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"effty" |
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06 Apr 2006 06:46:09 PM |
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John Kerry equivocates too much! |
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
~e.
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| User: "XTS" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry equivocates too much! |
06 Apr 2006 09:32:35 PM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
~e.
Then you did not see his speech live today on the floor of the senate. It
was on C-Span. It was a fine moment. But, if you are convinced ottherwise,
thats OK too.
You wrote this, I find interesting.
"How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?"
Its a sound bite out of a republican Anti-Kerry ad from 2004.
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| User: "effty" |
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07 Apr 2006 01:25:38 PM |
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"XTS" <xts@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive
statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
~e.
Then you did not see his speech live today on the floor of the senate. It
was on C-Span. It was a fine moment. But, if you are convinced ottherwise,
thats OK too.
You wrote this, I find interesting.
"How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?"
Its a sound bite out of a republican Anti-Kerry ad from 2004.
I didn't see the C-Span. I saw two interviews he did yesterday. I thought
they were both awful. He has a weird inability to keep it simple. He tries
to leave nothing in any statement that can be attacked, and in doing so he
makes really bad statements. His sense of humor is awkward at best. He
needs to fire his make-up person and do something about his eyebrows.
I've seen one or two of his speeches that I liked, but he didn't win me the
way Gore did. I voted for him, but I was really just voting against Bush.
If I had realized that both are Yale bonesmen I would have probably stayed
home. Maybe he is a good guy, but he's not a good politician.
God! Did I really parrot an anti-Kerry ad? Great. Now I *know* I'm
brainwashed!
LOL!
~e.
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry equivocates too much! |
06 Apr 2006 06:49:49 PM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5LhZf.55741$Fc.16002
@trnddc08:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive
statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
FLIP: Bush nominates Harriet Miers, says he with stand by her.
FLOP: Bush withdraws her nomination in face of rightwing flak.
FLIP: Bush says he will veto any bill that limits torture.
FLOP: Bush says he will sign the torture ban after all.
FLIP: Bush opposes campaign finance reform.
FLOP: Bush signs campaign finance reform.
FLIP: Bush opposes and stalls a 9/11 commission.
FLOP: Bush supports it.
FLIP: Bush is against deficits
FLOP: Bush's policies create the highest deficits ever.
FLIP: Bush is against nation building.
FLOP: Bush engages in it.
FLIP: Bush opposes an Iraq WMD investigation.
FLOP: Bush grudgingly supports it.
FLIP: Bush is for free trade.
FLOP: Bush imposes tariffs on steel.
FLIP: Bush is against a Homeland Security Department
FLOP: Bush takes credit for it.
FLIP: Bush is for states' right to decide on gay marriage.
FLOP: Bush then proposes amending the Constitution so they can't.
FLIP: Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli
Palestinian conflict.
FLOP: Bush then pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
FLIP: Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire,
police, emergency).
FLOP: Bush dramatically shortchanges law enforcement.
FLIP: Bush in 2001-"The most important thing is for us to find
Osama bin Laden."
FLOP: Bush in 2002-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
I really don't care."
FLIP: Bush says he'll take care of the environment.
FLOP: Bush then guts laws that protect the environment.
FLIP: Bush talks about helping education.
FLOP: Bush increases mandates while cutting funding.
FLIP: Bush goes to Bob Jones University.
FLOP: Bush then says he shouldn't have.
FLIP: Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote
on whether to sanction military action against Iraq.
FLOP: Bush then changes his mind and announced he would not
call for a vote.
FLIP: Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up
by the sailors.
FLOP: Bush later blames his advance team.
FLIP: Bush says he was never arrested after 1968.
FLOP: Bush admits 1976 drunk driving conviction.
FLIP: Bush says he has been "very candid" about his past.
FLOP: Bush refuses to answer any question about drug use.
FLIP: Bush says he would have gone to Vietnam if called.
FLOP: Guard papers show he declined any overseas duty.
FLIP: Bush promised an "open, honest" administration.
FLOP: Bush sets new records in government secrecy
and censorship.
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| User: "effty" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry equivocates too much! |
07 Apr 2006 01:25:38 PM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5LhZf.55741$Fc.16002
@trnddc08:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive
statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
Man, I wouldn't say for a minute that Bush hasn't flip-flopped on anything.
He's also betrayed every possible value of the Republican party (the
ultimate flip-flop.) He does have his talking points down though. He
stands for "freedums" and the "war on terrer" and all sorts of things Rove
told him people can understand.
I'll never understand why Kerry got the nomination. Bush and Kerry do seem
to work toward the same end at times.
~e.
FLIP: Bush nominates Harriet Miers, says he with stand by her.
FLOP: Bush withdraws her nomination in face of rightwing flak.
FLIP: Bush says he will veto any bill that limits torture.
FLOP: Bush says he will sign the torture ban after all.
FLIP: Bush opposes campaign finance reform.
FLOP: Bush signs campaign finance reform.
FLIP: Bush opposes and stalls a 9/11 commission.
FLOP: Bush supports it.
FLIP: Bush is against deficits
FLOP: Bush's policies create the highest deficits ever.
FLIP: Bush is against nation building.
FLOP: Bush engages in it.
FLIP: Bush opposes an Iraq WMD investigation.
FLOP: Bush grudgingly supports it.
FLIP: Bush is for free trade.
FLOP: Bush imposes tariffs on steel.
FLIP: Bush is against a Homeland Security Department
FLOP: Bush takes credit for it.
FLIP: Bush is for states' right to decide on gay marriage.
FLOP: Bush then proposes amending the Constitution so they can't.
FLIP: Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli
Palestinian conflict.
FLOP: Bush then pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
FLIP: Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire,
police, emergency).
FLOP: Bush dramatically shortchanges law enforcement.
FLIP: Bush in 2001-"The most important thing is for us to find
Osama bin Laden."
FLOP: Bush in 2002-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
I really don't care."
FLIP: Bush says he'll take care of the environment.
FLOP: Bush then guts laws that protect the environment.
FLIP: Bush talks about helping education.
FLOP: Bush increases mandates while cutting funding.
FLIP: Bush goes to Bob Jones University.
FLOP: Bush then says he shouldn't have.
FLIP: Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote
on whether to sanction military action against Iraq.
FLOP: Bush then changes his mind and announced he would not
call for a vote.
FLIP: Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up
by the sailors.
FLOP: Bush later blames his advance team.
FLIP: Bush says he was never arrested after 1968.
FLOP: Bush admits 1976 drunk driving conviction.
FLIP: Bush says he has been "very candid" about his past.
FLOP: Bush refuses to answer any question about drug use.
FLIP: Bush says he would have gone to Vietnam if called.
FLOP: Guard papers show he declined any overseas duty.
FLIP: Bush promised an "open, honest" administration.
FLOP: Bush sets new records in government secrecy
and censorship.
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| User: "ggg" |
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06 Apr 2006 10:20:55 PM |
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Yes, Bush did all that flip-flopping ...but I have to agree with effty -
Kerry needs some good clearing of his message/vision ...
what good was that Bush looked like an idiot chimp next to Kerry during the
3 debates, when Kerry was not able to keep it clear and straight ???
To be a really good politician you need to have them both: intelligence and
the capability to cut short the philosophy when talking to millions of
attention-defficit-disordered Americans ... while the intelligence is
missing from Dush, he has plenty of aides possesing both the qualities above
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5LhZf.55741$Fc.16002
@trnddc08:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive
statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
FLIP: Bush nominates Harriet Miers, says he with stand by her.
FLOP: Bush withdraws her nomination in face of rightwing flak.
FLIP: Bush says he will veto any bill that limits torture.
FLOP: Bush says he will sign the torture ban after all.
FLIP: Bush opposes campaign finance reform.
FLOP: Bush signs campaign finance reform.
FLIP: Bush opposes and stalls a 9/11 commission.
FLOP: Bush supports it.
FLIP: Bush is against deficits
FLOP: Bush's policies create the highest deficits ever.
FLIP: Bush is against nation building.
FLOP: Bush engages in it.
FLIP: Bush opposes an Iraq WMD investigation.
FLOP: Bush grudgingly supports it.
FLIP: Bush is for free trade.
FLOP: Bush imposes tariffs on steel.
FLIP: Bush is against a Homeland Security Department
FLOP: Bush takes credit for it.
FLIP: Bush is for states' right to decide on gay marriage.
FLOP: Bush then proposes amending the Constitution so they can't.
FLIP: Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli
Palestinian conflict.
FLOP: Bush then pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
FLIP: Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire,
police, emergency).
FLOP: Bush dramatically shortchanges law enforcement.
FLIP: Bush in 2001-"The most important thing is for us to find
Osama bin Laden."
FLOP: Bush in 2002-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
I really don't care."
FLIP: Bush says he'll take care of the environment.
FLOP: Bush then guts laws that protect the environment.
FLIP: Bush talks about helping education.
FLOP: Bush increases mandates while cutting funding.
FLIP: Bush goes to Bob Jones University.
FLOP: Bush then says he shouldn't have.
FLIP: Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote
on whether to sanction military action against Iraq.
FLOP: Bush then changes his mind and announced he would not
call for a vote.
FLIP: Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up
by the sailors.
FLOP: Bush later blames his advance team.
FLIP: Bush says he was never arrested after 1968.
FLOP: Bush admits 1976 drunk driving conviction.
FLIP: Bush says he has been "very candid" about his past.
FLOP: Bush refuses to answer any question about drug use.
FLIP: Bush says he would have gone to Vietnam if called.
FLOP: Guard papers show he declined any overseas duty.
FLIP: Bush promised an "open, honest" administration.
FLOP: Bush sets new records in government secrecy
and censorship.
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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06 Apr 2006 11:54:26 PM |
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"ggg" <tom0097@comcast.net> wrote in
news:25OdnZMifsA8R6jZRVn-jg@comcast.com:
Yes, Bush did all that flip-flopping ...but I have to agree with effty -
Kerry needs some good clearing of his message/vision ...
what good was that Bush looked like an idiot chimp next to Kerry during
the 3 debates, when Kerry was not able to keep it clear and straight ???
Are you talking about the debates where
Bush had that mysterious square hump in the
middle of his back with the doubtless wire
to an earpiece?
http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2004/10/299473.jpg
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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06 Apr 2006 07:51:02 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:46:09 GMT, "effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
~e.
After watching him on Chris Matthews "Hardball" tonight: I'd have to
say that he can be defined as an Iran-War hawk.
That seems to be the reason that he wants to draw down U.S. forces
in Iraq (as I suspected).........He wants to both pander to the
antiwar crowd and move U.S. solders out of harms way in Iraq for a
bombing campaign directed at Iran's nuclear facilities.
John Kerry didn't sign off on the Iraq war for no reason.......He
answers to the same special interests that Bush does.
--
other choices:
www.lp.org
www.gp.org
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| User: "Dion" |
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06 Apr 2006 08:03:20 PM |
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"can_o_worms" <can_o_worms@bogus.com> wrote in message
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John Kerry didn't sign off on the Iraq war for no reason.......He
answers to the same special interests that Bush does.
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other choices:
Feingold, Gore, Dean, Kucinich
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Dion
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched,
and the persons or things to be seized.
"The President has broken the law,
and the censure resolution I introduced
is intended to hold him accountable.
Nobody says that we shouldn't be
monitoring suspected terrorists. Of
course we should, and we can under
current law. We have yet to hear a
reasonable argument from the president
or anyone else why it was necessary to
break the law." Russ Feingold
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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06 Apr 2006 08:16:02 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:03:20 -0400, "Dion" <dionnoreturn@comcast.net>
wrote:
John Kerry didn't sign off on the Iraq war for no reason.......He
answers to the same special interests that Bush does.
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other choices:
Feingold, Gore, Dean, Kucinich
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Dion
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched,
and the persons or things to be seized.
"The President has broken the law,
and the censure resolution I introduced
is intended to hold him accountable.
Nobody says that we shouldn't be
monitoring suspected terrorists. Of
course we should, and we can under
current law. We have yet to hear a
reasonable argument from the president
or anyone else why it was necessary to
break the law." Russ Feingold
Feingold is a good choice alright but I'd have to
register as a Democrat in order to vote for him in
the Washington State primaries. If it looks like he
might do well.....I just might.
Wouldn't trust Gore to stay clear of Iran-war interests
and Kucinich doesn't stand a chance to win the Democratic
nomination.
I don't think Yosemite Sam will run again.
--
other choices:
www.lp.org
www.gp.org
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| User: "Dion" |
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06 Apr 2006 08:55:57 PM |
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"can_o_worms" <can_o_worms@bogus.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:03:20 -0400, "Dion" <dionnoreturn@comcast.net>
wrote:
other choices:
Feingold, Gore, Dean, Kucinich
I don't think Yosemite Sam will run again.
Dean has helped me believe that a *good* politician still can be found in a
country filled with so much political graft. He's not as polished as a
president should be but after Bush, Elmer Fudd is a step up. On a serious
note, I think you're right in that Dean will not run again. Feingold sure
seems *real* as well as moral. *Real* is a quality I want to see in our next
president. Kerry isn't *real* but don't sell Gore short. He's a born again
man. Born into what seems to be a *Real* person with values he can convey
without talking down to us like he did in 2000. If a third party had a
chance to win, I'd look at them but to date third party seems to only help
get the GOP elected. I can not support any party that whether directly or
indirectly ... they help the GOP.
Feingold/Obama '08
--
Dion
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause, supported
by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched,
and the persons or things to be seized.
"The President has broken the law,
and the censure resolution I introduced
is intended to hold him accountable.
Nobody says that we shouldn't be
monitoring suspected terrorists. Of
course we should, and we can under
current law. We have yet to hear a
reasonable argument from the president
or anyone else why it was necessary to
break the law." Russ Feingold
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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06 Apr 2006 09:31:02 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:55:57 -0400, "Dion" <dionnoreturn@comcast.net>
wrote:
"can_o_worms" <can_o_worms@bogus.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:03:20 -0400, "Dion" <dionnoreturn@comcast.net>
wrote:
other choices:
Feingold, Gore, Dean, Kucinich
I don't think Yosemite Sam will run again.
Dean has helped me believe that a *good* politician still can be found in a
country filled with so much political graft. He's not as polished as a
president should be but after Bush, Elmer Fudd is a step up. On a serious
note, I think you're right in that Dean will not run again. Feingold sure
seems *real* as well as moral. *Real* is a quality I want to see in our next
president. Kerry isn't *real* but don't sell Gore short. He's a born again
man. Born into what seems to be a *Real* person with values he can convey
without talking down to us like he did in 2000. If a third party had a
chance to win, I'd look at them but to date third party seems to only help
get the GOP elected. I can not support any party that whether directly or
indirectly ... they help the GOP.
Feingold/Obama '08
Well I showed for Dean in the '04 WA State caucuses (didn't have to
register as a Democrat then)
Gore took on warmongering security Democrat Lieberman for a running
mate which was probably politic but certainly not to my liking then or
now.
Feingold is the guy but if he fails to win the nomination I'll have no
choice but to make my statement with a third party candidate as I've
done since '96. The reason we don't have good choices
in the two major parties (Feingold excepted) is because we don't
give the third parties the opportunity to compete in ideas.
Imagine a Presidential race in '08 without anti Iran-War voters
having a choice! (or at least a candidate that wants to try more
carrot than stick with the Mullahs) When it comes to Libertarians:
They are sure to steal disgruntled fiscal conservatives from the
G.O.P. in '08 to as much a degree than Greens might steal
antiwar Democrats.
But then Libertarians are going to take antiwar Democrats too if
the Democrats give preference to their special interests over the
voters again in '08. Hell the Dems should have taken the Presidency
in '04 but they didn't offer the choice......Or even have a candidate
in line who was smart enough to not have voted for the Iraq war.
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2006 08:08:18 PM |
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Ya know what is really bad, Gerald Ford. Ya know, he would trip a lot
and was a dork for doing that Whip Inflation Now. Right up there with
him is Bush... Sr.
Maybe we can bring up Barry Goldwater next. Anyone else know of any
Republican candidates that lost elections and are no longer in power?
- Richard Hutnik
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry equivocates too much! |
07 Apr 2006 01:32:50 PM |
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effty wrote:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
Really? Hm.
"If the president of the United States is authorizing leaks of
classified material in order to destroy people who oppose his point of
view, or go after them, then something is really unbelievably wrong
with their standards, as well as the lack of accountability in this
administration." - Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.
That doesn't seem to be very wishy-washy to me.
Matt
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| User: "effty" |
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07 Apr 2006 05:35:26 PM |
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"Matt" <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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effty wrote:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive
statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
Really? Hm.
"If the president of the United States is authorizing leaks of
classified material in order to destroy people who oppose his point of
view, or go after them, then something is really unbelievably wrong
with their standards, as well as the lack of accountability in this
administration." - Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.
That doesn't seem to be very wishy-washy to me.
Matt
Yeah, that was undoubtedly the best part of everything he said.
If he could just say that over and over again for the next 7 months I'd be
happy.
~e.
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2006 07:26:55 PM |
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effty wrote:
Everything he says is wishy-washy. He avoids making definitive statements
like the plague. He avoids taking any sort of stand.
How are people supposed to define him if he doesn't define himself?
That's a common complaint by those who can barely comprehend the
English language.
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