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"John Berg" |
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23 Jun 2005 09:31:03 AM |
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Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
All counter-intuitive scientific results are interesting and, of necessity,
so is this one. Before reading this study I would have thought that the UN
study pointing out that the entire Muslim world has a GDP less than Spain
described a reality hard to overcome. But reading the headline more
carefully and paraphrasing for effect, suggests a rich and inviting area of
study. I paraphrase the study's title: Religion, the concern about the
hereafter, has no discernable effect on a state's economic situation. Thus
the religious aspects of Islam can't be said to impoverish the people's of
Muslim states, or the Muslim people of Non-Muslim states. Are the
deleterious effects from the jurisprudence aspects of Islam, the
incorporated Arabic culture of Islam, the deen, the other-worldly-ness of
Islam?
Another economic researcher writes:
"In particular, whatever other comforts Islamism gives its adherents, it is
clearly an inferior instrument of economic development. In fact, some of its
variants, including that of the Taliban, have proven to be positively
harmful, even hostile, to material prosperity. The laudable goal of
cherishing the achievements of diverse cultures and respecting cultural
differences does not absolve us of the responsibility to acknowledge
failures, dead-ends, and dangers where they are noticed. "
The same researcher writes:
"[offered] as an improvement is an Islamic economic system. The key
components of the envisioned Islamic economy are an Islamic banking system
that avoids interest, an Islamic redistribution system based on Qur'anic
principles of sharing and equity, and a set of norms to ensure fairness and
honesty in the marketplace. To anyone familiar with the complexities of
modern economic relations, this list will seem hopelessly truncated. In
fact, the "Islamic" elements of the planned economic transformation do not
go much beyond these three elements."
Unfortunately, this researcher seems to offer recommendations that Muslims
can't accept. Think of a Muslim country. What does that country create
that the Western world would want to import? A Muslim must ask, "What have
I to exchange for Western products?" This question ought not create angry
retorts that disclose a lack of answer but rather is the exact question
every entrepeneur must ask.
--
John Berg
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John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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| Title: Re: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
23 Jun 2005 05:24:59 PM |
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"John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com> wrote:
Before reading this study
Another economic researcher writes:
Dude, could you include some actual links and/or authorship information, so
that we could have some idea what you're talking about?
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من الإرهابي
المنتحر
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Phaedrine" |
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| Title: Re: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
23 Jun 2005 08:56:55 PM |
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In article <HIzue.97165$nG6.83078@attbi_s22>,
"John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com> wrote:
Subject: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
23 Jun 2005 10:40:36 AM |
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Islam does not hinder the economic development of Muslim countries. As
a tool for Pan Arab Imperialism, Islam is used by the movers and
shakers of Islamist establishment to hinder not only the economic, but
also intellectual, technological, scientific development of Muslim
countries and prevent them from from freeing themselves from the yoke
of Pan Arab Imperialism, from establishing a true and lating peace with
other peoples regarrdless of culture, religion, language, etc.
Pan Arab Imperialists are still dreaming of a Pan Arab World Empire.
They invented Islam as a tool for that purpose.
John Berg wrote:
All counter-intuitive scientific results are interesting and, of necessity,
so is this one. Before reading this study I would have thought that the UN
study pointing out that the entire Muslim world has a GDP less than Spain
described a reality hard to overcome. But reading the headline more
carefully and paraphrasing for effect, suggests a rich and inviting area of
study. I paraphrase the study's title: Religion, the concern about the
hereafter, has no discernable effect on a state's economic situation. Thus
the religious aspects of Islam can't be said to impoverish the people's of
Muslim states, or the Muslim people of Non-Muslim states. Are the
deleterious effects from the jurisprudence aspects of Islam, the
incorporated Arabic culture of Islam, the deen, the other-worldly-ness of
Islam?
Another economic researcher writes:
"In particular, whatever other comforts Islamism gives its adherents, it is
clearly an inferior instrument of economic development. In fact, some of its
variants, including that of the Taliban, have proven to be positively
harmful, even hostile, to material prosperity. The laudable goal of
cherishing the achievements of diverse cultures and respecting cultural
differences does not absolve us of the responsibility to acknowledge
failures, dead-ends, and dangers where they are noticed. "
The same researcher writes:
"[offered] as an improvement is an Islamic economic system. The key
components of the envisioned Islamic economy are an Islamic banking system
that avoids interest, an Islamic redistribution system based on Qur'anic
principles of sharing and equity, and a set of norms to ensure fairness and
honesty in the marketplace. To anyone familiar with the complexities of
modern economic relations, this list will seem hopelessly truncated. In
fact, the "Islamic" elements of the planned economic transformation do not
go much beyond these three elements."
Unfortunately, this researcher seems to offer recommendations that Muslims
can't accept. Think of a Muslim country. What does that country create
that the Western world would want to import? A Muslim must ask, "What have
I to exchange for Western products?" This question ought not create angry
retorts that disclose a lack of answer but rather is the exact question
every entrepeneur must ask.
--
John Berg
--
John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
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| User: "chrisT" |
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| Title: Re: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
23 Jun 2005 11:06:17 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:31:03 GMT, "John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com>
wrote:
All counter-intuitive scientific results are interesting and, of necessity,
so is this one. Before reading this study I would have thought that the UN
study pointing out that the entire Muslim world has a GDP less than Spain
described a reality hard to overcome. But reading the headline more
carefully and paraphrasing for effect, suggests a rich and inviting area of
study. I paraphrase the study's title: Religion, the concern about the
hereafter, has no discernable effect on a state's economic situation. Thus
the religious aspects of Islam can't be said to impoverish the people's of
Muslim states, or the Muslim people of Non-Muslim states. Are the
deleterious effects from the jurisprudence aspects of Islam, the
incorporated Arabic culture of Islam, the deen, the other-worldly-ness of
Islam?
Another economic researcher writes:
"In particular, whatever other comforts Islamism gives its adherents, it is
clearly an inferior instrument of economic development. In fact, some of its
variants, including that of the Taliban, have proven to be positively
harmful, even hostile, to material prosperity. The laudable goal of
cherishing the achievements of diverse cultures and respecting cultural
differences does not absolve us of the responsibility to acknowledge
failures, dead-ends, and dangers where they are noticed. "
The same researcher writes:
"[offered] as an improvement is an Islamic economic system. The key
components of the envisioned Islamic economy are an Islamic banking system
that avoids interest, an Islamic redistribution system based on Qur'anic
principles of sharing and equity, and a set of norms to ensure fairness and
honesty in the marketplace. To anyone familiar with the complexities of
modern economic relations, this list will seem hopelessly truncated. In
fact, the "Islamic" elements of the planned economic transformation do not
go much beyond these three elements."
Unfortunately, this researcher seems to offer recommendations that Muslims
can't accept. Think of a Muslim country. What does that country create
that the Western world would want to import? A Muslim must ask, "What have
I to exchange for Western products?" This question ought not create angry
retorts that disclose a lack of answer but rather is the exact question
every entrepeneur must ask.
How about OIL ???
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John Berg
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| User: "John Berg" |
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| Title: Re: Islam hinders the economic development of Muslim countries. |
03 Jul 2005 10:43:58 AM |
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A colony ships its raw resources. A modern civilized nations ships an
intellectual property.
--
John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
"chrisT" <micromutt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dk1nb1dimcnulu12t1612gceii7mmj1i5l@4ax.com...
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:31:03 GMT, "John Berg" <johnberg@mchsi.com>
wrote:
All counter-intuitive scientific results are interesting and, of
necessity,
so is this one. Before reading this study I would have thought that the
UN
study pointing out that the entire Muslim world has a GDP less than Spain
described a reality hard to overcome. But reading the headline more
carefully and paraphrasing for effect, suggests a rich and inviting area
of
study. I paraphrase the study's title: Religion, the concern about the
hereafter, has no discernable effect on a state's economic situation. Thus
the religious aspects of Islam can't be said to impoverish the people's of
Muslim states, or the Muslim people of Non-Muslim states. Are the
deleterious effects from the jurisprudence aspects of Islam, the
incorporated Arabic culture of Islam, the deen, the other-worldly-ness of
Islam?
Another economic researcher writes:
"In particular, whatever other comforts Islamism gives its adherents, it
is
clearly an inferior instrument of economic development. In fact, some of
its
variants, including that of the Taliban, have proven to be positively
harmful, even hostile, to material prosperity. The laudable goal of
cherishing the achievements of diverse cultures and respecting cultural
differences does not absolve us of the responsibility to acknowledge
failures, dead-ends, and dangers where they are noticed. "
The same researcher writes:
"[offered] as an improvement is an Islamic economic system. The key
components of the envisioned Islamic economy are an Islamic banking system
that avoids interest, an Islamic redistribution system based on Qur'anic
principles of sharing and equity, and a set of norms to ensure fairness
and
honesty in the marketplace. To anyone familiar with the complexities of
modern economic relations, this list will seem hopelessly truncated. In
fact, the "Islamic" elements of the planned economic transformation do not
go much beyond these three elements."
Unfortunately, this researcher seems to offer recommendations that Muslims
can't accept. Think of a Muslim country. What does that country create
that the Western world would want to import? A Muslim must ask, "What
have
I to exchange for Western products?" This question ought not create angry
retorts that disclose a lack of answer but rather is the exact question
every entrepeneur must ask.
How about OIL ???
--
John Berg
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| User: "Topaz" |
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03 Jul 2005 06:08:52 PM |
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This is a typical example of what the USA (Great Satan) stands for:
NEA, Gay Militants: Joined At The Hip
Lee Duigon
If a private citizen tells his neighbor's children that they ought to
try
gay sex, he might wind up in a correctional facility. If he talks that
way
to your 13-year-old son, you'll want him put away--pronto.
But when this very same behavior, toward the same children, is
displayed by
adults who belong to America's biggest teachers' union, most parents
simply
let them do it. In fact, they pay them to.
The NEA is committed to the cause of militant homosexuality. It's the
richest, most politically powerful union in America, and it has daily
access
to most of America's children. And it wants to recruit them for the
homosexual lifestyle.
Lean this equation, America:
Public schools=The homosexual agenda
If you don't believe it, visit nea-glc.org/, the website of the
National
Education Association's Gay and Lesbian Coalition. There, among their
"great
achievements" in shaping NEA policy, the homosexual militants cite the
NEA's
promotion of "the lesbian-gay-bisexual curriculum" and "family life
education... regarding the diversity of sexual orientation."
The NEA has also campaigned for the proclamation of
"Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual History Month" (try putting that on
a
T-shirt), homosexual studies at Catholic colleges--and, of course,
homosexual "marriage."
The people of Massachusetts know the teachers' union's commitment to
"gay
marriage." Aline Isaacson of GLSEN (Gay-Lesbian-Straight Education
Network),
the media's favorite poster gal for "gay marriage", is
also--surprise!--a
paid consultant to the Massachusetts teachers' union. Paid in taxpayer
dollars, to boot. (You may remember Massachusetts GLSEN from a few
years ago
as the organizers of graphic, intensely perverted sex "workshops" for
public
school children--a scandal that came to be known as "fist-gate.")
Ms. Isaacson, according to the grass-roots Article 8 Alliance, these
days
makes it a full-time job lobbying state legislators to keep them from
jumping ship on "gay marriage" and voting for the Bill of Address
which
would remove the outlaw Supreme Judicial Court judges who imposed this
oxymoron on the people of Massachusetts. Supported by taxpayers'
money, she
makes daily, face-to-face visits to individual lawmakers. Nice work if
you
can get it.
Too bad you couldn't make it to the gym teachers' state convention in
New
Jersey, in February. It wasn't about volleyball. For public school gym
teachers, Job One--according to the convention's floor displays,
handouts,
posters, and workshop topics (all of which I saw personally)--is
getting the
kids comfy with homosexuality. To this end, they handed out a
"resource
guide"--handsomely produced, slick, paid for largely by Fleet Bank
Inc.--intended for distribution in all the public schools. (For more
information, see my article, "Now It's the Gym Teachers," in the
February
archive of the Chalcedon website, chalcedon.edu.)
You would have seen even more of the same at "Twenty Years of Great
Sex
(Ed)" last year, a national conference of "sex educators" hosted by
Rutgers,
New Jersey's taxpayer-funded state university. Again, there was no
effort to
hide the educators' whole-hearted penchant for homosexuality...
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "" |
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23 Jun 2005 10:57:08 AM |
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The many millenniums-old, very intense and very deadly hostilities
between Arabs, Jews, and Europeans go back to pre-Roman times, if not
earlier. The three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
have been invented for that purpose as tools of war and imperialism to
controll the limited resources of Northern Africa, Europe and the
Middle East.
The three Abrahamic religions are all race-based militaristic and
political institutions. They have been invented and used to advance the
the political, racist, nationalistic, cultural agendas of their
inventors. Every one of these three religions was invented for its
followers to form a political and militaristic unity against the
others, conquer, enslave, oppress other peoples and loot their
pocessions.
When Judaism was invented, only Jews converted to it, nobody else. When
Christianity was invented as an off-shoot of Judaism, only Europeans
converted to it, mostly by force. But Europeans fragmanted and modified
it to fit it to their own regional, cultural, political, nationalistic,
racial agendas. When Islam was inveted as yet another off-shoot of
Judaism, first only Arabs converted to it mostly by force, then again
by force others were converted. Islam too has been used as a tool to
advance Pan Arab Imperialism.
Do you see anybody else converted to and practice either Judaism,
Christianity or Islam by their own free will??? Of course not. When one
is born to Judaist parents, chances are very strong one will be Judaist
until one dies. Same with the others. Of course a few exceptions do not
change the realities. So, what does that mean? People brain-wash their
children with their own religious, racist, nationalistic, cultural
garbage so well that the children cannot free themselves from that
biases and prejudices in their entire lifetime. This also means
Judaism, Christianity, Islam are all racist, militaristic, political
institutions having nothing to do with God or religion.
Christians, Moslems and Judaists raped, tortured, massacred untold
millions of each other and innocent and defenseless peoples throughout
the World for the name of Christianity, Islam and Judaism, but actually
to control the limited resources of the World.
Pegan Europeans very successfully converted a perfectly good and
peacefull Christianity into a pegan religion to use it as a tool of
agression and hatred. If and when you go to any Christian church, you
will see all the relics and symbols of European peganism.
Christian Europe as a result of the "reforms" they went through,
learned how to package themselves as civilized people and disguise
their hostilities against the non-Christians. Now It is time for the
Moslems to do the same.
If most Arabs were, let's say, Christian, instead of Moslem, then
Euroeans would be Moslem. Or, if most Jews were, let's say, Moslem,
then most Arabs would be Judaist. In other words, religion has not
created the deep rooted historical hostilities among Jews, Arabs and
Europeans; it was created by unconditional hatred, jealousy and greed
against each other to oppress each other and control the limited
resources of Northern Africa, Middleeast and Europe.
John Berg wrote:
All counter-intuitive scientific results are interesting and, of necessity,
so is this one. Before reading this study I would have thought that the UN
study pointing out that the entire Muslim world has a GDP less than Spain
described a reality hard to overcome. But reading the headline more
carefully and paraphrasing for effect, suggests a rich and inviting area of
study. I paraphrase the study's title: Religion, the concern about the
hereafter, has no discernable effect on a state's economic situation. Thus
the religious aspects of Islam can't be said to impoverish the people's of
Muslim states, or the Muslim people of Non-Muslim states. Are the
deleterious effects from the jurisprudence aspects of Islam, the
incorporated Arabic culture of Islam, the deen, the other-worldly-ness of
Islam?
Another economic researcher writes:
"In particular, whatever other comforts Islamism gives its adherents, it is
clearly an inferior instrument of economic development. In fact, some of its
variants, including that of the Taliban, have proven to be positively
harmful, even hostile, to material prosperity. The laudable goal of
cherishing the achievements of diverse cultures and respecting cultural
differences does not absolve us of the responsibility to acknowledge
failures, dead-ends, and dangers where they are noticed. "
The same researcher writes:
"[offered] as an improvement is an Islamic economic system. The key
components of the envisioned Islamic economy are an Islamic banking system
that avoids interest, an Islamic redistribution system based on Qur'anic
principles of sharing and equity, and a set of norms to ensure fairness and
honesty in the marketplace. To anyone familiar with the complexities of
modern economic relations, this list will seem hopelessly truncated. In
fact, the "Islamic" elements of the planned economic transformation do not
go much beyond these three elements."
Unfortunately, this researcher seems to offer recommendations that Muslims
can't accept. Think of a Muslim country. What does that country create
that the Western world would want to import? A Muslim must ask, "What have
I to exchange for Western products?" This question ought not create angry
retorts that disclose a lack of answer but rather is the exact question
every entrepeneur must ask.
--
John Berg
--
John Berg
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
ceased to be a great power among men. --W. Churchill
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