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"Tom Jefferson" |
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07 Nov 2003 11:08:52 PM |
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Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
November 7, 2003
Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in the East?
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
Who you are you going to believe: the company that tracks job losses and has
nothing to gain by misrepresenting jobs data or the Bush administration that
has everything to gain?
If you just look at the numbers, Challenger, Gray and Christmas, an
outplacement firm, said that there were 171,874 layoffs in October. The Bush
administration, under the cover of the Labor Department, said 126,000 new
jobs were added (mostly in the low-paying service sector industry) in
October. On BuzzFlash's planet that means there were 50,000 MORE Americans
without jobs.
And knowing this administrations penchant for obfuscation, exaggeration and
lying, we'd say that the number of jobs that they said they created is
probably a lot lower.
So, don't believe Bush's hype. Bush's economy -- the one he created by
running record deficits, cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting programs
for the rest of us -- doesn't look very good, no matter how much make-up
they slather on the jobs data.
* * *
US Job Cuts Surged 125 Percent in Oct.-Challenger
Tue Nov 4,12:03 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The number of job cuts announced by U.S. employers more
than doubled in October, after declining for two months, calling into
question the strength of job market as other segments of the economy surge.
Planned layoffs at U.S. firms shot up to 171,874 jobs in October, from
76,506 in September, job placement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said on
Tuesday. Layoffs were at their highest since Oct. 2002, when 176,010 job
cuts were announced.
* * *
Payrolls Surge, Third Straight Rise
Fri, Nov 07, 2003
By Anna Willard
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy added more than twice the number of
jobs expected in October, the third straight monthly gain, and the jobless
rate fell, the government said on Friday in a report pointing to a labor
market recovery.
The Labor Department also made substantial upward revisions to payrolls for
August and September, a sign sizzling economic growth in the third quarter
translated into more jobs.
The number of workers on U.S. payrolls outside the farm sector in October
soared 126,000, the largest rise since January, after climbing 125,000 in
the previous month. The number far outstripped analyst expectations
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/11/ana03302.html
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A pattern of deception
A hard truth appears to have escaped the notice of the public and received
scant attention from the media: Bush is the first president in American
history to use deceptive propaganda as his main means of communications in
selling his policies. His pattern of deception continues unabated and in
direct conflict with the notion of the public's informed consent that is
central to American democracy.
Walter Williams is professor emeritus at the University of Washington's
Evans School of Public Affairs.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/6378746.htm
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| User: "Laura Bush - Americas kid-killer" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 11:39:03 AM |
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"Tom Jefferson" <tomj@democracy.org> wrote in message news:<3fac7a6f$0$91678$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com>...
November 7, 2003
Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in the East?
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
Who you are you going to believe: the company that tracks job losses and has
nothing to gain by misrepresenting jobs data or the Bush administration that
has everything to gain?
If you just look at the numbers, Challenger, Gray and Christmas, an
outplacement firm, said that there were 171,874 layoffs in October. The Bush
administration, under the cover of the Labor Department, said 126,000 new
jobs were added (mostly in the low-paying service sector industry) in
October. On BuzzFlash's planet that means there were 50,000 MORE Americans
without jobs.
And knowing this administrations penchant for obfuscation, exaggeration and
lying, we'd say that the number of jobs that they said they created is
probably a lot lower.
So, don't believe Bush's hype. Bush's economy -- the one he created by
running record deficits, cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting programs
for the rest of us -- doesn't look very good, no matter how much make-up
they slather on the jobs data.
People are idiots for believing all this crap about the rebounding
economy. It should be obvious that Codpiece George will lie about
anything.
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| User: "Zoso" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
07 Nov 2003 11:19:17 PM |
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Average the two numbers!
Like a mathematician would.
Take your two best estimates and find the median.
-171,874
+126,000
=-45,874
-45,874
/2
=-22,939
So it looks like there was a median loss of 22,939 jobs.
All the more reason for Bush to celebrate.
"Tom Jefferson" <tomj@democracy.org> wrote in message
news:3fac7a6f$0$91678$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com...
November 7, 2003
Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in the
East?
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
Who you are you going to believe: the company that tracks job losses and
has
nothing to gain by misrepresenting jobs data or the Bush administration
that
has everything to gain?
If you just look at the numbers, Challenger, Gray and Christmas, an
outplacement firm, said that there were 171,874 layoffs in October. The
Bush
administration, under the cover of the Labor Department, said 126,000 new
jobs were added (mostly in the low-paying service sector industry) in
October. On BuzzFlash's planet that means there were 50,000 MORE Americans
without jobs.
And knowing this administrations penchant for obfuscation, exaggeration
and
lying, we'd say that the number of jobs that they said they created is
probably a lot lower.
So, don't believe Bush's hype. Bush's economy -- the one he created by
running record deficits, cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting programs
for the rest of us -- doesn't look very good, no matter how much make-up
they slather on the jobs data.
* * *
US Job Cuts Surged 125 Percent in Oct.-Challenger
Tue Nov 4,12:03 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The number of job cuts announced by U.S. employers
more
than doubled in October, after declining for two months, calling into
question the strength of job market as other segments of the economy
surge.
Planned layoffs at U.S. firms shot up to 171,874 jobs in October, from
76,506 in September, job placement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said
on
Tuesday. Layoffs were at their highest since Oct. 2002, when 176,010 job
cuts were announced.
* * *
Payrolls Surge, Third Straight Rise
Fri, Nov 07, 2003
By Anna Willard
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy added more than twice the number
of
jobs expected in October, the third straight monthly gain, and the jobless
rate fell, the government said on Friday in a report pointing to a labor
market recovery.
The Labor Department also made substantial upward revisions to payrolls
for
August and September, a sign sizzling economic growth in the third quarter
translated into more jobs.
The number of workers on U.S. payrolls outside the farm sector in October
soared 126,000, the largest rise since January, after climbing 125,000 in
the previous month. The number far outstripped analyst expectations
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/11/ana03302.html
--
A pattern of deception
A hard truth appears to have escaped the notice of the public and received
scant attention from the media: Bush is the first president in American
history to use deceptive propaganda as his main means of communications in
selling his policies. His pattern of deception continues unabated and in
direct conflict with the notion of the public's informed consent that is
central to American democracy.
Walter Williams is professor emeritus at the University of Washington's
Evans School of Public Affairs.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/6378746.htm
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| User: "OrionCA" |
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08 Nov 2003 06:04:50 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:08:52 -0700, "Tom Jefferson"
<tomj@democracy.org> wrote:
Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in the East?
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
<snip hysterical conspiracy garbage>
Just can't accept the truth, can you?
--
"Iraq was a brilliant campaign fought with minimal
casualties, 11 September was a humiliating failure
by government to fulfill its primary role of
national defence. But Democrats who complained that
Bush was too slow to act on doubtful intelligence
re 9/11 now profess to be horrified that he was too
quick to act on doubtful intelligence re Iraq. This
is not a serious party."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-07-19&id=3319
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| User: "U N Me" |
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08 Nov 2003 12:11:34 AM |
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Tom Jefferson wrote:
November 7, 2003
Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in the East?
I was talking to a business man today about all the hype and excitement from
these numbers. I asked him if he is seeing a pickup in his business. His
reply, "No". He does about 10 million/yr in business but he's done better.
Competitors of his are going out of business, some quite large...put it this
way...larger than he is. His suppliers are crying the blues because so many
businesses aren't getting work that they aren't selling much. Some of his
competitors are working for the cost of labor simply to have some work to
do...no profit built in...so I expect some of them to close their door in the
future if the bush economy continues. Then he went on to disucss state budgets
and federal deficits and his prognosis is that things aren't going to get better
for at least a year.
At that point I realized that most of the people in this newsgroup pointing
gleeully at the economic numbers are hourly drones, retired, are stock market
investors that add no product, or believe in fantasy and not reality.. It's a
shame that few if any posters in these newsgroups aren't business owners. If
they were, they wouldn't be debasing themselves to bush and DC. They'd realize
they tout a sham and a scam.
These are the idiots that will vote for bush in 2004.
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| User: "George Johnson" |
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08 Nov 2003 08:15:59 AM |
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"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
news:3FAC85E2.CF504A1F@together.com
| Tom Jefferson wrote:
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|> November 7, 2003
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|> Is The Government Exaggerating Job Creation? Does The Sun Rise in
|> the East?
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| I was talking to a business man today about all the hype and
| excitement from these numbers. I asked him if he is seeing a pickup
| in his business. His reply, "No". He does about 10 million/yr in
| business but he's done better. Competitors of his are going out of
| business, some quite large...put it this way...larger than he is.
| His suppliers are crying the blues because so many businesses aren't
| getting work that they aren't selling much. Some of his competitors
| are working for the cost of labor simply to have some work to do...no
| profit built in...so I expect some of them to close their door in the
| future if the bush economy continues. Then he went on to disucss
| state budgets and federal deficits and his prognosis is that things
| aren't going to get better for at least a year.
|
| At that point I realized that most of the people in this newsgroup
| pointing gleeully at the economic numbers are hourly drones, retired,
| are stock market investors that add no product, or believe in fantasy
| and not reality.. It's a shame that few if any posters in these
| newsgroups aren't business owners. If they were, they wouldn't be
| debasing themselves to bush and DC. They'd realize they tout a sham
| and a scam.
|
| These are the idiots that will vote for bush in 2004.
I work for a living. The factory I work for is molding some high demand
parts (though there is no immediate demand) just to keep the factory running
without laying off the experienced workers (training a bunch of new kids
means an immediate quality drop because they aren't yet experienced on part
trimming techniques, common quality problem spots, and the risk of shipping
out bad parts which really irks the customers). Granted we are still
getting orders to remain profitable, but the owner prefers not to play risky
money games of making parts for which there are no immediate orders for even
though the orders are fairly regular for those parts.
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it actually
is.
It is important to point out bad things so that they can be fixed.
I am certainly not voting for the Criminal Traitor SUPERFRAUD George
Worthless Bush.
My friend who owns his own small printing business, however, is very
pleased with his tax cuts (which has helped him). The problem is that it
comes at the expense of impending inflation and an increase in material
costs. He may enjoy it now, but the phony tax cuts will whack him bad
pretty soon.
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08 Nov 2003 08:27:46 AM |
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"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying, because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years. The DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3 months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
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| User: "jose soplar" |
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08 Nov 2003 08:11:41 PM |
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"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
"Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?"
Does a bear defecate in the woods?
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| User: "loaferboss" |
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08 Nov 2003 08:53:23 AM |
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying, because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years. The DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3 months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise is
good - and indeed it is. But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Hey, but not all is lost in Bushland - families, especially where both
parents are out of work, get to spend more time together with their
children.
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08 Nov 2003 09:18:23 AM |
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"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying,
because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years. The
DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3
months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise is
good - and indeed it is.
I suppose the Clinton Recession has been very painful for some people to
endure, yes.
But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not
statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Actually, where real people (not liberal Democrats, who live perpetually out
of touch with reality) live, the number of new jobs INCREASED once again
(the third month in a row this has happened) by 126,000, the DOW continues
to rise (almost 10,000 now), and the Unemployment Rate continues to fall
(third month in a row now that has happened), so I think you just made
yourself sound like a silly Democrat again.
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| Title: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again? |
08 Nov 2003 09:18:23 AM |
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying,
because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years. The
DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3
months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise is
good - and indeed it is.
I suppose the Clinton Recession has been very painful for some people to
endure, yes.
But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not
statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Actually, where real people (not liberal Democrats, who live perpetually out
of touch with reality) live, the number of new jobs INCREASED once again
(the third month in a row this has happened) by 126,000, the DOW continues
to rise (almost 10,000 now), and the Unemployment Rate continues to fall
(third month in a row now that has happened), so I think you just made
yourself sound like a silly Democrat again.
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in America
....
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08 Nov 2003 09:45:47 AM |
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying,
because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years.
The
DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3
months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate
has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise
is
good - and indeed it is.
I suppose the Clinton Recession has been very painful for some people to
endure, yes.
But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not
statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Actually, where real people (not liberal Democrats, who live perpetually
out
of touch with reality) live, the number of new jobs INCREASED once again
(the third month in a row this has happened) by 126,000, the DOW
continues
to rise (almost 10,000 now), and the Unemployment Rate continues to fall
(third month in a row now that has happened), so I think you just made
yourself sound like a silly Democrat again.
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED, Demmie
bozo.
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08 Nov 2003 10:20:56 AM |
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"George Johnson" <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:vqpuk66m32sd3a@corp.supernews.com...
I honestly dislike the national economy on a rotten downturn as is
happening right now.
If I point out the economy is being ruined, that is because it
actually
is.
No, if you point out the economy is "being ruined" you are lying,
because it
is actually growing at the fastest rate it has grown in 19 years.
The
DOW
continues to rise (it's almost to the 10,000 point now), we've had 3
months
in a row of the number of jobs INCREASING, and the Unemployment Rate
has
been falling for several months now also. The national economy is on
anything BUT a "rotten downturn", in fact.
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise
is
good - and indeed it is.
I suppose the Clinton Recession has been very painful for some people to
endure, yes.
But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not
statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Actually, where real people (not liberal Democrats, who live perpetually
out
of touch with reality) live, the number of new jobs INCREASED once again
(the third month in a row this has happened) by 126,000, the DOW
continues
to rise (almost 10,000 now), and the Unemployment Rate continues to fall
(third month in a row now that has happened), so I think you just made
yourself sound like a silly Democrat again.
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED, Demmie
bozo.
You've been down so long it looks like up to you ... dear <s>
LOL
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08 Nov 2003 12:15:52 PM |
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED, Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
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| User: "BW" |
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08 Nov 2003 01:58:01 PM |
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"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED, Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate they and
their Party are going....
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| User: "loaferboss" |
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08 Nov 2003 03:57:37 PM |
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho, have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED, Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate they and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India - didn't the GOP go
there, too? ROFL
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08 Nov 2003 04:12:27 PM |
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"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in
the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho,
have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last
month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED,
Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate they
and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India -
Ain't gonna happen. The only jobs that will go to India are those jobs
where Indian labor is cheaper than American labor for the same task. Why
you Democrats are OPPOSED to the cheaper labor jobs getting sent out of the
country is beyond understanding. Besides, the biggest reason jobs are
leaving the country is because of the greedy unions, who drove wages here
artificially high. And the unions are aligned with the Democrat Party
generally, not the Republican.
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| User: "loaferboss" |
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| Title: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again? |
08 Nov 2003 04:20:00 PM |
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:12:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in
the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho,
have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last
month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED,
Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate they
and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India -
Ain't gonna happen. The only jobs that will go to India are those jobs
where Indian labor is cheaper than American labor for the same task. Why
you Democrats are OPPOSED to the cheaper labor jobs getting sent out of the
country is beyond understanding.
Because, you freakin' idiot, it puts good hard working American people with
little skills on the street - and not just union shops either - good ol
right to work states lose jobs all the time because GE or Eastman or some
other greedy ***** thinks cheaper means better.
Besides, the biggest reason jobs are
leaving the country is because of the greedy unions, who drove wages here
artificially high. And the unions are aligned with the Democrat Party
generally, not the Republican.
It ain't all union states, baby doll - and, btw - you think union workers
who pay their dues AND their taxes are less of Americans than, oh - you?
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08 Nov 2003 04:31:02 PM |
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"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:12:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in
the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where
American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho,
have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last
month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED,
Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate
they
and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India -
Ain't gonna happen. The only jobs that will go to India are those jobs
where Indian labor is cheaper than American labor for the same task.
Why
you Democrats are OPPOSED to the cheaper labor jobs getting sent out of
the
country is beyond understanding.
Because, you freakin' idiot,
Go to hell, you pathetic namecalling Democrat *****. You Demmies keep
losing elections because your agenda sucks, because your "debating" method
consists of calling people names, and because your hate-filled personalities
are now on display on the Internet for all to see.
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| User: "loaferboss" |
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| Title: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again? |
08 Nov 2003 05:56:46 PM |
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:31:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:12:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
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BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in
the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where
American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho,
have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last
month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED,
Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate
they
and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India -
Ain't gonna happen. The only jobs that will go to India are those jobs
where Indian labor is cheaper than American labor for the same task.
Why
you Democrats are OPPOSED to the cheaper labor jobs getting sent out of
the
country is beyond understanding.
Because, you freakin' idiot,
Go to hell, you pathetic namecalling Democrat *****. You Demmies keep
losing elections because your agenda sucks, because your "debating" method
consists of calling people names, and because your hate-filled personalities
are now on display on the Internet for all to see.
LOL ... did you learn your editing at the Moonie times?
it puts good hard working American people with
little skills on the street - and not just union shops either - good ol
right to work states lose jobs all the time because GE or Eastman or some
other greedy ***** thinks cheaper means better.
Besides, the biggest reason jobs are
leaving the country is because of the greedy unions, who drove wages here
artificially high. And the unions are aligned with the Democrat Party
generally, not the Republican.
It ain't all union states, baby doll - and, btw -
Answer the question, you fraud -
Do you think union workers
who pay their dues AND their taxes are less of Americans than, oh - you?
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08 Nov 2003 09:41:54 PM |
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loaferboss <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<BBD2E450.830E%loaferboss@comcast.net>...
From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:12:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"loaferboss" <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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From: "BW" <bw4@verizon.net>
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:58:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Democrats lying to the American people again?
"U N Me" <unme@together.com> wrote in message
news:3FAD2F92.8A5781C2@together.com...
BW wrote:
Well, in Houston or Beverly Hills, possibly ... or maybe you're in
the
neighborhood where 'The Real World' is taped - but not where American
people
live ... nope. ... factories close, restaurants close - Ho Ho Ho,
have
a
pink slip Merry Christmas and an unemployed New Year down here in
America
As I said, the number of new jobs INCREASED by 126,000 this last
month.
That's the third month in a row the number of jobs has INCREASED,
Demmie
bozo.
Are you an hourly drone at the Dollar Store?
No, but all of the Nine Democrat Dwarves soon will be, at the rate they
and
their Party are going....
Yep we all will be once all the jobs finally go to India -
Ain't gonna happen. The only jobs that will go to India are those jobs
where Indian labor is cheaper than American labor for the same task. Why
you Democrats are OPPOSED to the cheaper labor jobs getting sent out of the
country is beyond understanding.
Because, you freakin' idiot, it puts good hard working American people with
little skills on the street - and not just union shops either - good ol
right to work states lose jobs all the time because GE or Eastman or some
other greedy ***** thinks cheaper means better.
Besides, the biggest reason jobs are
leaving the country is because of the greedy unions, who drove wages here
artificially high. And the unions are aligned with the Democrat Party
generally, not the Republican.
It ain't all union states, baby doll - and, btw - you think union workers
who pay their dues AND their taxes are less of Americans than, oh - you?
Perhaps had Clinton's administration actually supported businesses
rather than attempt to tax them into oblivion, more would have stuck
around. The Bush administration's revolutionary idea (to democrats
anyway) that an environment favorable, rather than antogonistic,
towards business would improve jobs and the economy is obviously
working. Democrats, take notice.
MJ
MJ
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08 Nov 2003 04:45:29 PM |
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loaferboss <loaferboss@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<BBD27BA3.81B8%loaferboss@comcast.net>...
You know, when you've been on the bottom so long it seems like any rise is
good - and indeed it is. But where real people live plants are still
closing, people are still being put out of work, and the available jobs
don't come close to making up for what people - real people, not statistics
- have lost in benefits and wages.
Hey, but not all is lost in Bushland - families, especially where both
parents are out of work, get to spend more time together with their
children.
Well, Loafer, the upside to this is if your party has its way, what
with them cheering on the sidelines while over 110,000 babies are
aborted (killed) every single month of the year, then you won't have
even these "children" to worry about too much longer, now will you?
Won't be any more around in a few years. Nosirree, the demmie killer
abortionists are seeing to that. Sure, Loafer, your party is real
concerned about children, especially if they were born in Iraq. Yep,
your party can't cry enough tears over them. Certainly your crowd
doesn't mind killing our own.
Cordially, Marie
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08 Nov 2003 10:43:52 PM |
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Yawn... recessions come and go. The Dems will try to milk it for what
it's worth... and the GOP tax cut psychos will do the same...
pretending that the economy turned around ONLY because of their
irresponsible tax cuts to the wealthy.
What utter *****.
The GOP's "tax cuts = growth" is the Big Lie the GOP can't live
without. Ya they spin tax cuts benefit everyone when only the wealthy
were intended... and who cares what the true cost is since it's all
paid by future taxpayers. How f*ckin noble.
The simple fact is recessions always end.... with or without tax cuts.
In fact Clinton showed that responsible tax increases do not push an
economy into recession.
But we can't have that simple truth divert the GOP tax cut psychos
from their true goal: to create a budgetary train wreck that will kill
SS and the Great Society.
Gee... why don't they run on that platform rather than trying to
deceive the American Voter?
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 09:04:08 AM |
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George Johnson wrote:
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My friend who owns his own small printing business, however, is very
pleased with his tax cuts (which has helped him). The problem is that it
comes at the expense of impending inflation and an increase in material
costs. He may enjoy it now, but the phony tax cuts will whack him bad
pretty soon.
Let me ask you, if a tax cut helps him now, would no tax cut help him
aslo? If taxes increase the price of products, will lower taxes reduce
the price of products? If the price of products goes up, will he sell
more or less of his products?
If the government can't pay its bills without inflating the money
supply, wouldn't it be good to reduce those bills by reducing the
spending?
What is phony about tax cuts? They are real. People got a little of
their money back.
What is phony is the government programs that cost so much and do so
little.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work.
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| User: "George Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 10:39:27 AM |
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:3FACF7F8.9000402@mac.com...
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| George Johnson wrote:
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| > My friend who owns his own small printing business, however, is very
| >pleased with his tax cuts (which has helped him). The problem is that it
| >comes at the expense of impending inflation and an increase in material
| >costs. He may enjoy it now, but the phony tax cuts will whack him bad
| >pretty soon.
| >
|
| Let me ask you, if a tax cut helps him now, would no tax cut help him
| aslo? If taxes increase the price of products, will lower taxes reduce
| the price of products? If the price of products goes up, will he sell
| more or less of his products?
He hasn't changed his prices. There is no reason to.
There is no reason for any other supplier of products to cut their
prices unless their sales go down.
A tax cut of any huge or small measure will never reflect a lowering of
prices in the marketplace.
So I state, "NO. Lower taxes do not reduce the price of products, but
they do lower the cost of shipping raw materials to a infinitesimal degree.
However, the makers of those products - while making more money - have no
logical or financial reason to lower their prices at all."
Imagine it costs you $0.10 to make a cup of lemonade which you then sell
for $0.25 and a tax cut saves you $0.02 on lemon shipping and you are still
making a really good profit on selling lemonade priced at $0.25, would you
lower your prices or secretly enjoy the extra $0.02 you get now per lemonade
cup sale?
See. There is ZERO REASON to reduce prices from a tax cut if your sales
are still good.
Logical SUPPLY & DEMAND charts (regardless of high taxes or low taxes)
simply state that poor sales must equal lower prices.
| If the government can't pay its bills without inflating the money
| supply, wouldn't it be good to reduce those bills by reducing the
| spending?
Reducing taxes AND reducing spending are both key to healthy growing
economy.
While government taxes have been lowered, state taxes have increased
(especially in the poorer states down South).
| What is phony about tax cuts? They are real. People got a little of
| their money back.
They are phony because they do nothing about the reasons government
services never reduce their costs.
While Federal taxes have been decreased somewhat, state taxes and user
fees have increased.
You see, the workers at the bottom of the pay scale always get hit first
by budget cuts. Administration officials almost never will cut their own
pay. CEOs never cut their pay or bonuses despite claims of "Performance
Based Pay Scale". KMART is in deep financial crap and the CEOs are still
giving themselves big bonuses and pay raises because they really don't care
if the company recovers or fails. They've got their money and a tax cut
isn't going to change a damn thing about that.
| What is phony is the government programs that cost so much and do so
| little.
|
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
| and more
|
| Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
| who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
| fundamentally corrupting and can not work.
Actually certain government programs do continually good deeds (the
national highway programs, the FDA, NASA's research programs, science
research grants, etc...) which reward America quite nicely. Never
underestimate the power of many people working for a common goal which is
good for all.
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 12:50:50 PM |
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George Johnson wrote:
"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:3FACF7F8.9000402@mac.com...
|...
|
| Let me ask you, if a tax cut helps him now, would no tax cut help him
| aslo? If taxes increase the price of products, will lower taxes reduce
| the price of products? If the price of products goes up, will he sell
| more or less of his products?
He hasn't changed his prices. There is no reason to.
There is no reason for any other supplier of products to cut their
prices unless their sales go down.
A tax cut of any huge or small measure will never reflect a lowering of
prices in the marketplace.
So I state, "NO. Lower taxes do not reduce the price of products, but
they do lower the cost of shipping raw materials to a infinitesimal degree.
However, the makers of those products - while making more money - have no
logical or financial reason to lower their prices at all."
Imagine it costs you $0.10 to make a cup of lemonade which you then sell
for $0.25 and a tax cut saves you $0.02 on lemon shipping and you are still
making a really good profit on selling lemonade priced at $0.25, would you
lower your prices or secretly enjoy the extra $0.02 you get now per lemonade
cup sale?
See. There is ZERO REASON to reduce prices from a tax cut if your sales
are still good.
Logical SUPPLY & DEMAND charts (regardless of high taxes or low taxes)
simply state that poor sales must equal lower prices.
That is true. If sales are good there is no point in lowering prices.
But if his competitor can snag his customers with lower then sales and
income drop and he would have to drop his prices to compete or go out of
business.
Now lets turn it around. If taxes went up, he'd have to raise prices
even if sales were the same. Imagin it cost you 10 cents to make a pack
of cigarettes, which is probably about what it costs. You could sell it
at 25cents a pack, which is what I once paid for it. Now, add tax of
$6.75. What do you think the price would be? And tell me also. What do
you think sales will be as good? So even if sales go down, price goes up
to pay for the tax.
| If the government can't pay its bills without inflating the money
| supply, wouldn't it be good to reduce those bills by reducing the
| spending?
Reducing taxes AND reducing spending are both key to healthy growing
economy.
While government taxes have been lowered, state taxes have increased
(especially in the poorer states down South).
Well, then we will all have to elect politicians at every level who want
to spend less.
| What is phony about tax cuts? They are real. People got a little of
| their money back.
They are phony because they do nothing about the reasons government
services never reduce their costs.
While Federal taxes have been decreased somewhat, state taxes and user
fees have increased.
Well, then we will all have to elect politicians at every level who want
to spend less.
You see, the workers at the bottom of the pay scale always get hit first
by budget cuts. Administration officials almost never will cut their own
pay. CEOs never cut their pay or bonuses despite claims of "Performance
Based Pay Scale". KMART is in deep financial crap and the CEOs are still
giving themselves big bonuses and pay raises because they really don't care
if the company recovers or fails. They've got their money and a tax cut
isn't going to change a damn thing about that.
Well, then we will all have to elect politicians at every level who want
to spend less.
Kmart I don't worry about. If they don't give the customers what they
want, the company will go bakrupt. This is not that case with your
public schools or any other government business.
| What is phony is the government programs that cost so much and do so
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| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
| http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
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| Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
| who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
| fundamentally corrupting and can not work.
Actually certain government programs do continually good deeds (the
national highway programs, the FDA, NASA's research programs, science
research grants, etc...) which reward America quite nicely. Never
underestimate the power of many people working for a common goal which is
good for all.
Oh! The roads! You mean like the Thruway or the George Washington Bride?
they are making a good profit. "We" keep paying for them over and over.
In fact, the GWB toll recently went up about 50%. The Transit Authaurity
was found to keep two sets of books. Just like Enron. Where is the
outrage? After all, it's the People's bridge. We the People are really
in charege of the MTA. That's what I read. That's what I believe. If
the MTA keeps two sets of books and charges for the bridge over and over
its good for the people - by faith and definition. It has been so decreed.
You will have to tell me what the Common Goal is.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Myth.shtml
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08 Nov 2003 01:33:49 PM |
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Werner Hetzner wrote:
Oh! The roads! You mean like the Thruway or the George Washington Bride?
they are making a good profit. "We" keep paying for them over and over.
In fact, the GWB toll recently went up about 50%. The Transit Authaurity
was found to keep two sets of books. Just like Enron. Where is the
outrage? After all, it's the People's bridge. We the People are really
in charege of the MTA. That's what I read. That's what I believe. If
the MTA keeps two sets of books and charges for the bridge over and over
its good for the people - by faith and definition. It has been so decreed.
Werner's motto is "I am an island in a sea with no other islands because no other
islands are needed because there is only me."
His second favotite is "When I die, I'll die a friendless, lonely old man but
that's OK because I never did care about anyone else."
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08 Nov 2003 08:37:41 PM |
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U N Me wrote:
Werner Hetzner wrote:
Oh! The roads! You mean like the Thruway or the George Washington Bride?
they are making a good profit. "We" keep paying for them over and over.
In fact, the GWB toll recently went up about 50%. The Transit Authaurity
was found to keep two sets of books. Just like Enron. Where is the
outrage? After all, it's the People's bridge. We the People are really
in charege of the MTA. That's what I read. That's what I believe. If
the MTA keeps two sets of books and charges for the bridge over and over
its good for the people - by faith and definition. It has been so decreed.
Werner's motto is "I am an island in a sea with no other islands because no other
islands are needed because there is only me."
His second favotite is "When I die, I'll die a friendless, lonely old man but
that's OK because I never did care about anyone else."
My motto is "What the ***** is that Public Interest U N Me knows so much
about?"
My motto is "If it takes a village to raise a child, who the ***** is
responsible for the kid?" Which village kid are you responsible for? And
what have you done for that kid?
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| User: "U N Me" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 12:13:17 PM |
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George Johnson wrote:
It is important to point out bad things so that they can be fixed.
I am certainly not voting for the Criminal Traitor SUPERFRAUD George
Worthless Bush.
My friend who owns his own small printing business, however, is very
pleased with his tax cuts (which has helped him). The problem is that it
comes at the expense of impending inflation and an increase in material
costs. He may enjoy it now, but the phony tax cuts will whack him bad
pretty soon.
That's what my business friend said. At some point the piper will need to be
paid and it won't be pretty.
But during that time the supporters of bush on this newsgroup....the hourly
drones, the stock market traders that add no product in the economy, retirees,
and fantasy believers will tell the rest of us how good everything is.
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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08 Nov 2003 12:54:30 PM |
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U N Me wrote:
George Johnson wrote:
It is important to point out bad things so that they can be fixed.
I am certainly not voting for the Criminal Traitor SUPERFRAUD George
Worthless Bush.
My friend who owns his own small printing business, however, is very
pleased with his tax cuts (which has helped him). The problem is that it
comes at the expense of impending inflation and an increase in material
costs. He may enjoy it now, but the phony tax cuts will whack him bad
pretty soon.
That's what my business friend said. At some point the piper will need to be
paid and it won't be pretty.
But during that time the supporters of bush on this newsgroup....the hourly
drones, the stock market traders that add no product in the economy, retirees,
and fantasy believers will tell the rest of us how good everything is.
Your business friend and you should have noticed that the peper has been
continually paid and it hasn't been pretty.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work.
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| User: "U N Me" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bush admin using fuzzy math to calculate job gains? |
08 Nov 2003 01:29:37 PM |
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Werner Hetzner wrote:
That's what my business friend said. At some point the piper will need to be
paid and it won't be pretty.
But during that time the supporters of bush on this newsgroup....the hourly
drones, the stock market traders that add no product in the economy, retirees,
and fantasy believers will tell the rest of us how good everything is.
Your business friend and you should have noticed that the peper has been
continually paid and it hasn't been pretty.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work.
Well, you are one of the fringees that couldn't make it on your own w/o the help of
others but believe you can. So maintain your unnatural love for bush and take joy
are the country goies down.
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