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Date: 01 Jan 2004 06:26:31 PM
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Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage
By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 01/01/2004)
A French journalist fired for accusing the country's
press of blinkered anti-Americanism during the Iraq war
said yesterday he had realised the extent of French
bias by reading The Telegraph.
In his book, La Guerre a Outrances - Comment la presse
nous a desinformŽ sur l'Irak (The War of Outrages - How
the press disinformed us on Iraq), M Hertoghe attacked
French reporters for continually predicting that the
war would end in disaster for American and British forces.
French journalists were "dreaming of an American
defeat", he wrote and from the earliest days of the war
predicted a "new Vietnam" or "Saddamgrad" after every
American casualty.
He said he realised that this pessimistic view was
inaccurate by reading accounts from journalists
embedded with coalition forces.
But his biggest influence was the columns written by
The Daily Telegraph's Defence Editor, Sir John Keegan,
whom he quotes dozens of times in the book's 200 pages.
"When you read [Sir John's] columns, you get the
impression that he is describing a completely different
war than the one unfolding in the French press," he
said. "History has shown that his was the correct analysis."
For instance, on March 25, less than a week after the
start of the allied offensive, while most French papers
were giving warning of a "military quagmire", Sir John
remarked that the coalition advance of 300 miles in
four days was "one of the fastest advances ever
achieved, surpassing that of the British liberation
army in the dash from the Seine to Brussels in 1944".
M Hertoghe said: "French readers simply cannot
understand how British and American forces won the war
so fast."
In the book, M Hertoghe, 44, a Belgian, examined
articles and editorials from his own paper, La Croix,
as well as the conservative Le Figaro, centre-Left Le
Monde, Left-wing Liberation and the regional paper Ouest-France.
He charges all of them with "collective misdemeanours"
resulting from a mixture of journalistic and French arrogance.
M Hertoghe, the former assistant editor of La Croix's
online edition, said the reasons for this failure were threefold.
He argued that, because three quarters of reports on
Iraq were written from Paris, journalists were
influenced by the national anti-American mood and above
all hatred of President George W Bush.
Second, President Jacques Chirac's intransigence,
coupled with the panache of his foreign minister,
Dominique de Villepin, produced a collective sense that
France had recovered its position as an international heavyweight.
Third, journalists were swayed by a misguided
fraternity with any Arab state or regime that opposed
Mr Bush or Tony Blair. "They knew Saddam was a bad man,
but at least he would teach the Americans a lesson,"
said M Hertoghe.
"Reading French dailies, you are under the impression
that America, apart from a handful of admirable
pacifists, is full of unpleasant brainless, selfish and
violent 'patriots'," he wrote. Some editorials even put
Mr Bush on a par with Saddam.
M Hertoghe was fired on Dec 15 for a "loss of
confidence" following the book's release. He said he
received a letter from La Croix listing four points,
including damaging the newspaper's reputation. He told
The Telegraph yesterday that he was considering legal
action for wrongful dismissal.
Despite rave reviews in Belgium, the book hardly raised
an eyebrow in France.
Daniel Schneidermann, recently fired by Le Monde for
criticising the paper's management, lamented the lack
of debate over the book.
In a column in Liberation, he described the French
national press as being "in crisis" over its ability to
honestly inform the public.
© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.
--
As Orwell pointed out long ago, pacifism in the face of
armed evil is equivalent to a blind worship of force.
It would be disastrous to entrust our children's fate
to the hands of these sad and complicitous pacifists.
.

User: "Steve"

Title: Re: Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage 03 Jan 2004 06:24:24 PM
wrote in message news:<3FF4B986.76723781@suntimesmail.com>...

 
Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage

By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 01/01/2004)

A French journalist fired for accusing the country's
press of blinkered anti-Americanism during the Iraq war
said yesterday he had realised the extent of French
bias by reading The Telegraph.

In his book, La Guerre a Outrances - Comment la presse
nous a desinform? sur l'Irak (The War of Outrages - How
the press disinformed us on Iraq), M Hertoghe attacked
French reporters for continually predicting that the
war would end in disaster for American and British forces.

French journalists were "dreaming of an American
defeat", he wrote and from the earliest days of the war
predicted a "new Vietnam" or "Saddamgrad" after every
American casualty.

He said he realised that this pessimistic view was
inaccurate by reading accounts from journalists
embedded with coalition forces.

But his biggest influence was the columns written by
The Daily Telegraph's Defence Editor, Sir John Keegan,
whom he quotes dozens of times in the book's 200 pages.

"When you read [Sir John's] columns, you get the
impression that he is describing a completely different
war than the one unfolding in the French press," he
said. "History has shown that his was the correct analysis."

For instance, on March 25, less than a week after the
start of the allied offensive, while most French papers
were giving warning of a "military quagmire", Sir John
remarked that the coalition advance of 300 miles in
four days was "one of the fastest advances ever
achieved, surpassing that of the British liberation
army in the dash from the Seine to Brussels in 1944".

M Hertoghe said: "French readers simply cannot
understand how British and American forces won the war
so fast."

In the book, M Hertoghe, 44, a Belgian, examined
articles and editorials from his own paper, La Croix,
as well as the conservative Le Figaro, centre-Left Le
Monde, Left-wing Liberation and the regional paper Ouest-France.

He charges all of them with "collective misdemeanours"
resulting from a mixture of journalistic and French arrogance.

M Hertoghe, the former assistant editor of La Croix's
online edition, said the reasons for this failure were threefold.

He argued that, because three quarters of reports on
Iraq were written from Paris, journalists were
influenced by the national anti-American mood and above
all hatred of President George W Bush.

Second, President Jacques Chirac's intransigence,
coupled with the panache of his foreign minister,
Dominique de Villepin, produced a collective sense that
France had recovered its position as an international heavyweight.

Third, journalists were swayed by a misguided
fraternity with any Arab state or regime that opposed
Mr Bush or Tony Blair. "They knew Saddam was a bad man,
but at least he would teach the Americans a lesson,"
said M Hertoghe.

"Reading French dailies, you are under the impression
that America, apart from a handful of admirable
pacifists, is full of unpleasant brainless, selfish and
violent 'patriots'," he wrote. Some editorials even put
Mr Bush on a par with Saddam.

M Hertoghe was fired on Dec 15 for a "loss of
confidence" following the book's release. He said he
received a letter from La Croix listing four points,
including damaging the newspaper's reputation. He told
The Telegraph yesterday that he was considering legal
action for wrongful dismissal.

Despite rave reviews in Belgium, the book hardly raised
an eyebrow in France.

Daniel Schneidermann, recently fired by Le Monde for
criticising the paper's management, lamented the lack
of debate over the book.

In a column in Liberation, he described the French
national press as being "in crisis" over its ability to
honestly inform the public.

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.

All very fine except Iraq has become a quagmire. Americans are being
killed and seriously wounded every day. The principal reason for the
war, that is to destroy Saddam's WMD and make Iraq a democracy has yet
to be achieved as no WMD have been found and no democracy yet exists
in Iraq. The war has not yet been won. It wont be until the stated war
aims have been achieved. The real truth is that no newspapers on
either side of the pond have told the whole truth.
Especially the Telegraph and especially embedded reporters.
Stevel
.
User: "edward ohare"

Title: Re: Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage 04 Jan 2004 12:43:58 AM
On 3 Jan 2004 16:24:24 -0800,
(Steve) wrote:

All very fine except Iraq has become a quagmire. Americans are being
killed and seriously wounded every day. The principal reason for the
war, that is to destroy Saddam's WMD and make Iraq a democracy has yet
to be achieved as no WMD have been found and no democracy yet exists
in Iraq. The war has not yet been won.

Well, yes. Its not over until the other side gives up.

It wont be until the stated war
aims have been achieved.

Hmmm... what about the unstated war aims?

The real truth is that no newspapers on
either side of the pond have told the whole truth.
Especially the Telegraph and especially embedded reporters.

The US press is baffling to me. I grew up during an era when a
substantial portion of the press was, while not automatically
pro-government policy, at least asked the tough questions. Now, it
might as well be the government's cheerleading squad.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage 03 Jan 2004 06:42:06 PM
Steve wrote:


red_len@suntimesmail.com wrote in message news:<3FF4B986.76723781@suntimesmail.com>...

 
Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage

By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 01/01/2004)

A French journalist fired for accusing the country's
press of blinkered anti-Americanism during the Iraq war
said yesterday he had realised the extent of French
bias by reading The Telegraph.

In his book, La Guerre a Outrances - Comment la presse
nous a desinform? sur l'Irak (The War of Outrages - How
the press disinformed us on Iraq), M Hertoghe attacked
French reporters for continually predicting that the
war would end in disaster for American and British forces.

French journalists were "dreaming of an American
defeat", he wrote and from the earliest days of the war
predicted a "new Vietnam" or "Saddamgrad" after every
American casualty.

He said he realised that this pessimistic view was
inaccurate by reading accounts from journalists
embedded with coalition forces.

But his biggest influence was the columns written by
The Daily Telegraph's Defence Editor, Sir John Keegan,
whom he quotes dozens of times in the book's 200 pages.

"When you read [Sir John's] columns, you get the
impression that he is describing a completely different
war than the one unfolding in the French press," he
said. "History has shown that his was the correct analysis."

For instance, on March 25, less than a week after the
start of the allied offensive, while most French papers
were giving warning of a "military quagmire", Sir John
remarked that the coalition advance of 300 miles in
four days was "one of the fastest advances ever
achieved, surpassing that of the British liberation
army in the dash from the Seine to Brussels in 1944".

M Hertoghe said: "French readers simply cannot
understand how British and American forces won the war
so fast."

In the book, M Hertoghe, 44, a Belgian, examined
articles and editorials from his own paper, La Croix,
as well as the conservative Le Figaro, centre-Left Le
Monde, Left-wing Liberation and the regional paper Ouest-France.

He charges all of them with "collective misdemeanours"
resulting from a mixture of journalistic and French arrogance.

M Hertoghe, the former assistant editor of La Croix's
online edition, said the reasons for this failure were threefold.

He argued that, because three quarters of reports on
Iraq were written from Paris, journalists were
influenced by the national anti-American mood and above
all hatred of President George W Bush.

Second, President Jacques Chirac's intransigence,
coupled with the panache of his foreign minister,
Dominique de Villepin, produced a collective sense that
France had recovered its position as an international heavyweight.

Third, journalists were swayed by a misguided
fraternity with any Arab state or regime that opposed
Mr Bush or Tony Blair. "They knew Saddam was a bad man,
but at least he would teach the Americans a lesson,"
said M Hertoghe.

"Reading French dailies, you are under the impression
that America, apart from a handful of admirable
pacifists, is full of unpleasant brainless, selfish and
violent 'patriots'," he wrote. Some editorials even put
Mr Bush on a par with Saddam.

M Hertoghe was fired on Dec 15 for a "loss of
confidence" following the book's release. He said he
received a letter from La Croix listing four points,
including damaging the newspaper's reputation. He told
The Telegraph yesterday that he was considering legal
action for wrongful dismissal.

Despite rave reviews in Belgium, the book hardly raised
an eyebrow in France.

Daniel Schneidermann, recently fired by Le Monde for
criticising the paper's management, lamented the lack
of debate over the book.

In a column in Liberation, he described the French
national press as being "in crisis" over its ability to
honestly inform the public.

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.


All very fine except Iraq has become a quagmire. Americans are being
killed and seriously wounded every day.

When do you plan to cease your mental masterbation??
As Orwell pointed out long ago, pacifism in the face of
armed evil is equivalent to a blind worship of force.
It would be disastrous to entrust our children's fate
to the hands of these sad and complicitous pacifists.
.
User: "Jeffrey Turner"

Title: Re: Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage 04 Jan 2004 05:20:36 AM
wrote:

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Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage

By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 01/01/2004)

A French journalist fired for accusing the country's
press of blinkered anti-Americanism during the Iraq war
said yesterday he had realised the extent of French
bias by reading The Telegraph.

In his book, La Guerre a Outrances - Comment la presse
nous a desinform? sur l'Irak (The War of Outrages - How
the press disinformed us on Iraq), M Hertoghe attacked
French reporters for continually predicting that the
war would end in disaster for American and British forces.

French journalists were "dreaming of an American
defeat", he wrote and from the earliest days of the war
predicted a "new Vietnam" or "Saddamgrad" after every
American casualty.

He said he realised that this pessimistic view was
inaccurate by reading accounts from journalists
embedded with coalition forces.

But his biggest influence was the columns written by
The Daily Telegraph's Defence Editor, Sir John Keegan,
whom he quotes dozens of times in the book's 200 pages.

"When you read [Sir John's] columns, you get the
impression that he is describing a completely different
war than the one unfolding in the French press," he
said. "History has shown that his was the correct analysis."

For instance, on March 25, less than a week after the
start of the allied offensive, while most French papers
were giving warning of a "military quagmire", Sir John
remarked that the coalition advance of 300 miles in
four days was "one of the fastest advances ever
achieved, surpassing that of the British liberation
army in the dash from the Seine to Brussels in 1944".

M Hertoghe said: "French readers simply cannot
understand how British and American forces won the war
so fast."

In the book, M Hertoghe, 44, a Belgian, examined
articles and editorials from his own paper, La Croix,
as well as the conservative Le Figaro, centre-Left Le
Monde, Left-wing Liberation and the regional paper Ouest-France.

He charges all of them with "collective misdemeanours"
resulting from a mixture of journalistic and French arrogance.

M Hertoghe, the former assistant editor of La Croix's
online edition, said the reasons for this failure were threefold.

He argued that, because three quarters of reports on
Iraq were written from Paris, journalists were
influenced by the national anti-American mood and above
all hatred of President George W Bush.

Second, President Jacques Chirac's intransigence,
coupled with the panache of his foreign minister,
Dominique de Villepin, produced a collective sense that
France had recovered its position as an international heavyweight.

Third, journalists were swayed by a misguided
fraternity with any Arab state or regime that opposed
Mr Bush or Tony Blair. "They knew Saddam was a bad man,
but at least he would teach the Americans a lesson,"
said M Hertoghe.

"Reading French dailies, you are under the impression
that America, apart from a handful of admirable
pacifists, is full of unpleasant brainless, selfish and
violent 'patriots'," he wrote. Some editorials even put
Mr Bush on a par with Saddam.

M Hertoghe was fired on Dec 15 for a "loss of
confidence" following the book's release. He said he
received a letter from La Croix listing four points,
including damaging the newspaper's reputation. He told
The Telegraph yesterday that he was considering legal
action for wrongful dismissal.

Despite rave reviews in Belgium, the book hardly raised
an eyebrow in France.

Daniel Schneidermann, recently fired by Le Monde for
criticising the paper's management, lamented the lack
of debate over the book.

In a column in Liberation, he described the French
national press as being "in crisis" over its ability to
honestly inform the public.

=A9 Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.


All very fine except Iraq has become a quagmire. Americans are being
killed and seriously wounded every day.=20

=20
When do you plan to cease your mental masterbation??
=20
As Orwell pointed out long ago, pacifism in the face of
armed evil is equivalent to a blind worship of force.=20
It would be disastrous to entrust our children's fate=20
to the hands of these sad and complicitous pacifists.

Iraq wasn't armed evil. Sheesh! Can you think or only blindly quote?
--Jeff
--=20
"We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal, that they
are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
--That to secure these rights, Governments
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
are instituted among Men, deriving their
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
just powers from the consent of the governed,
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes
destructive of these ends, it is the Right
of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing
its powers in such form, as to them shall seem
most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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User: "Budda"

Title: Re: Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage 03 Jan 2004 09:13:58 AM
France should be fired for their behavior not just a reporter. France
dreams of the past, when they were a country to be dealt with. The only
reason it took the Germans three weeks to capture France was bad weather.
They *****, they whine, they sell restricted arms to anyone with cash and
then complain because they are not running the world. In my opinion, France
is a third world country with visons of grandour.
France will always be our friend when they need us to defend them. For
reasons other than risking our lives for their sorry asses, we are inferior.
Just for the record, I have a lot of French ancestry and am not real proud
of that but at least back in the day, when they were always trying to make
some kind of deal to get some other country to help them beat England, they
were trying to earn a place in history instead of weasel their way in by the
back door. For example, if the Spainish Armada had beaten Lord Nelson, the
French ships would have been held in reserve, I would not doubt that after
having taken the brunt of the English fleet, France would have attacked the
Spanish and proclaimed a little short guy as God. They would have made up
songs, drank wine and road on those memories until someone else did not play
fair.
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Journalist is fired for attack on French war coverage

By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 01/01/2004)

A French journalist fired for accusing the country's
press of blinkered anti-Americanism during the Iraq war
said yesterday he had realised the extent of French
bias by reading The Telegraph.

In his book, La Guerre a Outrances - Comment la presse
nous a desinformŽ sur l'Irak (The War of Outrages - How
the press disinformed us on Iraq), M Hertoghe attacked
French reporters for continually predicting that the
war would end in disaster for American and British forces.

French journalists were "dreaming of an American
defeat", he wrote and from the earliest days of the war
predicted a "new Vietnam" or "Saddamgrad" after every
American casualty.

He said he realised that this pessimistic view was
inaccurate by reading accounts from journalists
embedded with coalition forces.

But his biggest influence was the columns written by
The Daily Telegraph's Defence Editor, Sir John Keegan,
whom he quotes dozens of times in the book's 200 pages.

"When you read [Sir John's] columns, you get the
impression that he is describing a completely different
war than the one unfolding in the French press," he
said. "History has shown that his was the correct analysis."

For instance, on March 25, less than a week after the
start of the allied offensive, while most French papers
were giving warning of a "military quagmire", Sir John
remarked that the coalition advance of 300 miles in
four days was "one of the fastest advances ever
achieved, surpassing that of the British liberation
army in the dash from the Seine to Brussels in 1944".

M Hertoghe said: "French readers simply cannot
understand how British and American forces won the war
so fast."

In the book, M Hertoghe, 44, a Belgian, examined
articles and editorials from his own paper, La Croix,
as well as the conservative Le Figaro, centre-Left Le
Monde, Left-wing Liberation and the regional paper Ouest-France.

He charges all of them with "collective misdemeanours"
resulting from a mixture of journalistic and French arrogance.

M Hertoghe, the former assistant editor of La Croix's
online edition, said the reasons for this failure were threefold.

He argued that, because three quarters of reports on
Iraq were written from Paris, journalists were
influenced by the national anti-American mood and above
all hatred of President George W Bush.

Second, President Jacques Chirac's intransigence,
coupled with the panache of his foreign minister,
Dominique de Villepin, produced a collective sense that
France had recovered its position as an international heavyweight.

Third, journalists were swayed by a misguided
fraternity with any Arab state or regime that opposed
Mr Bush or Tony Blair. "They knew Saddam was a bad man,
but at least he would teach the Americans a lesson,"
said M Hertoghe.

"Reading French dailies, you are under the impression
that America, apart from a handful of admirable
pacifists, is full of unpleasant brainless, selfish and
violent 'patriots'," he wrote. Some editorials even put
Mr Bush on a par with Saddam.

M Hertoghe was fired on Dec 15 for a "loss of
confidence" following the book's release. He said he
received a letter from La Croix listing four points,
including damaging the newspaper's reputation. He told
The Telegraph yesterday that he was considering legal
action for wrongful dismissal.

Despite rave reviews in Belgium, the book hardly raised
an eyebrow in France.

Daniel Schneidermann, recently fired by Le Monde for
criticising the paper's management, lamented the lack
of debate over the book.

In a column in Liberation, he described the French
national press as being "in crisis" over its ability to
honestly inform the public.

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.
--

As Orwell pointed out long ago, pacifism in the face of
armed evil is equivalent to a blind worship of force.
It would be disastrous to entrust our children's fate
to the hands of these sad and complicitous pacifists.

.


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