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16 May 2004 10:48:22 AM |
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Islam - Female genital mutilation is a good thing |
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=31397
"..the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in
favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated
in some of the Prophet's Hadiths – even though such Hadiths are not
confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet, peace and
blessings be upon him said to a midwife: "Reduce the size of the
clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her
health and is preferred by husbands". The Hadith indicates that
circumcision is better for a woman's health and it enhances her
conjugal relation with her husband, the Prophet's saying "do not
exceed the limit" means do not totally remove the clitoris."
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* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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| User: "Koyaanisqatsi Fahrvergnugen" |
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| Title: Re: Islam - Female genital mutilation is a good thing |
16 May 2004 05:55:24 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
"Reduce the size of the
clitoris but do not exceed
the limit, for that is better
for her health and is preferred
by husbands ... do not exceed the
limit means do not totally remove
the clitoris."
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
Right Click: "Save Target As" on:
Video of the murder of Nick Berg in Iraq (iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB)
http://www.dataaxiom.net/video/iraq2vadiom.wmv
Friday, May 14, 2004
Nick Berg was buried ... in Pennsylvania, U.S.A..
Saturday, May 15, 2004
The video was taped with two separate cameras,
which explains why the audio and time-code are
out-of-sync. Nick was alive when they began to
cut his throat. His torso was lunging as they
sawed into his neck.
AND...
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
http://www.Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Daniel Pearl
http://pratyush.s5.com/pearl.html
The Self is the sun shining in the sky,
The wind blowing in space; he is the fire
At the altar and in the home the guest;
He dwells in human beings, in gods, in truth,
And in the vast firmament; he is the fish
Born in water, the plant growing in earth,
The river flowing down the mountain.
For this Self is supreme!
(Katha Upanishad II.2.2)
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
Abu Ghraib and the Pornography of Power
5/14/2004
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/
Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
Concerns Raised by the [ever so innocent] Vatican!
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html
by WAYNE MADSEN
George W. Bush proclaims himself a born-again Christian.
However, Bush and fellow self-anointed neo-Christians
like House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, and
sports arena Book of Revelations carnival hawker
Franklin Graham appear to wallow in a "Christian" blood
lust cult when it comes to practicing the teachings of
the founder of Christianity. This cultist form of
Christianity, with its emphasis on death rather than
life, is also worrying the leaders of mainstream
Christian religions, particularly the Pope.
One only has to check out Bush's record as Governor of
Texas to see his own preference for death over life.
During his tenure as Governor, Bush presided over a
record setting 152 executions, including the 1998
execution of fellow born-again Christian Karla Faye
Tucker, a convicted murderer who later led a prison
ministry. Forty of Bush's executions were carried out
in 2000, the year the Bush presidential campaign was
spotlighting their candidate's strong law enforcement
record. The Washington Post's Richard Cohen reported
in October 2000 that one of the execution chamber's
"tie-down team" members, Fred Allen, had to prepare
so many people for lethal injections during 2000, he
quit his job in disgust.
Bush mocked Tucker's appeal for clemency. In an
interview with Talk magazine, Bush imitated Tucker's
appeal for him to spare her life - pursing his lips,
squinting his eyes, and in a squeaky voice saying,
"Please don't kill me." That went too far for former
GOP presidential candidate Gary Bauer, himself an
evangelical Christian. "I think it is nothing short
of unbelievable that the governor of a major state
running for president thought it was acceptable to
mock a woman he decided to put to death," said Bauer.
A former Texas Department of Public Safety officer,
a devout Roman Catholic, told this reporter that
evidence to the contrary, Bush was more than happy
to ignore DNA data and documented cases of
prosecutorial misconduct to send innocent people to
the Huntsville, Texas lethal injection chamber.
He said the number of executed mentally retarded,
African Americans, and those who committed capital
crimes as minors was proof that Bush was insensitive
and a "phony Christian." [Continued at:
<http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html>]
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Evangelical+Bush
Schedule of Upcoming Extremist Events: 2004
http://www.adl.org/learn/Events_2001/events_2003_flashmap.asp
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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| Title: Re: Islam - Female genital mutilation is a good thing |
16 May 2004 06:06:20 PM |
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On 16 May 2004 15:55:24 -0700, (Koyaanisqatsi Fahrvergnugen) wrote:
ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
"Reduce the size of the
clitoris but do not exceed
the limit, for that is better
for her health and is preferred
by husbands ... do not exceed the
limit means do not totally remove
the clitoris."
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
Right Click: "Save Target As" on:
Video of the murder of Nick Berg in Iraq (iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB)
http://www.dataaxiom.net/video/iraq2vadiom.wmv
VIDEO - Compassionate Muslims Stone Woman to Death
GRAPHIC!!! - You are Warned ..
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm#video
Introduction
Stoning to death is a cruel insane Islamic punishment given to people
who are married but still voluntarily have sex outside marraige. This
punishment was ordered by the "merciful" Prophet, who ofcourse was the
messenger of the "merciful" Allah.
Many hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was
ordered and practiced by Muhammed, for example:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who
have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both
of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the
funeral prayers beside the mosque."
What happens in Stoning?
In stoning to death, the victims's hands are tied behind their backs
and their bodies are put in a cloth sack. Then, this human "package"
is buried in a hole, with only the victims heads showing above the
ground. If its a woman, she is buried upto her shoulders. This is to
give her an seemingly equal (but nonetheless impossible) chance to
escape recognizing her lesser physical strength.
After the hapless individual has been secured in the hole, people
start chanting "Allah hu Akbar" (meaning, God is great), and throw
palm sized stones at the head of the victim from a certain distance (a
circle is drawn).
The stones are thrown until the person dies or until he/she escapes
out of the hole and crosses the circle. Escaping is impossible, given
that the individual's hands are tied behind their backs and they are
buried in a hole upto their necks or shoulders (in the case of males
and females respectively).
Naturally, the procedure is extremely barbaric and bloody.
Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and
thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea
and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are
weak-hearted.
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* See the REAL 'Religion of Peace', Islam, on this site - EXCELLENT
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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| User: "neptune3" |
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| Title: Re: Islam - Female genital mutilation is a good thing |
16 May 2004 12:31:19 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:48:22 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
"..the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in
favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated
in some of the Prophet's Hadiths – even though such Hadiths are not
confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet, peace and
blessings be upon him said to a midwife: "Reduce the size of the
clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her
health and is preferred by husbands". The Hadith indicates that
circumcision is better for a woman's health and it enhances her
conjugal relation with her husband, the Prophet's saying "do not
exceed the limit" means do not totally remove the clitoris."
"Genital clitoris mutilation is not an Islamic practice. It is in fact
against
Islamic teaching. Clitoral mutilation performed in several African
countries
including Egypt are traditional practice and has nothing to do with
Islam,
although several misguided muslim group practiced the tradition."
Rowani.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info/ www.nsm88.com
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Islam - Female genital mutilation is a good thing |
17 May 2004 04:22:20 PM |
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neptune3 wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:48:22 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
"..the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct
is in favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way
indicated in some of the Prophet's Hadiths - even though such
Hadiths are not confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the
Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him said to a midwife: "Reduce
the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is
better for her
health and is preferred by husbands". The Hadith indicates that
circumcision is better for a woman's health and it enhances her
conjugal relation with her husband, the Prophet's saying "do not
exceed the limit" means do not totally remove the clitoris."
"Genital clitoris mutilation is not an Islamic practice. It is in
fact
against
Islamic teaching. Clitoral mutilation performed in several African
countries
including Egypt are traditional practice and has nothing to do with
Islam,
although several misguided muslim group practiced the tradition."
Rowani.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info/ www.nsm88.com
Please do not use the phrase "female genital mutilation" to describe
this practice. The term used to describe culturally endorsed genital
mutilation which is often over-laid with specious religious
justification and supported by the victims to which the barbaric
practice has been applied is *circumcision*. All forms of circumcision
for anything other than strict medical necessity (a vanishingly small
proportion) is culturally endorsed child sexual abuse. Using the term
circumcision to describe butchery of the penis and using a different
label for the (admittedly far more severe) mutilation of the female
genitals is only helping to increase the problem by making out that in
some way male circumcision is acceptable and normal.
Circumcision is wrong. All forms of cosmetic surgery on children is
wrong. All forms of surgical manipulation of the genitals of
pre-pubescent children is wrong. Don't split hairs on this matter.
Circumcision is evil. Female circumcision is more evil because more
function is denied the victim but let's be quite clear about this,
hacking away at the genitals of children because it was done in the
past is wrong, no matter what tissues are removed and what
justifications are offered. Genital mutilation is wrong, male or
female. Use the same words, use the same revulsion, use the same
resolve. End this barbarity now.
http://mwillett.org/mind/circumcise.htm
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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