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Topic:	Politics > Politics-USA
User:	"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE"
Date:	01 Feb 2006 11:24:59 AM
Object:	It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman’s wife also removed for ‘Support the Troops’ shirt

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353
Republican congressman’s wife also removed for ‘Support the Troops’
shirt

NBC News and news services
Updated: 11:20 a.m. ET Feb. 1, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, mother of a fallen soldier in Iraq, wasn’t
the only one ejected from the House gallery during the State of the
Union address for wearing a T-shirt with a war-related slogan that
violated the rules. The wife of a powerful Republican congressman was
also asked to leave.
Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Florida — chairman of
the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee — was removed from the
gallery because she was wearing a T-shirt that read, “Support the
Troops — Defending Our Freedom.”
“Because she had on a shirt that someone didn’t like that said support
our troops, she was kicked out of this gallery,” Young said on the
House floor Wednesday morning, holding up the gray shirt.
“Shame, shame,” he scolded.
Mrs. Young was sitting about six rows from first lady Laura Bush and
asked to leave. She argued with police in the hallway outside the
House chamber.
“They said I was protesting,” she told the St. Petersburg Times. “I
said, ‘Read my shirt, it is not a protest.’ They said, ‘We consider
that a protest.’ I said, ‘Then you are an idiot.”’
They told her she was being treated the same as Sheehan, a protester
ejected before the speech Tuesday night for wearing a T-shirt with an
antiwar slogan. Sheehan wrote in her blog Wednesday that she intends
to file a First Amendment lawsuit.
(snip)
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User: ""
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 11:43:26 AM

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353

"They said I was protesting," she told the St. Petersburg Times. "I
said, 'Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider
that a protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot."'

They told her she was being treated the same as Sheehan, a protester
ejected before the speech Tuesday night for wearing a T-shirt with an
antiwar slogan. Sheehan wrote in her blog Wednesday that she intends
to file a First Amendment lawsuit.

Although I totally agree with her display of support for the troops,
it is always nice when a member of the "protected class" gets ripped
by one of their own. I expect to see more of this kind of thing,
like Bush's Enron buddies getting cut down for being law breakers. .
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User: "Number 9"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 11:37:22 AM

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353

Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops'
shirt

NBC News and news services
Updated: 11:20 a.m. ET Feb. 1, 2006

WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, mother of a fallen soldier in Iraq, wasn't
the only one ejected from the House gallery during the State of the
Union address for wearing a T-shirt with a war-related slogan that
violated the rules. The wife of a powerful Republican congressman was
also asked to leave.

Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Florida - chairman of
the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee - was removed from the
gallery because she was wearing a T-shirt that read, "Support the
Troops - Defending Our Freedom."

"Because she had on a shirt that someone didn't like that said support
our troops, she was kicked out of this gallery," Young said on the
House floor Wednesday morning, holding up the gray shirt.

"Shame, shame," he scolded.

Mrs. Young was sitting about six rows from first lady Laura Bush and
asked to leave. She argued with police in the hallway outside the
House chamber.

"They said I was protesting," she told the St. Petersburg Times. "I
said, 'Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider
that a protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot."'

They told her she was being treated the same as Sheehan,

So this woman was arrested, as well?

a protester
ejected before the speech Tuesday night for wearing a T-shirt with an
antiwar slogan. Sheehan wrote in her blog Wednesday that she intends
to file a First Amendment lawsuit.

(snip)

User: "OinkyDoinky"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 11:53:09 AM

"Number 9" <idontlikespam2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

Apparently the chickenshit pug didn't have the tits to get arrested.
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User: "See It Now!"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 12:16:04 PM

"Number 9" <idontlikespam2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

Why do you think Bush went AWOL to Nashville?
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User: "James Of Tucson"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:52:19 PM

So this woman was arrested, as well?

No, and if Sheehan is smart, she will force the District to press some
charge, insist on a jury at her hearing, and call Mrs. Young as a
witness. The court will have to explain why Sheehan is on trial and
Young is not, when they both committed the same crime, in the same
place, on the same day. No matter what explanation the court gives, it
will never pass equal protection muster.
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User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 05:19:17 PM

James Of Tucson wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

Wouldn't that be because Sheehan, you suppose, insisted that there be a
trial?

when they both committed the same crime, in the same
place, on the same day.

Wrong answer. Sheehan refused to leave or cover up the shirt. The other
woman left.

No matter what explanation the court gives, it
will never pass equal protection muster.

Of course it will. There is no rule that you can't get arrested for
something that someone else also did. He did it too isn't a viable
defence. If it was, murderers would use the OJ defence to get free.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Peter Principle petesfeats@CUT IT OUThotmail.com"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:01:30 PM

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Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Wrong answer. Sheehan refused to leave or cover up the shirt. The
other woman left.

Man, talk about WRONG! Tell me, have you always been an incredible imbecile
or have you recently suffered severe closed head trauma?
FYI, you fucking MORON, the VERY FIRST THING mentioned in the Bill of Rights
is, you stupid *****, FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Witness, ***** for brains:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-01-sheehan-charges_x.htm
Police apologize, drop charge against Sheehan
WASHINGTON (AP) - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct
against anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan Wednesday and offered apologies to
her as well as a congressman's wife after they were ejected from President
Bush's State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.
Captiol Police escort Sheehan from a House gallery before Tuesday's State
of the Union address.
Alison Shelley, AP
Police removed Sheehan and Beverly Young, the wife of Rep. C.W. "Bill"
Young, R-Fla., from the visitors gallery Tuesday night. Sheehan was taken
away in handcuffs before Bush's arrival at the Capitol and charged with a
misdemeanor, while Young was not arrested.
Capitol Police did not explain why Sheehan was arrested and Young was not.
However the unlawful conduct charge against Sheehan was being dropped,
according to Deputy House Sergeant of Arms Kerri Hanley. And in a private
meeting Wednesday, Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer apologized and
planned to issue a statement, Rep. Thomas told reporters.
"They were operating under the misguided impression that the T-shirt was not
allowed," Hanley said Wednesday. "The fact that she (Sheehan) was wearing a
T-shirt is not enough reason to be asked to leave the gallery, or be removed
from the gallery, or be arrested."
A foreign-born American citizen who was the guest of Rep. Alcee Hastings,
D-Fla., also was taken by police from the gallery just above the House
floor, Hastings said Wednesday.
The congressman met with Gainer and said he also requested a meeting with
House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., about the incident.
"I'd like to find out more information," Hastings said in an interview,
identifying the man only as being from Broward County in Florida. "He is a
constituent of mine. I invited him proudly."
Sheehan's T-shirt made reference to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq:
"2245 Dead. How many more?" Capitol Police charged her with a misdemeanor
for violating the District of Columbia's code against unlawful or disruptive
conduct on any part of the Capitol grounds, a law enforcement official said.
She was released from custody and flew home Wednesday to Los Angeles.
Young's shirt had just the opposite message: "Support the Troops - Defending
Our Freedom."
The two women appeared to have offended tradition as much as the law,
according to several law enforcement and congressional officials. By custom,
the annual address is to be a dignified affair in which the president
reports on the state of the nation. Guests in the gallery who wear shirts
deemed political in nature have, in past years, been asked to change or
cover them up.
Generally, the House's sergeant at arms sets out rules at the House
speaker's direction. The Capitol Police enforce them and the Secret Service
evaluates any threat to the president.
Rules dealing mainly with what people can bring and telling them to refrain
from reading, writing, smoking, eating, drinking, applauding or taking
photographs are outlined on the back of gallery passes given to tourists
every day.
However, State of the Union guests don't receive any guidelines, Hanley
said. "You would assume that if you were coming to an event like the State
of the Union address you would be dressed in appropriate attire," she said.
Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, had been invited to the
speech and given a ticket by Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif.
Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said police warned Sheehan that
displays such as her T-shirt were not allowed.
Sheehan said she had one arm out of her coat when an officer yelled,
"Protester." She said she intended to file a First Amendment lawsuit over
the episode.
Young was removed from the gallery during Bush's address and told she was
being treated the same as Sheehan.
Her husband was angry about the way she was treated.
"Because she had on a shirt that someone didn't like that said support our
troops, she was kicked out of this gallery," Young said on the House floor
Wednesday, holding up the gray shirt.
"Shame, shame," he scolded.
Mrs. Young was sitting about six rows from first lady Laura Bush when she
was asked to leave. She argued with police in the hallway outside the House
chamber.
"They said I was protesting," she told the St. Petersburg Times. "I said,
'Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider that a
protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot.'"
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User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:56:52 PM

Peter Principle wrote:

X-No-archive: yes
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Wrong answer. Sheehan refused to leave or cover up the shirt. The
other woman left.

The Bill of Rights doesn't say you can protest in the house chambers as
you see fit. I'm sorry but it doesn't mention it.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Peter Principle petesfeats@CUT IT OUThotmail.com"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 09:17:38 PM

X-No-archive: yes
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Peter Principle wrote:

Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Wrong answer. Sheehan refused to leave or cover up the shirt. The
other woman left.

The Bill of Rights doesn't say you can protest in the house chambers
as you see fit. I'm sorry but it doesn't mention it.

Uh huh. And what "protest", exactly, would that be? See, ***** for brains,
the cops themselves say you're entirely FOS and that they were operating
under a "misguided impression", just like your stupid fascist conservadolt
*****.
You are right, ***** for brains, that the 1st says nothing about protesting
in the House chamber, which, of course, is not what happened here, anyway.
What it DOES mention, ***** for brains, is...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Now, ***** for brains, perhaps YOU'D like to cite whatever law it is your
stupid ***** thinks allows the obvious abridging of free speech in direct
violation of the Constitution and in light of THE POLICE THEMSELVES saying
there is no such law, it was all a big mistake and they sincerely apologize.
Let's see that cite, lying ***** GOPrick. In the meantime, moron, have a
little dose of FACT with your stupid ***** *****:
------
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-01-sheehan-charges_x.htm
Police apologize, drop charge against Sheehan
WASHINGTON (AP) - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct
against anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan Wednesday and offered apologies to
her as well as a congressman's wife after they were ejected from President
Bush's State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.
....
Capitol Police did not explain why Sheehan was arrested and Young was not.
However the unlawful conduct charge against Sheehan was being dropped,
according to Deputy House Sergeant of Arms Kerri Hanley. And in a private
meeting Wednesday, Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer apologized and
planned to issue a statement, Rep. Thomas told reporters.
"They were operating under the misguided impression that the T-shirt was not
allowed," Hanley said Wednesday. "The fact that she (Sheehan) was wearing a
T-shirt is not enough reason to be asked to leave the gallery, or be removed
from the gallery, or be arrested."
Now, moron, let's see your detailed analysis of why they're wrong. Don't
forget to iclude the cite to the the law your stupid ***** has imagined
somehow prohibits T-shirts.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 02:54:03 PM

Not arrested, just escorted out.
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User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 02:37:03 PM

Number 9 wrote:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

The salient difference is that this woman expressed her view, "Then you
are an idiot", and then left. Sheehan, as is her usual MO, insisted on
staying until they finally had to arrest her to remove her.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Jericho"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 03:56:18 PM

<Bonde>The salient difference is that this woman expressed her view,
"Then you

are an idiot", and then left. Sheehan, as is her usual MO, insisted on
staying until they finally had to arrest her to remove her.

I've ready numerous articles on this and I don't see anything that says
that she was given any choice in the matter. The sequence of events
seem to be a)she removed her jacket because she was hot, b)security
noticed her, yelled 'protester' and rushed her out of the gallery,
c)put handcuffs on her in the elevator, d)stopped treating her roughly
as soon as they learned who she was. Where did you hear your version,
Rush? O'Reilly?
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:08:45 PM

Jericho wrote:

<Bonde>The salient difference is that this woman expressed her view,
"Then you

are an idiot", and then left. Sheehan, as is her usual MO, insisted on
staying until they finally had to arrest her to remove her.

I've ready numerous articles on this and I don't see anything that says
that she was given any choice in the matter.

Sheehan? She could've left at any time.

The sequence of events
seem to be a)she removed her jacket because she was hot, b)security
noticed her, yelled 'protester' and rushed her out of the gallery,
c)put handcuffs on her in the elevator, d)stopped treating her roughly
as soon as they learned who she was. Where did you hear your version,
Rush? O'Reilly?

Any time someone disagrees with a Liberal around here, they must have
got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Jericho"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:17:33 PM

<Bonde>Sheehan? She could've left at any time.
Well, she could have left before she took off her jacket, yeah, but the
minute she took off her jacket, she was grabbed and forced out, half an
hour before the speech was to begin. I haven't heard any mention of
anyone asking her to put her jacket back on, have you?
<Bonde>Any time someone disagrees with a Liberal around here, they must

have got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie. If you don't
listen to either one, good for you. Now answer the question, 'Where
did you get your version?'

"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"

Another parental bully and *****. If anyone disagrees, why is it that
the father doesn't want the child to have his own identity?
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:28:16 PM

Jericho wrote:

<Bonde>Sheehan? She could've left at any time.

Well, she could have left before she took off her jacket, yeah, but the
minute she took off her jacket, she was grabbed and forced out, half an
hour before the speech was to begin. I haven't heard any mention of
anyone asking her to put her jacket back on, have you?

A half a second with news.google, the first article I read, says:
http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.
She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote

<Bonde>Any time someone disagrees with a Liberal around here, they must

have got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie.

It's not my fault that you think the truth is a lie.

If you don't
listen to either one, good for you. Now answer the question, 'Where
did you get your version?'

It's what I've heard on the news. I gave you a cite above.

Another parental bully and *****. If anyone disagrees, why is it that
the father doesn't want the child to have his own identity?

I think the child is fairly young and the father wants him to use the
name he gave him. Whether the father is right or not isn't really the
point of the quote. The quote comes from a novel about a black man who
owned slaves.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 07:09:00 PM

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1369C.28CEA484@Il.Postino.it...

Well, she could have left before she took off her jacket, yeah, but the
minute she took off her jacket, she was grabbed and forced out, half an
hour before the speech was to begin. I haven't heard any mention of
anyone asking her to put her jacket back on, have you?

A half a second with news.google, the first article I read, says:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.

She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote

Gee, Bonzo. Did YOU read the article? It doesn't support your claim that
she was asked to leave and refused to do so.
Damn, you're stupid.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie.

It's not my fault that you think the truth is a lie.

The truth is the truth. You haven't told the truth - you have lied.
Why do you lie so much, Bonzo? Don't you have any values?

If you don't
listen to either one, good for you. Now answer the question, 'Where
did you get your version?'

It's what I've heard on the news. I gave you a cite above.

The cite above doesn't support your claim.
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:55:50 PM

Joseph Welch wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1369C.28CEA484@Il.Postino.it...

A half a second with news.google, the first article I read, says:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.

She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote

Gee, Bonzo. Did YOU read the article? It doesn't support your claim that
she was asked to leave and refused to do so.

Read the quote again:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.

She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote

She refused to take off the shirt or cover it up. Says it right above.
So they covered her and stuffed her.

Damn, you're stupid.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie.

It's not my fault that you think the truth is a lie.

The truth is the truth. You haven't told the truth - you have lied.

What's the "lie" supposed to be?

Why do you lie so much, Bonzo? Don't you have any values?

I haven't told any lies.

If you don't
listen to either one, good for you. Now answer the question, 'Where
did you get your version?'

It's what I've heard on the news. I gave you a cite above.

The cite above doesn't support your claim.

Of course it does.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Jericho"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:40:00 PM

have got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie.

It's not my fault that you think the truth is a lie.

It's not my fault that Rush or O'Reilly lie constantly. Seems that we
have two versions of the story. How is it that you know that your
version is the truth? I've seen alot more articles with my version
than yours, so if nothing else, more journalists are reporting mine
than yours. Oh, and I just heard that all charges have been dropped.
Take that for what you will.

It's what I've heard on the news. I gave you a cite above.

Got it. Pretty short article. Not alot of facts or corroborating
evidence.

When is a person old enough to have their own identity. What is the
point of the quote? If the father is the black man who owned slaves,
it seems that he wants the son to be one of his slaves. I stand by my
original description of 'bully and *****.'
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 05:17:03 PM

Jericho wrote:

have got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

Not at all, only when the statement is an obvious lie.

It's not my fault that you think the truth is a lie.

It's not my fault that Rush or O'Reilly lie constantly. Seems that we

Since I don't listen to either one of them, why do you keep bringing
them up?

have two versions of the story. How is it that you know that your
version is the truth?

It's the only version I've heard. I wasn't there. I doubt that the
police wanted to arrest Cindy. Most police, I'm sure, would just prefer
it if she'd leave town, better yet, leave the country.

I've seen alot more articles with my version
than yours, so if nothing else, more journalists are reporting mine
than yours.

Have you provided a cite for your version of events? You claimed I was
lying, so I found in agreement with me the very first article on
news.google.com that I read. That seems like it is likely the canonical
explanation of events, don't you think?

Oh, and I just heard that all charges have been dropped.
Take that for what you will.

I expect that they would be. She wouldn't leave so they arrested her to
get her out of the area.

It's what I've heard on the news. I gave you a cite above.

Got it. Pretty short article. Not alot of facts or corroborating
evidence.

Post what you got.

When is a person old enough to have their own identity. What is the
point of the quote?

I think it's funny that someone would insist that their son's name is
not James but Jim. I know of a person who insists on being called James.

If the father is the black man who owned slaves,
it seems that he wants the son to be one of his slaves. I stand by my
original description of 'bully and *****.'

The book has so many characters, I can't remember which is which any
more.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 07:09:37 PM

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1420D.B69636A5@Il.Postino.it...

have two versions of the story. How is it that you know that your
version is the truth?

It's the only version I've heard.

Heard WHERE? The cite you provided doesn't support your claim - at all.
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:08:04 PM

Joseph Welch wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1420D.B69636A5@Il.Postino.it...

have two versions of the story. How is it that you know that your
version is the truth?

It's the only version I've heard.

Heard WHERE? The cite you provided doesn't support your claim - at all.

I provided a working URL and a quote which exactly backs up what I said.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: ""
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	02 Feb 2006 02:57:53 PM

Since I don't listen to either one of them (rush or oreilly), why do you keep
bringing them up?

Just finished the flow of conversation. Calm down, I won't mention
them again.

It's the only version I've heard. I wasn't there.

I honestly didn't think that you were there. I've read a few articles
that were posted here, heard Sheehan say she was never asked to cover
up on the Randi Rhodes show, and read Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly
Schneider say that she didn't cover up when asked. Being that the
charges were dropped and apologies were given, I believe Sheehan's
version.

This is the first time anyones asked me. Here's what I'm finding with
a search of more that 'the first one I find" (and I read several
articles that were posted here.)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-31-sheehan-arrested_x.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/01/MNG72H13HK12.DTL&feed=rss.news
http://www.nbc11.com/politics/6649242/detail.html
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060201/ap/d8fgd8k0f.html
Now, I regret mentioning what I thought your source was because you've
obviousely taken offense to it, but I never said that you lied. I said
that I bring up <names deleted> only when the statement is an obvious
lie. Using Shrubs rules of argument, I never said that your statement
was a lie, only that information from <names deleted> are lies. It
sounded like you got your information from a disreputable source, since
the serveral articles and eyewitness statement I had heard never said
anything about Sheehan being given any chance. That is what I
commented on.

I think it's funny that someone would insist that their son's name is
not James but Jim. I know of a person who insists on being called James.

People can insist that they're name is one thing or another. My
sister's name is Jenny, not Jennifer, her birth certificate says so and
she prefers it that way. But to say, 'your name is <blank> because I
said so' is cruel and uncaring for the other person's opinion.
.

User: "Peter Principle petesfeats@CUT IT OUThotmail.com"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 07:57:49 PM

X-No-archive: yes
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

It's the only version I've heard. I wasn't there. I doubt that the
police wanted to arrest Cindy. Most police, I'm sure, would just
prefer it if she'd leave town, better yet, leave the country.

Congratulations, you stupid *****. You are every bit as right as usual.
Witness, you incredible imbecile:
------
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-01-sheehan-charges_x.htm
Police apologize, drop charge against Sheehan
WASHINGTON (AP) - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct
against anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan Wednesday and offered apologies to
her as well as a congressman's wife after they were ejected from President
Bush's State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.
....
Capitol Police did not explain why Sheehan was arrested and Young was not.
However the unlawful conduct charge against Sheehan was being dropped,
according to Deputy House Sergeant of Arms Kerri Hanley. And in a private
meeting Wednesday, Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer apologized and
planned to issue a statement, Rep. Thomas told reporters.
"They were operating under the misguided impression that the T-shirt was not
allowed," Hanley said Wednesday. "The fact that she (Sheehan) was wearing a
T-shirt is not enough reason to be asked to leave the gallery, or be removed
from the gallery, or be arrested."
------
See, moron, there's this little addendum to the Constitution called the Bill
of Rights. Now, moron, guess what is the VERY FIRST THING mentioned in the
BoR? Take your time, moron. We'll wait...
Clear enough, you stupid *****, or shall we tattoo it backwards across
your sloping brow for easy future reference?
Sheesh, what a fucking MAROON!
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
ABSTRACT:
....the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on
tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th
percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
------
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 07:07:17 PM

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1320F.2896D4DA@Il.Postino.it...

I've ready numerous articles on this and I don't see anything that says
that she was given any choice in the matter.

Sheehan? She could've left at any time.

She was never ASKED to leave you fucking moron.

Any time someone disagrees with a Liberal around here, they must have
got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

O.K.
So where did you get your info, Bonzo?
Just making ***** up again?
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:10:29 PM

Joseph Welch wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E1320F.2896D4DA@Il.Postino.it...

I've ready numerous articles on this and I don't see anything that says
that she was given any choice in the matter.

Sheehan? She could've left at any time.

She was never ASKED to leave you fucking moron.

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.
She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote
You lose again.

Any time someone disagrees with a Liberal around here, they must have
got their view from Rush or O'Reilly. I don't listen to either one.

O.K.

So where did you get your info, Bonzo?

Just making ***** up again?

I don't make things up, you clot.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "Joseph Welch"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removed for 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 07:06:14 PM

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E11C80.A6CB021E@Il.Postino.it...

False.
Why do you lie so much, Bonzo?
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 08:11:28 PM

Joseph Welch wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')" <Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote in
message news:43E11C80.A6CB021E@Il.Postino.it...

False.

Why do you lie so much, Bonzo?

What's the lie?:
http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4440866&nav=15MV
#begin quote
Right before the President's State of the Union Speech, peace activist
Cindy Sheehan was arrested by Capitol Police.
She was escorted from the Visitors' Galley above the House Chamber after
she refused to take off or cover a t-shirt that read "2,245 - How many
more?"
#end quote
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

User: "John Starrett"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife also removedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 03:54:54 PM

Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Number 9 wrote:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

The salient difference is that this woman expressed her view, "Then you
are an idiot", and then left.

If anyone but a Senator's wife, or someone else with access to power had
said "then you're an idiot" to the Capitol Police, they would likely
have been arrested. The woman obviously has no experience with law
enforcement from the level of powerlessness.
--
John Starrett
.

User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria"
Title: Re: It wasn't just sheehan - Republican congressman's wife alsoremovedfor 'Support the Troops' shirt	01 Feb 2006 04:07:11 PM

John Starrett wrote:

Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:

Number 9 wrote:

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

So this woman was arrested, as well?

The salient difference is that this woman expressed her view, "Then you
are an idiot", and then left.

If you've ever watched "COPS", you'll see that the police actually put
up with a lot of crap.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
.

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