Politics > Politics-USA > It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period.
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It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
Based on the votes in the House and Senate on the recent supplemental
bill for funding the war effort, Democrats have come down squarely on
the side of getting our military men and women out of the Iraq
quagmire, while Republicans are generally assuming their usual,
rubber-stamping position of going along with George W. Bush's deadly
stay-the-course strategy.
And while political strategists and the corporate media may try to
frame the debate in complex narratives on the proper U.S. policy, it's
really so remarkably simple that most of the children in my son's
fourth-grade class could probably understand it.
It's clear both sides want to fund the troops and nobody, on either
side of the Congressional aisle, has suggested leaving troops wanting
for the arms, equipment and other supplies they need while stuck in
Iraq -- other than the chronic shortage of those supplies that the
troops have always realized under the Bush administration.
So the argument over who is or is not "cutting off funding" for the
troops is utter nonsense.
Bush requested money to continue the war and the Democratic Congress,
mindful of the impact on the troops, gave him exactly what he asked
for, while throwing in some extra money to care for Veterans returning
from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Done and done.
So, by definition, there is no conflict over funding and this is what
it all comes down to:
Democrats want to bring American troops home.
The White House and the majority of Congressional Republicans do not.
Period.
It's really just that simple.
There's no argument over the money.
It's all about whether or not the troops will be extracted from an
Iraqi civil war or kept there on a Bush-Cheney-McCain timeline that
has no end.
In addition to simply standing on principle, Congressional Democrats
need to look at American opinion -- not to form their own positions
but to strengthen their resolve by realizing that they're in the
wonderful place of doing the right thing by our troops and also
responding to exactly what the people are demanding.
And just looking at the national polls done in the last month shows
that Americans' beliefs about Iraq are overwhelming, definitive and
codified.
When asked about the Bush-McCain doctrine of escalating the Iraq war,
a significant majority of the American people said that they did not
agree with sending more troops into what is clearly civil war:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_3.gif
Some Democrats may have political concerns about the perception that
they are exceeding their authority and stepping on the
Commander-in-Chief's right -- no matter how much of a miserable
failure he has been -- to conduct the war any way he damn well
pleases.
The Pew Research poll done a couple of weeks ago shows that 70 percent
of respondents believe that Democrats are going either not far enough
or are just right in fighting Bush on his Iraq policies.
The CNN poll conducted about a month ago shows that 61 percent of
Americans think that the Democratic Congress should now be setting
Iraq policy or at least sharing responsibility with Bush.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_2.gif
..
But here's where the rubber really meets the road and tells the whole,
simple story about what this political battle is all about:
In every, single major poll taken in the last month, the majority of
the American people want us out of Iraq and they want to know exactly
when that's going to happen.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted in early March tells us that 58
percent of Americans think U.S. troops should be pulled from Iraq in
less than a year, with 20 percent of those saying they should be
withdrawn immediately.
More significant, is the fact that the Pew Research poll, which asks
whether or not we should be setting a withdrawal timeline, shows that
the percentage of Americans favoring a solid withdrawal date has not
been below 50 percent since September of 2005.
And then there's other results supporting the Democratic position,
such as a CNN poll taken last month showing that 54 percent of
Americans believe Bush "deliberately misled the American public" about
the rationale for the war or a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted
recently, in which 56 percent of respondents said that it was "a
mistake" sending any troops to Iraq to begin with.
Add all of this data to the fact that polling in Iraq has shown that a
majority of Iraqi citizens want us to leave and that just yesterday,
tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest continued
U.S. presence in their country, displaying their national flag and
waving signs declaring "Death to America" and "May America fall."
So let's just have everyone, on both sides of the political divide,
agree that nobody has said they intend to leave the troops high and
dry and that funding military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan is
something on which everyone in Congress agrees.
Then we can all talk about the real issue, which is that the Iraqi
people want us to leave their country and the American people want our
troops brought home.
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
And let the White House and the Republican party explain why they do
not.
__________________________________________________
It's that simple
Harry
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10 Apr 2007 09:44:02 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
Based on the votes in the House and Senate on the recent supplemental
bill for funding the war effort, Democrats have come down squarely on
the side of getting our military men and women out of the Iraq
quagmire, while Republicans are generally assuming their usual,
rubber-stamping position of going along with George W. Bush's deadly
stay-the-course strategy.
And while political strategists and the corporate media may try to
frame the debate in complex narratives on the proper U.S. policy, it's
really so remarkably simple that most of the children in my son's
fourth-grade class could probably understand it.
It's clear both sides want to fund the troops and nobody, on either
side of the Congressional aisle, has suggested leaving troops wanting
for the arms, equipment and other supplies they need while stuck in
Iraq -- other than the chronic shortage of those supplies that the
troops have always realized under the Bush administration.
So the argument over who is or is not "cutting off funding" for the
troops is utter nonsense.
Bush requested money to continue the war and the Democratic Congress,
mindful of the impact on the troops, gave him exactly what he asked
for, while throwing in some extra money to care for Veterans returning
from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Done and done.
So, by definition, there is no conflict over funding and this is what
it all comes down to:
Democrats want to bring American troops home.
The White House and the majority of Congressional Republicans do not.
Period.
It's really just that simple.
There's no argument over the money.
It's all about whether or not the troops will be extracted from an
Iraqi civil war or kept there on a Bush-Cheney-McCain timeline that
has no end.
In addition to simply standing on principle, Congressional Democrats
need to look at American opinion -- not to form their own positions
but to strengthen their resolve by realizing that they're in the
wonderful place of doing the right thing by our troops and also
responding to exactly what the people are demanding.
And just looking at the national polls done in the last month shows
that Americans' beliefs about Iraq are overwhelming, definitive and
codified.
When asked about the Bush-McCain doctrine of escalating the Iraq war,
a significant majority of the American people said that they did not
agree with sending more troops into what is clearly civil war:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_3.gif
Some Democrats may have political concerns about the perception that
they are exceeding their authority and stepping on the
Commander-in-Chief's right -- no matter how much of a miserable
failure he has been -- to conduct the war any way he damn well
pleases.
The Pew Research poll done a couple of weeks ago shows that 70 percent
of respondents believe that Democrats are going either not far enough
or are just right in fighting Bush on his Iraq policies.
The CNN poll conducted about a month ago shows that 61 percent of
Americans think that the Democratic Congress should now be setting
Iraq policy or at least sharing responsibility with Bush.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_2.gif
.
But here's where the rubber really meets the road and tells the whole,
simple story about what this political battle is all about:
In every, single major poll taken in the last month, the majority of
the American people want us out of Iraq and they want to know exactly
when that's going to happen.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted in early March tells us that 58
percent of Americans think U.S. troops should be pulled from Iraq in
less than a year, with 20 percent of those saying they should be
withdrawn immediately.
More significant, is the fact that the Pew Research poll, which asks
whether or not we should be setting a withdrawal timeline, shows that
the percentage of Americans favoring a solid withdrawal date has not
been below 50 percent since September of 2005.
And then there's other results supporting the Democratic position,
such as a CNN poll taken last month showing that 54 percent of
Americans believe Bush "deliberately misled the American public" about
the rationale for the war or a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted
recently, in which 56 percent of respondents said that it was "a
mistake" sending any troops to Iraq to begin with.
Add all of this data to the fact that polling in Iraq has shown that a
majority of Iraqi citizens want us to leave and that just yesterday,
tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest continued
U.S. presence in their country, displaying their national flag and
waving signs declaring "Death to America" and "May America fall."
So let's just have everyone, on both sides of the political divide,
agree that nobody has said they intend to leave the troops high and
dry and that funding military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan is
something on which everyone in Congress agrees.
Then we can all talk about the real issue, which is that the Iraqi
people want us to leave their country and the American people want our
troops brought home.
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
And let the White House and the Republican party explain why they do
not.
__________________________________________________
It's that simple
Harry
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end, bring our soldiers
home, and tell the war profiteers to get fucked. But, the republicans always
have to stroke the corporations, and when it comes to war, the republicans
are all in all the time.
They want a war economy, a war drivin stock market, and they dont give damn
how many have to die to fit their selfish ends. They will keep killing our
sons and daughters for profit as long as they can, and their president,
America's CEO GW Bush loves the money for blood more than he loves our
nations sons and daughters.
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| User: "the Decider" |
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
10 Apr 2007 11:10:48 PM |
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In article <461c4b70$0$1363$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com...
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
Based on the votes in the House and Senate on the recent supplemental
bill for funding the war effort, Democrats have come down squarely on
the side of getting our military men and women out of the Iraq
quagmire, while Republicans are generally assuming their usual,
rubber-stamping position of going along with George W. Bush's deadly
stay-the-course strategy.
And while political strategists and the corporate media may try to
frame the debate in complex narratives on the proper U.S. policy, it's
really so remarkably simple that most of the children in my son's
fourth-grade class could probably understand it.
It's clear both sides want to fund the troops and nobody, on either
side of the Congressional aisle, has suggested leaving troops wanting
for the arms, equipment and other supplies they need while stuck in
Iraq -- other than the chronic shortage of those supplies that the
troops have always realized under the Bush administration.
So the argument over who is or is not "cutting off funding" for the
troops is utter nonsense.
Bush requested money to continue the war and the Democratic Congress,
mindful of the impact on the troops, gave him exactly what he asked
for, while throwing in some extra money to care for Veterans returning
from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Done and done.
So, by definition, there is no conflict over funding and this is what
it all comes down to:
Democrats want to bring American troops home.
The White House and the majority of Congressional Republicans do not.
Period.
It's really just that simple.
There's no argument over the money.
It's all about whether or not the troops will be extracted from an
Iraqi civil war or kept there on a Bush-Cheney-McCain timeline that
has no end.
In addition to simply standing on principle, Congressional Democrats
need to look at American opinion -- not to form their own positions
but to strengthen their resolve by realizing that they're in the
wonderful place of doing the right thing by our troops and also
responding to exactly what the people are demanding.
And just looking at the national polls done in the last month shows
that Americans' beliefs about Iraq are overwhelming, definitive and
codified.
When asked about the Bush-McCain doctrine of escalating the Iraq war,
a significant majority of the American people said that they did not
agree with sending more troops into what is clearly civil war:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_3.gif
Some Democrats may have political concerns about the perception that
they are exceeding their authority and stepping on the
Commander-in-Chief's right -- no matter how much of a miserable
failure he has been -- to conduct the war any way he damn well
pleases.
The Pew Research poll done a couple of weeks ago shows that 70 percent
of respondents believe that Democrats are going either not far enough
or are just right in fighting Bush on his Iraq policies.
The CNN poll conducted about a month ago shows that 61 percent of
Americans think that the Democratic Congress should now be setting
Iraq policy or at least sharing responsibility with Bush.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_2.gif
.
But here's where the rubber really meets the road and tells the whole,
simple story about what this political battle is all about:
In every, single major poll taken in the last month, the majority of
the American people want us out of Iraq and they want to know exactly
when that's going to happen.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted in early March tells us that 58
percent of Americans think U.S. troops should be pulled from Iraq in
less than a year, with 20 percent of those saying they should be
withdrawn immediately.
More significant, is the fact that the Pew Research poll, which asks
whether or not we should be setting a withdrawal timeline, shows that
the percentage of Americans favoring a solid withdrawal date has not
been below 50 percent since September of 2005.
And then there's other results supporting the Democratic position,
such as a CNN poll taken last month showing that 54 percent of
Americans believe Bush "deliberately misled the American public" about
the rationale for the war or a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted
recently, in which 56 percent of respondents said that it was "a
mistake" sending any troops to Iraq to begin with.
Add all of this data to the fact that polling in Iraq has shown that a
majority of Iraqi citizens want us to leave and that just yesterday,
tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest continued
U.S. presence in their country, displaying their national flag and
waving signs declaring "Death to America" and "May America fall."
So let's just have everyone, on both sides of the political divide,
agree that nobody has said they intend to leave the troops high and
dry and that funding military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan is
something on which everyone in Congress agrees.
Then we can all talk about the real issue, which is that the Iraqi
people want us to leave their country and the American people want our
troops brought home.
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
And let the White House and the Republican party explain why they do
not.
__________________________________________________
It's that simple
Harry
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end, bring our soldiers
home, and tell the war profiteers to get fucked. But, the republicans always
have to stroke the corporations, and when it comes to war, the republicans
are all in all the time.
They want a war economy, a war drivin stock market, and they dont give damn
how many have to die to fit their selfish ends. They will keep killing our
sons and daughters for profit as long as they can, and their president,
America's CEO GW Bush loves the money for blood more than he loves our
nations sons and daughters.
The war is driven by greed. Mostly over the control of oil. But
Halliburton does well too.
--
My birthday is April 30th, I'll be 64 y.o.
Money: What a concept?
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
11 Apr 2007 11:36:18 PM |
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On Apr 10, 10:44 pm, "XTS" <x...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end,
Then why won't the Democrats simply NOT fund the war?
Face it, you drank the koolaid, and the Dems are laughing at the whole
lot of you while the slow bleed the troops.
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
12 Apr 2007 12:26:45 AM |
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"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 10:44 pm, "XTS" <x...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as
they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end,
Then why won't the Democrats simply NOT fund the war?
That bill is in the process, it's Feingold/Reid/Biden.
The democrats have been in power for less than six months. Give them a
chance. If you paid attention to reality instead of Fox news or AM radio,
you might know how the legislative process works. But, sadly, you're just
another dumb-*****, repeating RNC taking points. They tried to give Bush a
bill everyone could live with, and he says he will reject it. So, they have
to go to the next step.
Face it, you drank the koolaid, and the Dems are laughing at the whole
lot of you while the slow bleed the troops.
Wrong. You simply have no idea how things work. If you expect that kind of
change for a new congress in 90 day, you're not too bright.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
12 Apr 2007 10:13:15 AM |
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"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 10:44 pm, "XTS" <x...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as
they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end,
Then why won't the Democrats simply NOT fund the war?
Face it, you drank the koolaid, and the Dems are laughing at the whole
lot of you while the slow bleed the troops.
"while the slow bleed the troops" ?
It may be time to put the bottle away and go to bed.
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10 Apr 2007 11:28:52 PM |
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On Apr 10, 7:44 pm, "XTS" <x...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com...
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-mon...
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
Based on the votes in the House and Senate on the recent supplemental
bill for funding the war effort, Democrats have come down squarely on
the side of getting our military men and women out of the Iraq
quagmire, while Republicans are generally assuming their usual,
rubber-stamping position of going along with George W. Bush's deadly
stay-the-course strategy.
And while political strategists and the corporate media may try to
frame the debate in complex narratives on the proper U.S. policy, it's
really so remarkably simple that most of the children in my son's
fourth-grade class could probably understand it.
It's clear both sides want to fund the troops and nobody, on either
side of the Congressional aisle, has suggested leaving troops wanting
for the arms, equipment and other supplies they need while stuck in
Iraq -- other than the chronic shortage of those supplies that the
troops have always realized under the Bush administration.
So the argument over who is or is not "cutting off funding" for the
troops is utter nonsense.
Bush requested money to continue the war and the Democratic Congress,
mindful of the impact on the troops, gave him exactly what he asked
for, while throwing in some extra money to care for Veterans returning
from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Done and done.
So, by definition, there is no conflict over funding and this is what
it all comes down to:
Democrats want to bring American troops home.
The White House and the majority of Congressional Republicans do not.
Period.
It's really just that simple.
There's no argument over the money.
It's all about whether or not the troops will be extracted from an
Iraqi civil war or kept there on a Bush-Cheney-McCain timeline that
has no end.
In addition to simply standing on principle, Congressional Democrats
need to look at American opinion -- not to form their own positions
but to strengthen their resolve by realizing that they're in the
wonderful place of doing the right thing by our troops and also
responding to exactly what the people are demanding.
And just looking at the national polls done in the last month shows
that Americans' beliefs about Iraq are overwhelming, definitive and
codified.
When asked about the Bush-McCain doctrine of escalating the Iraq war,
a significant majority of the American people said that they did not
agree with sending more troops into what is clearly civil war:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_3.gif
Some Democrats may have political concerns about the perception that
they are exceeding their authority and stepping on the
Commander-in-Chief's right -- no matter how much of a miserable
failure he has been -- to conduct the war any way he damn well
pleases.
The Pew Research poll done a couple of weeks ago shows that 70 percent
of respondents believe that Democrats are going either not far enough
or are just right in fighting Bush on his Iraq policies.
The CNN poll conducted about a month ago shows that 61 percent of
Americans think that the Democratic Congress should now be setting
Iraq policy or at least sharing responsibility with Bush.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_2.gif
.
But here's where the rubber really meets the road and tells the whole,
simple story about what this political battle is all about:
In every, single major poll taken in the last month, the majority of
the American people want us out of Iraq and they want to know exactly
when that's going to happen.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted in early March tells us that 58
percent of Americans think U.S. troops should be pulled from Iraq in
less than a year, with 20 percent of those saying they should be
withdrawn immediately.
More significant, is the fact that the Pew Research poll, which asks
whether or not we should be setting a withdrawal timeline, shows that
the percentage of Americans favoring a solid withdrawal date has not
been below 50 percent since September of 2005.
And then there's other results supporting the Democratic position,
such as a CNN poll taken last month showing that 54 percent of
Americans believe Bush "deliberately misled the American public" about
the rationale for the war or a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted
recently, in which 56 percent of respondents said that it was "a
mistake" sending any troops to Iraq to begin with.
Add all of this data to the fact that polling in Iraq has shown that a
majority of Iraqi citizens want us to leave and that just yesterday,
tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest continued
U.S. presence in their country, displaying their national flag and
waving signs declaring "Death to America" and "May America fall."
So let's just have everyone, on both sides of the political divide,
agree that nobody has said they intend to leave the troops high and
dry and that funding military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan is
something on which everyone in Congress agrees.
Then we can all talk about the real issue, which is that the Iraqi
people want us to leave their country and the American people want our
troops brought home.
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
And let the White House and the Republican party explain why they do
not.
__________________________________________________
It's that simple
Harry
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end, bring our soldiers
home, and tell the war profiteers to get fucked. But, the republicans always
have to stroke the corporations, and when it comes to war, the republicans
are all in all the time.
They want a war economy, a war drivin stock market, and they dont give damn
how many have to die to fit their selfish ends. They will keep killing our
sons and daughters for profit as long as they can, and their president,
America's CEO GW Bush loves the money for blood more than he loves our
nations sons and daughters
DITTO..
And they also don't give a damm about what happens to the average
citizen when it comes to the economy.
They keep sending jobs overseas, or to mexico... while importing the
cheapest labor into the US.
From here it all seems as though their only rationale is to extract
every possible last dime from the US economy and every possible last
dime from the US treasury - and to hell with the best interests or
even lives of US citizens.
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<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 7:44 pm, "XTS" <x...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com...
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-mon...
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
Based on the votes in the House and Senate on the recent supplemental
bill for funding the war effort, Democrats have come down squarely on
the side of getting our military men and women out of the Iraq
quagmire, while Republicans are generally assuming their usual,
rubber-stamping position of going along with George W. Bush's deadly
stay-the-course strategy.
And while political strategists and the corporate media may try to
frame the debate in complex narratives on the proper U.S. policy, it's
really so remarkably simple that most of the children in my son's
fourth-grade class could probably understand it.
It's clear both sides want to fund the troops and nobody, on either
side of the Congressional aisle, has suggested leaving troops wanting
for the arms, equipment and other supplies they need while stuck in
Iraq -- other than the chronic shortage of those supplies that the
troops have always realized under the Bush administration.
So the argument over who is or is not "cutting off funding" for the
troops is utter nonsense.
Bush requested money to continue the war and the Democratic Congress,
mindful of the impact on the troops, gave him exactly what he asked
for, while throwing in some extra money to care for Veterans returning
from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Done and done.
So, by definition, there is no conflict over funding and this is what
it all comes down to:
Democrats want to bring American troops home.
The White House and the majority of Congressional Republicans do not.
Period.
It's really just that simple.
There's no argument over the money.
It's all about whether or not the troops will be extracted from an
Iraqi civil war or kept there on a Bush-Cheney-McCain timeline that
has no end.
In addition to simply standing on principle, Congressional Democrats
need to look at American opinion -- not to form their own positions
but to strengthen their resolve by realizing that they're in the
wonderful place of doing the right thing by our troops and also
responding to exactly what the people are demanding.
And just looking at the national polls done in the last month shows
that Americans' beliefs about Iraq are overwhelming, definitive and
codified.
When asked about the Bush-McCain doctrine of escalating the Iraq war,
a significant majority of the American people said that they did not
agree with sending more troops into what is clearly civil war:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_3.gif
Some Democrats may have political concerns about the perception that
they are exceeding their authority and stepping on the
Commander-in-Chief's right -- no matter how much of a miserable
failure he has been -- to conduct the war any way he damn well
pleases.
The Pew Research poll done a couple of weeks ago shows that 70 percent
of respondents believe that Democrats are going either not far enough
or are just right in fighting Bush on his Iraq policies.
The CNN poll conducted about a month ago shows that 61 percent of
Americans think that the Democratic Congress should now be setting
Iraq policy or at least sharing responsibility with Bush.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/iraq_polls_2.gif
.
But here's where the rubber really meets the road and tells the whole,
simple story about what this political battle is all about:
In every, single major poll taken in the last month, the majority of
the American people want us out of Iraq and they want to know exactly
when that's going to happen.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted in early March tells us that 58
percent of Americans think U.S. troops should be pulled from Iraq in
less than a year, with 20 percent of those saying they should be
withdrawn immediately.
More significant, is the fact that the Pew Research poll, which asks
whether or not we should be setting a withdrawal timeline, shows that
the percentage of Americans favoring a solid withdrawal date has not
been below 50 percent since September of 2005.
And then there's other results supporting the Democratic position,
such as a CNN poll taken last month showing that 54 percent of
Americans believe Bush "deliberately misled the American public" about
the rationale for the war or a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted
recently, in which 56 percent of respondents said that it was "a
mistake" sending any troops to Iraq to begin with.
Add all of this data to the fact that polling in Iraq has shown that a
majority of Iraqi citizens want us to leave and that just yesterday,
tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest continued
U.S. presence in their country, displaying their national flag and
waving signs declaring "Death to America" and "May America fall."
So let's just have everyone, on both sides of the political divide,
agree that nobody has said they intend to leave the troops high and
dry and that funding military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan is
something on which everyone in Congress agrees.
Then we can all talk about the real issue, which is that the Iraqi
people want us to leave their country and the American people want our
troops brought home.
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
And let the White House and the Republican party explain why they do
not.
__________________________________________________
It's that simple
Harry
The republicns want to continue to fund the war protiteers as long as
they
can, and the democrats just want the damn war to end, bring our soldiers
home, and tell the war profiteers to get fucked. But, the republicans
always
have to stroke the corporations, and when it comes to war, the
republicans
are all in all the time.
They want a war economy, a war drivin stock market, and they dont give
damn
how many have to die to fit their selfish ends. They will keep killing
our
sons and daughters for profit as long as they can, and their president,
America's CEO GW Bush loves the money for blood more than he loves our
nations sons and daughters
DITTO..
And they also don't give a damm about what happens to the average
citizen when it comes to the economy.
They keep sending jobs overseas, or to mexico... while importing the
cheapest labor into the US.
You're right of course. They are enemies of the United States, our
constituion, our civil liberties, our ethics and the very premise this
country was founded on. GW Bush and ***** Cheney have never held up the
health and well being of the United States up as their first and foremost
job, instead, they hold up greed and and perpetual war to feed their greed.
From here it all seems as though their only rationale is to extract
every possible last dime from the US economy and every possible last
dime from the US treasury - and to hell with the best interests or
even lives of US citizens.
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10 Apr 2007 11:38:39 PM |
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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11 Apr 2007 09:26:56 AM |
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
--
NeoLibertarian
Keep in mind that the concept of a "war on terror" and the idiea that Iraq
is some how a part of it comes from the same nitwits that brought us WMD,
last throes, flowers at our feet, six months tops, mission accomplished,
Niger uranium and 1000 other nonsensical predictions not a one of which has
proven to be true. One would have to be some kind of stupid to buy into
anything these bozo come up with but apparently you do. Its hard to believe
that you are as naive as you sound. I suppose you believe that the surge is
working and that the Iranians are making bombs also, the most recent crapola
from the Bushies. Don't you feel just a little stupid and misled for
drinking the coolaid?
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11 Apr 2007 11:18:00 PM |
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In article <Qe6Th.16085$Um6.965@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cognac756-E97C8D.23382010042007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
--
NeoLibertarian
Keep in mind that the concept of a "war on terror" and the idiea that Iraq
is some how a part of it comes from the same nitwits that brought us WMD,
last throes, flowers at our feet, six months tops, mission accomplished,
Niger uranium and 1000 other nonsensical predictions not a one of which has
proven to be true.
....or untrue.
Most of the above were ever claimed by the President, btw. In the case
of Iraq's proscribed weapons, the chorus of voices spanned three
administrations, and included both sides of the aisle. Even those who
now wish to claim to idiotic audiences (who seem only too willing to lap
it up) that "the President misled us."
Bush isn't your father--if he is mistaken, this doesn't necessarily
equate with a lie.
But I'm not that sure that he was mistaken, anyway. Certainly, the whole
truth hasn't yet surfaced.
One would have to be some kind of stupid to buy into
anything these bozo come up with but apparently you do.
It's not just the President, dummy.
Its hard to believe
that you are as naive as you sound.
Sure I'm naive.
Which is why I am compelled to investigate.
One of the things I've discovered, for instance, is that there isn't any
organization on earth that named itself "al-Qaeda."
One can't understand the nature of the threat, nor the extent, until one
understands bin Laden's organization and where it fits in to the Global
Jihad movement.
None of those who author the Sterling Criticism of the War on Terror
have ever attempted to show even a modicum of understanding of the
Global Jihad.
And, in fact, none of them do.
I suppose you believe that the surge is
working and that the Iranians are making bombs also, the most recent crapola
from the Bushies. Don't you feel just a little stupid and misled for
drinking the coolaid?
I think that Operation: Iraqi Freedom was /always/ a proxy war with Iran.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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11 Apr 2007 12:55:52 AM |
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"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as long as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought to the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans conviced you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases and terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will begin to
clear up.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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11 Apr 2007 11:20:01 PM |
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In article <461c7869$0$1433$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as long as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought to the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans conviced you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases and terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will begin to
clear up.
I don't want closed borders. But I don't really want a War on Terror,
either.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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12 Apr 2007 12:01:40 AM |
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In article <461c7869$0$1433$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose
the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as long
as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought to
the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans conviced
you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases and
terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will begin
to
clear up.
I don't want closed borders. But I don't really want a War on Terror,
either.
I'm not advocating closed borders. I'm saying if bush was really concerned
with a war on terror, he would have done something with porous borders at
home before he decided to go and fight "them" in Iraq, or some other
country. The concept of keeping "terrorists" out of the USA while the
borders are wide open is ludicrous. In other words, it's no different than
protecting your own home, you need to lock you own doors before you go out
on neighborhood watch. The "war on terror" is a sham, and nothing more.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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12 Apr 2007 08:24:15 PM |
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In article <461dbd33$0$24694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose
the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as long
as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought to
the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans conviced
you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases and
terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will begin
to
clear up.
I don't want closed borders. But I don't really want a War on Terror,
either.
I'm not advocating closed borders. I'm saying if bush was really concerned
with a war on terror, he would have done something with porous borders at
home before he decided to go and fight "them" in Iraq, or some other
country. The concept of keeping "terrorists" out of the USA while the
borders are wide open is ludicrous. In other words, it's no different than
protecting your own home, you need to lock you own doors before you go out
on neighborhood watch. The "war on terror" is a sham, and nothing more.
I'm not in favor of closing the borders, and you obviously are.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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12 Apr 2007 08:59:46 PM |
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"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <461dbd33$0$24694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin
withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of
a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over
the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or
lose
the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as
long
as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought
to
the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans
conviced
you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open
borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases
and
terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of
the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will
begin
to
clear up.
I don't want closed borders. But I don't really want a War on Terror,
either.
I'm not advocating closed borders. I'm saying if bush was really
concerned
with a war on terror, he would have done something with porous borders
at
home before he decided to go and fight "them" in Iraq, or some other
country. The concept of keeping "terrorists" out of the USA while the
borders are wide open is ludicrous. In other words, it's no different
than
protecting your own home, you need to lock you own doors before you go
out
on neighborhood watch. The "war on terror" is a sham, and nothing more.
I'm not in favor of closing the borders, and you obviously are.
Then you have a reading comprehension problem.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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12 Apr 2007 10:56:47 PM |
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In article <461ee40d$0$4859$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
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"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin
withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of
a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over
the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or
lose
the
War on Terror.
There is no war on terror. There could never be a war on terror as
long
as
the US borders are wide open. That shows you have given no thought
to
the
war on terror, you just take it as fact because the republicans
conviced
you
there was a war on terror. How could there be with wide open
borders? A
child's logic is more sound than yours. You echo foolish phrases
and
terms
because your masters tell you to, and it makes you feel like one of
the
in-crowd. Try thinking for yourself, and the fog in your head will
begin
to
clear up.
I don't want closed borders. But I don't really want a War on Terror,
either.
I'm not advocating closed borders. I'm saying if bush was really
concerned
with a war on terror, he would have done something with porous borders
at
home before he decided to go and fight "them" in Iraq, or some other
country. The concept of keeping "terrorists" out of the USA while the
borders are wide open is ludicrous. In other words, it's no different
than
protecting your own home, you need to lock you own doors before you go
out
on neighborhood watch. The "war on terror" is a sham, and nothing more.
I'm not in favor of closing the borders, and you obviously are.
Then you have a reading comprehension problem.
Sure I do, but not in this instance, surely.
You said, and I quote: "I'm not advocating closed borders. I'm saying if
bush was really concerned with a war on terror, he would have done
something with porous borders at home before he decided to go and fight
"them" in Iraq."
If you're gonna "do something" about "porous" borders, it isn't a
stretch of logic to see that you mean to close them.
And you seem to see open/porous borders as presenting a security threat
to the United States.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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11 Apr 2007 07:00:05 AM |
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"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
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NeoLibertarian
Sorry, what war on terror? The one in Iraq has nothing to do with the
terror attack on 9/11, the Iraquis had nothing to do with that. So why are
we in Iraq? Are we training terrorists for the other side? Now that
doesn't make to much sense. Did we make a mistake? I'd go for that, we
made a mistake.
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
11 Apr 2007 11:18:45 PM |
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In article <954Th.20385$PL.5644@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjv@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cognac756-E97C8D.23382010042007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.htm
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Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
--
NeoLibertarian
Sorry, what war on terror? The one in Iraq has nothing to do with the
terror attack on 9/11, the Iraquis had nothing to do with that.
Why would you think this is relevant to the issue?
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NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
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| User: "Bill Rood" |
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicansdon't. Period. |
11 Apr 2007 12:16:13 AM |
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Neolibertarian wrote:
In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9qam3@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-money.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
There is no "War on Terror". The only way to fight criminal gangs is
through good police work, including intelligence and surveillance.
The only wars the Empire has going right now are against the people of
Iraq, the Taliban and the people of Somalia. The Empire has lost the one
in Iraq and is in the process of losing the one in Afghanistan. The one
in Somalia is just getting started after our Ethiopian client overthrew
the first regime that had managed to bring peace to Mogadishu in 15 years.
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
11 Apr 2007 09:44:17 AM |
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On Apr 10, 10:16 pm, Bill Rood <wjr...@magnaspeed.net> wrote:
Neolibertarian wrote:
In article <0ggo139v9163ovuf6d7tjpne69u9e9q...@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/04/iraq-war-debate-dont-follow-mon...
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
The Iraq-War Debate - Don't Follow The Money
The debate over whether the United States should begin withdrawing
combat troops from Iraq or remain indefinitely in the middle of a
bloody civil war will be center stage in the 110th Congress over the
next few weeks.
No, that's not the debate at all.
The debate is over whether the United States is going to win or lose the
War on Terror.
There is no "War on Terror". The only way to fight criminal gangs is
through good police work, including intelligence and surveillance.
Which is exactly how the UK is fighting terrorism.
And unlike the U.S., the UK is successful at it. They have criminal
convictions where the U.S. has none.
The only wars the Empire has going right now are against the people of
Iraq, the Taliban and the people of Somalia. The Empire has lost the one
in Iraq and is in the process of losing the one in Afghanistan. The one
in Somalia is just getting started after our Ethiopian client overthrew
the first regime that had managed to bring peace to Mogadishu in 15 years.
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| User: "Daniel" |
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| Title: Re: It's really quite simple. Democrats want the troops home, Republicans don't. Period. |
11 Apr 2007 11:34:46 PM |
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On Apr 10, 10:03 pm, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Let Democrats talk about how they want every Sailor, Soldier, Marine
and Airman to be out of Iraq and home with their families having
barbeques in the summer of 2008.
Well then, it should just be a simple matter of cutting off the
funding. Why won't Democrats do it if they "want the troops home" as
bad as you think they do.
Face it, you're drunk on the koolaid, and Democrats just want to bleed
the troops.
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