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"Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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28 Aug 2006 07:12:57 PM |
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Just in: bin Laden not Suspect in 9/11! |
They just found this out? Get real!
<quote>
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the
FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected
mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7,
1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be found
on the same FBI notice.
....
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think the
U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From
this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the
connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
[I don't think it's uncertain. I think it is certain that al-Qaeda had
nothing to do with it.]
....
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11
on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . .
There is a logic to it."
</quote>
It's because they don't have anything to show a grand jury connecting bin
Laden with 9/11. And they *know* he wasn't behind it. Bin Laden's just
the boogie man for the oil wars. He been dead for years. The person who
fingered bin Laden is more likely the perpetrator.
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Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "visions of effty" |
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| Title: Re: Just in: bin Laden not Suspect in 9/11! |
29 Aug 2006 06:48:11 PM |
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:ivednYWPr9AFG27ZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
They just found this out? Get real!
<quote>
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the
FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected
mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7,
1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be found
on the same FBI notice.
...
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think
the
U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From
this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the
connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
[I don't think it's uncertain. I think it is certain that al-Qaeda had
nothing to do with it.]
...
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add
9/11
on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . .
.
There is a logic to it."
</quote>
It's because they don't have anything to show a grand jury connecting bin
Laden with 9/11. And they *know* he wasn't behind it. Bin Laden's just
the boogie man for the oil wars. He been dead for years. The person who
fingered bin Laden is more likely the perpetrator.
--
Nil conscire sibi
More from another source.
This was just in the Washington Post?
Man, they *are* slow!
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202)
324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden's Most Wanted poster did not indicate that
Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke
with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why
there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, Tomb said,
"The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page
is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing
statement, I asked, "How this was possible?" Tomb continued, "Bin Laden has
not been formally charged in connection to 9/11." I asked, "How does that
work?" Tomb continued, "The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is
gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of
Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal
grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed,
Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has
not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the
FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11."
~e.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Just in: bin Laden not Suspect in 9/11! |
29 Aug 2006 07:45:23 PM |
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visions of effty wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:ivednYWPr9AFG27ZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
They just found this out? Get real!
<quote>
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the
FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected
mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7,
1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be
found on the same FBI notice.
...
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think
the
U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From
this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the
connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
[I don't think it's uncertain. I think it is certain that al-Qaeda had
nothing to do with it.]
...
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add
9/11
on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . .
.
There is a logic to it."
</quote>
It's because they don't have anything to show a grand jury connecting bin
Laden with 9/11. And they *know* he wasn't behind it. Bin Laden's just
the boogie man for the oil wars. He been dead for years. The person who
fingered bin Laden is more likely the perpetrator.
--
Nil conscire sibi
More from another source.
This was just in the Washington Post?
Man, they *are* slow!
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters,
(202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden's Most Wanted poster did not
indicate that
Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke
with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked
why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, Tomb
said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most
Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden
to 9/11."
Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing
statement, I asked, "How this was possible?" Tomb continued, "Bin Laden
has
not been formally charged in connection to 9/11." I asked, "How does that
work?" Tomb continued, "The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is
gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department
of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a
federal
grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed,
Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has
not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the
FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11."
~e.
<quote>
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/011105fa_FACT2
As it happens, *Chertoff* was the *senior* Justice Department *official*
*on* *duty* at the *FBI* *command* *center* right after the attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and the experience has informed his
subsequent actions. "The thing we kept thinking about was whether there
were other planes out there," Chertoff told me recently. "Until two or
three in the afternoon, the main priority was making sure there would not
be another attack on any more planes." Thanks in part to phone calls from
flight attendants and passengers, who identified the hijackers by their
seat numbers, the F.B.I. quickly learned most of their names. The *tie*
*to* Middle Eastern terrorism ? specifically, to the network of *Osama*
*bin* *Laden* ? came almost as fast.
</quote>
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Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Just in: bin Laden not Suspect in 9/11! |
29 Aug 2006 11:33:44 PM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
visions of effty wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:ivednYWPr9AFG27ZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
They just found this out? Get real!
<quote>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006; Page A13
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden
...
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be
found on the same FBI notice.
...
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think
the
U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings.
From this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that
the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
[I don't think it's uncertain. I think it is certain that al-Qaeda had
nothing to do with it.]
...
</quote>
It's because they don't have anything to show a grand jury connecting
bin
Laden with 9/11. And they *know* he wasn't behind it. Bin Laden's just
the boogie man for the oil wars. He been dead for years. The person
who fingered bin Laden is more likely the perpetrator.
More from another source.
This was just in the Washington Post?
Man, they *are* slow!
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters,
(202) 324-3000
Tomb said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's
Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin
Laden to 9/11."
...
<quote>
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/011105fa_FACT2
As it happens, *Chertoff* was the *senior* Justice Department *official*
*on* *duty* at the *FBI* *command* *center* right after the attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon,...
</quote>
<quote>
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml
Sibel Edmonds, a translator who worked at the FBI's language division, says
the documents weren't translated because the division was riddled with
incompetence and corruption.
....
Edmonds was fired after reporting her concerns to FBI officials. She told
her story behind closed doors to investigators in Congress and to the
Justice Department. Most recently, she spoke with the commission
investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.
?The next day, I would come to work, turn on my computer, and the work would
be gone. The translation would be gone,? she says. ?Then I had to start all
over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor
and he said, ?Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else
and don't mention it.?
....
In its rush to hire more foreign language translators after Sept. 11, the
FBI admits it has had difficulty performing background checks to detect
translators who may have loyalties to other governments, which could pose a
threat to U.S. national security.
Take the case of Jan Dickerson, a Turkish translator who worked with
Edmonds. The FBI has admitted that when Dickerson was hired, the bureau
didn't know that she had worked for a Turkish organization being
investigated by the FBI's own counter-intelligence unit.
They also didn't know she'd had a relationship with a Turkish intelligence
officer stationed in Washington who was the target of that investigation.
According to Edmonds, Dickerson tried to recruit her into that
organization, and insisted that Dickerson be the only one to translate the
FBI's wiretaps of that Turkish official.
?She got very angry, and later she threatened me and my family's life,? says
Edmonds, when she decided not to go along with the plan. ?She said, ?Why
would you want to place your life and your family's life in danger by
translating these tapes???
Edmonds says that when she reviewed Dickerson's translations of those tapes,
she found that Dickerson had left out information crucial to the FBI's
investigation - information that Edmonds says would have revealed that the
Turkish intelligence officer had spies working for him inside the U.S.
State Department and at the Pentagon.
?We came across at least 17, 18 translations, communications that were
extremely important for the ongoing investigations of these individuals,?
says Edmonds. ?She had marked it as 'not important to be translated.'"
What kind of information did she leave out of her translation?
?Activities to obtain the United States military and intelligence secrets,?
says Edmonds.
She says she complained repeatedly to her bosses about what she'd found on
the wiretaps and about Dickerson's conduct, but that nobody at the FBI
wanted to hear about it, not even the assistant special agent in charge.
?He said ?Do you realize what you are saying here in your allegations? Are
you telling me that our security people are not doing their jobs? Is that
what you're telling me? If you insist on this investigation, I'll make sure
in no time it will turn around and become an investigation about you,??
says Edmonds.
Sibel Edmonds was fired. The FBI offered no explanation, saying in the
letter only that her contract was terminated completely for the
government's convenience.
</quote>
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Nil conscire sibi
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