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http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD65504
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)
Februari 06 2004
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: Resistance in Iraq and Palestine is
Legitimate; America is Satan; Islam Will Invade America and Europe
Following the recent death of Muslim Brotherhood movement leader
Mamoun Al-Hudhaybi, Muhammad Mahdi Othman 'Akef was appointed as his
successor. He has since given a number of interviews to the Arab
media. The following are excerpts from the interviews:
Martyrdom Operations are a Religious Obligation in Palestine and Iraq
In an interview with the Egyptian pro-Nasserite weekly Al-Arabi, 'Akef
spoke about suicide bombing operations: "The Muslim Brotherhood
movement condemns all bombings in the independent Arab and Muslim
countries. But the bombings in Palestine and Iraq are a [religious]
obligation. This is because these two countries are occupied
countries, and the occupier must be expelled in every way possible.
Thus, the [Muslim Brotherhood] movement supports martyrdom operations
in Palestine and Iraq in order to expel the Zionists and the
Americans."(1)
In an interview with the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood weekly Al-Sabil,
'Akef spoke about the Palestinian Intifada: "The Palestinian Intifada
gave life to a cause that was on its deathbed... In Palestine,
brothers are waging Jihad with weapons and resisting the occupiers. We
try as hard as we can to support the cause by publishing books,
convening forums, and [organizing] lectures aimed at raising awareness
regarding support for Palestine, which is our central cause. If the
gates of Jihad in Palestine open before the [Muslim] Brotherhood, we
will not hesitate a single moment, and we will be with them on the
battlefield."(2)
'Akef discussed Israeli civilian casualties resulting from Palestinian
operations in Israel, telling the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "In Israel,
there should be no [differentiation between] a civilian and a member
of the military. All are enemies of the Arab homeland and of Islam.
They are occupiers and have no right to one handsbreadth of the land
of Palestine...
"We should differentiate between Jews and Zionists. The Jews have
rights by virtue of their being the People of the Book [Ahl Al-Kitab,
according to Islam], provided they are not occupiers. With regard to
the Zionists, we will resist them with all our strength."(3)
Similarly, in his interview with the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi, 'Akef
was asked about "the statements of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin
regarding agreeing to the establishment of a Palestinian state in the
Gaza Strip and the [West] Bank." He responded: "... Despite the
principle of the [Muslim] Brotherhood everywhere in the world that the
Hebrew state does not have the [right] to exist on any of the land of
Palestine from the sea to the river ... if the Hamas leader's
statements refer to a temporary stage, only then do we support them.
But everyone knows that the Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to any
Jewish or Zionist existence in any of Palestine."(4)
On the situation in Iraq, 'Akef told the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil:
"We are opposed to the American occupation of Iraq. We call on the
occupation forces to withdraw from Iraq as rapidly as possible. We
call on the countries of the world to demand of the occupation forces
to withdraw from Iraq and leave it so that it will determine its fate
by itself."(5)
'Akef further told the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "Resistance is a
legitimate right against any occupation, and it is the Iraqi people
that will determine its forms, whether the [resistance] be
ideological, political, or military."(6)
America is 'Satan' and Will Soon Collapse
In response to a question by the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi on
"relations with the U.S," 'Akef said: "We have no relations with the
U.S. It is a Satan that abuses the region, lacking all morality and
law." 'Akef also denied any "secret dialogue between the Americans and
the [Muslim] Brotherhood," saying that this is "an unfounded lie."(7)
In response to a question by the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil about
"Washington's claims that it is acting to spread democracy in the Arab
world," 'Akef said: "These are [futile] words and false propaganda. It
is not logical that the U.S. - which destroyed Afghanistan, supports
Israel's daily ongoing aggression against the Palestinian people, and
occupies Iraq and steals its treasures - is acting to spread democracy
in the Arab world."(8)
In response to a question on the U.S.'s "current attack [forcing]
change in the school curriculum in some Islamic countries," 'Akef told
the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "These [demands to change the curriculum]
are the demands of the American tyranny under which we live. America
bears a tyrannous civilization with no logic, morality, values, or
even respect for the international institutions. These demands can be
understood in light of this tyranny, and due to the Arab and Muslim
governments' lack of maturity. I pray to Allah that these rulers will
awaken from their coma, in which they have been sunk since [the
signing of] the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel...
"We have expressed no willingness to enter into dialogue with America
as a country. Moreover, we refused everything it offered in the name
of democracy, human rights, education, and the war on terror. All
these words [about willingness to maintain a dialogue with the U.S.]
are not true. It is proven that they [i.e. the Americans] bring with
them nothing but tyranny. They fight enemies that they themselves
created in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in what they call the axis of
evil. We do not hold out our hand to dialogue with America; we oppose
it absolutely. Sufficient proof of this is the [American] policy
supporting the occupiers of Palestine, and also the [American] use of
the right of veto against every U.N. resolution that is meant to
support the Palestinians."(9)
'Akef also said that he expects the U.S. to collapse in the near
future. In response to the question, "How do the U.S.'s actions
following the occupation of Iraq, its attitude to the Palestinian
problem, its siege of Syria, and the recent turnaround in Libya affect
the Arab situation?" 'Akef told the independent Egyptian weekly
Nahdhat Misr, "The matter of America's attempt to take over the world
is not new. What is new is that it appears with such a grim face,
without morals, without principles, without law, and without
recognition of the need for the U.N. or the Security Council.
"The [American] tyranny is long known. In the past, they fought
secretly, and now they are fighting openly. There is no logic or law
in the world that agrees to their occupation of Iraq [and] before that
of Palestine, or to what is happening. Allah is helping Syria, which
found no savior. Had the Arab and Muslim countries been united,
America and Israel would not have been able to withstand them.
"I am certain that without the betrayal in Iraq, the Iraqis would have
tormented the Americans with all kinds of torments. The American
forces would not have remained [in Iraq]. I expect America to collapse
soon. The elements of this collapse in America [already] exist, and
Allah is the Savior."(10)
No Proof That Al-Qa'ida Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
In response to the question from the Saudi daily Al-Watan, "Don't you
think that the September [11, 2001] events are justification of
America's [activity] in Afghanistan?" 'Akef said: "This is a false
statement, because [America] has no proof. They held no fair trial for
those arrested on the charge of the September explosion. All they say
is a list of names whom they claim bear the responsibility for the
September events. If [the Americans] provided proof of the truth of
their version, I would fight together with the Americans and join
President Bush in this war."
Regarding the claim that "the Al-Qa'ida organization acknowledged
responsibility for these operations in the videocassettes aired on
several Arab television channels," 'Akef said: "I do not pay any
attention to these films, because they are part of the psychological
war between these people [Al-Qa'ida] and the American administration.
"These cassettes came in response to the American operations.
Washington must prove by trial that they [Al-Qa'ida] are the ones who
carried out the explosions in September."(11)
An Understanding with Egypt's Government is Welcome
In his interviews, 'Akef also discussed the question of the Muslim
Brotherhood's relationship and dialogue with the Egyptian government.
He told the London Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat: "There is rancor
between us [and the government], but it is they who are reviving this
rancor by handling the matter of the Muslim Brotherhood via the
security apparatuses.
"We have told them over and over that this matter must be [handled by]
the political apparatus. If the government wants to reach an
understanding with us, then this is a welcome thing. But we will not
force anyone to cooperate with us or talk with us."(12)
'Akef told the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil: "Every national dialogue
without the Muslim Brotherhood is a dialogue doomed to failure,
because it is stillborn." On the Muslim Brotherhood's relations with
the other political forces in Egypt, he said: "We are ready to
cooperate with them while ignoring their ideological trends. As long
as the dialogue's aim is the interest of the homeland, we welcome
dialogue with the other."(13)
With regard to the movement's plans for the future, 'Akef told the
Nahdhat Misr weekly: "The first thing we want to deal with is the
subject of freedoms. This is what concerns us [now]. In the coming
period, the movement will increase its effort to engage in this
matter, because we think that providing freedom is one of the most
important steps on the way to realizing reform, as there are only
margins of democracy, which are weak, and we must expand them in order
to make more things possible.
"We do not think that it is possible to accomplish anything in the
area of [domestic] reform as long as there are laws such as the
emergency law and the great expropriation of freedoms in Egypt."(14)
Islam Will Invade Europe and America
Regarding the veil ban in France, the website http://www.alwihdah.com
reported that 'Akef said on the Muslim Brotherhood website: "Perhaps I
was among the first to express opposition to the statements by Chirac,
who described the Hijab [veil] as offensive in nature. I asked him to
understand that the Hijab is a divine commandment and that if he did
not know this then he should ask the Church. I know that among the
brothers in France, or the so-called Union of Islamic Organizations,
there are smart people who can stand against this vile stream in the
war on the Hijab, represented by the stream of Turkey and Tunisia.
With Allah's help, our brothers in France will be able to handle this
matter however they see fit."
On the question regarding the effect the veil ban will have on the
future of Islam in Europe, 'Akef said: "I have complete faith that
Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a
mission.
"The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out
of conviction. In 1993, I went to America and I published a book,
'Political Pluralism and the Woman,' that was distributed in the
mosque. Thirty [American] women converted immediately to Islam as soon
as they read it. These are people who become convinced of the right
path - but who will guide them there?"(15)
Endnotes: (1) Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (2) Al-Sabil
(Jordan), January 20, 2004. (3) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25,
2004. (4) Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (5) Al-Sabil(Jordan),
January 20, 2004. (6) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25, 2004. (7)
Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (8) Al-Sabil (Jordan), January 20,
2004. (9) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25, 2004. (10) Nahdhat Misr
(Egypt), January 21, 2004 (11) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25,
2004. (12) Al-Hayat (London), January 16, 2004. (13) Al-Sabil
(Jordan), January 20, 2004. (14) Nahdhat Misr (Egypt), January 21,
2004. (15) http://www.alwihdah.com/view.asp?cat=3&id=50.
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| Title: Re: 'Islam Will Invade U.S. and Europe' - Muslim Brotherhood Leader (Must Read) |
13 May 2004 07:30:04 AM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD65504
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
"The Arab prince Leo* (Assad), Mars, Sun, Venus#,
The reign of the Church will succumb at sea,
Towards Persia very close to a million
Turkey, Egypt, serpent will invade."
Nostradamus, Centuries V, quatrain 25
* In arabic the word "Assad" means Lion and the sole person who came to mind
is the young Syrian President Bashar Al Assad.
# Mars the Sun and Venus would be grouped together under a single sign. This
will be on 7 and 8 September 2006, when the three stars will be situated
under the constellation of Virgo.
The quatrain has the meaning - " The Arab Prince bearing the name Lion, when
Mars, the Sun together with Venus are united under a single sign, will
destroy the Kingdom of the Church from the sea "
From "Nostradamus - The Final Prophecies" ISBN 0-285-63639-1
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| User: "nunia" |
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| Title: Re: 'Islam Will Invade U.S. and Europe' - Muslim Brotherhood Leader (Must Read) |
11 May 2004 11:59:51 AM |
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Islam Will Invade Europe and America
HAHAHA-BRING IT ON MUSLIM MONKEY!
STUPID DESERT DWELLERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THEM.....
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| User: "bigmacnfries" |
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14 May 2004 09:07:51 AM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<neq1a054c9bol8vq78v6fvb5cgac558pi7@4ax.com>...
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD65504
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
They have their orders right from the mouth of their Allah:
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from
whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter,
and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with
you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the
recompense of the unbelievers.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved,
so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them
friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn
back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take
not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from
you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back
to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do
not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their
hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and
against these We have given you a clear authority.
[5-51] O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians
for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst
you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely
Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[3-151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,
because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no
authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of
the unjust.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore
make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off
every fingertip of them.
52.45] Leave them then till they meet that day of theirs wherein they
shall be made to swoon (with terror):
There is no compulsion in Islam as long as one is a Muslim.
[2-256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has
become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in
the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the
firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing,
Knowing.
Islam clearly cannot allow for any other faith. From the hadith:
Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the
Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave
any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if
they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my
behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with
Allah.
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| User: "hank" |
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12 May 2004 08:50:11 AM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<neq1a054c9bol8vq78v6fvb5cgac558pi7@4ax.com>...
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD65504
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)
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It already has invaded America...
American Blacks in inner cities are embracing their middleastern
brothers religion in record numbers...muslim.
But then...blacks have always hated AMerica .
It is time to start preparing the wire enclosures.
peace
love
hank
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| User: "David T" |
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11 May 2004 02:20:49 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:55:26 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD65504
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
That's bad grammar -- the tense is wrong. The fact is that Islam is
invading.
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| User: "snudle" |
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| Title: Re: 'Islam Will Invade U.S. and Europe' - Muslim Brotherhood Leader (Must Read) |
11 May 2004 04:16:39 PM |
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Muslims are immigrating to the west, which is not exactly the same as
invading. While it take two, three, or four generations, it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
Now, if you mean invading by an army crossing the ocean to land on western
soil, that is funny. The Islamic nations cannot even defeat Israel which is
in their backyard let alone invade the west. They lack equipment, arms,
armies, training, leadership, resources, technology, education,
manufacturing capabilities, and just about everything else that is needed to
land armies in the Western, let alone supply them in the field. The best
they could do is a suicide bombing or two or hijack another plane.
Eventually in the far future, with lots of help, with lots of time, and lots
of luck a group might be able to detonate a small nuke in the west or
America but that is not going to defeat anyone. It will just make the west
very, very mad.
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| User: "brushoff" |
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14 May 2004 01:49:16 AM |
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"snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote in message news:<c7rfrp$hbl$1@walter.acs.nmu.edu>...
Muslims are immigrating to the west, which is not exactly the same as
invading. While it take two, three, or four generations, it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
Now, if you mean invading by an army crossing the ocean to land on western
soil, that is funny. The Islamic nations cannot even defeat Israel which is
in their backyard let alone invade the west. They lack equipment, arms,
armies, training, leadership, resources, technology, education,
manufacturing capabilities, and just about everything else that is needed to
land armies in the Western, let alone supply them in the field. The best
they could do is a suicide bombing or two or hijack another plane.
Eventually in the far future, with lots of help, with lots of time, and lots
of luck a group might be able to detonate a small nuke in the west or
America but that is not going to defeat anyone. It will just make the west
very, very mad.
In the western atmoshere, it is the Mexicans, not the torrors look
like Saddem. I love the way the brutillity of evry one can be. No
US, no *****, Islam? Bottom line some one have to die for these cause
and life moves on. This is nothing when compare to the home run kid,
Hitler. We will fight WW3 and nuke them all, dead is a dream.
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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14 May 2004 07:33:06 AM |
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On 13 May 2004 23:49:16 -0700, (brushoff) wrote:
In the western atmoshere, it is the Mexicans, not the torrors look
like Saddem. I love the way the brutillity of evry one can be. No
US, no *****, Islam? Bottom line some one have to die for these cause
and life moves on. This is nothing when compare to the home run kid,
Hitler. We will fight WW3 and nuke them all, dead is a dream.
Please put down the crack pipe, back away from the keyboard
and get some rest. You'll be glad you did.
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| User: "David T" |
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13 May 2004 12:21:27 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:39 -0400, "snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote:
Muslims are immigrating to the west, which is not exactly the same as
invading. While it take two, three, or four generations, it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
No, not at all. You need to really study. There are third generation
Italian Americans who speak more Italian than English. In San
Francisco there are multi-generational families from all over the
world who have done minimal assimilation. Assimilation is large, but
you're percentage is immagination.
You also need to take a look at what you're probably basis your idea
on: minimal information based on Western European immigration to North
American. They were primarily Christian who were very similar, and
easily assimilated in a generation. However, even that has major
exceptions. The largest anti-busing riots in the 1970s were not black
versus white in the South. They were in Boston, where descendants of
Irish, Italian, Spanish and other immigrants wanted to stay in their
segrated communities.
Islam, specifically, can be seen in an interesting light. Europeans
and North Americans who convert to Islam tend to be less violent.
However, the immigrant population from the Arab world has assimilated
only slightly. You have many mosques in Britain and the US where the
people suppport Arab anti-US reactions. I guess you'd say we should
just allow the terrorism, because in three to four generations it
might stop?
Now, if you mean invading by an army crossing the ocean to land on western
soil, that is funny.
If I'd meant that, I'd have said it. It's pretty said that you'd try
to invent that argument. If you think that's the only invasion
possible, you really do need to study harder.
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| User: "snudle" |
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| Title: Re: 'Islam Will Invade U.S. and Europe' - Muslim Brotherhood Leader (Must Read) |
13 May 2004 09:55:18 PM |
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Study history and culture more. You will find that most Americans are speak
only American and follow American culture overall.
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| User: "Renee Keller" |
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14 May 2004 12:19:18 AM |
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Spoken like a person who never truely studied, and just accepts what he sees
at face value.
"snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote in message
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Study history and culture more. You will find that most Americans are
speak
only American and follow American culture overall.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 'Islam Will Invade U.S. and Europe' - Muslim Brotherhood Leader (Must Read) |
11 May 2004 06:10:42 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:39 -0400, "snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote:
Muslims are immigrating to the west, which is not exactly the same as
invading. While it take two, three, or four generations, it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
This is blatantly untrue as we have seen in example of Tipton
Talibans.
Now, if you mean invading by an army crossing the ocean to land on western
soil, that is funny. The Islamic nations cannot even defeat Israel which is
in their backyard let alone invade the west. They lack equipment, arms,
armies, training, leadership, resources, technology, education,
manufacturing capabilities, and just about everything else that is needed to
land armies in the Western, let alone supply them in the field. The best
they could do is a suicide bombing or two or hijack another plane.
Eventually in the far future, with lots of help, with lots of time, and lots
of luck a group might be able to detonate a small nuke in the west or
America but that is not going to defeat anyone. It will just make the west
very, very mad.
They may not have weapons just yet but they through high birth rate
can be equally as pernicious as any other scourge. Give them time and
they will have all females bundled off in Burquas or Chaddors.
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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11 May 2004 11:54:52 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:39 -0400, "snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote:
it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
I-N-C-O-R-R-E-C-T ....
Don't run away. Tell us how you came to this conclusion.
LINK?
CITE?
Are you a LIAR?
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| User: "snudle" |
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12 May 2004 12:44:24 AM |
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History... Look at the America and Canada in particular. These are
immigrant nations, and most of the immigrants successfully adapted to the
west. How many revolutions or civil wars have you seen in these countries
lately? The immigrants of today might be having a bit of trouble, but in a
few generations they will blend right in just like immigrants from yester
year.
New immigrants settle in their own little towns, continue to speak their own
language, and practice their own culture, but history has shown that after a
few generations their children, grand children, great-grand children, and
great-great-grand children and each following generation finds it easier
fully adapt to the country as they slowly lose the old cultural practices.
The become English only speakers and they fully or most fully adapt to
western values. You will always find some exceptions to the true, but this
what history has proven.
Take my home town for example. Once it was a place filled with immigrants
with groups settling in certain parts of the city. You would have your
French quarter, your Finish quarter, German quarter, your English quarter,
and all your other various quarters with each speaking the language of the
country they left and printing their own newspapers in that same language
and people would rarely interact with others outside their particular
quarter. However, in the birth and death of a few generations they become
your average American citizen and these divisions disappear. You have to
look it in the long term.
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:39 -0400, "snudle" <mata@nmu.edu> wrote:
it has shown that
99.9% of immigrants fully adapt to the Western lifestyle no matter where
they are from.
I-N-C-O-R-R-E-C-T ....
Don't run away. Tell us how you came to this conclusion.
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Try this again...
History... Look at America and Canada in particular. These are immigrant
nations, and the immigrant families that have been here for several
generations have successfully adapted to the Western lifestyle and call
themselves Americans or Canadians. How many revolutions or civil wars have
you seen in these countries lately? The immigrants of today might be having
a bit of trouble right now, but in a few generations they will blend right
in just like the immigrants from yester year.
New immigrants settle in their own little towns and communities, continuing
to speak their own language and continue to practice their own culture from
the "old country". But history has shown that after a few generations their
children, grand children, great-grand children, and great-great-grand
children and each following generation finds it easier to fully adapt to the
Western lifestyle and they slowly lose the old cultural practices. Most if
fact become English only speakers and most fully adapt to Western values.
You will always find some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it
this is true and this is what history has proven.
Take my home town for example. Once it was a place filled with immigrants
from several different nations, and separate groups settled in their own
separate part of the city. You would have your French quarter, your Finish
quarter, German quarter, your English quarter, and all you're other various
quarters with each speaking the language of the country they left, printing
newspapers in that same language, and continuing to practicing their culture
from the "old country, and the people would rarely, if ever, interact with
others outside their particular quarter. However, after a few generations
the people in these quarters were your average American citizen and the
divisions disappeared for the most part. You just have to look at it in the
long term.
This, however, does not mean that their will be short term problems. There
always is, especialy for new imigrant families and the first generation born
within their new nation. Some cultures also have a little easer time
adapting than others do.
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11 May 2004 09:48:30 PM |
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over my cold dead lifeless body, as other dead muslims surround me
and the smell of burning flesh rises from their carcasses, i doubt it.
a nation of free Americans wont put up with that ***** either.
bring it.
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New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: America is Satan;
Islam Will Invade America and Europe
Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)
Februari 06 2004
New Muslim Brotherhood Leader: Resistance in Iraq and Palestine is
Legitimate; America is Satan; Islam Will Invade America and Europe
Following the recent death of Muslim Brotherhood movement leader
Mamoun Al-Hudhaybi, Muhammad Mahdi Othman 'Akef was appointed as his
successor. He has since given a number of interviews to the Arab
media. The following are excerpts from the interviews:
Martyrdom Operations are a Religious Obligation in Palestine and Iraq
In an interview with the Egyptian pro-Nasserite weekly Al-Arabi, 'Akef
spoke about suicide bombing operations: "The Muslim Brotherhood
movement condemns all bombings in the independent Arab and Muslim
countries. But the bombings in Palestine and Iraq are a [religious]
obligation. This is because these two countries are occupied
countries, and the occupier must be expelled in every way possible.
Thus, the [Muslim Brotherhood] movement supports martyrdom operations
in Palestine and Iraq in order to expel the Zionists and the
Americans."(1)
In an interview with the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood weekly Al-Sabil,
'Akef spoke about the Palestinian Intifada: "The Palestinian Intifada
gave life to a cause that was on its deathbed... In Palestine,
brothers are waging Jihad with weapons and resisting the occupiers. We
try as hard as we can to support the cause by publishing books,
convening forums, and [organizing] lectures aimed at raising awareness
regarding support for Palestine, which is our central cause. If the
gates of Jihad in Palestine open before the [Muslim] Brotherhood, we
will not hesitate a single moment, and we will be with them on the
battlefield."(2)
'Akef discussed Israeli civilian casualties resulting from Palestinian
operations in Israel, telling the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "In Israel,
there should be no [differentiation between] a civilian and a member
of the military. All are enemies of the Arab homeland and of Islam.
They are occupiers and have no right to one handsbreadth of the land
of Palestine...
"We should differentiate between Jews and Zionists. The Jews have
rights by virtue of their being the People of the Book [Ahl Al-Kitab,
according to Islam], provided they are not occupiers. With regard to
the Zionists, we will resist them with all our strength."(3)
Similarly, in his interview with the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi, 'Akef
was asked about "the statements of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin
regarding agreeing to the establishment of a Palestinian state in the
Gaza Strip and the [West] Bank." He responded: "... Despite the
principle of the [Muslim] Brotherhood everywhere in the world that the
Hebrew state does not have the [right] to exist on any of the land of
Palestine from the sea to the river ... if the Hamas leader's
statements refer to a temporary stage, only then do we support them.
But everyone knows that the Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to any
Jewish or Zionist existence in any of Palestine."(4)
On the situation in Iraq, 'Akef told the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil:
"We are opposed to the American occupation of Iraq. We call on the
occupation forces to withdraw from Iraq as rapidly as possible. We
call on the countries of the world to demand of the occupation forces
to withdraw from Iraq and leave it so that it will determine its fate
by itself."(5)
'Akef further told the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "Resistance is a
legitimate right against any occupation, and it is the Iraqi people
that will determine its forms, whether the [resistance] be
ideological, political, or military."(6)
America is 'Satan' and Will Soon Collapse
In response to a question by the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi on
"relations with the U.S," 'Akef said: "We have no relations with the
U.S. It is a Satan that abuses the region, lacking all morality and
law." 'Akef also denied any "secret dialogue between the Americans and
the [Muslim] Brotherhood," saying that this is "an unfounded lie."(7)
In response to a question by the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil about
"Washington's claims that it is acting to spread democracy in the Arab
world," 'Akef said: "These are [futile] words and false propaganda. It
is not logical that the U.S. - which destroyed Afghanistan, supports
Israel's daily ongoing aggression against the Palestinian people, and
occupies Iraq and steals its treasures - is acting to spread democracy
in the Arab world."(8)
In response to a question on the U.S.'s "current attack [forcing]
change in the school curriculum in some Islamic countries," 'Akef told
the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "These [demands to change the curriculum]
are the demands of the American tyranny under which we live. America
bears a tyrannous civilization with no logic, morality, values, or
even respect for the international institutions. These demands can be
understood in light of this tyranny, and due to the Arab and Muslim
governments' lack of maturity. I pray to Allah that these rulers will
awaken from their coma, in which they have been sunk since [the
signing of] the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel...
"We have expressed no willingness to enter into dialogue with America
as a country. Moreover, we refused everything it offered in the name
of democracy, human rights, education, and the war on terror. All
these words [about willingness to maintain a dialogue with the U.S.]
are not true. It is proven that they [i.e. the Americans] bring with
them nothing but tyranny. They fight enemies that they themselves
created in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in what they call the axis of
evil. We do not hold out our hand to dialogue with America; we oppose
it absolutely. Sufficient proof of this is the [American] policy
supporting the occupiers of Palestine, and also the [American] use of
the right of veto against every U.N. resolution that is meant to
support the Palestinians."(9)
'Akef also said that he expects the U.S. to collapse in the near
future. In response to the question, "How do the U.S.'s actions
following the occupation of Iraq, its attitude to the Palestinian
problem, its siege of Syria, and the recent turnaround in Libya affect
the Arab situation?" 'Akef told the independent Egyptian weekly
Nahdhat Misr, "The matter of America's attempt to take over the world
is not new. What is new is that it appears with such a grim face,
without morals, without principles, without law, and without
recognition of the need for the U.N. or the Security Council.
"The [American] tyranny is long known. In the past, they fought
secretly, and now they are fighting openly. There is no logic or law
in the world that agrees to their occupation of Iraq [and] before that
of Palestine, or to what is happening. Allah is helping Syria, which
found no savior. Had the Arab and Muslim countries been united,
America and Israel would not have been able to withstand them.
"I am certain that without the betrayal in Iraq, the Iraqis would have
tormented the Americans with all kinds of torments. The American
forces would not have remained [in Iraq]. I expect America to collapse
soon. The elements of this collapse in America [already] exist, and
Allah is the Savior."(10)
No Proof That Al-Qa'ida Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
In response to the question from the Saudi daily Al-Watan, "Don't you
think that the September [11, 2001] events are justification of
America's [activity] in Afghanistan?" 'Akef said: "This is a false
statement, because [America] has no proof. They held no fair trial for
those arrested on the charge of the September explosion. All they say
is a list of names whom they claim bear the responsibility for the
September events. If [the Americans] provided proof of the truth of
their version, I would fight together with the Americans and join
President Bush in this war."
Regarding the claim that "the Al-Qa'ida organization acknowledged
responsibility for these operations in the videocassettes aired on
several Arab television channels," 'Akef said: "I do not pay any
attention to these films, because they are part of the psychological
war between these people [Al-Qa'ida] and the American administration.
"These cassettes came in response to the American operations.
Washington must prove by trial that they [Al-Qa'ida] are the ones who
carried out the explosions in September."(11)
An Understanding with Egypt's Government is Welcome
In his interviews, 'Akef also discussed the question of the Muslim
Brotherhood's relationship and dialogue with the Egyptian government.
He told the London Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat: "There is rancor
between us [and the government], but it is they who are reviving this
rancor by handling the matter of the Muslim Brotherhood via the
security apparatuses.
"We have told them over and over that this matter must be [handled by]
the political apparatus. If the government wants to reach an
understanding with us, then this is a welcome thing. But we will not
force anyone to cooperate with us or talk with us."(12)
'Akef told the Jordanian weekly Al-Sabil: "Every national dialogue
without the Muslim Brotherhood is a dialogue doomed to failure,
because it is stillborn." On the Muslim Brotherhood's relations with
the other political forces in Egypt, he said: "We are ready to
cooperate with them while ignoring their ideological trends. As long
as the dialogue's aim is the interest of the homeland, we welcome
dialogue with the other."(13)
With regard to the movement's plans for the future, 'Akef told the
Nahdhat Misr weekly: "The first thing we want to deal with is the
subject of freedoms. This is what concerns us [now]. In the coming
period, the movement will increase its effort to engage in this
matter, because we think that providing freedom is one of the most
important steps on the way to realizing reform, as there are only
margins of democracy, which are weak, and we must expand them in order
to make more things possible.
"We do not think that it is possible to accomplish anything in the
area of [domestic] reform as long as there are laws such as the
emergency law and the great expropriation of freedoms in Egypt."(14)
Islam Will Invade Europe and America
Regarding the veil ban in France, the website http://www.alwihdah.com
reported that 'Akef said on the Muslim Brotherhood website: "Perhaps I
was among the first to express opposition to the statements by Chirac,
who described the Hijab [veil] as offensive in nature. I asked him to
understand that the Hijab is a divine commandment and that if he did
not know this then he should ask the Church. I know that among the
brothers in France, or the so-called Union of Islamic Organizations,
there are smart people who can stand against this vile stream in the
war on the Hijab, represented by the stream of Turkey and Tunisia.
With Allah's help, our brothers in France will be able to handle this
matter however they see fit."
On the question regarding the effect the veil ban will have on the
future of Islam in Europe, 'Akef said: "I have complete faith that
Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a
mission.
"The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out
of conviction. In 1993, I went to America and I published a book,
'Political Pluralism and the Woman,' that was distributed in the
mosque. Thirty [American] women converted immediately to Islam as soon
as they read it. These are people who become convinced of the right
path - but who will guide them there?"(15)
Endnotes: (1) Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (2) Al-Sabil
(Jordan), January 20, 2004. (3) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25,
2004. (4) Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (5) Al-Sabil(Jordan),
January 20, 2004. (6) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25, 2004. (7)
Al-Arabi (Egypt), January 18, 2004. (8) Al-Sabil (Jordan), January 20,
2004. (9) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25, 2004. (10) Nahdhat Misr
(Egypt), January 21, 2004 (11) Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), January 25,
2004. (12) Al-Hayat (London), January 16, 2004. (13) Al-Sabil
(Jordan), January 20, 2004. (14) Nahdhat Misr (Egypt), January 21,
2004. (15) http://www.alwihdah.com/view.asp?cat=3&id=50.
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