"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <minewwilhelm@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On 31-Jul-2005, <dan@dan.com> wrote:

The only mistake President Bush has made is to fail to prosecute
the
war
more vigorously.

President Bush told us Saddam could attack us with WMD in 45
minutes.
Bush
was told America was under attack while reading goat stories to
children.
He waited 7 minutes before he responded to the "attack".

It doesn't add up to a presidential response!

For a president so slow to respond, it follows that when he finally
does
get
around to doing something, it would be something inappropriate.

The "peanut gallery" speaks.

Third-person self-referential comments are allowed, but not
encouraged, as
they add nothing to the debate.

More lib whining and complaining. Even about the stupidest thnigs. Run
out
of usual left-looney barbs, we now resort to timing and second guessing
someone's thoughts in a 7 minute span. Amazing.

You delude yourself if you think we focus only on 7 minutes. Before
that while intelligence memo waited in Washington for him to read that
might have alerted those in charge that terrorists were learning to fly
airliners but not bothering to learn to land them. With your head in
the sand, you can't see that a full time president might have averted
9-11. Instead, the part timer was on vacation in Crawford.

Just shows how selective your application of time is. The 45 minute
threat from Saddam (which was an absolute lie) was repeated a thousand
times. Mushroom clouds were referred to! It was all bogus. The seven
minute delay is on tape for all to see.

It wouldn't matter what kind of evidence you had of Bush's incompetence,
whether it be process or result, you and your kind would explain it away
with some illogical explanation that only worked for you because you
were so willing to revise reality.

Seven minutes of eye blinking after being informed of an attack against
New York is only acceptable to the mindwashed. Look at the response in
New York......almost instantaneous. Look at the response of those in
Washington.......almost instantaneous. Then look at seven minutes of
leadership from the top.

Look at the incompetence of leadership in the planning of Post invasion
Iraq. Remember the 100,000 trained Iraqis Bush bragged about last year
only to have the new leader of Iraq change the numbers. We still don't
have that many trained. If you guys were as good at planning as you are
lying and making excuses. We would be winning over there right now,
instead of planning a retreat.


Randy R. Cox

If Bush had immediately stopped everything he was doing in that now
infamous classroom, how could the results of 9/11 been changed?

We'll never know now, will we? Still stuck on those 7 minutes, I see.
lol



The following are all uncontroversial facts reported in the mainstream
media:

On or about Jan. 20th, 2001, as the Clinton administration transitioned
to the Bush, NSC chief Sandy Berger briefed Condi Rice extensively on the
terrorism threat posed by bin Laden, telling her she would be spending
more time on this threat than she ever imagined. At the Dept. of Defense,
William Cohen was performing the same courtesy for Don Rumsfeld, again
with a sharp reminder of the terrorist threat in the form of a
hand-written
letter to Rumsfeld containing the phone numbers of people in the Pentagon
Rumsfeld needed to speak to directly on the subject. On Jan. 26th, the CIA
confirmed to the new Bush administration that bin Laden and Al Qaeda were
responsible for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole which killed 17 American
sailors.

The response of the Bush administration was to cease Predator drone
surveillance flights to track bin Laden, reassign the cruise-missile
equipped submarine stationed in the Indian Ocean with the specific mission
of targeting bin Laden, reassign the AC-130 gunships on scramble alert
that
could be on top of bin Laden after a six hour flight, suspend the special
forces operations targeting bin Laden already based in Uzbekistan for the
purpose thanks to a treaty signed by Bill Clinton.

In May, June and July, the sole remaining Clinton appointee, CIA Director
Tenet, was frantic with concern over incoming intelligence indicating a
huge
terrorist attack on American soil. Vice-President ***** Cheney was head
of a
new counter-terrorism task force, yet held no meetings. Attorney General
John Ashcroft refused FBI requests for hundreds of new agents to be
assigned
to counter-terrorism; his concerns were drugs and pornography, yet in late
July he stopped flying commercial airliners due to a "threat assessment."
The general threat assessment was considered to be the most severe in
decades
according to CIA's Tenet; members of the Senate Intelligence Committee
were
briefed on the situation on July 5th.

Also in July, an Arizona FBI agent wrote the 'Phoenix Memo,' expressing
concern about possible Al Qaeda members taking flying lessons in this
country towards the end of terrorist attacks. One of the two FBI officials
to see it before the attacks was New York counter-terrorism chief John
O'Neill; contemporaneous with the timing of this memo was O'Neill's
remarks
to the authors of 'Bin Laden: The Hidden Truth,' wherein O'Neill expressed
his outrage with the Bush administration's thwarting of counter-terrorist
efforts in the interests of protecting its Saudi sponsors. John O'Neill
would soon quit the FBI in disgust, only to die at his new job as chief of
security at the WTC.

Also in July, the FAA rescinded the rule allowing airline pilots to be
armed,
a rule that had been in force since 1961.

August found George W. Bush 'vacationing' for the entire month in rural
Texas, while ***** Cheney similarly spent the month in rural Wyoming. On
August 1st actor James Woods as flying from Logan to Los Angeles, sharing
1st class with four Middle Eastern men, who ate nothing, drank nothing,
read nothing, nor slept the entire flight, only making occasional low
comments to one another. Woods remarked to the flight attendant that
'These
guys act like they're going to hijack the plane,' and once the plane
landed
he repeated his concerns to the FAA. All four men were hijackers on Sept.
11th. On Aug. 6th, Bush himself was apparently finally briefed about the
specific threat of attacks on American soil. His vacation continued. On
Aug.
17th, the Minneapolis FBI office arrested Zacarias Moussaoui, on the basis
of an expired student visa and very curious pilot training requests. FBI
field agents at this office were convinced of Moussaoui's intentions as a
terrorist, and repeatedly tried to obtain a FISA (Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act) warrant to search his computer. In early Sept., French
Intelligence informed both the CIA and the FBI that Moussaoui had Al Qaeda
connections. A FISA warrant remained ungranted against Moussaoui, even
though under Clinton and Janet Reno no FISA request had been refused.

As an interesting aside, before 9/11 Ashcroft was known to put in 3 1/2
day
work weeks at the Dept. of Justice. In the early months of the
administration,
FBI agents flew to Ashcroft's home in rural Missouri to obtain his
signature
on a wire-tap for a terrorism investigation. Ashcroft was so displeased to
see the agents, he had them stand out in the cold while he sat in his
pickup
to read and sign the documents.

On Sept. 4th, Cheney's counter-terrorism task force met for the first
time.
According to the Pentagon's liaison for terrorism, Gen. Kerrik, Clinton's
had met almost weekly, but with Bush he "didn't see that same kind of
focus."
On Sept. 10, Diane Feinstein, a member of the Senate Intelligence
Committee
briefed on July 5th, asked ***** Cheney's chief of staff Scooter Libby when
the administration would start focusing on these terror threats which had
so pre-occupied CIA's Tenet, the most severe in decades - she was told it
would have to wait another six months.

So, obviously, it's all Clinton's fault.

Pre-9/11 And The Bush Administration. It's All Clinton's Fault, Right?

by Kent Southard

On 1-Aug-2005, "Wayne H. Wilhelm" <minewwilhelm@neo.rr.com> wrote:

The only mistake President Bush has made is to fail to prosecute
the
war
more vigorously.

President Bush told us Saddam could attack us with WMD in 45
minutes.
Bush
was told America was under attack while reading goat stories to
children.
He waited 7 minutes before he responded to the "attack".

It doesn't add up to a presidential response!

For a president so slow to respond, it follows that when he
finally
does
get
around to doing something, it would be something inappropriate.

The "peanut gallery" speaks.

Third-person self-referential comments are allowed, but not
encouraged,
as
they add nothing to the debate.

More lib whining and complaining. Even about the stupidest thnigs. Run
out
of usual left-looney barbs, we now resort to timing and second
guessing
someone's thoughts in a 7 minute span. Amazing.

You delude yourself if you think we focus only on 7 minutes. Before
that
while intelligence memo waited in Washington for him to read that might
have alerted those in charge that terrorists were learning to fly
airliners but not bothering to learn to land them. With your head in
the
sand, you can't see that a full time president might have averted 9-11.
Instead, the part timer was on vacation in Crawford.

Just shows how selective your application of time is. The 45 minute
threat from Saddam (which was an absolute lie) was repeated a thousand
times. Mushroom clouds were referred to! It was all bogus. The seven
minute delay is on tape for all to see.

It wouldn't matter what kind of evidence you had of Bush's
incompetence,
whether it be process or result, you and your kind would explain it
away
with some illogical explanation that only worked for you because you
were
so willing to revise reality.

Seven minutes of eye blinking after being informed of an attack against
New York is only acceptable to the mindwashed. Look at the response
in
New Y