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"Robert Henderson" |
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18 Jan 2005 01:58:45 AM |
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Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
The London Evening Standard Diary yesterday 17 Jan ran a piece on the
new education secretary Ruth Kelly's member ship of the extreme Catholic
organisation Opus Dei. It was a product of Franco's Spain.
Membership of Opus Dei is by invitation only and the organisation is
unashamedly elitist. members engage in self flagellation and other
practices such as wearing a spiked chain called a "cilice" to mortify
the flesh.
The ES claimed that backbench MPs were unhappy with her appointment
because of the Opus Dei membership , not least because of what they see
as its fascist roots.
More immediately pressing is the question of whether Blair is developing
a religious cabal within the cabinet. If he is, the cabinet will be
utterly at variance with the general public which displays very little
active religious belief. RH
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Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 08:31:02 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:58:45 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
typed:
The London Evening Standard Diary yesterday 17 Jan ran a piece on the
new education secretary Ruth Kelly's member ship of the extreme Catholic
organisation Opus Dei. It was a product of Franco's Spain.
Membership of Opus Dei is by invitation only and the organisation is
unashamedly elitist. members engage in self flagellation and other
practices such as wearing a spiked chain called a "cilice" to mortify
the flesh.
The ES claimed that backbench MPs were unhappy with her appointment
because of the Opus Dei membership , not least because of what they see
as its fascist roots.
More immediately pressing is the question of whether Blair is developing
a religious cabal within the cabinet. If he is, the cabinet will be
utterly at variance with the general public which displays very little
active religious belief. RH
you will be gratified to know the founder was recently sainted
(founded 1928)....so talking of it being a product of franco's spain
or of 'fascist roots' is inaccurate....
like so many hatstands you are probably confusing socialist fascism
with catholic (francoist) falangism....opus dei was a section of
franco's alliance in the latter part of his rule
regards...
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 08:56:07 AM |
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In article <fp6qu01ftk4vjloqim2nqsgbimtmh880ck@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
you will be gratified to know the founder was recently sainted
(founded 1928)....so talking of it being a product of franco's spain
or of 'fascist roots' is inaccurate....
like so many hatstands you are probably confusing socialist fascism
with catholic (francoist) falangism....opus dei was a section of
franco's alliance in the latter part of his rule
Franco was a figure in Spanish politics by 1928. RH
regards...
--
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Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 11:06:54 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:07 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
typed:
In article <fp6qu01ftk4vjloqim2nqsgbimtmh880ck@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
you will be gratified to know the founder was recently sainted
(founded 1928)....so talking of it being a product of franco's spain
or of 'fascist roots' is inaccurate....
like so many hatstands you are probably confusing socialist fascism
with catholic (francoist) falangism....opus dei was a section of
franco's alliance in the latter part of his rule
Franco was a figure in Spanish politics by 1928. RH
if it makes you feel happier..
regards....
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc 1,092,815 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
19 Jan 2005 01:35:15 AM |
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In article <vnfqu0lav1ppij6qrnfekl9jehocaekn2a@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
like so many hatstands you are probably confusing socialist fascism
with catholic (francoist) falangism....opus dei was a section of
franco's alliance in the latter part of his rule
Franco was a figure in Spanish politics by 1928. RH
if it makes you feel happier..
No, it merely makes me historically aware. Do upload some history into
it someone! RH
regards....
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Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
19 Jan 2005 07:49:20 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:35:15 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
typed:
In article <vnfqu0lav1ppij6qrnfekl9jehocaekn2a@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
like so many hatstands you are probably confusing socialist fascism
with catholic (francoist) falangism....opus dei was a section of
franco's alliance in the latter part of his rule
Franco was a figure in Spanish politics by 1928. RH
if it makes you feel happier..
No, it merely makes me historically aware. Do upload some history into
it someone! RH
you could always upload that alleged history yourself...
regards..
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc 1,092,815 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
19 Jan 2005 09:59:09 AM |
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In article <m9psu0d8v4r4spk3fqfp1rftboc6nv6lb1@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
if it makes you feel happier..
No, it merely makes me historically aware. Do upload some history into
it someone! RH
you could always upload that alleged history yourself...
I do regularly - into "you" but "your" memory banks and processing
capacity aren't up to it. RH
regards..
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
20 Jan 2005 08:47:00 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:09 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
typed:
In article <m9psu0d8v4r4spk3fqfp1rftboc6nv6lb1@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard2@abelard.org> writes
if it makes you feel happier..
No, it merely makes me historically aware. Do upload some history into
it someone! RH
you could always upload that alleged history yourself...
I do regularly
course you do...
regards....
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc 1,092,815 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 09:52:52 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:58:45 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
The London Evening Standard Diary yesterday 17 Jan ran a piece on the
new education secretary Ruth Kelly's member ship of the extreme Catholic
organisation Opus Dei. It was a product of Franco's Spain.
Membership of Opus Dei is by invitation only and the organisation is
unashamedly elitist. members engage in self flagellation and other
practices such as wearing a spiked chain called a "cilice" to mortify
the flesh.
The ES claimed that backbench MPs were unhappy with her appointment
because of the Opus Dei membership , not least because of what they see
as its fascist roots.
More immediately pressing is the question of whether Blair is developing
a religious cabal within the cabinet. If he is, the cabinet will be
utterly at variance with the general public which displays very little
active religious belief. RH
Religious leaders have been given special access to the cabinet.
Blair and his clique dwell on right over wrong and practice the
opposite in true religious nutter style.
Sexual and social morality/control have been at the forefront of their
legislation.
Religious periods or holidays seem to roll off their tongues a lot
more easily than the man on the clapham omnibus.
The adulterous ex-chief of the stazi claims to be a devout christian.
State radio rams religion down the listeners throat at every
opportunity.
In washington bliars leader says prayers everyday and woe betide any
member of his team that does not attend.
Religion is a psychosis ,encouraged from birth.
The age of the Ayatollahs is upon us.
ukmp
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 10:01:54 PM |
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I doubt it. Remember, we're dealing with politicians here.
There might be religious poseurs in the cabinet, but they are 100 percent
there for what they can get out of it, not what they can do for God.
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 02:05:36 PM |
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Robert Henderson wrote:
The London Evening Standard Diary yesterday 17 Jan ran a piece on the
new education secretary Ruth Kelly's member ship of the extreme Catholic
organisation Opus Dei. It was a product of Franco's Spain.
Membership of Opus Dei is by invitation only and the organisation is
unashamedly elitist. members engage in self flagellation and other
practices such as wearing a spiked chain called a "cilice" to mortify
the flesh.
The ES claimed that backbench MPs were unhappy with her appointment
because of the Opus Dei membership , not least because of what they see
as its fascist roots.
More immediately pressing is the question of whether Blair is developing
a religious cabal within the cabinet. If he is, the cabinet will be
utterly at variance with the general public which displays very little
active religious belief. RH
The general public also displays very little political activism so that,
presumably, makes any cabinet utterly at variance with the general
public. What influence do you say this cabal exerts? It's not enough
to say that religious interest groups have special access to government,
I think, since so do farmers, road hauliers and all manner of people
who've got a particular axe to grind.
Steve
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| User: "gazzafield" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
19 Jan 2005 09:33:49 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kMu3pLA31g7BFwD2@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <3558ghF4he71tU1@individual.net>, Stephen Glynn
<stephen.glynn@ntlworld.com> writes
The general public also displays very little political activism
That is a process not a belief. RH
And if you care so much about the shite "Beliefs" that you have then do
something about it instead of boring the rest of us to death.
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| User: "David Platt" |
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| Title: Re: Is there a religious cabal in the cabinet? |
18 Jan 2005 01:05:05 PM |
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Robert Henderson wrote:
The London Evening Standard Diary yesterday 17 Jan ran a piece on the
new education secretary Ruth Kelly's member ship of the extreme Catholic
organisation Opus Dei. It was a product of Franco's Spain.
Membership of Opus Dei is by invitation only and the organisation is
unashamedly elitist. members engage in self flagellation and other
practices such as wearing a spiked chain called a "cilice" to mortify
the flesh.
This is all the rage now, as almost these exact words appear in the
opening chapters of the best seller 'The Davinci Code'.
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