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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 28 Nov 2007 08:02:42 AM
Object: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success".
From Reuters, 11/28/07:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2749667620071128
Reporters say Baghdad too dangerous despite surge
By David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
Nearly 90 percent of U.S. journalists in Iraq say much of Baghdad is
still too dangerous to visit, despite a recent drop in violence
attributed to the build-up of U.S. forces, a poll released on
Wednesday said.
The survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center showed that
many U.S. journalists believe coverage has painted too rosy a picture
of the conflict.
A separate Pew poll released on Tuesday showed that 48 percent of
Americans believe the U.S. military effort in Iraq is going very or
fairly well, up from 34 percent in June, amid signs of declining Iraqi
civilian casualties and progress against Islamist militants such as al
Qaeda in Iraq.
But most journalists said they believe violence and the threat of
violence have increased during their tenures.
Much of the danger for journalists is faced by local Iraqis, who often
do most of the reporting outside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green
Zone, the data showed.
Fifty-eight percent of U.S. news organizations have had local Iraqi
staff killed or kidnapped within the past year, the survey said.
About two-thirds of news outlets said local staff face physical or
verbal threats at least several times a month.
"Above all, the journalists -- most of them veteran war correspondents
-- describe conditions in Iraq as the most perilous they have ever
encountered, and this above everything else is influencing the
reporting," the authors said in a report that accompanied the data.
At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed
in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the New-York based
Committee to Protect Journalists says.
About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.
Pew's Project for Excellence in Journalism surveyed 111 journalists
who have worked in Iraq for 29 news organizations, all but one of them
U.S.-based.
The poll was conducted September 28 through November 7, Pew said.
Pew had tried to reach a total of 181 journalists, which it believes
are nearly all those who have covered Iraq for American news
organizations.
The journalists gave high marks to the overall reporting effort, with
74 percent rating news-gathering as good or excellent.
The highest marks went to coverage of U.S. troops and the war against
insurgents.
Despite claims by U.S. officials that reporting from Iraq is
negatively biased, 70 percent of those surveyed believe overall
coverage is accurate, while 15 percent say the coverage makes the
situation look better than it is.
Forty-four percent of journalists believe reporting has treated the
Bush administration fairly, while 43 percent said coverage has been
too easy on U.S. officials.
But the data also showed that 67 percent are at least somewhat
concerned that the accuracy and completeness of their reports have
suffered because of ongoing security problems that limit their access
to the country.
President George W. Bush's so-called surge strategy to stabilize
Baghdad and its environs has been credited with a fall-off in attacks
on Iraqi civilians and U.S. coalition forces over the past two months.
But 87 percent of respondents said at least half of Baghdad remains
too dangerous for a Western journalist to visit, with the capital's
Shi'ite-dominated Sadr City enclave rated the most dangerous spot in
Iraq.
Eighteen percent said the entire city of Baghdad is too dangerous for
travel.
Most U.S. journalists have traveled to danger spots such as Sadr City,
either under the protection of private security guards or the U.S.
military.
"Eight in 10 journalists believe conditions have deteriorated for
reporters since their own first posting in the country," the survey's
authors said.
Under-reported subjects of the war include the plight of Iraqi
civilians, Shi'ite-on-Shi'ite violence in southern Iraq and general
events occurring outside Baghdad, journalists said.
______________________________________________
Harry
.

User: "Frank Pittel"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 28 Nov 2007 08:43:54 AM
Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll seriously.
In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: From Reuters, 11/28/07:
: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2749667620071128
: Reporters say Baghdad too dangerous despite surge
: By David Morgan
: WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
: Nearly 90 percent of U.S. journalists in Iraq say much of Baghdad is
: still too dangerous to visit, despite a recent drop in violence
: attributed to the build-up of U.S. forces, a poll released on
: Wednesday said.
: The survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center showed that
: many U.S. journalists believe coverage has painted too rosy a picture
: of the conflict.
: A separate Pew poll released on Tuesday showed that 48 percent of
: Americans believe the U.S. military effort in Iraq is going very or
: fairly well, up from 34 percent in June, amid signs of declining Iraqi
: civilian casualties and progress against Islamist militants such as al
: Qaeda in Iraq.
: But most journalists said they believe violence and the threat of
: violence have increased during their tenures.
: Much of the danger for journalists is faced by local Iraqis, who often
: do most of the reporting outside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green
: Zone, the data showed.
: Fifty-eight percent of U.S. news organizations have had local Iraqi
: staff killed or kidnapped within the past year, the survey said.
: About two-thirds of news outlets said local staff face physical or
: verbal threats at least several times a month.
: "Above all, the journalists -- most of them veteran war correspondents
: -- describe conditions in Iraq as the most perilous they have ever
: encountered, and this above everything else is influencing the
: reporting," the authors said in a report that accompanied the data.
: At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed
: in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the New-York based
: Committee to Protect Journalists says.
: About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.
: Pew's Project for Excellence in Journalism surveyed 111 journalists
: who have worked in Iraq for 29 news organizations, all but one of them
: U.S.-based.
: The poll was conducted September 28 through November 7, Pew said.
: Pew had tried to reach a total of 181 journalists, which it believes
: are nearly all those who have covered Iraq for American news
: organizations.
: The journalists gave high marks to the overall reporting effort, with
: 74 percent rating news-gathering as good or excellent.
: The highest marks went to coverage of U.S. troops and the war against
: insurgents.
: Despite claims by U.S. officials that reporting from Iraq is
: negatively biased, 70 percent of those surveyed believe overall
: coverage is accurate, while 15 percent say the coverage makes the
: situation look better than it is.
: Forty-four percent of journalists believe reporting has treated the
: Bush administration fairly, while 43 percent said coverage has been
: too easy on U.S. officials.
: But the data also showed that 67 percent are at least somewhat
: concerned that the accuracy and completeness of their reports have
: suffered because of ongoing security problems that limit their access
: to the country.
: President George W. Bush's so-called surge strategy to stabilize
: Baghdad and its environs has been credited with a fall-off in attacks
: on Iraqi civilians and U.S. coalition forces over the past two months.
: But 87 percent of respondents said at least half of Baghdad remains
: too dangerous for a Western journalist to visit, with the capital's
: Shi'ite-dominated Sadr City enclave rated the most dangerous spot in
: Iraq.
: Eighteen percent said the entire city of Baghdad is too dangerous for
: travel.
: Most U.S. journalists have traveled to danger spots such as Sadr City,
: either under the protection of private security guards or the U.S.
: military.
: "Eight in 10 journalists believe conditions have deteriorated for
: reporters since their own first posting in the country," the survey's
: authors said.
: Under-reported subjects of the war include the plight of Iraqi
: civilians, Shi'ite-on-Shi'ite violence in southern Iraq and general
: events occurring outside Baghdad, journalists said.
: ______________________________________________
: Harry
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User: "Rich Travsky"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 01 Dec 2007 10:39:44 PM
Frank Pittel wrote:


Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate

Cite they're left wing ->

the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll seriously.

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

: From Reuters, 11/28/07:
: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2749667620071128

: Reporters say Baghdad too dangerous despite surge

: By David Morgan

: WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

: Nearly 90 percent of U.S. journalists in Iraq say much of Baghdad is
: still too dangerous to visit, despite a recent drop in violence
: attributed to the build-up of U.S. forces, a poll released on
: Wednesday said.

: The survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center showed that
: many U.S. journalists believe coverage has painted too rosy a picture
: of the conflict.

: A separate Pew poll released on Tuesday showed that 48 percent of
: Americans believe the U.S. military effort in Iraq is going very or
: fairly well, up from 34 percent in June, amid signs of declining Iraqi
: civilian casualties and progress against Islamist militants such as al
: Qaeda in Iraq.

: But most journalists said they believe violence and the threat of
: violence have increased during their tenures.

: Much of the danger for journalists is faced by local Iraqis, who often
: do most of the reporting outside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green
: Zone, the data showed.

: Fifty-eight percent of U.S. news organizations have had local Iraqi
: staff killed or kidnapped within the past year, the survey said.

: About two-thirds of news outlets said local staff face physical or
: verbal threats at least several times a month.

: "Above all, the journalists -- most of them veteran war correspondents
: -- describe conditions in Iraq as the most perilous they have ever
: encountered, and this above everything else is influencing the
: reporting," the authors said in a report that accompanied the data.

: At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed
: in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the New-York based
: Committee to Protect Journalists says.

: About 85 percent of those killed were Iraqis.

: Pew's Project for Excellence in Journalism surveyed 111 journalists
: who have worked in Iraq for 29 news organizations, all but one of them
: U.S.-based.

: The poll was conducted September 28 through November 7, Pew said.

: Pew had tried to reach a total of 181 journalists, which it believes
: are nearly all those who have covered Iraq for American news
: organizations.

: The journalists gave high marks to the overall reporting effort, with
: 74 percent rating news-gathering as good or excellent.

: The highest marks went to coverage of U.S. troops and the war against
: insurgents.

: Despite claims by U.S. officials that reporting from Iraq is
: negatively biased, 70 percent of those surveyed believe overall
: coverage is accurate, while 15 percent say the coverage makes the
: situation look better than it is.

: Forty-four percent of journalists believe reporting has treated the
: Bush administration fairly, while 43 percent said coverage has been
: too easy on U.S. officials.

: But the data also showed that 67 percent are at least somewhat
: concerned that the accuracy and completeness of their reports have
: suffered because of ongoing security problems that limit their access
: to the country.

: President George W. Bush's so-called surge strategy to stabilize
: Baghdad and its environs has been credited with a fall-off in attacks
: on Iraqi civilians and U.S. coalition forces over the past two months.

: But 87 percent of respondents said at least half of Baghdad remains
: too dangerous for a Western journalist to visit, with the capital's
: Shi'ite-dominated Sadr City enclave rated the most dangerous spot in
: Iraq.

: Eighteen percent said the entire city of Baghdad is too dangerous for
: travel.

: Most U.S. journalists have traveled to danger spots such as Sadr City,
: either under the protection of private security guards or the U.S.
: military.

: "Eight in 10 journalists believe conditions have deteriorated for
: reporters since their own first posting in the country," the survey's
: authors said.

: Under-reported subjects of the war include the plight of Iraqi
: civilians, Shi'ite-on-Shi'ite violence in southern Iraq and general
: events occurring outside Baghdad, journalists said.

.

User: "me"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 28 Nov 2007 09:17:40 AM
On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:

Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll seriously.

Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
exposed
to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.
.
User: "Frank Pittel"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 28 Nov 2007 08:40:16 PM
In alt.politics.usa.republican me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
: On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
: > the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
: > Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll seriously.
: Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
: exposed
: to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
: it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
: they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
: not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
: them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
: then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
: in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
: even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
: there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.
Actually, I read the article and the propogandists that were polled
are a bunch a looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems. Like all
other looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems they want the US to
lose the war against terrorist and are doing what they can to help the
enemies of the US and get the US to surrender.
--
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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User: "Lamont Cranston"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 09:54:39 AM
"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:7Z6dnYHHvcENu9PanZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
: On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
: > the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
: > Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll
seriously.


: Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
: exposed
: to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
: it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
: they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
: not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
: them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
: then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
: in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
: even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
: there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.

Actually, I read the article and the propogandists that were polled
are a bunch a looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems.

Cite?
.

User: "Bombastic Bushkin"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 11:43:01 AM
"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:7Z6dnYHHvcENu9PanZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
: On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
: > the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
: > Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll
seriously.


: Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
: exposed
: to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
: it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
: they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
: not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
: them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
: then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
: in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
: even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
: there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.

Actually, I read the article and the propogandists that were polled
are a bunch a looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems. Like all
other looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems they want the US to
lose the war against terrorist and are doing what they can to help the
enemies of the US and get the US to surrender.
--




-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

Frank;
Why is it that when you are unable to make a valid argument in your
favor you resort to name calling?
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 11:45:53 AM
Bombastic Bushkin wrote:

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:7Z6dnYHHvcENu9PanZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com>
wrote:

Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll
seriously.



Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
exposed
to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.


Actually, I read the article and the propogandists that were polled
are a bunch a looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems. Like all
other looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems they want the US to
lose the war against terrorist and are doing what they can to help
the enemies of the US and get the US to surrender.
--




-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you


Frank;

Why is it that when you are unable to make a valid argument in your
favor you resort to name calling?

Because he's unable to make a valid argument.
.


User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 28 Nov 2007 09:04:03 PM
Frank Pittel wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:43 am, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com>
wrote:

Big surprise. A bunch of lying leftwing "journalists" that hate
the US and want the US to lose are claiming that the US is losing.
Only a lying leftwing idiot would take the results of this poll
seriously.



Actually, if you had read the article, it is because they are
exposed
to more actual danger than any other war zones they have worked,
it makes it hard for them to see any "success". Proportionally
they have lost a large number of journalists and correspondents,
not to mention translators and runners, in this war and it makes
them EXTREMELY sensitive to the on going violence. This
then makes its way into their reporting. Someone sitting
in a secure bunker, or across an ocean can see "progress"
even if it doesn't equate to "peaceful". Some one who is actually
there just continues to see violence and the threat of death.


Actually, I read the article and the propogandists that were polled
are a bunch a looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems. Like all
other looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems they want the US to
lose the war against terrorist and are doing what they can to help the
enemies of the US and get the US to surrender.

The primary goal of the
escalation known as the
"surge" was to allow time
for the Maliki government
to make some progress
in reconciliation.
There has been *NO*
progress.
*Therefore the "surge*"
*has failed*.
.
User: "Zeno"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 12:02:17 PM
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:04:03 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The primary goal of the
escalation known as the
"surge" was to allow time
for the Maliki government
to make some progress
in reconciliation.

There has been *NO*
progress.

*Therefore the "surge*"
*has failed*.

Your synopsis of the surge seems odd. You don't mention the
predominant problem: violence.
Here is a couple of links to get you up to speed.
.... "Anbar Awakening" to counter the influence of Al-Qaeda in Iraq...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakening_movements_in_Iraq
.... al-Sadr announced an order to stand down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moqtada_al-Sadr#2007
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 12:05:27 PM
Zeno wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:04:03 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The primary goal of the
escalation known as the
"surge" was to allow time
for the Maliki government
to make some progress
in reconciliation.

There has been *NO*
progress.

*Therefore the "surge*"
*has failed*.


Your synopsis of the surge seems odd. You don't mention the
predominant problem: violence.

Here is a couple of links to get you up to speed.

The purpose of reducing the violence was to give the Maliki government
breathing space to arrange a reconciliation.
The result was to be a unified government in Iraq
That was the primary goal
*The primary goal of the "surge" failed*
Therefore the surge failed.
The surge troops are heading home.
Nothing has changed
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 30 Nov 2007 12:37:12 PM
On Nov 29, 1:05=EF=BF=BDpm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Zeno wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:04:03 -0500, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:


The primary goal of the
escalation known as the
"surge" was to allow time
for the Maliki government
to make some progress
in reconciliation.


There has been *NO*
progress.


*Therefore the "surge*"
*has failed*.


Your synopsis of the surge seems odd. =EF=BF=BDYou don't mention the
predominant problem: violence.


Here is a couple of links to get you up to speed.


The purpose of reducing the violence was to give the Maliki government
breathing space to arrange a reconciliation.

The result was to be a unified government in Iraq
That was the primary goal
*The primary goal of the "surge" failed*
Therefore the surge failed.

The surge troops are heading home.
Nothing has changed.

The Bush folks are really spinning the story now. The goal is to
stretch this mess out for the Democrat president to take the blame and
clean up Bush's mess.
They are also trying to draft senators and congressmen, such as Jim
Webb, into promoting the "success" of the surge. The latest poll shows
78% of taxpayers want the troops out of Iraq NOW.
.

User: "Zeno"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 01:12:21 PM
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:05:27 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Nothing has changed

Yes, it is your choice not to follow the links I provided...
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 03:17:48 PM
Zeno wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:05:27 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Nothing has changed


Yes, it is your choice not to follow the links I provided...

No need.
I read newspapers, I watch TV news, I read news on the internet.
.
User: "Zeno"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 30 Nov 2007 12:08:32 PM
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:17:48 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Zeno wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:05:27 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Nothing has changed


Yes, it is your choice not to follow the links I provided...


No need.

I read newspapers, I watch TV news, I read news on the internet.

LOL, in that case you should be aware that the violence level is the
only important aspect.
.









User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

Title: Re: Journalists debunk Baghdad "surge success". 29 Nov 2007 12:19:57 PM
I don't think anyone believed this "surge success" story the corrupt
media has given us. Everything they tell us is a lie.
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