and made into (sex) slaves. This IS the official policy of
the Iraqi 'resistance'.
Therein lies the difference; what is considered abnormal and abhorent
in democracies is considered an acceptable weapon of war among the
Islamist militias - and the return of slavery in the Sudan and
Mauritania reinforces the point.
The democratic world contains sadists, and sometimes loses control of
them; Islamism is sadism in theory and action. Under the Iraqi
'resistance' *every* prison in Iraq would be a torture chamber,
*every* Iraqi, every Muslim and every Arab - and eventually everyone
else - would be at risk of ritual humilation, torture and murder. As
most of them are already.
"This IS the official policy of the Iraqi "resistance",' is it?
Unless, Jack, you happen to be a fanatical follower of Moqtada Sadr
and both take the pronouncements of Sheikh Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli,
his spokesman, to be the "official policy" of anyone other than Mr
Sadr and also consider his followers to be the only Iraqi "resistance"
I don't quite see how you make that out.
How can you be so gullible. You will defend these repressive sado
masochists till the last.
Do you think the Iraqi "resistance" is a monolithic body? Somehow I
doubt the Sunni resistance take the views of the Shia Mr Sadr
particularly seriously and neither, I would think, do his rival Shia
resistance leaders.
Why do you doubt it.
THese are poeple who beat their wives, cut their infant children on the
head in ritual scarification, and beat themselves bloody with whips.
Why must you defend such bizarre people and pretend they are normal and
like westerners?
Well, to start with you wouldn't AFAIK find many Sunnis beating
themselves bloody with whips since that's a Shia ritual. It's also,
AFAIK, pretty much a minority activity among Shia Muslims. Some lay
members of the Roman Catholic Church take semi-monastic vows and
flagellate themselves. Doesn't mean all, or indeed many, Catholics so
do. As to Iraqis cutting their infant children on the head in ritual
scarification, I can't say that this practice is particularly noticeable
when you see pictures of Iraqis on the news. Where are these scars
they all have? And as to their beating their wives, why do you suppose
it's more prevalent among Iraqis than, say, American servicemen? I
note, for example, that the ex-wife of one of the servicemen accused of
mistreating Iraqi prisoners has three separate injunctions out against
him to prevent him assaulting her.
I'm defending no one, btw. I'm just pointing out that it seems a bit
foolish to talk about "official policy of the Iraqi resistance" since I
don't think there is a single Iraqi resistance to have an official
policy. More generally, I don't think resistance movements usually
have an official policy unless they're in some way affiliated to an
external organisation, as were the Communist resistance movements
affiliated to the Comintern during WW2. Certainly my late wife's
grandfathers Latvian nationalist outfit took orders only from him; while
he and the other nationalist commanders tried to liase they certainly
didn't have a central command.
You mistake, I think, resistance movements for armies. Armies can,
indeed, be said to have a policy, which is laid down by their
government. Resistance movements don't, other than the general one
of resisting an occupation. They comprise any number of local
groups. Some of these may take their policy from various opposing
central figures -- e.g. the Communist and the Monarchist resistance
movements in Greece in WW2 -- but even then the interpretation of the
policy and, indeed, if it's followed at all, is very much down to the
individual group of fighters.
When the first british and or american service women are captured, and
raped, and pictures are broadcast, I hope you will come back on this
group and issue a full and frank apology for the position you are taking
on this issue now.
Eh? According to the Telegraph,
"America was braced last night for new allegations of torture in Iraq
after military officials said that photographs apparently showing US
soldiers beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death and having sex with a
female PoW were about to be released.
The officials told the US television network NBC that other images
showed soldiers "acting inappropriately with a dead body". A videotape,
apparently made by US personnel, is said to show Iraqi guards raping
young boys."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/09/wtort09.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/09/ixnewstop.html
Assuming these photos exist am I to take it you think that beating
prisoners nearly to death, having sex with female POWs (and
photographing it) and videotaping guards raping young boys is "the
offical policy" of the USA? Presumably the rapists and assailants were
given the OK by someone -- even if it was just the guy taking the
pictures -- or they wouldn't have done anything.
Steve
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