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"Harry Hope" |
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19 Sep 2006 10:23:25 PM |
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Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
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| User: "Arthur Dent" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
19 Sep 2006 10:32:12 PM |
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Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 07:42:57 AM |
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"Arthur Dent" <dwt12777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158723131.960958.222900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
So when have we had voter fraud in GA? You know? The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution says never. They did a study and tried to find the
voter fraud liars like you insist is happening. It never happened.
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days of
segregation.
"Way down south
In the land of cotton
Were civil rights is soon forgotten..."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 10:18:35 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"Arthur Dent" <dwt12777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158723131.960958.222900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
So when have we had voter fraud in GA? You know? The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution says never. They did a study and tried to find the
voter fraud liars like you insist is happening. It never happened.
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days of
segregation.
"Way down south
In the land of cotton
Were civil rights is soon forgotten..."
How is requiring a photo ID excluding liberals and blacks? I don't see
the correlation.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:13:16 PM |
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<castthebones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158851915.857532.99470@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"Arthur Dent" <dwt12777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158723131.960958.222900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
So when have we had voter fraud in GA? You know? The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution says never. They did a study and tried to find the
voter fraud liars like you insist is happening. It never happened.
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of
segregation.
"Way down south
In the land of cotton
Were civil rights is soon forgotten..."
How is requiring a photo ID excluding liberals and blacks? I don't see
the correlation.
The segregationists in the good ole days said the same thing. They weren't
tryin' to keep anyone from votin', jest inforcin' the law. And thats what
your really after, a return to the bad ole days.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 07:09:00 PM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
<castthebones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158851915.857532.99470@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"Arthur Dent" <dwt12777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158723131.960958.222900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
So when have we had voter fraud in GA? You know? The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution says never. They did a study and tried to find the
voter fraud liars like you insist is happening. It never happened.
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of
segregation.
"Way down south
In the land of cotton
Were civil rights is soon forgotten..."
How is requiring a photo ID excluding liberals and blacks? I don't see
the correlation.
The segregationists in the good ole days said the same thing. They weren't
tryin' to keep anyone from votin', jest inforcin' the law. And thats what
your really after, a return to the bad ole days.
It is childish and unsupported to claim in 2006 that someone who wants
people who vote to show photo ID is a segregationist.
There is absolutely no valid, logical argument against it, and you will
find that it will become the law of the land, which is good for you and
everyone else.
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 07:10:30 PM |
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On 21 Sep 2006 17:09:00 -0700, wrote:
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1158851915.857532.99470@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"Arthur Dent" <dwt12777@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158723131.960958.222900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope copied and pasted:
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
Heaven forbid we'd want to take steps against voter fraud.
So when have we had voter fraud in GA? You know? The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution says never. They did a study and tried to find the
voter fraud liars like you insist is happening. It never happened.
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of
segregation.
"Way down south
In the land of cotton
Were civil rights is soon forgotten..."
How is requiring a photo ID excluding liberals and blacks? I don't see
the correlation.
The segregationists in the good ole days said the same thing. They weren't
tryin' to keep anyone from votin', jest inforcin' the law. And thats what
your really after, a return to the bad ole days.
It is childish and unsupported to claim in 2006 that someone who wants
people who vote to show photo ID is a segregationist.
There is absolutely no valid, logical argument against it, and you will
find that it will become the law of the land, which is good for you and
everyone else.
The logic is that if ID is required then democratic voters would only
get to vote once. How fair is that?
Regards
Starkiller©
"The Good Die Young......
And Pricks Live Forever."
Lewis Black
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| User: "miles" |
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20 Sep 2006 08:10:11 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you want
eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days of
segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists. Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem
before doing something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring
ID. Illegal Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 08:37:48 AM |
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"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it? We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 08:40:24 AM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:00:24 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
news:PNbQg.6559$zF5.2752@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists. Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before
doing something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something
that is illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
Yes, do you object to having an id card at all times?
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:20:02 PM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:I3DQg.545$o71.365@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
news:PNbQg.6559$zF5.2752@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing
wrong with having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter
fraud exists. Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem
before doing something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law
requiring ID. Illegal Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you
support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something
that is illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
Yes, do you object to having an id card at all times?
Irrelevant, but yes.
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| User: "John B." |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 02:12:23 PM |
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Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs. Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification. Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one. Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally. Because the Republicans who are supporting this know
that most people who would be barred from voting for lack of a photo ID
would vote Democratic.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 02:31:40 PM |
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158865942.989626.232880@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got
it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs.
True at this time. However, it would be made
known to them how and where to get photo
IDs made.
Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification.
Do you believe that we should be able to drive
cars on public highways without driver's licenses?
Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one.
Perhaps. It does show that you are who you
say you are ... which is a step in the right
direction on discouraging voter fraud.
Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally.
Strawman. Catching illegal aliens isn't the reason.
Lowering the amount of voter fraud is the reason.
Because the Republicans who are supporting this know
that most people who would be barred from voting for lack of a photo ID
would vote Democratic.
I support it. I'm not a Republican. I support only
allowing legal votes to be counted. Why do you
think most of the people this would bar would be
Democrats? Do you think Republicans are smarter
than Democrats?
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:03:06 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158865942.989626.232880@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud
you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to
exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before
doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got
it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that
is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs.
True at this time. However, it would be made
known to them how and where to get photo
IDs made.
Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification.
Do you believe that we should be able to drive
cars on public highways without driver's licenses?
Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one.
Perhaps. It does show that you are who you
say you are ... which is a step in the right
direction on discouraging voter fraud.
Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally.
Strawman. Catching illegal aliens isn't the reason.
Lowering the amount of voter fraud is the reason.
There is no organized voter fraud in GA. There hasn't been any since the
'60's. AJC did a study a few months ago and that is what they found. So if
there is no crime, why have a punishment?
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21 Sep 2006 04:18:34 PM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud
you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to
exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good
ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American
voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before
doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got
it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that
is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs.
True at this time. However, it would be made
known to them how and where to get photo
IDs made.
Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification.
Do you believe that we should be able to drive
cars on public highways without driver's licenses?
Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one.
Perhaps. It does show that you are who you
say you are ... which is a step in the right
direction on discouraging voter fraud.
Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally.
Strawman. Catching illegal aliens isn't the reason.
Lowering the amount of voter fraud is the reason.
There is no organized voter fraud in GA. There hasn't been any since the
'60's. AJC did a study a few months ago and that is what they found. So
if there is no crime, why have a punishment?
I doubt the amount of voter fraud in GA is known
to any degree of accuracy, especially without
proper identification processes in place.
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21 Sep 2006 02:42:39 PM |
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Bob wrote:
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158865942.989626.232880@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got
it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs.
True at this time. However, it would be made
known to them how and where to get photo
IDs made.
Not much help on Election Day.
Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification.
Do you believe that we should be able to drive
cars on public highways without driver's licenses?
The Constitution does not confer a right to drive.
Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one.
Perhaps. It does show that you are who you
say you are ... which is a step in the right
direction on discouraging voter fraud.
Tell that to a black southern voter who remembers state laws limiting
voting rights to property-owners or people who could pass "literacy
tests."
Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally.
Strawman. Catching illegal aliens isn't the reason.
Lowering the amount of voter fraud is the reason.
Many of the Republicans pushing for this have said they wanted to keep
illegal aliens from voting. Voter fraud is not so prevalent in this
country as to justify an ID requirement.
Because the Republicans who are supporting this know
that most people who would be barred from voting for lack of a photo ID
would vote Democratic.
I support it. I'm not a Republican. I support only
allowing legal votes to be counted. Why do you
think most of the people this would bar would be
Democrats? Do you think Republicans are smarter
than Democrats?
No, I think most poor people, who would be disproportionately affected
by this, generally vote Democratic if they vote at all.
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| User: "Bob" |
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21 Sep 2006 03:22:02 PM |
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158867758.971004.91490@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bob wrote:
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158865942.989626.232880@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Bob wrote:
"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MubQg.14030$bM.11720@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud
you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to
exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good
ole
days of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American
voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing
wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before
doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got
it?
We may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not
right
or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a
courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that
is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men
from
stealing kittens?
Do you object to requiring a voter to show
proper (with a picture) identification before
being allowed to vote? If so, why?
YES. Because some eligible voters don't have photo IDs.
True at this time. However, it would be made
known to them how and where to get photo
IDs made.
Not much help on Election Day.
True, but those people probably couldn't find
the polling place anyway.
Because there
is nothing in the Constitution that conditions voting rights on the
ability to produce identification.
Do you believe that we should be able to drive
cars on public highways without driver's licenses?
The Constitution does not confer a right to drive.
Is there something in the Constitution to prohibit
a state from requiring proper identification, which
would include a pictuire?
Because having a driver's license
doesn't prove citizenship, so it's pointless to ask for one.
Perhaps. It does show that you are who you
say you are ... which is a step in the right
direction on discouraging voter fraud.
Tell that to a black southern voter who remembers state laws limiting
voting rights to property-owners or people who could pass "literacy
tests."
That would apply to any race.
Because no
illegal alien is going to risk being caught and deported by trying to
vote illegally.
Strawman. Catching illegal aliens isn't the reason.
Lowering the amount of voter fraud is the reason.
Many of the Republicans pushing for this have said they wanted to keep
illegal aliens from voting.
If proper identification keeps people not
allowed to vote from voting, I'm all for
it.
Voter fraud is not so prevalent in this
country as to justify an ID requirement.
How do you know?
Because the Republicans who are supporting this know
that most people who would be barred from voting for lack of a photo ID
would vote Democratic.
I support it. I'm not a Republican. I support only
allowing legal votes to be counted. Why do you
think most of the people this would bar would be
Democrats? Do you think Republicans are smarter
than Democrats?
No, I think most poor people, who would be disproportionately affected
by this, generally vote Democratic if they vote at all.
I think those attempting to vote who are not
legally entitled to vote would be affected more
than just poor people.
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| User: "" |
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21 Sep 2006 10:33:42 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it? We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
Why are you so angry about a law meant to keep people from commiting
voter fraud? It is not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
to ask someone to show prof that they are wh thy say they are.
As far as your "no voter fraud" claim:
http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-js031401.html
"A recent study in Georgia found more than 15,000 dead people on active
voting rolls statewide."
Here's a WP article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html
"We did it because we thought it was the . . . thing to do to clean up
Georgia election law," said Sen. William Stephens, a Republican from
Cherokee County. He cited a report in the Atlanta Journal Constitution
newspaper saying that more than 5,000 dead people voted in the eight
elections before 2000."
And, from the same article, here's what the pople of Georgia think:
Stephens said another Journal Constitution report stated that a poll
revealed 80 percent of Georgians supported the voter ID law.
Do you want those people to be able to vote? How can you use the
argument that "it hasn't happened yet"?
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:11:40 PM |
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<castthebones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158852822.628915.63570@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right
or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
Why are you so angry about a law meant to keep people from commiting
voter fraud? It is not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
to ask someone to show prof that they are wh thy say they are.
As far as your "no voter fraud" claim:
http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-js031401.html
"A recent study in Georgia found more than 15,000 dead people on active
voting rolls statewide."
Here's a WP article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html
"We did it because we thought it was the . . . thing to do to clean up
Georgia election law," said Sen. William Stephens, a Republican from
Cherokee County. He cited a report in the Atlanta Journal Constitution
newspaper saying that more than 5,000 dead people voted in the eight
elections before 2000."
And, from the same article, here's what the pople of Georgia think:
Stephens said another Journal Constitution report stated that a poll
revealed 80 percent of Georgians supported the voter ID law.
Do you want those people to be able to vote? How can you use the
argument that "it hasn't happened yet"?
If the crime has never happened and is unlikely and if you vote improperly
(criminally) you go to jail for years, yes. You seem like you are piling
on. Actually this sounds like the good ole days of the poll tax and
literacy tests. What you guys really want is to go back to the good ole
days, right? Three judges have thrown the GA law out right now. I have no
intention of going to the polls with a picture id.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 07:11:53 PM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
<castthebones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158852822.628915.63570@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right
or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
Why are you so angry about a law meant to keep people from commiting
voter fraud? It is not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
to ask someone to show prof that they are wh thy say they are.
As far as your "no voter fraud" claim:
http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-js031401.html
"A recent study in Georgia found more than 15,000 dead people on active
voting rolls statewide."
Here's a WP article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html
"We did it because we thought it was the . . . thing to do to clean up
Georgia election law," said Sen. William Stephens, a Republican from
Cherokee County. He cited a report in the Atlanta Journal Constitution
newspaper saying that more than 5,000 dead people voted in the eight
elections before 2000."
And, from the same article, here's what the pople of Georgia think:
Stephens said another Journal Constitution report stated that a poll
revealed 80 percent of Georgians supported the voter ID law.
Do you want those people to be able to vote? How can you use the
argument that "it hasn't happened yet"?
If the crime has never happened and is unlikely and if you vote improperly
(criminally) you go to jail for years, yes. You seem like you are piling
on. Actually this sounds like the good ole days of the poll tax and
literacy tests. What you guys really want is to go back to the good ole
days, right? Three judges have thrown the GA law out right now. I have no
intention of going to the polls with a picture id.
These judges wouldn't have political motive of their own, would they?
How can anyone be against having to show photo ID to vote? Isn't that
just common sense? How does it equate to a poll tax or literacy test?
This is not 1816, it's 2006; doesn't it make sense to FINALLY require
people show photo ID?
For the life of me, I don't see why anyone would or could be against
wanting people who show up to vote being required to prove in a very
simple way that they are who they say they are.
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 07:25:47 PM |
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On 21 Sep 2006 17:11:53 -0700, wrote:
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1158852822.628915.63570@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole
days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters
and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong
with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud
exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID.
Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it?
We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right
or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat
something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
Why are you so angry about a law meant to keep people from commiting
voter fraud? It is not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
to ask someone to show prof that they are wh thy say they are.
As far as your "no voter fraud" claim:
http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-js031401.html
"A recent study in Georgia found more than 15,000 dead people on active
voting rolls statewide."
Here's a WP article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html
"We did it because we thought it was the . . . thing to do to clean up
Georgia election law," said Sen. William Stephens, a Republican from
Cherokee County. He cited a report in the Atlanta Journal Constitution
newspaper saying that more than 5,000 dead people voted in the eight
elections before 2000."
And, from the same article, here's what the pople of Georgia think:
Stephens said another Journal Constitution report stated that a poll
revealed 80 percent of Georgians supported the voter ID law.
Do you want those people to be able to vote? How can you use the
argument that "it hasn't happened yet"?
If the crime has never happened and is unlikely and if you vote improperly
(criminally) you go to jail for years, yes. You seem like you are piling
on. Actually this sounds like the good ole days of the poll tax and
literacy tests. What you guys really want is to go back to the good ole
days, right? Three judges have thrown the GA law out right now. I have no
intention of going to the polls with a picture id.
These judges wouldn't have political motive of their own, would they?
How can anyone be against having to show photo ID to vote? Isn't that
just common sense? How does it equate to a poll tax or literacy test?
This is not 1816, it's 2006; doesn't it make sense to FINALLY require
people show photo ID?
For the life of me, I don't see why anyone would or could be against
wanting people who show up to vote being required to prove in a very
simple way that they are who they say they are.
You have to have an ID to buy alcohol.
You have to have an ID to buy tobacco products.
You have to have an ID to drive .
You have to have an ID to cash a freakin' welfare check.(or any check)
You have to have an ID to collect food stamps.
Funny how folks show an ID on any one of numerous occassions without
batting an eye but ask for one in order to secure an accurate and
legal vote count and ***** hits the fan.
Placing such restrictions on democrats is like handing someone a bag
of Lays potato chips and issung the age old challenge.
Democrats: Betcha can't vote just once.
Regards
Starkiller©
"The Good Die Young......
And Pricks Live Forever."
Lewis Black
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| User: "" |
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21 Sep 2006 10:37:56 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it? We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision. Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
Why are you so angry about a law meant to keep people from commiting
voter fraud? It is not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
to ask someone to show prof that they are wh thy say they are.
As far as your "no voter fraud" claim:
http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-js031401.html
"A recent study in Georgia found more than 15,000 dead people on active
voting rolls statewide."
Here's a WP article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html
"We did it because we thought it was the . . . thing to do to clean up
Georgia election law," said Sen. William Stephens, a Republican from
Cherokee County. He cited a report in the Atlanta Journal Constitution
newspaper saying that more than 5,000 dead people voted in the eight
elections before 2000."
And, from the same article, here's what the pople of Georgia think:
Stephens said another Journal Constitution report stated that a poll
revealed 80 percent of Georgians supported the voter ID law.
Do you want those people to be able to vote? How can you use the
argument that "it hasn't happened yet"?
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| User: "Arthur Dent" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 09:05:01 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it? We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA.
Of course no voter fraud has been found in GA: you don't require people
properly identify themselves! How do you expect to find something
you're intentionally not looking for!
A law is not right or legal just because it was passed, rather legality is
based on a courts decision. Any one at any time can introduce and
pass something that is illegal, happens all the time.
Amazing. I'm impressed you had the guts to so clearly state the
liberal agenda! "Laws are not binding unless they've been challenged
in court." Tell me, Government 101 Expert, why then even bother with a
legislature? Why not just have the courts create laws? Oh wait, that
IS your goal, nevermind!
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat something
that is not there?
Again, how would you know there's no voter fraud if you're not
requiring people to propery identify themselves?
Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing kittens?
Dang it, I knew something was up when the man in a space suit offered
to take my cat for a walk. The courts should create a law about this...
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| User: "SON OF HARRY HOPE" |
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21 Sep 2006 02:02:58 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:37:48 GMT, "Kevin Cunningham"
<smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote:
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:S4bQg.346$tO5.327@fed1read10...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
You far right folks have never been able to show what voter fraud you
want eliminated since it never happened. What you want is to exclude
African-American voters and liberals so lets go back to the good ole days
of segregation.
Everyone from any race, color, etc. including African-American voters and
liberals should have to identify themselves. There is nothing wrong with
having to prove you have the right to vote. We know voter fraud exists.
Why do we have to wait for it to become a massive problem before doing
something to slow it? Here in AZ we passed a law requiring ID. Illegal
Mexicans are the one calling racism. Why do you support them?
Fruit cake, read my post. No voter fraud has been found in GA. Got it? We
may do other things wrong but no voter fraud in GA. A law is not right or
legal just because it was passed, rather legality is based on a courts
decision.
In that case why don’t we just do away with the legislators ( you know
cut out the middle man, sort-a-speak) and let these funny little men
in black robes run the country. Would be much easier don’t you think.
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"All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a
single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope."
---Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British Statesman, Soldier, and
Author
Any one at any time can introduce and pass something that is
illegal, happens all the time.
Since there is no voter fraud why have a law that claims to defeat something
that is not there? Why not have a law forbidding moon men from stealing
kittens?
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 12:23:36 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:23:25 -0700, Harry Hope wrote
(in article <ebd1h2h5lc8d1uujek2kkvd9hrabba8jou@4ax.com>):
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
The judge in the article said, ³The result of this provisional-ballot scheme,
is to disenfranchise an otherwise qualified voter who does not comply with
the additional conditions imposed by the legislature.²
An "otherwise qualified" voter.
This appears to recognize that a voter needs to "qualify" to vote.
To "qualify" is to comply with "conditions imposed by the legislature".
How do state legislatures deny a "right to vote" to people convicted of a
felony?
Not being a convicted felon is a condition to vote that is "imposed by the
legislature".
Why can't the legislature "impose" another condition?
If the ID cost the perspective voter nothing, the "poll tax" issue is moot.
If the purpose and function of the law is to reduce voter fraud, then it's a
good law.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 07:45:53 AM |
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"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1361E68001E27BCF02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:23:25 -0700, Harry Hope wrote
(in article <ebd1h2h5lc8d1uujek2kkvd9hrabba8jou@4ax.com>):
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
The judge in the article said, ³The result of this provisional-ballot
scheme,
is to disenfranchise an otherwise qualified voter who does not comply with
the additional conditions imposed by the legislature.²
An "otherwise qualified" voter.
This appears to recognize that a voter needs to "qualify" to vote.
To "qualify" is to comply with "conditions imposed by the legislature".
How do state legislatures deny a "right to vote" to people convicted of a
felony?
Not being a convicted felon is a condition to vote that is "imposed by the
legislature".
Why can't the legislature "impose" another condition?
If the ID cost the perspective voter nothing, the "poll tax" issue is
moot.
If the purpose and function of the law is to reduce voter fraud, then it's
a
good law.
It would help if you knew anything about the law. Go to your local college
and take a law course. Legality here is neccesity, is the law proposed
neccesary. In this case it isn't since it is designed to discriminate.
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| User: "Arthur Dent" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 09:10:42 AM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
It would help if you knew anything about the law. Go to your local college
and take a law course. Legality here is neccesity, is the law proposed
neccesary. In this case it isn't since it is designed to discriminate.
It would help if you pulled your head out. You claim there is no voter
fraud in GA? Then what's the problem? What would you stand to lose if
GA voters were required to have a free government issued photo ID?
Would the poor be unable to get to the photo ID office? Why not
commandeer some of your vans used for driving felons to the voting
booth to take people to get their ID's?
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
20 Sep 2006 11:02:12 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:45:53 -0700, Kevin Cunningham wrote
(in article <5KaQg.3839$UG4.1945@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>):
"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1361E68001E27BCF02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:23:25 -0700, Harry Hope wrote
(in article <ebd1h2h5lc8d1uujek2kkvd9hrabba8jou@4ax.com>):
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
The judge in the article said, ³The result of this provisional-ballot
scheme,
is to disenfranchise an otherwise qualified voter who does not comply with
the additional conditions imposed by the legislature.²
An "otherwise qualified" voter.
This appears to recognize that a voter needs to "qualify" to vote.
To "qualify" is to comply with "conditions imposed by the legislature".
How do state legislatures deny a "right to vote" to people convicted of a
felony?
Not being a convicted felon is a condition to vote that is "imposed by the
legislature".
Why can't the legislature "impose" another condition?
If the ID cost the perspective voter nothing, the "poll tax" issue is
moot.
If the purpose and function of the law is to reduce voter fraud, then it's
a
good law.
It would help if you knew anything about the law. Go to your local college
and take a law course. Legality here is neccesity, is the law proposed
neccesary. In this case it isn't since it is designed to discriminate.
It would help if you could construct a proper English sentence (or spell) so
one might not have to guess what point you were attempting to make.
Perhaps you would be able to cobble together enough words to explain in what
way you believe the law is discriminatory and who is being discriminated
against.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Judge Voids Georgia Republican Scheme Requiring a Photo ID of Voters |
21 Sep 2006 04:21:58 PM |
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"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C136B41400013A97F02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:45:53 -0700, Kevin Cunningham wrote
(in article <5KaQg.3839$UG4.1945@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>):
"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1361E68001E27BCF02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:23:25 -0700, Harry Hope wrote
(in article <ebd1h2h5lc8d1uujek2kkvd9hrabba8jou@4ax.com>):
From The New York Times, 9/20/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/us/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State Judge Voids Georgia Law Requiring a Photo ID of Voters
By BRENDA GOODMAN
ATLANTA --
A state judge ruled Tuesday that a Georgia law requiring voters to
present government-issued photo identification violates the State
Constitution and could not be enforced.
In issuing a permanent injunction against the latest version of the
Voter ID Act, the judge, T. Jackson Bedford Jr. of Fulton County
Superior Court, said legislators overstepped their authority when they
imposed a condition on the right to vote by requiring a photo ID.
"Nowhere in the Constitution is the legislature authorized to deny a
registered voter the right to vote on any other ground, including a
possession of a photo ID," he wrote.
___________________________________________________
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Harry
The judge in the article said, ³The result of this provisional-ballot
scheme,
is to disenfranchise an otherwise qualified voter who does not comply
with
the additional conditions imposed by the legislature.²
An "otherwise qualified" voter.
This appears to recognize that a voter needs to "qualify" to vote.
To "qualify" is to comply with "conditions imposed by the legislature".
How do state legislatures deny a "right to vote" to people convicted of
a
felony?
Not being a convicted felon is a condition to vote that is "imposed by
the
legislature".
Why can't the legislature "impose" another condition?
If the ID cost the perspective voter nothing, the "poll tax" issue is
moot.
If the purpose and function of the law is to reduce voter fraud, then
it's
a
good law.
It would help if you knew anything about the law. Go to your local
college
and take a law course. Legality here is neccesity, is the law proposed
neccesary. In this case it isn't since it is designed to discriminate.
It would help if you could construct a proper English sentence (or spell)
so
one might not have to guess what point you were attempting to make.
Perhaps you would be able to cobble together enough words to explain in
what
way you believe the law is discriminatory and who is being discriminated
against.
It isn't what I require, it's what the law requires.
The law in this case, in the State of Georgia, says that if you use fraud to
vote, illegally, then that is a felony. No discrimination expressed of
implied. Now three judges have set aside the law in question and it awaits
appeal. All three judges have set the law aside for being in violation of
the constitutional right to vote.
To make it simple for you all three judges cited previous laws that were
over turned, these include the poll tax and the literacy requirement. This
attempt at a law is in clear violation of the constitution and various other
laws.
What you and yours seem to want is a return to the good ole' days of the
poll tax and literacy test. Ah, those were the days...
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