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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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10 May 2007 12:20:33 PM |
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Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 02:30:01 PM |
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The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a libertarian.
Fred Thompson is going to be the Republican candidate. He has a
good chance of winning against the Democrat candidate, Hillary
Clinton.
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| User: "Dennis M" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 02:58:49 PM |
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In article <ZoK0i.44589$KN6.5599@edtnps89>, Al Smith <invalid@address.com>
wrote:
Fred Thompson is going to be the Republican candidate. He has a
good chance of winning against the Democrat candidate, Hillary
Clinton.
I don't get the appeal of Thompson (and I'm in Tenn.). Ronald Reagan was a
handsome man and a great speaker, but Thompson mumbles and reminds me of
Jabba the Hutt.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 04:07:09 PM |
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On May 10, 11:30 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a libertarian.
Fred Thompson is going to be the Republican candidate. He has a
good chance of winning against the Democrat candidate, Hillary
Clinton.
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Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney or Chuck Hagel (the only good Republican
left) could beat Hillary Clinton. If Democrats do not want to commit
political suicide, they had better not nominate the LYING *****!
Millions of Democrats hate Hillary Clinton with a red hot passion, not
just Republicans.
Fred Thompson is a terrible candidate, but he is not Hillary Clinton
so he could win.
IB
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| User: "Ramon F Herrera" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 08:58:02 PM |
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On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 10:47:01 PM |
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On 10 May 2007 18:58:02 -0700, Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net>
wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Awww my goodness. I think you mean anti-illegal Immigrants or
whatever PC phrase you have in mind.
It's really not necassarilly an Anglo thang so much as an open
border issue. Other countries have borders too but the GOP
likes ours un-patrolled for the cheap labor.
How did'ya like Mayweather's green and white trunks the
other night....was that in-your-face cool or what ?
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Probably has to do with that unfortunate Iraq thing.
--
Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
***************
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
********
Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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| User: "Penguin Commandos for Gore." |
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11 May 2007 12:55:19 AM |
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On May 10, 9:58 pm, Ramon F Herrera <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Ron Paul is a racist? Go ahead and show ANY shred of evidence of
that. Go ahead. Being against open borders isn't not racism. And on
the border issue, the majority of Americans are sick of the leak in
the borders, particularly post-9/11. This goes past racist issues
to. Anyhow, Mexicans are caucasian. Care to show otherwise?
Ron Paul on Racism: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
And maybe there is this bit: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Ron%20Paul
Look up what Molly Ivins and others have written. There are liberals
who oppose illegal immigration on wages issues, and how it hurts
American workers.
- The Rich
- The Rich
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| User: "Richard Burns" |
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11 May 2007 01:26:12 AM |
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Penguin Commandos for Gore. wrote:
On May 10, 9:58 pm, Ramon F Herrera <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Ron Paul is a racist? Go ahead and show ANY shred of evidence of
that. Go ahead. Being against open borders isn't not racism. And on
the border issue, the majority of Americans are sick of the leak in
the borders, particularly post-9/11. This goes past racist issues
to. Anyhow, Mexicans are caucasian. Care to show otherwise?
Mexicans are mostly "mestizo," mixed European and Indian.
Anyhow, Ron Paul assumes that immigrants do not want to learn
English and that many do not respect American culture and laws...
which is stereotyping on his part, frankly. He lacks the racist
and war-mongering zeal of Tancredo, however...which is why Tancredo
will get the anti-immigrant faction of the neocon vote (most
anti-immigrant types love the war in Iraq).
Ron Paul has his redneck side..which I don't like. But he is far more
level headed and reasonable than that fascist bible-thumping neocon
bigoted piece of ***** Tancredo.
Richard.
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| User: "Ramon F Herrera" |
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11 May 2007 02:15:12 AM |
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On May 11, 1:26 am, Richard Burns <richarddbu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Penguin Commandos for Gore. wrote:
On May 10, 9:58 pm, Ramon F Herrera <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Ron Paul is a racist? Go ahead and show ANY shred of evidence of
that. Go ahead. Being against open borders isn't not racism. And on
the border issue, the majority of Americans are sick of the leak in
the borders, particularly post-9/11. This goes past racist issues
to. Anyhow, Mexicans are caucasian. Care to show otherwise?
Mexicans are mostly "mestizo," mixed European and Indian.
Anyhow, Ron Paul assumes that immigrants do not want to learn
English and that many do not respect American culture and laws...
which is stereotyping on his part, frankly. He lacks the racist
and war-mongering zeal of Tancredo, however...which is why Tancredo
will get the anti-immigrant faction of the neocon vote (most
anti-immigrant types love the war in Iraq).
Ron Paul has his redneck side..which I don't like. But he is far more
level headed and reasonable than that fascist bible-thumping neocon
bigoted piece of ***** Tancredo.
Richard.
Plus, at least Paul believes in evolution.
-Ramon
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| User: "Penguin Commandos for Gore." |
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11 May 2007 10:19:13 AM |
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On May 11, 3:15 am, Ramon F Herrera <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote:
On May 11, 1:26 am, Richard Burns <richarddbu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Penguin Commandos for Gore. wrote:
On May 10, 9:58 pm, Ramon F Herrera <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Ron Paul is a racist? Go ahead and show ANY shred of evidence of
that. Go ahead. Being against open borders isn't not racism. And on
the border issue, the majority of Americans are sick of the leak in
the borders, particularly post-9/11. This goes past racist issues
to. Anyhow, Mexicans are caucasian. Care to show otherwise?
Mexicans are mostly "mestizo," mixed European and Indian.
Anyhow, Ron Paul assumes that immigrants do not want to learn
English and that many do not respect American culture and laws...
which is stereotyping on his part, frankly. He lacks the racist
and war-mongering zeal of Tancredo, however...which is why Tancredo
will get the anti-immigrant faction of the neocon vote (most
anti-immigrant types love the war in Iraq).
Ron Paul has his redneck side..which I don't like. But he is far more
level headed and reasonable than that fascist bible-thumping neocon
bigoted piece of ***** Tancredo.
Richard.
Plus, at least Paul believes in evolution.
-Ramon
Yeah, he didn't raise his hand during the question about not believing
in evolution, did he? Anyhow, I don't fully agree with Paul, but at
least he allows me to voice support for the Libertarian side of myself
in this election. I don't believe one can go back to the gold
standard, or do a fully Libertarian reduction of government. Maybe
cut back on a bunch of pork, however.
- The Rich
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| User: "Penguin Commandos for Gore." |
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11 May 2007 10:17:21 AM |
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On May 11, 2:26 am, Richard Burns <richarddbu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Penguin Commandos for Gore. wrote:
On May 10, 9:58 pm, Ramon F Herrera <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
On May 10, 12:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Plus all polls say that even the weaker democrat candidate will win
easily over the stroger rep.
-Ramon
Ron Paul is a racist? Go ahead and show ANY shred of evidence of
that. Go ahead. Being against open borders isn't not racism. And on
the border issue, the majority of Americans are sick of the leak in
the borders, particularly post-9/11. This goes past racist issues
to. Anyhow, Mexicans are caucasian. Care to show otherwise?
Mexicans are mostly "mestizo," mixed European and Indian.
Anyhow, Ron Paul assumes that immigrants do not want to learn
English and that many do not respect American culture and laws...
which is stereotyping on his part, frankly. He lacks the racist
and war-mongering zeal of Tancredo, however...which is why Tancredo
will get the anti-immigrant faction of the neocon vote (most
anti-immigrant types love the war in Iraq).
Ron Paul has his redneck side..which I don't like. But he is far more
level headed and reasonable than that fascist bible-thumping neocon
bigoted piece of ***** Tancredo.
Richard.
It is the libertarian strain in Paul that is likely the reason. I
will say there is a tendency for some ethnic groups that come into the
country to not want to assimilate, and learn the English language.
They are just here for low wage labor only (not welfare), but really
have no interest in being citizens. They just want money so they can
send it back. NAFTA totally trashed segments of the Mexican economy
displacing a lot of workers.
- The Rich
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| User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
11 May 2007 12:41:11 AM |
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Ramon F Herrera wrote:
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Putting america before mexico does not make one a racist. Americans are
sick of this illegal invasion and the opposition of tancredo and paul to
the invasion will win them more votes than it costs them.
And most americans now know that the other candidates support the
illegals only because they are paid by the businesses that use the cheap
illegal labor.
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| User: "" |
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11 May 2007 11:34:08 AM |
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"The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Putting america before mexico does not make one a racist. Americans
are
sick of this illegal invasion and the opposition of tancredo and paul
to the invasion will win them more votes than it costs them.
And most americans now know that the other candidates support the
illegals only because they are paid by the businesses that use the
cheap
illegal labor."
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Exactly! It is time the American people develop some testicles when
it comes to the nation destroying invasion of illegal immigrants. It
is time to bury political correctness in a New Jersey swamp! Illegal
immigrants are criminals and they only have one right, that is to be
kicked out of the country ASAP!
IB
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| User: "Ramon F Herrera" |
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11 May 2007 02:18:10 AM |
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On May 11, 12:41 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ramon F Herrera wrote:
The two racist, anti-immigrant candidates combined (Tancredo + Paul)
won't get a fraction of the votes more balanced candidates will
obtain.
Putting america before mexico does not make one a racist. Americans are
sick of this illegal invasion and the opposition of tancredo and paul to
the invasion will win them more votes than it costs them.
And most americans now know that the other candidates support the
illegals only because they are paid by the businesses that use the cheap
illegal labor.
I wrote a thread in your honor, DD. This is its title:
"If you are so astute and clever, how come you swallowed the "Greedy
employers need cheap labor" lie, hook, sink and line?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_frm/thread/9610071f662fe0da/8f6bbf1e443ba1f1#8f6bbf1e443ba1f1
http://tinyurl.com/346kk7
-Ramon
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| User: "Penguin Commandos for Gore." |
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11 May 2007 12:35:27 AM |
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On May 10, 1:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
If the Democrats nominate Hillary, then McCain on the Iraq conflict,
will end up being a wash. Hillary has a large dislike factor about
her. She also has a pathetically thin resume. Hillary is fool's gold
for the Democrats. She is kind of a mix of Bill Clinton and a moment
to get a woman elected president. Hillary is NOT Bill, not nearly
having the same resume as Bill had when he became president. Her only
major attempt to do something while being an advisor to Bill (health
care reformed) failed miserably, and she waffled on Iraq. Anyhow, to
show how bad her resume is, Obama (he doesn't have a strong resume
either) has a bigger resume than Hillary.
Ron Paul is part of the smaller government, strict constitutionalist
branch of conservatism (representing that remnant in the GOP). He
won't get the nomination, but one hopes that he can make some noise at
least.
- The Rich
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| User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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11 May 2007 12:44:59 AM |
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Penguin Commandos for Gore. wrote:
Ron Paul is part of the smaller government, strict constitutionalist
branch of conservatism (representing that remnant in the GOP). He
won't get the nomination, but one hopes that he can make some noise at
least.
- The Rich
I can see Paul getting the nomination as repubs realize that they simply
have to break with the past and run someone really different. Otherwise
repubs might go extinct.
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| User: "Aunt Judy likes it in the rear" |
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10 May 2007 12:29:10 PM |
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On May 10, 1:20 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary" republicans,
it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
You sure about that, Aunt Judy? I mean, it's hard to take the word of
someone so retarded they've got to ask why there aren't bumpers on the
SIDES of cars. By the way, did you ever find out the answer, retard?
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10 May 2007 12:34:44 PM |
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On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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10 May 2007 08:16:04 PM |
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On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkyblacks@yahoo.com"
<inkyblacks@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Oh yeah, Ron Paul is on the right side of the illegal
immigration issue as well as unnecassary Middle East
wars.....Just Ron Paul and Tancredo and that's about it.
--
Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
***************
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
********
Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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11 May 2007 12:39:46 AM |
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On May 10, 9:16 pm, can_o_worms <can_o_wo...@bogus.com> wrote:
On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkybla...@yahoo.com"
<inkybla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Oh yeah, Ron Paul is on the right side of the illegal
immigration issue as well as unnecassary Middle East
wars.....Just Ron Paul and Tancredo and that's about it.
What is interesting here is you have a person who won the nomination
of the Libertarian Party who also is on the crack down of illegal
immigration. Libertarians are usually pro-open borders. I believe
also Ron Paul in in the Pro-Life camp.
Want a candidate that should appeal to the Republican base? Well,
that is Ron Paul. But he is over 70 now.
- The Rich
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11 May 2007 08:13:01 AM |
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On 10 May 2007 22:39:46 -0700, "Penguin Commandos for Gore."
<getrich@1upandup.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:16 pm, can_o_worms <can_o_wo...@bogus.com> wrote:
On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkybla...@yahoo.com"
<inkybla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Oh yeah, Ron Paul is on the right side of the illegal
immigration issue as well as unnecassary Middle East
wars.....Just Ron Paul and Tancredo and that's about it.
What is interesting here is you have a person who won the nomination
of the Libertarian Party who also is on the crack down of illegal
immigration. Libertarians are usually pro-open borders.
Nobody has to adhere to the stereotypes that the stupid
Libertarian Party has painted themselves in with.
The Libertarian Party has bad political instincts. It's tried
to pander to open borders while the country is focused on
closing them and it sits out the debate on wars in the Middle
East.
The Libertarian Party is remarkably boring.
I believe
also Ron Paul in in the Pro-Life camp.
I think he prefers that to be a State issue and not one decided
by the feds (not sure about this one since it's not an issue of
concern for me)
Want a candidate that should appeal to the Republican base? Well,
that is Ron Paul. But he is over 70 now.
- The Rich
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Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
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Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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10 May 2007 08:12:03 PM |
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On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkyblacks@yahoo.com"
<inkyblacks@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
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No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Ron Paul has the impeccable voting record against
against unnecessary wars in the Middle East including
voting against Clinton's formalization of a policy of regime
change in Iraq in '98 and a similar bill pertaining to Iran in '06.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
Chuck Hagel voted for all of that.....That's what I go by: The
voting record and not sound bites.
--
Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
***************
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
********
Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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| User: "" |
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10 May 2007 08:38:19 PM |
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I agree that Ron Paul is much better on Middle East issues, but
America is not going to elect someone who will dismantle Social
Security. Chuck Hagel has long shot odds to get the Republican
nomination, but an excellent chance to win the general election if
nominated, especially if Democrats nominate monster Hillary.
IB
On May 10, 5:12 pm, can_o_worms <can_o_wo...@bogus.com> wrote:
On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkybla...@yahoo.com"
<inkybla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
--------------------------------------------------------------
No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Ron Paul has the impeccable voting record against
against unnecessary wars in the Middle East including
voting against Clinton's formalization of a policy of regime
change in Iraq in '98 and a similar bill pertaining to Iran in '06.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
Chuck Hagel voted for all of that.....That's what I go by: The
voting record and not sound bites.
--
Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
***************
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
********
Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "Bama Brian" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
11 May 2007 12:45:59 AM |
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wrote:
I agree that Ron Paul is much better on Middle East issues, but
America is not going to elect someone who will dismantle Social
Security.
Ron Paul, even if elected, stands the same chance of dismantling SS that
you do when you write e-mails to alt.politics.
The best we can hope for in Ron Paul as president is that he may be able
to slow down the scary growth rate of the federal government. Note that
I say "may be able to". Are you aware that even when the feds claim
that they have a zero growth budget, that they have a four percent
budget hike built in for inflation?
As a side benefit, as commander in chief of the army, Ron Paul should be
able to get the troops home in a year or so.
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 10:36:04 PM |
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On 10 May 2007 18:38:19 -0700, "inkyblacks@yahoo.com"
<inkyblacks@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree that Ron Paul is much better on Middle East issues, but
America is not going to elect someone who will dismantle Social
Security. Chuck Hagel has long shot odds to get the Republican
nomination, but an excellent chance to win the general election if
nominated, especially if Democrats nominate monster Hillary.
IB
Well if Hagel actually gets nominated I've already considered
voting for him in the General Election. I'd be breaking my promise
to myself not to vote for anyone who voted for Public Law 107-243
(Authorization for use of force in Iraq). I want to know if he's got
the urge to surge in Iran first.
I haven't voted in a Republican primary since Buchanan but like
Ron Paul on closing the border and his consistent voting against
the better interests of warmongers.
On May 10, 5:12 pm, can_o_worms <can_o_wo...@bogus.com> wrote:
On 10 May 2007 10:34:44 -0700, "inkybla...@yahoo.com"
<inkybla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 10, 9:20 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The way Bush has totally screwed up the image of "ordinary"
republicans, it appears the likes of McCain and Giuliani have no
chance. Repubs must
choose Ron Paul even though they don't like him since he's really a
libertarian.
--------------------------------------------------------------
No! Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel is the man! Hagel is an anti-war
Republican and a Vietnam vet. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid
and voodoo ridden with religious fanatics to nominate him. The
Republican Party has degenerated into an anti-science gang of delusion
extremists, who are almost totally worthless to our society. Fred
Thompson is ***** Cheney with Hollywood makeup!
Ron Paul is too extreme on economic issues, but he is a good man.
IB
Ron Paul has the impeccable voting record against
against unnecessary wars in the Middle East including
voting against Clinton's formalization of a policy of regime
change in Iraq in '98 and a similar bill pertaining to Iran in '06.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
Chuck Hagel voted for all of that.....That's what I go by: The
voting record and not sound bites.
--
Recent legislation sponsored by the
"American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran.
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
***************
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 105
H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006
BILL TITLE: To hold the current regime in Iran
accountable for its threatening behavior and to
support a transition to democracy in Iran
YEAS 397
Too numerous to list but include Democrats Jack Murtha,
John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee,
and Lynn Woolsey.
NAYS 21
Tammy Baldwin - Dem
Earl Blumenauer - Dem
Allen Boyd - Dem
Peter DeFazio - Dem
John J. Duncan - Rep
Jeff Flake - Rep
John Hostettler - Rep
Walter B. Jones (NC) - Rep
Dennis Kucinich - Dem
Jim Leach - Rep
Jim McDermott - Dem
Jim McGovern - Dem
Cynthia McKinney - Dem
Jim Oberstar - Dem
Dave Obey - Dem
John Olver - Dem
Ron Paul - Rep
Nick Rahall - Dem
Vic Snyder - Dem
Pete Stark - Dem
Gene Taylor (MS) - Dem
********
Did I mention that this legislation was sponsored by
the "American Israel Public Affairs Committee"
to effect an eventual regime change in Iran ?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
No energy lobbies pushing this legislation.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
11 May 2007 12:26:04 AM |
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On May 10, 7:36 pm, can_o_worms <can_o_wo...@bogus.com> wrote:
"I haven't voted in a Republican primary since Buchanan but like Ron
Paul on closing the border and his consistent voting against the
better interests of warmongers."
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I voted for Buchanan in that primary as well. I also voted for Ron
Paul when he ran for president. This time around I think it will be a
contest between Obama and Romney or Fred Thompson. I will vote for
the lesser of the evils, which in my opinion is Barack Obama. I also
think we should bring our troops home to protect our borders, not
Iraq's borders.
IB
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11 May 2007 11:44:59 AM |
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There is no hope for the GOP in '08. Ron Paul needs to join a human
party.
Rick Hohensee
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
11 May 2007 04:25:37 PM |
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On May 11, 8:44 am, "hohenseer...@yahoo.com" <hohenseer...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"There is no hope for the GOP in '08. Ron Paul needs to join a human
party."
Rick Hohensee
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The last thing Democrats need is overconfidence!
Hillary Clinton is sure death for Democrats in 08. With Obama or
Gore, they have a very good chance of winning, but nothing is 100%
guaranteed!
In any case, this is really a battle between Americans and Zionists.
The Zionist Left is just as bad as the Zionist Right. It is the cult
of Zionism that started the Iraq war, that wants to start an Iran war,
and that is sucking America's economy dry. There use to be loyal
American Republicans and loyal American Democrats. Now both parties
are sold out to Israel, with Republicans being more militaristic, but
both parties bow and scrape at the feet of AIPAC, the America Israel
Public Affairs Committee. We need to get rid of the Zionist influence
in American politics and have an America-first foreign policy instead
of our suicidal Israel-first policies of the past.
America should no longer be a slave colony of Israel!
IB
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| User: "P.Henery" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 12:53:39 PM |
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:33 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
The republicans have no hope for 2008 or 2010 or 2012.....
stick a fork in them, they're done.
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
10 May 2007 02:29:31 PM |
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"P.Henery" <P.Henery@revolution.org> wrote in
news:1r2943cdcgtts.1e766209a84ni.dlg@40tude.net:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:33 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
The republicans have no hope for 2008 or 2010 or 2012.....
stick a fork in them, they're done.
Don't underestimate the ability of Democrats to ***** up. Since we are
stuck with two suck parties we'll just keep bouncing back and forth between
two sucky options
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| User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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| Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the only hope for the GOP in 2008?? |
11 May 2007 11:42:23 AM |
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z wrote:
"P.Henery" <P.Henery@revolution.org> wrote in
news:1r2943cdcgtts.1e766209a84ni.dlg@40tude.net:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:33 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
The republicans have no hope for 2008 or 2010 or 2012.....
stick a fork in them, they're done.
Don't underestimate the ability of Democrats to ***** up. Since we are
stuck with two suck parties we'll just keep bouncing back and forth between
two sucky options
We need to scrap this two party system which has turned into a one party
system. Repubs and dems have learned there's a lot of money to be made
if they agree on all the major issues.
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