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Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits |
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top
nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad.
Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading
Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of
two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the
"no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts
higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly
could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about
the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the
terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the
foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other
members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not
enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.
Kill U.N. Teams
It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have
chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies
between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly
show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead
U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written
in English were discovered with the weapons.
The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by
the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous
conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons
with its conventional explosives.
The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors
was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an
article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to
conceal its arms technology.
According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German
aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to
prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the
country.
The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons
programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections
to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained
"rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and
delivery systems.
France and Russia
Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi
aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used
French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and
his own people.
The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's
arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to
meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety
techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.
It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two
inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell,
that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design
has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert
chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a
cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.
Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former
Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons
and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the
arms he purchased from Russia.
The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a
blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military
machine.
According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known
that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The
two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were
"nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used
so effectively in World War I."
Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory
of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter
attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled
with chemical weapons.
Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on
Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22
jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air
superiority.
The Next Attack
We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were
not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches -
when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not
make just one - he made tons.
Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N.
inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and
the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points
beyond.
U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment
flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The
General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos
showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.
We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded
that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and
again that George Bush lied.
The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly
proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his
weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.
The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery.
How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not
feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of
adequate proof.
Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have
to die from such a weapon to qualify?
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* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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17 May 2004 09:20:06 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
It does? Where do you find this crap Arky?
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19 May 2004 09:26:49 AM |
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"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
It does? Where do you find this crap Arky?
They are doing all they can to suppress the information.
The Liberal/Leftist media bury it on page 11 while showin a nude Iraqi on
page one for three weeks.
The networks CBS, ABC, NBC, & CNN are doing the same.
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
He lied.
The America media are not interested.
The Sarin road side bomb did not work effectively
The weapon was designed to be fired from an artilliary piece.
At that time the two chemicals start to combine.
The spinning of the projectile thoroughly mixes the agents.
The impact vaporizes the liquid into very small droplets.
Each droplet can kill a person if it contacts the skin or breathed into the
lungs.
That is why Bush wanted to prevent the Sadam Sarin & other WMD from being
smuggled into America.
If brought in binary form & properly mixed & dispersed into our cities it
could kill hundreds of thousands.
A crop duster plane could do that as one example.
Maybe even an aerosol can like bug spray could do it.
Why the Liberal/Leftist would rather Bash Bush, bash America military, & the
war on terrorism to just win an election is beyond me.
Don't they realize that WMD does not have to be used with a Ballistic
Missile?
They can be smuggled in cars, trucks, planes, ships, & just walk across the
border with a back pack.
One Gallon of properly mixed & dispersed Sarin can kill thousands of
Americans.
The roadside bomb had approx. one gallon of the chemicals needed to make a
weaponized Sarin gas.
The roadside bomb was not mixed & did not have proper impact to mix enough
to form a Sarin gas.
The Liberal/Leftist America media are so bent on overthrowing Bush that they
will not even report the danger. They would rather show nude prisoners &
say how awful the Bush people are conducting the War on Terrorism which is
World War III.
The media will not even acknowledge that we are even in World War III & that
they are giving aid & comfort to the enemy.
"Ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for
you" no longer applies to the Democrats.
The democrats are now Party before country
Sen Kennedy, Byrd, & Kerry put the Democrat Party before country.
Duuuh
Z
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| User: "Arnold Dulcimer" |
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19 May 2004 11:24:28 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:26:49 -0400, "Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote:
"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
It does? Where do you find this crap Arky?
They are doing all they can to suppress the information.
Suppress the information about a decades old artillery shell? That's
silly, it's been all over the news.
The Liberal/Leftist media bury it on page 11 while showin a nude Iraqi on
page one for three weeks.
I saw it on page one in our local paper and saw it on most major
networks. You're a liar.
The networks CBS, ABC, NBC, & CNN are doing the same.
Nope. It received as much attention as it deserved, which is very
little.
<garbage snipped>
How often are you going to paste this nonsense into your posts?
Duuuh
Z
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| User: "Man from Mars!" |
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17 May 2004 09:54:04 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
I doubt it. That's why Bush & Co. are being careful. It was probably
smuggled in from Syria or Iran in a "general" weapons cache.
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| User: "z" |
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17 May 2004 09:13:45 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad, when
we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a chemical shell
they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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17 May 2004 09:17:53 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad, when
we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a chemical shell
they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
I think we'd better quit playing politics with this thing and
*immediately* take Fallujah to ensure that any stores of these
shells and/or IED materials that may be there are secured..
--
* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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17 May 2004 10:00:53 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
Since they're likely holdovers from the 1980's, whatever atrocity there is
won't likely involve nerve agent.
--
-My Real Name
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Proud of America
Ashamed of Bush
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| User: "Norma Teague" |
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17 May 2004 10:47:20 PM |
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Is it likely that you aren't likely to be educated about the likelihood of
the sarin gas being from the 90's? It is likely that you should understand
that sarin gas is likely to be lethal decades after production. How likely
is that? Very likely.
Go back to school you sophomoric idiot.
"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
Since they're likely holdovers from the 1980's, whatever atrocity there is
won't likely involve nerve agent.
--
-My Real Name
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Proud of America
Ashamed of Bush
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18 May 2004 12:09:23 AM |
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"Norma Teague" <threedifferent1z@aol.com> wrote in message
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Is it likely that you aren't likely to be educated about the likelihood of
the sarin gas being from the 90's?
No, it isn't.
It is likely that you should understand that sarin gas is likely to be
lethal decades after production.
Also no, it isn't. Sarin degrades fairly quickly, as does it's separate
components. This is especially true of the type of Sarin manufactured by
the Iraqis, which our own intelligence estimates had an actual shelf-life of
only a few weeks.
How likely is that?
That would be "completely unlikely".
But thanks for playing.
Go back to school you sophomoric idiot.
Been there, got 2 degrees and everything. Plus, I can use Google to
research things before I go trying to talk *****.
Right-wing fool.
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-My Real Name
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Proud of America
Ashamed of Bush
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| User: "z" |
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17 May 2004 10:11:17 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:blsia05hktnvoqtl2s4gum2k5oo4kciadj@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad,
when we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a
chemical shell they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
You'd think we would have secured those munitions in the first place.
But aparently it wasn't a high priority. If you think they were hard to
find before -- when they were in warehouses -- , imagine how hard they'll
be to secure now.
I think we'd better quit playing politics with this thing and
*immediately* take Fallujah to ensure that any stores of these
shells and/or IED materials that may be there are secured..
I think we should put Saddam back in power and let him deal with it. He
was quite effective against the muslim nutcases in the past. Reagan and
Bush I certainly appreciated his efforts against Iran and when he filled
mass graves with Shia etc. They were obviously right.
-z@yada
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18 May 2004 09:25:02 AM |
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"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:blsia05hktnvoqtl2s4gum2k5oo4kciadj@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad,
when we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a
chemical shell they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
You'd think we would have secured those munitions in the first place.
But aparently it wasn't a high priority. If you think they were hard to
find before -- when they were in warehouses -- , imagine how hard they'll
be to secure now.
What WMD, the Liberal/Leftist took Sadams word that he destroyed all of
them.
How could we secure them if they did not exist.
Z
I think we'd better quit playing politics with this thing and
*immediately* take Fallujah to ensure that any stores of these
shells and/or IED materials that may be there are secured..
I think we should put Saddam back in power and let him deal with it. He
was quite effective against the muslim nutcases in the past. Reagan and
Bush I certainly appreciated his efforts against Iran and when he filled
mass graves with Shia etc. They were obviously right.
-z@yada
The Bush-Bashers are scrambling to SPIN the find of WMD in Iraq.
Z
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18 May 2004 01:34:53 PM |
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"Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote in news:10ak73ugadlhdd9@corp.supernews.com:
"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:blsia05hktnvoqtl2s4gum2k5oo4kciadj@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of
Bagdad, when we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it
was a chemical shell they'd have probably used it to much greater
effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
You'd think we would have secured those munitions in the first place.
But aparently it wasn't a high priority. If you think they were hard
to find before -- when they were in warehouses -- , imagine how hard
they'll be to secure now.
What WMD, the Liberal/Leftist took Sadams word that he destroyed all
of them.
How could we secure them if they did not exist.
Z
So what does that have to do with it? If they did exist as the
Administration says they did, you'd think one of the things to do would
be to secure the munitions.
If there were WMD there that would keep them out of the hands of
terrorists and the like, if they were just regular munitions (AKs, RPG's)
it STILL makes sense to secure them.
As it is every Iraqi and his dawg went and looted a bunch of munitions to
use against us while we made sure the oil was taken care of.
Oh then we fire the standing army. Not very fucking smart
-z@yada
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19 May 2004 09:23:27 AM |
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"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
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"Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote in news:10ak73ugadlhdd9@corp.supernews.com:
"z" <z@yada.yada.com> wrote in message
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:blsia05hktnvoqtl2s4gum2k5oo4kciadj@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of
Bagdad, when we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it
was a chemical shell they'd have probably used it to much greater
effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
You'd think we would have secured those munitions in the first place.
But aparently it wasn't a high priority. If you think they were hard
to find before -- when they were in warehouses -- , imagine how hard
they'll be to secure now.
What WMD, the Liberal/Leftist took Sadams word that he destroyed all
of them.
How could we secure them if they did not exist.
Z
So what does that have to do with it? If they did exist as the
Administration says they did, you'd think one of the things to do would
be to secure the munitions.
ONE gallon of the binary agents to make instantly Sarin gas that can kill
thousands can be easily hid.
He hid Jet fighter planes & the were only discovered after the wind blew the
sand off them in the desert.
One underground room the size of a swimming pool can hold enough nerve gas
agenbts to wipe out New York city.
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
He lied.
The America media are not interested.
The Sarin road side bomb did not work effectively
The weapon was designed to be fired from an artilliary piece.
At that time the two chemicals start to combine.
The spinning of the projectile thoroughly mixes the agents.
The impact vaporizes the liquid into very small droplets.
Each droplet can kill a person if it contacts the skin or breathed into the
lungs.
That is why Bush wanted to prevent the Sadam Sarin & other WMD from being
smuggled into America.
If brought in binary form & properly mixed & dispersed into our cities it
could kill hundreds of thousands.
A crop duster plane could do that as one example.
Maybe even an aerosol can like bug spray could do it.
Why the Liberal/Leftist would rather Bash Bush, bash America military, & the
war on terrorism to just win an election is beyond me.
Don't they realize that WMD does not have to be used with a Ballistic
Missile?
They can be smuggled in cars, trucks, planes, ships, & just walk across the
border with a back pack.
One Gallon of properly mixed & dispersed Sarin can kill thousands of
Americans.
The roadside bomb had approx. one gallon of the chemicals needed to make a
weaponized Sarin gas.
The roadside bomb was not mixed & did not have proper impact to mix enough
to form a Sarin gas.
The Liberal/Leftist America media are so bent on overthrowing Bush that they
will not even report the danger. They would rather show nude prisoners &
say how awful the Bush people are conducting the War on Terrorism which is
World War III.
The media will not even acknowledge that we are even in World War III & that
they are giving aid & comfort to the enemy.
"Ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for
you" no longer applies to the Democrats.
The democrats are now Party before country
Sen Kennedy, Byrd, & Kerry put the Democrat Party before country.
Duuuh
Z
If there were WMD there that would keep them out of the hands of
terrorists and the like, if they were just regular munitions (AKs, RPG's)
it STILL makes sense to secure them.
As it is every Iraqi and his dawg went and looted a bunch of munitions to
use against us while we made sure the oil was taken care of.
Oh then we fire the standing army. Not very fucking smart
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"Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote in news:10amrd855smr981@corp.supernews.com:
So what does that have to do with it? If they did exist as the
Administration says they did, you'd think one of the things to do
would be to secure the munitions.
ONE gallon of the binary agents to make instantly Sarin gas that can
kill thousands can be easily hid.
Thousands with a gallon? I don't think so -- when released in the Tokyo
underground it killed like 8 or 10.
In any case the facts are that we failed to secure munitions throughout
Iraq thus allowing people to stock up on RPGs AK's and anything else that
might or might not have been stored in those locations. If the WMDs were
in those warehouses we failed to stop them from getting into the hands of
those who would use them against us. If they were not in there we simply
allowed people who might resist us to arm themselves to the teeth.
Either way it was not a smart move.
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:23:27 -0400, Z. <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote:
[..]
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
One gallon of rotten Sarin found, 500 tons *less one gallon* to go!!
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That is why Bush wanted to prevent the Sadam Sarin & other WMD from being
smuggled into America.
Actually it was the US who "smuggled" WMD percursors into Iraq during the
Iraq/Iran war.
I guess the Iraqis and the Iranians should ask for war compensations from
the US for these actions.
(Actually, the Iranians just did that a few days ago.)
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The Bush-Bashers are scrambling to SPIN the find of WMD in Iraq.
From what I saw on the news that thing was as much a WMD as a big stinky
fart.
On other words, yes, it was a WMD. ;)
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:11:17 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
I think we'd better quit playing politics with this thing and
*immediately* take Fallujah to ensure that any stores of these
shells and/or IED materials that may be there are secured..
I think we should put Saddam back in power and let him deal with it. He
was quite effective against the muslim nutcases in the past. Reagan and
Bush I certainly appreciated his efforts against Iran and when he filled
mass graves with Shia etc. They were obviously right.
You might enjoy this little gem that was posted prior to the
Iraq invasion. It has a LOT of appeal to it .. :)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
A Modest Proposal
A MODEST PROPOSAL
By Claire Berlinski
SADDAM, LET’S THINK outside the box for a change.
We know you don't really give two shits about the Palestinians, and
you sure as hell don't give a rat's ***** about Islam, either. And we
know you're a practical kind of man. So here's a little suggestion
that might meet both of our needs.
Here's the way it is. Unless we make some kind of arrangement here,
we're going to have to turn all of Iraq into a pane of stained glass.
It'll be an ugly business; everyone in the world will get their
panties in a wad about it, and we'll all have to waste a lot of our
valuable time and energy holding useless press conferences explaining
things we'd rather not explain. We will, that is. You won't, because
you'll be dead. You can take Israel with you, sure, but you're still
going to be dead as a dodo, and there ain't no 72 virgins in Paradise
waiting for you. Take my word for it, we know from the pleasures of
the flesh in our country.
Now here's what we suggest, Saddam. This might come as a surprise to
you, but we've been giving it some thought, and lately it occurs to us
that the Iraqis and the Americans might actually have more in common
than we first thought. You know that book about what to do when
someone moves your cheese? Well, we’ve read it too, and it really
spoke to us. It’s time to look at that cheese again.
For one thing, we've noticed lately that we really don't feel a lot of
love for the Saudis, and it just doesn't seem to us that they're
running those oil fields as responsibly as they could. And you know
the Kuwaitis? Well, we were wrong, you were right, and we're man
enough to admit it. They're repulsive little ingrates and they're too
damned cowardly to have a country of their own. Hell, they probably
were stealing your oil.
So you know what, Saddam?
Go ahead.
Yep, you heard us right. That was the green light, just like the one
you thought you got from that Glaspie woman, only this time we mean
it. Take Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia too. It would take you what, three
days? Go ahead and butcher the Al Sabahs and the whole Saudi royal
family. Have at it. Any dissent? We know you know how to handle it,
just don't tell us about the details. Let Noam Chomsky worry about it.
And hell, Saddam, you want a free hand over Iran? We see no problem
with that either. We know they gave you a bit of hassle the last time
around, but after 23 years under the Ayatollahs, this time they'll
probably be throwing roses at your tanks. As far as we're concerned,
you can have the whole Persian Gulf. All of it. You can even keep your
WMD program. We'll sell you the damned Trident missiles if you like,
just as long as you keep them pointed toward the right people. Oh, and
we'll give you a free hand to slaughter all the Islamic
fundamentalists you want -- in Saudi Arabia, outside Saudi Arabia, in
Iran, Yemen, wherever. We know you're dying to do it anyway; heck, you
love killing people. Give 'em a taste of what the Kurds got. Like I
said, we don't want to know the details. Kind of like we said to the
Indonesians back in the day. Let Robert Fisk worry about getting the
scoop. (Oh, and if something unfortunate were to happen to him, you
didn't hear it from us, but you know -- accidents do happen. The will
of Allah and all that.)
Way we see it, Saddam, there’s really no reason the two of us should
go to war when we really have a lot of common emotional needs. Sure,
we think you’re a little ruthless, a bit of a homicidal maniac, but
you know, we managed to see the bright side of Stalin when we needed
to, and in retrospect, it’s a fine thing what those Russians did at
Stalingrad – that could have been our boys taking losses like that. We
think we might have sort of a similar situation here. Let’s face it,
we Americans just don't have the stomach to do what it really takes to
wipe out these Islamic lunatics. And they seem awfully serious about
wanting us all dead. So why not give the job to a man who has both the
appetite to do the job right and the expertise?
We just have a few little things we'd like in return. Lay off of
Israel, stop sending money to those idiotic suicide bombers, and keep
the price of oil below nine dollars a barrel – forever. The way we see
it, everyone ends up happy, except maybe the Al Sauds, and frankly, at
this point, their happiness is just not our number one priority. You
get what you always wanted – total control of the Gulf. We get what we
always wanted -- cheap oil and the assurance that every fundamentalist
maniac in the Middle East will enjoy your excellent vacation
facilities and your trademark Iraqi hospitality. We can be buddies
again, just like we were during the Cold War. Remember the good times
we had together back then?
What are the Europeans going to say about it? They're the ones who
keep blathering on about how they don't want us to antagonize you, so
they should be thrilled by the announcement of the Iraqi-American
Peoples' Alliance for Peace. And figure this: We lift the sanctions,
you control all the oil in the Gulf, you start pumping it out like
there's no tomorrow, and within a week you'll be able to feed all
those poor little starving Iraqi children and keep your palaces
maintained in the fashion to which you've become accustomed. No more
of this undignified slinking from house to house every night to escape
detection – you could really live in style. And a constant supply of
nine-buck-a-barrel oil will do wonders for this unpleasant little
economic slump we've been facing here. It's a win-win situation.
So that's really the deal, Saddam old buddy. It's simple, isn't it?
Lay off of Israel, do the needful with the terrorists, and the Gulf is
yours. We tried to do the right thing by the Kuwaitis and the Saudis,
but you know, there comes a point in every relationship where you have
to ask – "Am I giving more than I'm getting here?" And honestly, we
think that point came and went a long time ago. It's like they say in
the books about healthy relationships. We feel like one of those women
who love too much. Have you read that one? It really spoke to us, all
that stuff about being co-dependent and all. Always bailing out some
penny-ante, Jew-hating Gulf potentate whenever he gets himself into
some stupid mess, and getting no thanks, none at all, not one word,
just more abuse about how we're such bullies and warmongers.
Well, we've talked it over with our therapists and we've seen that
we're worth more than that. It's all about Toughlove now. If they
think they don't need us, fine – let them go it on their own, just
don't come crying to us when the Republican Guards start yanking out
the plugs on those tiny widdle incubating babies. They had their
chance.
Nine dollars a barrel. Lay off of Israel. Do whatever it is that you
do best with the Islamic Fundamentalists. And the Gulf is yours
forever.
Tell me you don't see the beauty in it, Saddam.
And of course, remember the alternative.
--
* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<blsia05hktnvoqtl2s4gum2k5oo4kciadj@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:13:45 -0500, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad, when
we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a chemical shell
they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
Now that the muslim killers know these shells are 'out there',
I wonder what the next atrocity could be?
I think we'd better quit playing politics with this thing and
*immediately* take Fallujah to ensure that any stores of these
shells and/or IED materials that may be there are secured..
Arklyte...you do know that a definition of insanity is to do the same
thing over and over again expecting a different result?
How many more Iraqis and Americans have to die because of your
insanity?
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S'matter? You 41-percent chimp supporters don't have any more straws to grasp?
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
those shells were no doubt looted during and after the fall of Bagdad, when
we were securing the oil wells. If those guys knew it was a chemical shell
they'd have probably used it to much greater effect
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
Charles R. Smith got paid $250 for this piece.
While it's possible that someday some bit of truth may appear in
newsmax.com, a Scaife rag, it hasn't happened yet to my knowledge,
so....
Citing newsmax.com is proof you're an ignorant liar. Ignorant, since
everybody knows newsmax.com lies about everything, all the time. And
a liar because you repeat the lies of others knowing them to be lies.
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ArKLyte_ wrote:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
<Yawn>
No weapons were found.
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top
nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad.
Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading
Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of
two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the
"no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts
higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly
could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about
the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the
terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the
foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other
members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not
enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.
Kill U.N. Teams
It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have
chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies
between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly
show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead
U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written
in English were discovered with the weapons.
The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by
the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous
conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons
with its conventional explosives.
The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors
was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an
article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to
conceal its arms technology.
According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German
aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to
prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the
country.
The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons
programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections
to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained
"rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and
delivery systems.
France and Russia
Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi
aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used
French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and
his own people.
The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's
arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to
meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety
techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.
It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two
inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell,
that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design
has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert
chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a
cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.
Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former
Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons
and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the
arms he purchased from Russia.
The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a
blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military
machine.
According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known
that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The
two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were
"nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used
so effectively in World War I."
Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory
of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter
attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled
with chemical weapons.
Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on
Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22
jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air
superiority.
The Next Attack
We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were
not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches -
when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not
make just one - he made tons.
Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N.
inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and
the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points
beyond.
U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment
flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The
General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos
showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.
We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded
that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and
again that George Bush lied.
The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly
proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his
weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.
The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery.
How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not
feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of
adequate proof.
Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have
to die from such a weapon to qualify?
--
* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
--
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The first trial is set to begin.
The guard faces a maximum 1 year sentence.
It is not a customary "Court Martial."
It is scheduled to be a "Special Court Martial," with a maximum sentence
of
one year in a US country club.
If Bush meant his words, he would turn them over to the
ICC,(International Criminal Court) which he refused to join
in 2003, because they refused to grant him immunity from war
crimes that may occur in his planned invasion of Iraq.
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Meanwhile, back in the USA:
Cops can't protect you at all times from everything, but
they do manage to catch criminals in between their own:
rape of small children,
rape of teenage girls,
rape of teenage boys,
rape of prisoners,
raping teens in the schools they are asked to protect,
extorting roadside rape at traffic stops,
extorting sex from prisoners for drugs,
killing those who flee,
killing those who resist,
killing those who commit no crime,
killing the mentally impaired,
killing bystanders during pursuits,
killing their spouses,
killing their own children,
killing the wrong person,
DUIs,
smuggling contraband,
possessing illegal weapons,
posessing illegal drugs,
tax evasion,
spying on peace groups,
voter fraud,
harassing judges,
stalking,
reporting fake crimes,
assisting suicides,
stealing, blackmailing,
exposing themselves,
drug distribution,
evidence planting,
evidence tampering,
crime lab coverups,
coercing false confessions,
homicidal beatings,
armed robberies,
accepting bribes,
shooting each other,
arresting each other,
smashing into the other cruisers,
burglaries,
finding prisoners dead in their cells,
misuse of criminal records,
misuse of police databases,
misuse of police computers,
misuse of police vehicles,
running brothels,
drunken brawls,
operating bootleg DVD rings,
stolen jewel rings,
gambling rings,
welfare fraud,
robbing the police station,
raiding the wrong apartment,
cyberstalking
etc.
The above random sampling was from the first quarted of 2004.
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"Morf" <central222@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ArKLyte_ wrote:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
<Yawn>
No weapons were found.
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
He lied.
The America media are not interested.
The Sarin road side bomb did not work effectively
The weapon was designed to be fired from an artilliary piece.
At that time the two chemicals start to combine.
The spinning of the projectile thoroughly mixes the agents.
The impact vaporizes the liquid into very small droplets.
Each droplet can kill a person if it contacts the skin or breathed into the
lungs.
That is why Bush wanted to prevent the Sadam Sarin & other WMD from being
smuggled into America.
If brought in binary form & properly mixed & dispersed into our cities it
could kill hundreds of thousands.
A crop duster plane could do that as one example.
Maybe even an aerosol can like bug spray could do it.
Why the Liberal/Leftist would rather Bash Bush, bash America military, & the
war on terrorism to just win an election is beyond me.
Don't they realize that WMD does not have to be used with a Ballistic
Missile?
They can be smuggled in cars, trucks, planes, ships, & just walk across the
border with a back pack.
One Gallon of properly mixed & dispersed Sarin can kill thousands of
Americans.
The roadside bomb had approx. one gallon of the chemicals needed to make a
weaponized Sarin gas.
The roadside bomb was not mixed & did not have proper impact to mix enough
to form a Sarin gas.
The Liberal/Leftist America media are so bent on overthrowing Bush that they
will not even report the danger. They would rather show nude prisoners &
say how awful the Bush people are conducting the War on Terrorism which is
World War III.
The media will not even acknowledge that we are even in World War III & that
they are giving aid & comfort to the enemy.
"Ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for
you" no longer applies to the Democrats.
The democrats are now Party before country
Sen Kennedy, Byrd, & Kerry put the Democrat Party before country.
Duuuh
Z
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top
nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad.
Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading
Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of
two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the
"no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts
higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly
could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about
the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the
terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the
foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other
members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not
enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.
Kill U.N. Teams
It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have
chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies
between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly
show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead
U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written
in English were discovered with the weapons.
The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by
the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous
conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons
with its conventional explosives.
The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors
was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an
article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to
conceal its arms technology.
According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German
aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to
prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the
country.
The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons
programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections
to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained
"rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and
delivery systems.
France and Russia
Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi
aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used
French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and
his own people.
The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's
arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to
meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety
techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.
It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two
inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell,
that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design
has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert
chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a
cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.
Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former
Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons
and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the
arms he purchased from Russia.
The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a
blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military
machine.
According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known
that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The
two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were
"nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used
so effectively in World War I."
Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory
of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter
attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled
with chemical weapons.
Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on
Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22
jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air
superiority.
The Next Attack
We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were
not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches -
when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not
make just one - he made tons.
Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N.
inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and
the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points
beyond.
U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment
flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The
General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos
showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.
We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded
that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and
again that George Bush lied.
The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly
proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his
weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.
The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery.
How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not
feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of
adequate proof.
Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have
to die from such a weapon to qualify?
--
* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
--
...................................................
The first trial is set to begin.
The guard faces a maximum 1 year sentence.
It is not a customary "Court Martial."
It is scheduled to be a "Special Court Martial," with a maximum sentence
of
one year in a US country club.
If Bush meant his words, he would turn them over to the
ICC,(International Criminal Court) which he refused to join
in 2003, because they refused to grant him immunity from war
crimes that may occur in his planned invasion of Iraq.
...................................................
Meanwhile, back in the USA:
Cops can't protect you at all times from everything, but
they do manage to catch criminals in between their own:
rape of small children,
rape of teenage girls,
rape of teenage boys,
rape of prisoners,
raping teens in the schools they are asked to protect,
extorting roadside rape at traffic stops,
extorting sex from prisoners for drugs,
killing those who flee,
killing those who resist,
killing those who commit no crime,
killing the mentally impaired,
killing bystanders during pursuits,
killing their spouses,
killing their own children,
killing the wrong person,
DUIs,
smuggling contraband,
possessing illegal weapons,
posessing illegal drugs,
tax evasion,
spying on peace groups,
voter fraud,
harassing judges,
stalking,
reporting fake crimes,
assisting suicides,
stealing, blackmailing,
exposing themselves,
drug distribution,
evidence planting,
evidence tampering,
crime lab coverups,
coercing false confessions,
homicidal beatings,
armed robberies,
accepting bribes,
shooting each other,
arresting each other,
smashing into the other cruisers,
burglaries,
finding prisoners dead in their cells,
misuse of criminal records,
misuse of police databases,
misuse of police computers,
misuse of police vehicles,
running brothels,
drunken brawls,
operating bootleg DVD rings,
stolen jewel rings,
gambling rings,
welfare fraud,
robbing the police station,
raiding the wrong apartment,
cyberstalking
etc.
The above random sampling was from the first quarted of 2004.
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19 May 2004 11:28:21 AM |
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"Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote:
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
He lied.
The America media are not interested.
Saddam Hussein may have LIED???? OH. MY. GOD. Stop the presses! Get it on
Page One right now!!
Are you kidding? The media are paying exactly as much attention to this as
it deserves. IF it turns out that there really were stockpiles of WMD,
then it will be a much bigger story. Right now, the origin of the shell is
unclear, and those who know most about Iraq's weapons consider it unlikely
that it came from a hidden stockpile.
David Kay, the former top U.S. weapons hunter in Iraq, said
it's possible the sarin shell was an old one, overlooked when
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein said he had destroyed such weapons
in the mid-1990s.
Kay, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press,
said he doubted the shell or the nerve agent came from a
surviving hidden stockpile, but didn't rule out that possibility.
"It is hard to know if this is one that just was overlooked -
and there were always some that were overlooked, we knew that - or
if this was one that came from a hidden stockpile," Kay said. "I
rather doubt that because it appears the insurgents didn't even
know they had a chemical round."
http://tinyurl.com/2o6ef
Former U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix, speaking to the AP
in Sweden, agreed the shell was likely a stray weapon scavenged
from a dump and did not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles.
http://tinyurl.com/29jwv
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"If you don't disagree with me, how will I know I'm right?" - Sam Goldwyn
My opinions are my own, and not those of my employer.
The weird part is... I'm self-employed.
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| User: "Arnold Dulcimer" |
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19 May 2004 11:21:48 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:27:03 -0400, "Z." <Z.@FreeDamn.net> wrote:
"Morf" <central222@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40AA74CF.CC0@hotmail.com...
ArKLyte_ wrote:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
<Yawn>
No weapons were found.
Sadam said he destroyed all WMD.
They are now being found one at a time.
He lied.
Do you believe that after 8 years of war with Iran and the first gulf
war that the teams destroying saddam's weapons could account for every
single shell that had been sent to the field?
Do you believe that the US can account for all the munitions
distributed to the troops in Iraq?
This is not evidence of lie, it may be evidence of an oversight or
even a mistake. Evidence of a lie would be finding the thousands of
tons of weapons the bushies claimed that saddam had. Remember when
rummy said the not only did saddam have them but that we knew exactly
where they were? Who's lying?
The America media are not interested.
You're right. It's a non story. It's not news.
The Sarin road side bomb did not work effectively
True.
The weapon was designed to be fired from an artilliary piece.
At that time the two chemicals start to combine.
The spinning of the projectile thoroughly mixes the agents.
The impact vaporizes the liquid into very small droplets.
Each droplet can kill a person if it contacts the skin or breathed into the
lungs.
Your point is?
That is why Bush wanted to prevent the Sadam Sarin & other WMD from being
smuggled into America.
LOL! You have got to be kidding.
If brought in binary form & properly mixed & dispersed into our cities it
could kill hundreds of thousands.
Nonsense.
A crop duster plane could do that as one example.
Maybe even an aerosol can like bug spray could do it.
The chances of that happening were nil..
Why the Liberal/Leftist would rather Bash Bush, bash America military, & the
war on terrorism to just win an election is beyond me.
That's because it isn't happening.
Bush is a war criminal . The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the so
called war on terror. We are trying to restore the honor and integrity
of our nation. Bush has turned the US , politically, into a third rate
banana republic.
Don't they realize that WMD does not have to be used with a Ballistic
Missile?
You realize that you sound like an idiot?
They can be smuggled in cars, trucks, planes, ships, & just walk across the
border with a back pack.
So? What's your point? EVERY country with even a mediocre level of
technology can produce weapons like this. Do you want to invade every
country?
One Gallon of properly mixed & dispersed Sarin can kill thousands of
Americans.
This has what to do with the illegal slaughter of tens of thousands of
Iraqis?
The roadside bomb had approx. one gallon of the chemicals needed to make a
weaponized Sarin gas.
The roadside bomb was not mixed & did not have proper impact to mix enough
to form a Sarin gas.
You keep saying this. So what?
The Liberal/Leftist America media are so bent on overthrowing Bush that they
will not even report the danger.
The biggest danger we face is from the idiot in the oval office.
They would rather show nude prisoners &
say how awful the Bush people are conducting the War on Terrorism which is
World War III.
What a stupid statement.
The media will not even acknowledge that we are even in World War III
Nor will anyone else not relying on heavy meds to maintain their
sanity.
& that
they are giving aid & comfort to the enemy.
You just said that we were trying to overthrow bush. Which is it are
we trying to overthrow him or give him aid and comfort?
"Ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for
you" no longer applies to the Democrats.
It certainly does , and what we can do for our country is throw that
arrogant ***** out of the oval office in November,
The democrats are now Party before country
Nope. Wrong again. Bringing down bush is the only patriotic thing to
do.
Sen Kennedy, Byrd, & Kerry put the Democrat Party before country.
Nope. But you do. If you cared about this country, you would be
cheering Byrd and Kennedy on. They are true patriots.
Duuuh
That's the most sensible thing you have said in this post.
Z
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top
nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad.
Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading
Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of
two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the
"no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts
higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly
could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about
the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the
terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the
foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other
members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not
enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.
Kill U.N. Teams
It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have
chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies
between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly
show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead
U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written
in English were discovered with the weapons.
The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by
the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous
conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons
with its conventional explosives.
The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors
was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an
article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to
conceal its arms technology.
According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German
aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to
prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the
country.
The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons
programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections
to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained
"rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and
delivery systems.
France and Russia
Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi
aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used
French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and
his own people.
The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's
arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to
meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety
techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.
It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two
inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell,
that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design
has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert
chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a
cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.
Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former
Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons
and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the
arms he purchased from Russia.
The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a
blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military
machine.
According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known
that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The
two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were
"nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used
so effectively in World War I."
Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory
of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter
attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled
with chemical weapons.
Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on
Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22
jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air
superiority.
The Next Attack
We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were
not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches -
when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not
make just one - he made tons.
Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N.
inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and
the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points
beyond.
U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment
flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The
General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos
showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.
We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded
that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and
again that George Bush lied.
The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly
proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his
weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.
The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery.
How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not
feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of
adequate proof.
Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have
to die from such a weapon to qualify?
--
* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
--
...................................................
The first trial is set to begin.
The guard faces a maximum 1 year sentence.
It is not a customary "Court Martial."
It is scheduled to be a "Special Court Martial," with a maximum sentence
of
one year in a US country club.
If Bush meant his words, he would turn them over to the
ICC,(International Criminal Court) which he refused to join
in 2003, because they refused to grant him immunity from war
crimes that may occur in his planned invasion of Iraq.
...................................................
Meanwhile, back in the USA:
Cops can't protect you at all times from everything, but
they do manage to catch criminals in between their own:
rape of small children,
rape of teenage girls,
rape of teenage boys,
rape of prisoners,
raping teens in the schools they are asked to protect,
extorting roadside rape at traffic stops,
extorting sex from prisoners for drugs,
killing those who flee,
killing those who resist,
killing those who commit no crime,
killing the mentally impaired,
killing bystanders during pursuits,
killing their spouses,
killing their own children,
killing the wrong person,
DUIs,
smuggling contraband,
possessing illegal weapons,
posessing illegal drugs,
tax evasion,
spying on peace groups,
voter fraud,
harassing judges,
stalking,
reporting fake crimes,
assisting suicides,
stealing, blackmailing,
exposing themselves,
drug distribution,
evidence planting,
evidence tampering,
crime lab coverups,
coercing false confessions,
homicidal beatings,
armed robberies,
accepting bribes,
shooting each other,
arresting each other,
smashing into the other cruisers,
burglaries,
finding prisoners dead in their cells,
misuse of criminal records,
misuse of police databases,
misuse of police computers,
misuse of police vehicles,
running brothels,
drunken brawls,
operating bootleg DVD rings,
stolen jewel rings,
gambling rings,
welfare fraud,
robbing the police station,
raiding the wrong apartment,
cyberstalking
etc.
The above random sampling was from the first quarted of 2004.
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| User: "Norma Teague" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits |
17 May 2004 10:43:48 PM |
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Don't forget that the left is just going to say we planted it there.
(Unless Bill Clinton was the one who found it.)
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:6csia05el0untkbfe0rcn9mgjmifmndgrs@4ax.com...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
May 17, 2004
Charles R. Smith
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the
liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it
failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during
a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A
second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in
Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors
during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when
Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added
to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top
nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad.
Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading
Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of
two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the
"no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts
higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly
could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about
the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the
terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the
foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other
members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not
enough proof for | |