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"Morbid Pretzel" |
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06 Oct 2006 05:53:10 PM |
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Iraq's War Monger and Oil Nazi...... |
The woes in the Middle East are not due to oil Nazis or western influence.
Sure that may be the battle cry resonated by the Muslim radicals to fight
the establishment of Pro-Western ideology in their region but Muslim
fundamentalism has existed for over a 1,000 years and has been a volatile
ideology since March 632 when the prophet Muhammad himself said: "I was
ordered to fight all men until they say 'There is no god but Allah."
Case in point is the following quotes through the years from radical Muslim
leaders:
"I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there remains
no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah."
--
Saladin January 1189
"We will export our revolution throughout the world.Until the calls 'there
is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah' are echoed all
over the world."
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1979 Iranian revolution leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
"I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah,
and his prophet Muhammad."
Osama bin Laden
People and countries against the US led war in Iraq blame the United States
for invading Iraq for its own capitalist interest. Although oil is a major
issue, the US has been provoked by rouge states flashing oil as a trump card
and of course the 9/11 attacks on US soil. The US government rightly so sees
the overthrow of Saddam Hussein as a necessary step towards stabilizing that
region's global influence. How quickly people forget that as recent as 1990
Iraq was invading Kuwait. When US led coalition forces intervened, UN
approved, Saddam Hussein fired missiles on Israeli cities! The whole
industrial world breathed a sigh of relief when Saddam was contained. Prior
to the Kuwait invasion Saddam had engaged in war with Iran through much of
the 80's.
Is the US in the right path by meddling in Middle Eastern affairs? Some
world political and intellectual leaders (oh yea, and college professors)
say the US is in a hungry-for-oil war path but world investors disagree by
sending a clear signal through the recent Dow Jones Industrial Index record
breaking news. What world investors see is the United States of America as a
world stabilizing economic force. They know the US wants the world economy
to prosper because being the leader of the free market economy it also
benefits. The government of United States of America was designed to
protect, serve and represent the American individual. It is in the American
good nature to help its fellow neighbor and that component of the American
character has been a blessing to itself and to those neighbors who embrace
it.
--
Carlos Trevino
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"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to
worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a
liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet
proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Johnny Asia" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq's War Monger and Oil Nazi...... |
06 Oct 2006 06:23:09 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:53:10 GMT, "Morbid Pretzel"
<carlos@remove.rr.com> wrote:
"I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there remains
no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah."
--
Saladin January 1189
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=829684
The resulting fighting betwen Saladin and Richard the Lionheart is
outside the scope of this writeup, but certain details from the
fighting are noteworthy and display the character of Saladin.
When Saladin attacked a city, he allowed the inhabitants who wished to
flee safe passage away from the fighting, as was dictated by Islamic
law. When he retook Jerusalem from the Christians, he did not sack,
loot, rape or pillage the city or its inhabitants unlike the
Crusaders, who had massacred the Muslims living within the city when
they took it. As Richard the Lionheart advanced towards Jerusalem he
fell sick, and Saladin sent him food and water, which he knew Richard
would require. Not only was this noble, honourable and charitable act
within the dictates of Islam, it also gave his envoys a chance to
assess the strength of the invading army. Saladin knew in advance that
Richard could never take Jerusalem with the fatigued and depleted army
they saw as they entered the camp.
Finis
In 1192 he signed the Peace of Ramla armistice with Richard, defining
the whole coast as Christian land but leaving Jerusalem in Muslim
control. Neither was truly happy with the arrangement, but the armies
of both sides were tired and depleted and it was the best conclusion
possible under the circumstances.
The following year, on March 4, he died in Damascus after a short
illness. He had ridden to meet some pilgrims from Mecca, and that
evening retired to bed with pain and fever, which became a coma within
days, from which he never awoke.
The legacy and the legend
Saladin is remembered - his name legendary. He is remembered as the
man who revitalised Egypt, who united fractured kingdoms into a
formidable Islamic empire, and who returned Jerusalem to Muslim
control. He is remembered as a defender of the faith against the
invading Crusaders, and as the man Richard the Lionheart could not
beat. However, more importantly than that, he is revered as a good,
honorable and charitable man, a great man of faith and charity who
exemplified the virtues he championed. It is to his credit that he is
remembered even amongst his enemies as a good man and a just man, and
a hero and valiant warrior.
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"It is even probable that the supremacy of nations
may be determined by the possession of available
petroleum and its products." - President Coolidge,
We Fight for Oil, Ludwell Denny - Alfred A Knopf, 1928
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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| User: "Morbid Pretzel" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq's War Monger and Oil Nazi...... |
06 Oct 2006 08:31:57 PM |
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongoREMOVE_THIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b6pdi2t31n9pjojoc3li068kp7icdep31r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:53:10 GMT, "Morbid Pretzel"
<carlos@remove.rr.com> wrote:
"I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there
remains
no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah."
--
Saladin January 1189
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=829684
The resulting fighting betwen Saladin and Richard the Lionheart is
outside the scope of this writeup, but certain details from the
fighting are noteworthy and display the character of Saladin.
When Saladin attacked a city, he allowed the inhabitants who wished to
flee safe passage away from the fighting, as was dictated by Islamic
law. When he retook Jerusalem from the Christians, he did not sack,
loot, rape or pillage the city or its inhabitants unlike the
Crusaders, who had massacred the Muslims living within the city when
they took it. As Richard the Lionheart advanced towards Jerusalem he
fell sick, and Saladin sent him food and water, which he knew Richard
would require. Not only was this noble, honourable and charitable act
within the dictates of Islam, it also gave his envoys a chance to
assess the strength of the invading army. Saladin knew in advance that
Richard could never take Jerusalem with the fatigued and depleted army
they saw as they entered the camp.
Finis
In 1192 he signed the Peace of Ramla armistice with Richard, defining
the whole coast as Christian land but leaving Jerusalem in Muslim
control. Neither was truly happy with the arrangement, but the armies
of both sides were tired and depleted and it was the best conclusion
possible under the circumstances.
The following year, on March 4, he died in Damascus after a short
illness. He had ridden to meet some pilgrims from Mecca, and that
evening retired to bed with pain and fever, which became a coma within
days, from which he never awoke.
The legacy and the legend
Saladin is remembered - his name legendary. He is remembered as the
man who revitalised Egypt, who united fractured kingdoms into a
formidable Islamic empire, and who returned Jerusalem to Muslim
control. He is remembered as a defender of the faith against the
invading Crusaders, and as the man Richard the Lionheart could not
beat. However, more importantly than that, he is revered as a good,
honorable and charitable man, a great man of faith and charity who
exemplified the virtues he championed. It is to his credit that he is
remembered even amongst his enemies as a good man and a just man, and
a hero and valiant warrior.
+
"It is even probable that the supremacy of nations
may be determined by the possession of available
petroleum and its products." - President Coolidge,
We Fight for Oil, Ludwell Denny - Alfred A Knopf, 1928
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit ,in
present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
Carlos Trevino
--
Please donate to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
www.wikipedia.com
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| User: "Bill Rood" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq's War Monger and Oil Nazi...... |
06 Oct 2006 10:22:48 PM |
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Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongoREMOVE_THIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b6pdi2t31n9pjojoc3li068kp7icdep31r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:53:10 GMT, "Morbid Pretzel"
<carlos@remove.rr.com> wrote:
"I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there
remains
no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah."
--
Saladin January 1189
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=829684
The resulting fighting betwen Saladin and Richard the Lionheart is
outside the scope of this writeup, but certain details from the
fighting are noteworthy and display the character of Saladin.
When Saladin attacked a city, he allowed the inhabitants who wished to
flee safe passage away from the fighting, as was dictated by Islamic
law. When he retook Jerusalem from the Christians, he did not sack,
loot, rape or pillage the city or its inhabitants unlike the
Crusaders, who had massacred the Muslims living within the city when
they took it. As Richard the Lionheart advanced towards Jerusalem he
fell sick, and Saladin sent him food and water, which he knew Richard
would require. Not only was this noble, honourable and charitable act
within the dictates of Islam, it also gave his envoys a chance to
assess the strength of the invading army. Saladin knew in advance that
Richard could never take Jerusalem with the fatigued and depleted army
they saw as they entered the camp.
Finis
In 1192 he signed the Peace of Ramla armistice with Richard, defining
the whole coast as Christian land but leaving Jerusalem in Muslim
control. Neither was truly happy with the arrangement, but the armies
of both sides were tired and depleted and it was the best conclusion
possible under the circumstances.
The following year, on March 4, he died in Damascus after a short
illness. He had ridden to meet some pilgrims from Mecca, and that
evening retired to bed with pain and fever, which became a coma within
days, from which he never awoke.
The legacy and the legend
Saladin is remembered - his name legendary. He is remembered as the
man who revitalised Egypt, who united fractured kingdoms into a
formidable Islamic empire, and who returned Jerusalem to Muslim
control. He is remembered as a defender of the faith against the
invading Crusaders, and as the man Richard the Lionheart could not
beat. However, more importantly than that, he is revered as a good,
honorable and charitable man, a great man of faith and charity who
exemplified the virtues he championed. It is to his credit that he is
remembered even amongst his enemies as a good man and a just man, and
a hero and valiant warrior.
+
"It is even probable that the supremacy of nations
may be determined by the possession of available
petroleum and its products." - President Coolidge,
We Fight for Oil, Ludwell Denny - Alfred A Knopf, 1928
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit ,in
present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy Land.
Carlos Trevino
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| User: "Morbid Pretzel" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq's War Monger and Oil Nazi...... |
07 Oct 2006 12:25:49 AM |
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"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message news:x4FVg.386
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit
,in present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy
Land.
Wikipedia:
"Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there (Tikrit);
his many achievements include defending Egypt against the Catholic Crusaders
and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern province of which Tikrit is
the capital is named after him."
He defended Eygypt but that was not his native land, Egypt was conquered by
Saladin's muslim kin.
Wikipedia:
"After the Muslim conquest of Egypt in the seventh century, the Muslim Arabs
introduced Islam and the Arabic language to the Egyptians, who gradually
adopted both. Muslim rulers nominated by the Islamic Caliphate remained in
control of Egypt for the next six centuries, including a period for which it
was the seat of the Caliphate under the Fatimids."
Egypt was conquered by Muslims.
Carlos Trevino
--
Religion is a politically correct word for saying, "I do not
understand God but this is what I think He means." To
understand God is not through religion but through philosophy,
His philosophy. We do not understand His philosophy
because our mind is hostile, yet His philosophy is
so simple that a child can grasp it, Love One Another
phi·los·o·phy: Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means
and moral self-discipline. Investigation of the nature, causes,
or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical
reasoning rather than empirical methods.
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| User: "Bill Rood" |
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07 Oct 2006 11:13:22 AM |
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Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message news:x4FVg.386
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit
,in present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy
Land.
Wikipedia:
"Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there (Tikrit);
his many achievements include defending Egypt against the Catholic Crusaders
and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern province of which Tikrit is
the capital is named after him."
He defended Eygypt but that was not his native land, Egypt was conquered by
Saladin's muslim kin.
By your reasoning, George Washington was a warmonger because he was a
Virginia native but spent most of the Revolutionary War fighting in
Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Wikipedia:
"After the Muslim conquest of Egypt in the seventh century, the Muslim Arabs
introduced Islam and the Arabic language to the Egyptians, who gradually
adopted both. Muslim rulers nominated by the Islamic Caliphate remained in
control of Egypt for the next six centuries, including a period for which it
was the seat of the Caliphate under the Fatimids."
Egypt was conquered by Muslims.
Right, 5 centuries before the Crusades. That has little to do with
Saladin's defense of the Muslim Holy Land 5 centuries later. In 1066,
the Normans conquered England. Five centuries later, neither French nor
Anglo-Saxon were spoken there, only modern English. Were the English
descendents of Normans not defending their native land when they
defeated the Spanish Armada?
Carlos Trevino
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| User: "Morbid Pretzel" |
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07 Oct 2006 12:22:09 PM |
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"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message
news:ZmQVg.7$Xt4.4@newsfe07.lga...
Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message news:x4FVg.386
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit
,in present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy
Land.
Wikipedia:
"Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there
(Tikrit); his many achievements include defending Egypt against the
Catholic Crusaders and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern province
of which Tikrit is the capital is named after him."
He defended Eygypt but that was not his native land, Egypt was conquered
by Saladin's muslim kin.
By your reasoning, George Washington was a warmonger because he was a
Virginia native but spent most of the Revolutionary War fighting in
Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Saladin was not a native of Egypt.
George Washington was a native of America.
--
Carlos Trevino
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"And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be
maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of
refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle."
- George Washington's Farewell Address of 1796
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| User: "Bill Rood" |
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08 Oct 2006 01:58:17 AM |
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Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message
news:ZmQVg.7$Xt4.4@newsfe07.lga...
Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message news:x4FVg.386
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit
,in present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy
Land.
Wikipedia:
"Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there
(Tikrit); his many achievements include defending Egypt against the
Catholic Crusaders and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern province
of which Tikrit is the capital is named after him."
He defended Eygypt but that was not his native land, Egypt was conquered
by Saladin's muslim kin.
By your reasoning, George Washington was a warmonger because he was a
Virginia native but spent most of the Revolutionary War fighting in
Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Saladin was not a native of Egypt.
George Washington was a native of America.
George Washington was not a native of New York.
Saladin was a native of the Middle East.
What's your point? The situations are precisely analogous.
--
Carlos Trevino
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"And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be
maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of
refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle."
- George Washington's Farewell Address of 1796
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| User: "Morbid Pretzel" |
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08 Oct 2006 11:29:48 AM |
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"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message
news:Bk1Wg.411$2B4.255@newsfe02.lga...
Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message
news:ZmQVg.7$Xt4.4@newsfe07.lga...
Morbid Pretzel wrote:
"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message news:x4FVg.386
Saladin was a was a twelfth century Kurdish Muslim warrior from Tikrit
,in present day northern Iraq. He was a Muslim warmonger.
A warmonger? Perhaps, but he defended his native land against a foreign
invader. Sala al Din did not invade England; Richard invaded the Holy
Land.
Wikipedia:
"Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there
(Tikrit); his many achievements include defending Egypt against the
Catholic Crusaders and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern
province of which Tikrit is the capital is named after him."
He defended Eygypt but that was not his native land, Egypt was conquered
by Saladin's muslim kin.
By your reasoning, George Washington was a warmonger because he was a
Virginia native but spent most of the Revolutionary War fighting in
Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Saladin was not a native of Egypt.
George Washington was a native of America.
George Washington was not a native of New York.
Saladin was a native of the Middle East.
What's your point? The situations are precisely analogous.
Egypt is not even part of the Middle East. My guess it's considered as part
of the Middle East by some just because of the fact that Egypt was conquered
by Middle Eastern Muslims in the likes of Saladin.
Virginia and New York are at least in the same continent.
--
Carlos Trevino
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"And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be
maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of
refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both
forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of
religious principle."
- George Washington's Farewell Address of 1796
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| User: "Bill Rood" |
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06 Oct 2006 10:18:13 PM |
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Johnny Asia wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:53:10 GMT, "Morbid Pretzel"
<carlos@remove.rr.com> wrote:
"I shall cross this sea to their islands to pursue them until there remains
no one on the face of the earth who does not acknowledge Allah."
--
Saladin January 1189
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=829684
The resulting fighting betwen Saladin and Richard the Lionheart is
outside the scope of this writeup, but certain details from the
fighting are noteworthy and display the character of Saladin.
When Saladin attacked a city, he allowed the inhabitants who wished to
flee safe passage away from the fighting, as was dictated by Islamic
law. When he retook Jerusalem from the Christians, he did not sack,
loot, rape or pillage the city or its inhabitants unlike the
Crusaders, who had massacred the Muslims living within the city when
they took it.
The Crusaders massacred not just Muslims, but also Jews and Christians
who were living in harmony under Muslim rule at the time. On retaking
Jerusalem, Sala al Din gave the defeated "Latins" safe passage to the
coast and allowed any surviviing Christians who were native to
Jerusalem to stay.
I highly recommend "Kingdom of Heaven" available on DVD. While many of
the details of the movie are pure fiction, it's quite accurate when it
comes to documented history.
As Richard the Lionheart advanced towards Jerusalem he
fell sick, and Saladin sent him food and water, which he knew Richard
would require. Not only was this noble, honourable and charitable act
within the dictates of Islam, it also gave his envoys a chance to
assess the strength of the invading army. Saladin knew in advance that
Richard could never take Jerusalem with the fatigued and depleted army
they saw as they entered the camp.
Finis
In 1192 he signed the Peace of Ramla armistice with Richard, defining
the whole coast as Christian land but leaving Jerusalem in Muslim
control. Neither was truly happy with the arrangement, but the armies
of both sides were tired and depleted and it was the best conclusion
possible under the circumstances.
The following year, on March 4, he died in Damascus after a short
illness. He had ridden to meet some pilgrims from Mecca, and that
evening retired to bed with pain and fever, which became a coma within
days, from which he never awoke.
The legacy and the legend
Saladin is remembered - his name legendary. He is remembered as the
man who revitalised Egypt, who united fractured kingdoms into a
formidable Islamic empire, and who returned Jerusalem to Muslim
control. He is remembered as a defender of the faith against the
invading Crusaders, and as the man Richard the Lionheart could not
beat. However, more importantly than that, he is revered as a good,
honorable and charitable man, a great man of faith and charity who
exemplified the virtues he championed. It is to his credit that he is
remembered even amongst his enemies as a good man and a just man, and
a hero and valiant warrior.
+
"It is even probable that the supremacy of nations
may be determined by the possession of available
petroleum and its products." - President Coolidge,
We Fight for Oil, Ludwell Denny - Alfred A Knopf, 1928
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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