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"!Harry Hope" |
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24 Nov 2004 02:05:50 PM |
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"Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian" |
From The New York Times, 11/24/04:
http://nytimes.com/2004/11/24/opinion/24kristof.html
Apocalypse (Almost) Now
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If America's secular liberals think they have it rough now, just wait
till the Second Coming.
The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the
U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone
who is not a born-again Christian.
The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many
Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire:
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in,
howling and screeching."
Gosh, what an uplifting scene!
If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would
furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering.
We should hold ourselves to the same standard.
Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both
e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to
protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of
non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.
"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic
and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail.
"That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of
plurality and tolerance."
Silly me.
I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to
roast everyone from the good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire,
simply because they weren't born-again Christians.
I accept that Mr. Jenkins and Mr. LaHaye are sincere.
(They base their conclusions on John 3.)
But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim
fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just
applying God's word.
Now, I've often written that blue staters should be less snooty toward
fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that this column will seem
pretty snooty.
But if I praise the good work of evangelicals - like their superb
relief efforts in Darfur - I'll also condemn what I perceive as
bigotry.
A dialogue about faith must move past taboos and discuss differences
bluntly.
That's what blue staters and red staters need to do about religion and
the "Left Behind" books.
For starters, it's worth pointing out that those predicting an
apocalypse have a long and lousy record.
In America, tens of thousands of followers of William Miller waited
eagerly for Jesus to reappear on Oct. 22, 1844.
Some of these Millerites had given away all their belongings, and the
no-show was called the Great Disappointment.
In more recent times, the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970's
was Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth," selling 18 million
copies worldwide with its predictions of a Second Coming.
Then, one of the hottest best sellers in 1988 was a booklet called "88
Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988."
Oops.
Being wrong has rarely been so lucrative.
Now we have the hugely profitable "Left Behind" financial empire,
whose Web site flatly says that the authors "think this generation
will witness the end of history."
The site sells every "Left Behind" spinoff imaginable, including
screen savers, regular prophecies sent to your mobile phone,
children's versions of the books, audiobooks, graphic novels, videos,
calendars, music and a $6.50-a-month prophesy club.
This isn't religion, this is brand management.
If Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins honestly believe that the end of the
world may be imminent, why not waive royalties?
Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor
- and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?
Mr. Jenkins told me that he gives 20 to 40 percent of his income to
charity, and that's commendable.
But there are millions more where that came from.
Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins might spend less time puzzling over obscure
passages in the Book of Revelation and more time with the
straightforward language of Matthew 6:19, "Do not store up for
yourselves treasures on earth."
Or Matthew 19:21, where Jesus advises a rich man:
"Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. . . . It will
be hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
So I challenge the authors to a bet: if the events of the Apocalypse
arrive in the next 10 years, then I'll donate $500 to the battle
against the Antichrist; if it doesn't, you donate $500 to a charity of
my choosing that fights poverty - and bigotry.
Gentlemen, do we have a deal?
____________________________________________________________
What would the America be without our resident cretins?
harry
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25 Nov 2004 02:11:02 PM |
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!Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<acq9q0tdsbesi2q85vspo6dcapsungsumf@4ax.com>...
From The New York Times, 11/24/04:
http://nytimes.com/2004/11/24/opinion/24kristof.html
Apocalypse (Almost) Now
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If America's secular liberals think they have it rough now, just wait
till the Second Coming.
The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the
U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone
who is not a born-again Christian.
The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many
Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire:
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in,
howling and screeching."
Gosh, what an uplifting scene!
If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would
furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering.
We should hold ourselves to the same standard.
Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both
e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to
protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of
non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.
"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic
and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail.
"That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of
plurality and tolerance."
Silly me.
I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to
roast everyone from the good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire,
simply because they weren't born-again Christians.
I accept that Mr. Jenkins and Mr. LaHaye are sincere.
(They base their conclusions on John 3.)
Well, I just read John 3, and these guys must have a lot of
imagination to so interpret it; I don't find any mention of
everlasting fire. I think these guys are simply arsonists.......
But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim
fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just
applying God's word.
Now, I've often written that blue staters should be less snooty toward
fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that this column will seem
pretty snooty.
But if I praise the good work of evangelicals - like their superb
relief efforts in Darfur - I'll also condemn what I perceive as
bigotry.
A dialogue about faith must move past taboos and discuss differences
bluntly.
That's what blue staters and red staters need to do about religion and
the "Left Behind" books.
For starters, it's worth pointing out that those predicting an
apocalypse have a long and lousy record.
In America, tens of thousands of followers of William Miller waited
eagerly for Jesus to reappear on Oct. 22, 1844.
Some of these Millerites had given away all their belongings, and the
no-show was called the Great Disappointment.
One doesn't have to go back to 1844. I know a family in Colorado
who had a rather successful business going in house contracting.
They sold everything they had and moved to Israel because they
wanted to be there "for the rapture".
That was about 3 or 4 years ago; looks like they got the word a
little early.....
In more recent times, the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970's
was Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth," selling 18 million
copies worldwide with its predictions of a Second Coming.
Then, one of the hottest best sellers in 1988 was a booklet called "88
Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988."
Oops.
Being wrong has rarely been so lucrative.
Now we have the hugely profitable "Left Behind" financial empire,
whose Web site flatly says that the authors "think this generation
will witness the end of history."
The site sells every "Left Behind" spinoff imaginable, including
screen savers, regular prophecies sent to your mobile phone,
children's versions of the books, audiobooks, graphic novels, videos,
calendars, music and a $6.50-a-month prophesy club.
This isn't religion, this is brand management.
If Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins honestly believe that the end of the
world may be imminent, why not waive royalties?
Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor
- and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?
Mr. Jenkins told me that he gives 20 to 40 percent of his income to
charity, and that's commendable.
But there are millions more where that came from.
Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins might spend less time puzzling over obscure
passages in the Book of Revelation and more time with the
straightforward language of Matthew 6:19, "Do not store up for
yourselves treasures on earth."
Or Matthew 19:21, where Jesus advises a rich man:
"Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. . . . It will
be hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
So I challenge the authors to a bet: if the events of the Apocalypse
arrive in the next 10 years, then I'll donate $500 to the battle
against the Antichrist; if it doesn't, you donate $500 to a charity of
my choosing that fights poverty - and bigotry.
What was it Reagan said, something like "trust, but inspect".
So be sure you have their $500 in escrow.
Gentlemen, do we have a deal?
____________________________________________________________
What would the America be without our resident cretins?
harry
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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24 Nov 2004 02:26:21 PM |
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"!Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:acq9q0tdsbesi2q85vspo6dcapsungsumf@4ax.com...
From The New York Times, 11/24/04:
http://nytimes.com/2004/11/24/opinion/24kristof.html
Apocalypse (Almost) Now
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If America's secular liberals think they have it rough now, just wait
till the Second Coming.
The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the
U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone
who is not a born-again Christian.
The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many
Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire:
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in,
howling and screeching."
Gosh, what an uplifting scene!
If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would
furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering.
We should hold ourselves to the same standard.
Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both
e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to
protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of
non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.
"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic
and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail.
"That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of
plurality and tolerance."
Silly me.
I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to
roast everyone from the good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire,
simply because they weren't born-again Christians.
I accept that Mr. Jenkins and Mr. LaHaye are sincere.
(They base their conclusions on John 3.)
But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim
fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just
applying God's word.
Now, I've often written that blue staters should be less snooty toward
fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that this column will seem
pretty snooty.
But if I praise the good work of evangelicals - like their superb
relief efforts in Darfur - I'll also condemn what I perceive as
bigotry.
A dialogue about faith must move past taboos and discuss differences
bluntly.
That's what blue staters and red staters need to do about religion and
the "Left Behind" books.
For starters, it's worth pointing out that those predicting an
apocalypse have a long and lousy record.
In America, tens of thousands of followers of William Miller waited
eagerly for Jesus to reappear on Oct. 22, 1844.
Some of these Millerites had given away all their belongings, and the
no-show was called the Great Disappointment.
In more recent times, the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970's
was Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth," selling 18 million
copies worldwide with its predictions of a Second Coming.
Then, one of the hottest best sellers in 1988 was a booklet called "88
Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988."
Oops.
Being wrong has rarely been so lucrative.
Now we have the hugely profitable "Left Behind" financial empire,
whose Web site flatly says that the authors "think this generation
will witness the end of history."
The site sells every "Left Behind" spinoff imaginable, including
screen savers, regular prophecies sent to your mobile phone,
children's versions of the books, audiobooks, graphic novels, videos,
calendars, music and a $6.50-a-month prophesy club.
This isn't religion, this is brand management.
If Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins honestly believe that the end of the
world may be imminent, why not waive royalties?
Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor
- and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?
Mr. Jenkins told me that he gives 20 to 40 percent of his income to
charity, and that's commendable.
But there are millions more where that came from.
Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins might spend less time puzzling over obscure
passages in the Book of Revelation and more time with the
straightforward language of Matthew 6:19, "Do not store up for
yourselves treasures on earth."
Or Matthew 19:21, where Jesus advises a rich man:
"Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. . . . It will
be hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
So I challenge the authors to a bet: if the events of the Apocalypse
arrive in the next 10 years, then I'll donate $500 to the battle
against the Antichrist; if it doesn't, you donate $500 to a charity of
my choosing that fights poverty - and bigotry.
Gentlemen, do we have a deal?
____________________________________________________________
What would the America be without our resident cretins?
The greatest nation on the face of the planet.
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| User: "GodsTruth" |
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24 Nov 2004 03:48:10 PM |
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Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
"!Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:acq9q0tdsbesi2q85vspo6dcapsungsumf@4ax.com...
From The New York Times, 11/24/04:
http://nytimes.com/2004/11/24/opinion/24kristof.html
Apocalypse (Almost) Now
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If America's secular liberals think they have it rough now, just wait
till the Second Coming.
The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the
U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone
who is not a born-again Christian.
The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many
Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire:
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in,
howling and screeching."
Gosh, what an uplifting scene!
If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would
furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering.
We should hold ourselves to the same standard.
Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both
e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to
protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of
non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.
"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic
and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail.
"That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of
plurality and tolerance."
Silly me.
I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to
roast everyone from the good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire,
simply because they weren't born-again Christians.
I accept that Mr. Jenkins and Mr. LaHaye are sincere.
(They base their conclusions on John 3.)
But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim
fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just
applying God's word.
Now, I've often written that blue staters should be less snooty toward
fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that this column will seem
pretty snooty.
But if I praise the good work of evangelicals - like their superb
relief efforts in Darfur - I'll also condemn what I perceive as
bigotry.
A dialogue about faith must move past taboos and discuss differences
bluntly.
That's what blue staters and red staters need to do about religion and
the "Left Behind" books.
For starters, it's worth pointing out that those predicting an
apocalypse have a long and lousy record.
In America, tens of thousands of followers of William Miller waited
eagerly for Jesus to reappear on Oct. 22, 1844.
Some of these Millerites had given away all their belongings, and the
no-show was called the Great Disappointment.
In more recent times, the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970's
was Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth," selling 18 million
copies worldwide with its predictions of a Second Coming.
Then, one of the hottest best sellers in 1988 was a booklet called "88
Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988."
Oops.
Being wrong has rarely been so lucrative.
Now we have the hugely profitable "Left Behind" financial empire,
whose Web site flatly says that the authors "think this generation
will witness the end of history."
The site sells every "Left Behind" spinoff imaginable, including
screen savers, regular prophecies sent to your mobile phone,
children's versions of the books, audiobooks, graphic novels, videos,
calendars, music and a $6.50-a-month prophesy club.
This isn't religion, this is brand management.
If Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins honestly believe that the end of the
world may be imminent, why not waive royalties?
Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor
- and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?
Mr. Jenkins told me that he gives 20 to 40 percent of his income to
charity, and that's commendable.
But there are millions more where that came from.
Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins might spend less time puzzling over obscure
passages in the Book of Revelation and more time with the
straightforward language of Matthew 6:19, "Do not store up for
yourselves treasures on earth."
Or Matthew 19:21, where Jesus advises a rich man:
"Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. . . . It will
be hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
So I challenge the authors to a bet: if the events of the Apocalypse
arrive in the next 10 years, then I'll donate $500 to the battle
against the Antichrist; if it doesn't, you donate $500 to a charity of
my choosing that fights poverty - and bigotry.
Gentlemen, do we have a deal?
____________________________________________________________
What would the America be without our resident cretins?
harry
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| User: "Liberals Love America" |
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24 Nov 2004 05:23:06 PM |
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"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
Just means you a real Christian. You must have read the same Bible I
read. Bush lovers read the one that says Kill, Kill, Kill them all.I am an
atheist but I have extreme respect for the words of Jesus Christ. While I
don't see him as a god I do see him as a great moral philosopher.
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24 Nov 2004 08:31:25 PM |
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"Liberals Love America" <jk2112@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:88SdnRz-yLgoijjcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
Just means you a real Christian. You must have read the same Bible I
read. Bush lovers read the one that says Kill, Kill, Kill them all.I am an
atheist but I have extreme respect for the words of Jesus Christ. While I
don't see him as a god I do see him as a great moral philosopher.
--
CB
Romans 13
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have
praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that
which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is
the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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| User: "Auntie Christian" |
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24 Nov 2004 11:31:01 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:31:25 -0800, CB wrote
(in article <co3g5v$mfo$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>):
"Liberals Love America" <jk2112@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:88SdnRz-yLgoijjcRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
Just means you a real Christian. You must have read the same Bible I
read. Bush lovers read the one that says Kill, Kill, Kill them all.I am an
atheist but I have extreme respect for the words of Jesus Christ. While I
don't see him as a god I do see him as a great moral philosopher.
CB
Romans 13
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have
praise of the same:
i.e.; what comes around goes around...so far so good...
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that
which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is
the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil
Ohh, ouch this one hurts, another 9/11 on the way...but then again everyone
and their pet goat already knows that don't they? DON'T THEY??
I should hope so...one terrorist is more patient than the collective American
population - eh?
--
If you buy into religion, expect to get short changed ~:)
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24 Nov 2004 06:29:57 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:23:06 -0800, Liberals Love America wrote
(in article <88SdnRz-yLgoijjcRVn-gg@comcast.com>):
"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
Just means you a real Christian. You must have read the same Bible I
read. Bush lovers read the one that says Kill, Kill, Kill them all.I am an
atheist but I have extreme respect for the words of Jesus Christ. While I
don't see him as a god I do see him as a great moral philosopher.
What so laughable me about the morons who spread this gnathal blather is that
Jesus has no personally penned/penciled/inked archived writings (that I can
find, please show me they exist) so his "philosophy" is nothing more than
man-made stories, changed and passed-on over the last 1,900+ years. Why do
you think there are at least 27 (or more) Denominations of Christianity
interpreting/spewing their version of The Babble?
Has anyone told somebody at the office of an incident and the next day hears
about the same EXACT incident and it it hardly recognizable as the story is
told once again?
Nobody today knows what the hell Jesus ever said, or as fact would have it,
he existed at all...it's what makes Christianity the grandest lie of all
time...
--
"Everyone is an idiot sooner or later, usually sooner. It's what you choose
to do with your stupidity that makes you stand below the morons..."
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| User: "GodsTruth" |
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24 Nov 2004 08:29:27 PM |
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Well, I can see your point but I like to refer you to the words of the Lords
Prayer. This is the prayer that Jesus actually wrote.
Also, Jesus simply said:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the
second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these
two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
There few sentences by Jesus speak volumes about the nature of God and the
way we are supposed to live in order to have inner peace and joy!!!!
One thing I like to add is that the Holy Spirit testifies that Jesus is the
Son of God.
I know for anyone who doesnt know what the Holy Spirit is or how to
experience Him really would never be able to honestly say they know that
Jesus is the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit as refered to by Jesus as the Comforter and the witness that
He is the Son of God.
I have personally experienced the Holy Spirit and I can tell you without the
shadow of doubt that Jesus is the Son of God and that God is very real and
alive. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual glue that binds us all to God. It is
the Holy Spirit that gives us joy and peace and binds us to the nature of
God.
God is Love and not greed, revenge or hate. He loves all His creations no
matter how small or not as intelligent as us humans. They all have God's
spirit just the same.
Jesus tried to teach everyone how to find their inner peace and how that is
done by having the Holy Spirit in their hearts and having a one on one
relationship with God.
Unfortunately, most people ignored his teachings and try to find their
happpiness through weath, fame, and power only to find misery, anxiety and
no lasting joy in their hearts.
Maybe they will figure it out so their life on this Earth can be joyest and
peaceful.
Sorry for the preaching but since you kinda asked.
"Mr. Ý" <her@ic.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:23:06 -0800, Liberals Love America wrote
(in article <88SdnRz-yLgoijjcRVn-gg@comcast.com>):
"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them
and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately
kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
Just means you a real Christian. You must have read the same Bible I
read. Bush lovers read the one that says Kill, Kill, Kill them all.I am
an
atheist but I have extreme respect for the words of Jesus Christ. While
I
don't see him as a god I do see him as a great moral philosopher.
What so laughable me about the morons who spread this gnathal blather is
that
Jesus has no personally penned/penciled/inked archived writings (that I
can
find, please show me they exist) so his "philosophy" is nothing more than
man-made stories, changed and passed-on over the last 1,900+ years. Why do
you think there are at least 27 (or more) Denominations of Christianity
interpreting/spewing their version of The Babble?
Has anyone told somebody at the office of an incident and the next day
hears
about the same EXACT incident and it it hardly recognizable as the story
is
told once again?
Nobody today knows what the hell Jesus ever said, or as fact would have
it,
he existed at all...it's what makes Christianity the grandest lie of all
time...
--
"Everyone is an idiot sooner or later, usually sooner. It's what you
choose
to do with your stupidity that makes you stand below the morons..."
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| User: "Chris the Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: "Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian" |
25 Nov 2004 02:15:34 PM |
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"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<bsbpd.32126$Oc.28343@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>...
Well, I can see your point but I like to refer you to the words of the Lords
Prayer. This is the prayer that Jesus actually wrote.
And what is the proof????????????????????
Sure it's really his handwriting????
Reminds me of a hearing we had in our community when the land
of some farmers was to be condemned for a public purpose.
One fellow stood up and over-excited claimed, "God gave me
my land". My response to this was, "Produce the deed and
the church will pay you millions just for that and you can
forget your land".
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| User: "CB" |
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| Title: Re: "Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian" |
24 Nov 2004 05:23:26 PM |
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"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
So what are the Islmo-fascist mullahs teaching?
George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation
WHEREAS, It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly
to implore His protection and favor;
WHEREAS, Both the houses of Congress have, by their joint committee,
requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of
public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with
grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by
affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government
for their safety and happiness:"
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November
next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that
great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that
was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto
Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the
people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal
and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in
the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of
tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the
peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish
constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly
the national one now lately instituted' for the civil and religious liberty
with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing
useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors
which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and
supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to
pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in
public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties
properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all
the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and
constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to
protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have show
kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and
concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue,
and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto
all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be
best.
--George Washington - October 3, 1789
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| User: "Chris the Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: "Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian" |
25 Nov 2004 02:18:44 PM |
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"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote in message news:<co355g$fng$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...
"GodsTruth" <truth@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uk7pd.66129$8G4.57092@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Dont you just wish Christians would use the brains the God gave them and
think logically for once. I am a Christian but evil is evil and killing
any
living creature is evil.
Self preservation and self defense is one thing but to deliberately kill
another living creature because they are different is wrong.
So what are the Islmo-fascist mullahs teaching?
George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation
WHEREAS, It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly
to implore His protection and favor;
So what the Hell does that prove except that Washington was a
skilled politician. In a community where only a few years earlier
people were compelled by the state to attend and contribute to the
church, obviously there are lots of people who have been sucked
into the holey bibble, so what the hell -- let's give them a
proclamation.........
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| User: "GodsTruth" |
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| Title: Re: "Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian" |
24 Nov 2004 03:45:25 PM |
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Oh no its... George W. Bush... The globalist fascist pig!!!!
"!Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:acq9q0tdsbesi2q85vspo6dcapsungsumf@4ax.com...
From The New York Times, 11/24/04:
http://nytimes.com/2004/11/24/opinion/24kristof.html
Apocalypse (Almost) Now
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If America's secular liberals think they have it rough now, just wait
till the Second Coming.
The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the
U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone
who is not a born-again Christian.
The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many
Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire:
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in,
howling and screeching."
Gosh, what an uplifting scene!
If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would
furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering.
We should hold ourselves to the same standard.
Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both
e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to
protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of
non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.
"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic
and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail.
"That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of
plurality and tolerance."
Silly me.
I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to
roast everyone from the good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire,
simply because they weren't born-again Christians.
I accept that Mr. Jenkins and Mr. LaHaye are sincere.
(They base their conclusions on John 3.)
But I've sat down in Pakistani and Iraqi mosques with Muslim
fundamentalists, and they offered the same defense: they're just
applying God's word.
Now, I've often written that blue staters should be less snooty toward
fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that this column will seem
pretty snooty.
But if I praise the good work of evangelicals - like their superb
relief efforts in Darfur - I'll also condemn what I perceive as
bigotry.
A dialogue about faith must move past taboos and discuss differences
bluntly.
That's what blue staters and red staters need to do about religion and
the "Left Behind" books.
For starters, it's worth pointing out that those predicting an
apocalypse have a long and lousy record.
In America, tens of thousands of followers of William Miller waited
eagerly for Jesus to reappear on Oct. 22, 1844.
Some of these Millerites had given away all their belongings, and the
no-show was called the Great Disappointment.
In more recent times, the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970's
was Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth," selling 18 million
copies worldwide with its predictions of a Second Coming.
Then, one of the hottest best sellers in 1988 was a booklet called "88
Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988."
Oops.
Being wrong has rarely been so lucrative.
Now we have the hugely profitable "Left Behind" financial empire,
whose Web site flatly says that the authors "think this generation
will witness the end of history."
The site sells every "Left Behind" spinoff imaginable, including
screen savers, regular prophecies sent to your mobile phone,
children's versions of the books, audiobooks, graphic novels, videos,
calendars, music and a $6.50-a-month prophesy club.
This isn't religion, this is brand management.
If Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins honestly believe that the end of the
world may be imminent, why not waive royalties?
Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor
- and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?
Mr. Jenkins told me that he gives 20 to 40 percent of his income to
charity, and that's commendable.
But there are millions more where that came from.
Mr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins might spend less time puzzling over obscure
passages in the Book of Revelation and more time with the
straightforward language of Matthew 6:19, "Do not store up for
yourselves treasures on earth."
Or Matthew 19:21, where Jesus advises a rich man:
"Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. . . . It will
be hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
So I challenge the authors to a bet: if the events of the Apocalypse
arrive in the next 10 years, then I'll donate $500 to the battle
against the Antichrist; if it doesn't, you donate $500 to a charity of
my choosing that fights poverty - and bigotry.
Gentlemen, do we have a deal?
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What would the America be without our resident cretins?
harry
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