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"American Patriot" |
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19 May 2007 08:34:23 AM |
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It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
21 May 2007 10:50:19 AM |
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"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179581663.387221.299790@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
No, its about CRIMINALS.
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
No, its about CRIMINALS.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
That's because MOST of them ARE CRIMINALS.
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| User: "Whipping" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 02:09:09 PM |
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Another disguised wetback criminal......
"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179581663.387221.299790@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 03:33:29 PM |
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On May 19, 5:34 am, American Patriot <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A CROCK OF MEXICAN CRAP!
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All illegal immigrants are CRIMINALS and they only have one single
right; That is to be kicked out of the USA as soon as possible!
Mexicans are INVADERS and we should end all illegal AND legal
immigration from Mexico. We should bring our troops home from Iraq
and put them on the Mexican border with shoot to kill orders for any
illegals trying to invade the USA. Mexico and Israel are America's
enemies, not Iraq, Syria, or North Korea. Israel is controlling our
politicians and and sucking us dry economically. Mexico is invading
us. All illegals must be expelled, never given amnesty. Illegal
immigration is destroying America and we need to fight back with real
bullets, not with amnesty and political correctness, which equals
national suicide!
IB
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| User: "ekrubmeg" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 09:48:10 AM |
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On May 19, 6:34 am, American Patriot <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
To start off with, they are criminals. If you break the law you are
a criminal. What part of that don't you understand?
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| User: "Kitty" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 11:10:21 AM |
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"ekrubmeg" <ekrubmeg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179586090.906218.296670@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 19, 6:34 am, American Patriot <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
To start off with, they are criminals. If you break the law you are
a criminal. What part of that don't you understand?
Its ignorant--what do you expect from a bleeding heart? No brain--its
already programmed,,,,,,,,,,,,
kitty
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| User: "Steely from Yokohama" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 01:33:35 PM |
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On 19 May 2007 07:48:10 -0700, ekrubmeg <ekrubmeg@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 19, 6:34 am, American Patriot <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
To start off with, they are criminals. If you break the law you are
a criminal. What part of that don't you understand?
The part that doesn't get him his racist desires?
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| User: "American Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 10:22:51 AM |
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On May 19, 7:48 am, ekrubmeg <ekrub...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 19, 6:34 am, American Patriot <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans
The Bigots have lied to you by spinning the undocumented
Mexican issue. It is not "Conservative vs Liberal", but
is a basic human rights issue.
Mexicans are harassed mercilessly non stop, they are
kept from the basics elements that any other person
would be allowed to. Those same fringe Klan types, like
the Trancredos, specifically target Mexicans.
They also target "Hispanic" home grown citizens of the
USofA, they target the USofA Hispanic culture. They
Cannot get away with outright murder (not always) like
the Bigots did before, but they attack in other ways.
This has got to stop, the treatment of Mexicans in this
country is criminal.
American Patriot/Kcajyer
To start off with, they are criminals.
It's a misdemeanor not a felony to enter the USofA
without documents. Misdemeanor does not a criminal
make, otherwise 100% of the USofA would be behind
bars serving time, including yourself (that is if
you're not already there :(
American Patriot/Kcajyer
If you break the law you are
a criminal. What part of that don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "Xeno Chauvin" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 07:35:40 PM |
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"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179588171.861528.54720@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
It's a misdemeanor not a felony to enter the USofA
without documents.
The second illegal entry IS a felony and most of
the trash has entered three or four times.
IT IS a felony to conspire to commit ANY type of offense
even a misdemeanor.
When they send money back to Pileocaca for cousin
Humberto or Maria to come here, that's CONSPIRACY.
Your flawed reasoning that "everyone" has committed a misdemeanor
would negate EVERY law on the books.
GROW UP!
Xeno
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| User: "Graphic Queen" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 09:03:01 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 19:35:40 -0500, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179588171.861528.54720@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
It's a misdemeanor not a felony to enter the USofA
without documents.
The second illegal entry IS a felony and most of
the trash has entered three or four times.
IT IS a felony to conspire to commit ANY type of offense
even a misdemeanor.
It is only a felony if they had been deported, not by going back home
on their own.
When they send money back to Pileocaca for cousin
Humberto or Maria to come here, that's CONSPIRACY.
Your flawed reasoning that "everyone" has committed a misdemeanor
would negate EVERY law on the books.
GROW UP!
Xeno
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2007 09:11:38 PM |
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Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 19:35:40 -0500, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179588171.861528.54720@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
It's a misdemeanor not a felony to enter the USofA
without documents.
The second illegal entry IS a felony and most of
the trash has entered three or four times.
IT IS a felony to conspire to commit ANY type of offense
even a misdemeanor.
It is only a felony if they had been deported, not by going back home
on their own.
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
When they send money back to Pileocaca for cousin
Humberto or Maria to come here, that's CONSPIRACY.
Your flawed reasoning that "everyone" has committed a misdemeanor
would negate EVERY law on the books.
GROW UP!
Xeno
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
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| User: "Graphic Queen" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
19 May 2007 11:25:09 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 19:35:40 -0500, "Xeno Chauvin"
<arfulbrank@houston.rr.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179588171.861528.54720@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
It's a misdemeanor not a felony to enter the USofA
without documents.
The second illegal entry IS a felony and most of
the trash has entered three or four times.
IT IS a felony to conspire to commit ANY type of offense
even a misdemeanor.
It is only a felony if they had been deported, not by going back home
on their own.
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
I agree.
Will this felony be forgiven?
It will if the pro-illegal lobby gets their way.
When they send money back to Pileocaca for cousin
Humberto or Maria to come here, that's CONSPIRACY.
Your flawed reasoning that "everyone" has committed a misdemeanor
would negate EVERY law on the books.
GROW UP!
Xeno
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
20 May 2007 11:24:38 AM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
WB Yeats
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| User: "Fred G. Mackey" |
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20 May 2007 02:25:14 PM |
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wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
WB Yeats
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| User: "strabo" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumentedMexicans |
20 May 2007 04:58:01 PM |
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Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
WB Yeats
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| User: "Fred G. Mackey" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumentedMexicans |
20 May 2007 05:15:02 PM |
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strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumentedMexicans |
20 May 2007 05:43:20 PM |
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Fred G. Mackey wrote:
strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
The Social Security Administration could pin point most of the illegal
aliens, but it is not allowed to share information for privacy purposes.
That is the privacy of illegal aliens.
With the right president in office, all the illegal aliens could be
removed from this country, or forced to self deport.
That president will be Tom Tancredo.
It just amazes me that 400 people could be using my social security
number, and the SSA won't tell me.
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
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| User: "Graphic Queen" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumented Mexicans |
20 May 2007 07:12:30 PM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:20 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
Johnny, just ignore the asswipe because he is purposely ignorant. Let
him stew in his illegal loving self.
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| User: "strabo" |
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| Title: Re: It's Human Rights Not "Conservative vs Liberal"=undocumentedMexicans |
20 May 2007 09:27:14 PM |
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johnny@. wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS
Number and name.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that
person and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
The Social Security Administration could pin point most of the illegal
aliens, but it is not allowed to share information for privacy purposes.
That is the privacy of illegal aliens.
With the right president in office, all the illegal aliens could be
removed from this country, or forced to self deport.
That president will be Tom Tancredo.
It just amazes me that 400 people could be using my social security
number, and the SSA won't tell me.
You can bet your ***** that thousands of people have access to your files.
'Law enforcement' and 'other parties' are exempted in every act
and law. You need an inside contact or a cop with access OR someone
in debt collections. Debt collectors have extraordinary access these
days.
Look on the bright side - 400 may be also paying into your account.
As for credit cards and the like, that's a bad situation. You already
know that. People need to understand that all their private info is
intentionally being compromised. One purpose is for profit. The other
is to create a a dossier on everyone.
The loss of privacy will eventually lead to such chaos and concern that
a 'solution' will be offered to create a 'safe' national ID under the
auspices of 'security' and 'universal health care'. The proverbial
carrot and stick.
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20 May 2007 09:36:07 PM |
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strabo wrote:
johnny@. wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS
Number and name.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info
by the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that
person and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
The Social Security Administration could pin point most of the illegal
aliens, but it is not allowed to share information for privacy
purposes. That is the privacy of illegal aliens.
With the right president in office, all the illegal aliens could be
removed from this country, or forced to self deport.
That president will be Tom Tancredo.
It just amazes me that 400 people could be using my social security
number, and the SSA won't tell me.
You can bet your ***** that thousands of people have access to your files.
'Law enforcement' and 'other parties' are exempted in every act
and law. You need an inside contact or a cop with access OR someone
in debt collections. Debt collectors have extraordinary access these
days.
Look on the bright side - 400 may be also paying into your account.
But that doesn't happen. The SSA knows which account is legal, because
of the length of time it has been in existence. When someone starts
using your number in another part of the United States, and they see you
are still in your home state, they keep the accounts separate, and never
tell you. One woman had over three hundred people using her social
security number, and the SSA never told her.
As for credit cards and the like, that's a bad situation. You already
know that. People need to understand that all their private info is
intentionally being compromised. One purpose is for profit. The other
is to create a a dossier on everyone.
The loss of privacy will eventually lead to such chaos and concern that
a 'solution' will be offered to create a 'safe' national ID under the
auspices of 'security' and 'universal health care'. The proverbial
carrot and stick.
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20 May 2007 09:09:38 PM |
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Fred G. Mackey wrote:
strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
Is checking the name, residence and SSN prying too deep for you?
Such checks are required for some jobs and standard for any
responsible employer.
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
The SSA is required to verify SSNs with employers.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Except for the driver's license and residence info.
Of course the perp could steal their picture and their height, weight
and age. And get reconstruction surgery to fit the description. And
learn American English and culture.
C'mon. Any employer who wants to confirm an identity can do so
with little effort. We need to make it too expensive for them
to do otherwise.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
All that I've cited is verifiable.
Any employer can copy a state driver's license and have it verified.
Name, address, SSN, picture, physical description, tickets and
convictions - they're all there. And then call for a criminal check.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
The default in this issue is the defense of borders, law and
property, not the defense of those who defy them.
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
No I didn't miss it or the many excuses you post to mislead people.
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
I also know that. Its much easier to get citizens to do their job.
If they did it wouldn't matter what government tried.
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20 May 2007 09:57:53 PM |
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strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
Is checking the name, residence and SSN prying too deep for you?
Employers must accept documents that appear to be valid as valid. They
can check the SSN and name through the Basic Pilot program, but that -
as you should know - is meaningless.
A driver's license or state identification card is also easily obtained
through fraudulent means. It is one of 29 documents listed by the
gov't. as being acceptable for an I-9 form.
The employer cannot specify which forms of eligible documentation must
be presented. To do so would violate federal law.
Such checks are required for some jobs and standard for any
responsible employer.
The federal government specifies which documents are acceptable.
Employers must accept documents which appear to be valid at face value.
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS
Number and name.
The SSA is required to verify SSNs with employers.
Basic Pilot is a voluntary program. If you're unfamiliar with it, you
should educate yourself about it and with its inherent flaws.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that
person and that is that.
Except for the driver's license and residence info.
A driver's license is one of several acceptable forms of ID that is
acceptable. An employer cannot require that a driver's license be
presented for employment. To do so would be a violation of the
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
But it is probably the most common form of ID presented. That's because
it is so easy to obtain one fraudulently.
Of course the perp could steal their picture and their height, weight
and age.
There's no need. They go down to the DMV and get a license or a state
ID using fraudulent documents.
And get reconstruction surgery to fit the description. And
learn American English and culture.
C'mon. Any employer who wants to confirm an identity can do so
with little effort. We need to make it too expensive for them
to do otherwise.
You're obviously not familiar with the law. There is only so much they
are allowed to do to verify eligibility without subjecting themselves to
huge fines from the federal gov't. Also, failure to comply with I9
requirements can result in similarly large fines.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
All that I've cited is verifiable.
Actually, you've said nothing that is verifiable. I suggest you educate
yourself.
Any employer can copy a state driver's license and have it verified.
Only IF that is the form of ID that the applicant chooses to present.
Name, address, SSN, picture, physical description, tickets and
convictions - they're all there. And then call for a criminal check.
What is that going to prove?
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
The default in this issue is the defense of borders, law and
property, not the defense of those who defy them.
So you say....
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
No I didn't miss it or the many excuses you post to mislead people.
Sorry, but I want the truth to be known so that we can reform the
system. This is a failure of gov't, not employers who legitimately wish
to comply with the law.
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
I also know that. Its much easier to get citizens to do their job.
Even when they do, it's still possible for illegal aliens to get jobs.
If they did it wouldn't matter what government tried.
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20 May 2007 07:11:04 PM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 15:15:02 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
strabo wrote:
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of
being asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Lock them up in some cases and deport them in the other cases.
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain.
How are businesses supposed to identify illegal aliens?
The feds have businesses by the balls. Its known as a
FEDERAL TAX ID. Every business of size has one. It connects
the IRS with each business so the feds know the business revenue.
Similarly, the feds also have most Americans by the balls. Its known
as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Then there are these things known as TELEPHONES. They enable
people to speak to one another over vast distances.
It only takes two calls to verify.
1. The county of claimed residence. Verify residence, driver's
license (with picture), criminal record...get the idea?
You don't know that businesses which pry too deeply into their
applicants backgrounds can be fined by the federal gov't?
2. The Social Security Administration will be happy to verify
a SS number, name and address.
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
And the program does not work and probably won't ever really work
since people like you want illegals.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
You are the one who is quite ignorant and uneducated concerning
illegals.
Or do you have an ulterior motive?
We need the gov't to go after SSNs which are used in multiple states.
Hmm - you missed that point, didn't you?
While legit businesses can do everything they legally can to prevent
illegal aliens from being hired, they will still be hired.
OTOH, the IRS gets tax forms from these employers every year and they
can see that a certain SSN is being used in 8 different states for 25
different jobs.
It's the gov't. that's not doing what they can and should do.
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20 May 2007 07:46:56 PM |
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Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 15:15:02 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
And the program does not work and probably won't ever really work
since people like you want illegals.
It doesn't work because it only verifies that a SSN matches a name.
What have I said that makes you think I want illegals?
I don't even want all the legal aliens that we have in this country.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
You are the one who is quite ignorant and uneducated concerning
illegals.
Sorry, but I'm sure I know much more about it than you're capable of -
even if you wanted to learn.
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20 May 2007 10:21:09 PM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:46:56 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 15:15:02 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
And the program does not work and probably won't ever really work
since people like you want illegals.
It doesn't work because it only verifies that a SSN matches a name.
What have I said that makes you think I want illegals?
The fact that you keep asking silly questions over and over, etc. Like
I told you in the other post, go ahead and ask your silly questions to
others who are willing to put up with your idiocy.
I don't even want all the legal aliens that we have in this country.
That's all they do - All the illegal alien has to do is get someone's
SSN and name. They do it all the time. An employer runs this info by
the federal gov't., the gov't says yep - that SSN belongs to that person
and that is that.
Anyone who cannot make this verification is too stupid to
be in business, and anyone who who cannot be identified
SHOULD NOT BE HIRED.
You're too ignorant to be speaking about this. Study up on the issue
before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.
You are the one who is quite ignorant and uneducated concerning
illegals.
Sorry, but I'm sure I know much more about it than you're capable of -
even if you wanted to learn.
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20 May 2007 11:13:31 PM |
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Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:46:56 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 15:15:02 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" <do@not.spam>
wrote:
Right - you know what the Basic Pilot program is?
It's a voluntary program in which the government will verify a SS Number
and name.
And the program does not work and probably won't ever really work
since people like you want illegals.
It doesn't work because it only verifies that a SSN matches a name.
What have I said that makes you think I want illegals?
The fact that you keep asking silly questions over and over, etc.
They're not silly. You're making inane claims that we can identify
illegal aliens and finally coughed up the information that you asked
them or listened in on their conversations.
Guess what, taquita? Those are viable methods of identifying illegals,
especially if bounties are offered.
Like
I told you in the other post, go ahead and ask your silly questions to
others who are willing to put up with your idiocy.
Right. When reason and logic fail, make ad hominem attacks.
Why don't you educate yourself about immigration policy instead of
attacking people on usenet?
Oh, sorry, that's another "silly question", isn't it?
You don't give a rats ***** about this country or the illegal aliens who
are causing so many problems for us.
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21 May 2007 10:58:22 AM |
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wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
Here in the States, we neither have, nor want, Pure Capitalism.
We don't have, nor want, Pure Democracy.
Rather, we have a Constitutional Republic where the will of the majority
of the People is moderated by the restraints of the Constitution, which
also restrains the power of the Federal Government and the governments
of the several States.
In the same way that the Constitution restrains and moderates Democracy,
we have laws which restrain the vicissitudes of Pure Capitalism. This is
done to prevent monopoly, abuse, and exploitation beyond the limits of
human dignity.
Illegal aliens, and their unscrupulous employers, undermine all of that.
We just won't stand for watching our rights and gains eroded.
--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
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20 May 2007 04:20:40 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
"Pure capitalism"? To break the law; to usurp the sovereignty
of a nation is capitalism?
No, it is not "we" who create the problem. It is a relative few
politicians, bureaucrats, activists and employers.
What to do?
1. Stop employers from employing illegal aliens. Hiring lawbreakers
is aiding and abetting criminals in the act.
2. Vote against ALL incumbents or suspect politicians.
3. Squelch the activists. Expose them for their acts and intentions.
4. See that bureaucrats are fired. They are also aiding and
abetting.
5. Identify and turn in ALL aliens.
Are you an *open borders* fan?
Have you thought it through? Do you realize what would result
from 'open borders'?
- Open borders means no border.
- No border means no nation.
- No nation means that there is no way to devise, maintain and
enforce law.
- No law means every man for himself. No privacy, no property,
no law and no culture.
- Within several generations anything will go and real wars begin,
not the petty police actions you are used to.
To minimize conflict is the basis for common law.
To minimize conflict is why fences were invented.
To minimize conflict is why borders were defined.
For Americans, to eliminate borders will also eliminate your free
choice of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and property.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any stable culture and society
which has not defined and enforced its territory.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any mammal which does not
define and enforce a territory.
WB Yeats
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20 May 2007 06:19:36 PM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:20:40 -0400, strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
"Pure capitalism"? To break the law; to usurp the sovereignty
of a nation is capitalism?
Sort of like Bush is doing in Iraq? Or sort of like Bush is doing
domestically. I guess you don't recognize sarcasm even if it bites you
in the *****.
No, it is not "we" who create the problem. It is a relative few
politicians, bureaucrats, activists and employers.
Bull. It's every business or individual who hire w/o proper
documentation. It's ***** poor living conditions in their native
countries and folks who are looking for something better for both them
and their families. It's the economic inequities between the US and
its Southern neighbors. I'm not making a value judgement on the rights
and wrongs for the reasons - just the reasons themselves.
What to do?
1. Stop employers from employing illegal aliens. Hiring lawbreakers
is aiding and abetting criminals in the act.
2. Vote against ALL incumbents or suspect politicians.
3. Squelch the activists. Expose them for their acts and intentions.
4. See that bureaucrats are fired. They are also aiding and
abetting.
5. Identify and turn in ALL aliens.
No - what to do is to have an immigration policy which both secures
the borders and allows the necessary workers in as citizens on
documented worker cards. Of course if there's no enforcement then
everything goes to hell - much as now.
Are you an *open borders* fan?
Have you thought it through? Do you realize what would result
from 'open borders'? Open borders means no border. No border means no nation.
No nation means that there is no way to devise, maintain and
enforce law. No law means every man for himself. No privacy, no property,
no law and no culture. Within several generations anything will go and real wars begin,
not the petty police actions you are used to. To minimize conflict is the basis for common law.
To minimize conflict is why fences were invented. To minimize conflict is why borders were defined.
For Americans, to eliminate borders will also eliminate your free choice of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and property.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any stable culture and society which has not defined and enforced its territory.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any mammal which does not define and enforce a territory.
Gee - I don't see Europe getting into any of the situations about
which you're fantasizing. Oh - and fences have never worked - just ask
the Russians and the French. If you don't take economic reality into
any immigration poilicy, then it's doomed from the start.
WB Yeats
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21 May 2007 12:34:14 AM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:20:40 -0400, strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
"Pure capitalism"? To break the law; to usurp the sovereignty
of a nation is capitalism?
Sort of like Bush is doing in Iraq? Or sort of like Bush is doing
domestically. I guess you don't recognize sarcasm even if it bites you
in the *****.
No, it is not "we" who create the problem. It is a relative few
politicians, bureaucrats, activists and employers.
Bull. It's every business or individual who hire w/o proper
documentation. It's ***** poor living conditions in their native
countries and folks who are looking for something better for both them
and their families. It's the economic inequities between the US and
its Southern neighbors. I'm not making a value judgement on the rights
and wrongs for the reasons - just the reasons themselves.
What to do?
1. Stop employers from employing illegal aliens. Hiring lawbreakers
is aiding and abetting criminals in the act.
2. Vote against ALL incumbents or suspect politicians.
3. Squelch the activists. Expose them for their acts and intentions.
4. See that bureaucrats are fired. They are also aiding and
abetting.
5. Identify and turn in ALL aliens.
No - what to do is to have an immigration policy which both secures
the borders and allows the necessary workers in as citizens on
documented worker cards. Of course if there's no enforcement then
everything goes to hell - much as now.
Nope. Its too late for that. The wolf is at the door and that's not
just about illegals. All illegals must leave and later we can talk
about policy.
Until then its ALL pro-immigration incumbents out of office and
anti-immigrationists in.
Once we've re-established the default we can consider variances.
Are you an *open borders* fan?
Have you thought it through? Do you realize what would result
from 'open borders'? Open borders means no border. No border means no nation.
No nation means that there is no way to devise, maintain and
enforce law. No law means every man for himself. No privacy, no property,
no law and no culture. Within several generations anything will go and real wars begin,
not the petty police actions you are used to. To minimize conflict is the basis for common law.
To minimize conflict is why fences were invented. To minimize conflict is why borders were defined.
For Americans, to eliminate borders will also eliminate your free choice of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and property.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any stable culture and society which has not defined and enforced its territory.
If I'm wrong, cite an example of any mammal which does not define and enforce a territory.
Gee - I don't see Europe getting into any of the situations about
which you're fantasizing.
Its early yet.
Be patient. Trouble has already begun though big problems typically
take two to three generations to simmer.
Oh - and fences have never worked - just ask
the Russians and the French. If you don't take economic reality into
any immigration poilicy, then it's doomed from the start.
You're insinuating guarantees. Fences work well though there may always
be exceptions to the rule. That's why we have law.
Barring natural catastrophe and political subterfuge, societies will
stabilize. People by and large tend to get along and cooperate as long
as they aren't railroaded.
WB Yeats
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 16:24:38 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:38 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
They have all committed a felony by using a fake or stolen social
security number. Why aren't they arrested for this, instead of being
asking if they want to return voluntarily?
Will this felony be forgiven?
So what are you going to do about it? Lock them all up? Deport them?
Build a bigger fence? Outlaw Spanish as a language? As long as
American businesses and individuals continue to hire illegals, the
problem (if there is one) will remain. We in the US are supplying the
demand - the illegals the supply. Sounds like pure capitalism to me.
WB Yeats
They could be rounded up and deported. It would be really easy really.
One of the ways is to offer a bounty to citizens to turn illegals in
to the authorities. Most know where they hide out and live.
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