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"http://www.infowars.com/" |
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27 Sep 2006 10:15:27 PM |
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Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
No one in the history of human civilization has ever proven god exists.
In 65,000 years not one single god-believer
has ever found proof of god -- and THAT is statistically
significant. The probability of god's existence is for all intents and
purposes -- ZERO.
Here's the proof:
The estimated number of people who have lived on Earth is
106,456,367,669
ref:
http://www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=7421
That makes the statistical reference:
106,456,367,669 : 0
That means that in 106,456,367,669 tries
zero people proved gods existence.
The probability of god's existence is approaching absolute zero.
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28 Sep 2006 09:17:13 AM |
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"http://www.infowars.com/" <flapping_hog_jowls@spastic.temper.and.colon.us>
wrote in message news:cgfmh25fovunjigmilcrnbc7rsedv9orkj@4ax.com...
The estimated number of calories I've eaten today is
106,456,367,669
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28 Sep 2006 09:25:06 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:17:13 GMT, "abc" <abc@xyz.com> wrote:
<snip>
Having trouble expressing yourself, Carol?
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| User: "Randy Cox" |
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| Title: Re: Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
27 Sep 2006 10:52:14 PM |
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"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
The probability of god's existence is for all intents and
purposes -- ZERO.
Correct! Agreed! Now here is another ZERO probability....but you have to
start with zero to comprehend it. Start before the beginning.
The probability of existence before existence is---ZERO
We dream existence that is not real. There is no way to prove that our
perception of existence is anything more than a dream.
We only think we exist...but we think. No one can fool you into thinking if
you do not really think, therefore you do think. I think; therefore I am.
Descartes!
Now back to math.
ZERO = ZERO 0 = 0
Do you agree? Of course, you do.....but.......
0 also = +1-1 0 = +1 -1+1-1 You can add all the values you can "think"
of as long as you match a positive value with a negative value and you still
get what you started with....EXCEPT what about all the "thinking"? What is
the value of thinking? How does it fit into existence. We know the sum
must equal zero but the equation continues to expand and we know we exist
because we think. We think; therefore we are!
We know there is matter and anti-matter. There is light and there is
darkness. There is good and there is evil. 0 = 0 0 =
+matter -anti-matter + light -darkness + good - evil.
0 = 0
Now, again go back to before existence with the uncluttered value of
zero....void....nothing.
Thinking happened, we know because nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we
think unless we think. Starting at ZERO and moving to the only thing we
know exists with a certainty as thought....we define the movement from pure
Zero to 0 = +1 -1 as creation. Now define the force of creation, the
concept of +1 -1, the thought of +1 -1 as the thinker and the first
thinker as God. We don't understand it, but we call it GOD....first cause
from the void of ZERO.
Now you have a proof of the existence of God. God is God by definition.
We don't at this point have understanding of God...just definition. Proof
is there for you to accept or reject depending upon what kind of person you
are. There are only three kinds of people....those who get math and those
who don't :-)
Randy R. Cox
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| User: "Charles D. Bohne" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:13:46 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
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We don't understand it, but we call it GOD....first cause
from the void of ZERO.
Thanks Randy, I love it!
C.
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The probability of god's existence is for all intents and
purposes -- ZERO.
Correct! Agreed! Now here is another ZERO probability....but you have to
start with zero to comprehend it. Start before the beginning.
The probability of existence before existence is---ZERO
We dream existence that is not real. There is no way to prove that our
perception of existence is anything more than a dream.
We only think we exist...but we think. No one can fool you into thinking if
you do not really think, therefore you do think. I think; therefore I am.
Descartes!
Now back to math.
ZERO = ZERO 0 = 0
Do you agree? Of course, you do.....but.......
0 also = +1-1 0 = +1 -1+1-1 You can add all the values you can "think"
of as long as you match a positive value with a negative value and you still
get what you started with....EXCEPT what about all the "thinking"? What is
the value of thinking? How does it fit into existence. We know the sum
must equal zero but the equation continues to expand and we know we exist
because we think. We think; therefore we are!
We know there is matter and anti-matter. There is light and there is
darkness. There is good and there is evil. 0 = 0 0 =
+matter -anti-matter + light -darkness + good - evil.
0 = 0
Now, again go back to before existence with the uncluttered value of
zero....void....nothing.
Thinking happened, we know because nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we
think unless we think. Starting at ZERO and moving to the only thing we
know exists with a certainty as thought....we define the movement from pure
Zero to 0 = +1 -1 as creation. Now define the force of creation, the
concept of +1 -1, the thought of +1 -1 as the thinker and the first
thinker as God. We don't understand it, but we call it GOD....first cause
from the void of ZERO.
Now you have a proof of the existence of God. God is God by definition.
We don't at this point have understanding of God...just definition. Proof
is there for you to accept or reject depending upon what kind of person you
are. There are only three kinds of people....those who get math and those
who don't :-)
Randy R. Cox
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Neat!
C.
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27 Sep 2006 11:00:37 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
The probability of god's existence is for all intents and
purposes -- ZERO.
Correct! Agreed!
Smart.
<snipped because it's far too late in the Meta-game, well, there really
never was a game. :)
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| User: "http://www.infowars.com/" |
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27 Sep 2006 11:10:52 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
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27 Sep 2006 11:58:38 PM |
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"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
news:soimh21hah54a5pj01mmbn5d11c3mj7m52@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
wrote:
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
There is no epitome without it's opposite value.
You can not deduce such a fallacy without thinking. You proved thinking by
doing it....even if you did it in error... 0 = + right thinking - wrong
thinking. 0 = + my thinking - your thinking. ZERO = + belief - non-belief.
We are back where we started at ZERO.....but God remains the cause of the
alpha equation and the omega equation...first thought....first cause. Zero
remains the sum of the beginning and the sum of the end.
God needs no proof. God is the process of proof. In the beginning there
was void (Zero) then a voice spake light into the darkness........and the
voice was God. God looked and saw the light (proving the existence of his
concept...word....light) Seeing is light! Looking is seeing!
How arrogant to accept that you have voice and the ability to speak and see,
think and conceive but deny that such things as exist now defined as "you"
could have existed at the beginning defined as "First Cause" because it was
first....or God because that is what men who think decided to call the cause
of the beginning.
I see light; you see darkness. Because you see nothing you "think" that
proves there is nothing to see. That is the only fallacy that exists here.
You see not....because you look not!
There are still three kinds of people. Those who get math and those who
don't!
Randy R. Cox
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| User: "The Real Diddy Pop" |
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| Title: Re: Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
28 Sep 2006 06:15:59 AM |
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Here's an oldy but goodie, can God create a rock so heavy that even he
cannot lift?
Here's my feeling...I do not believe there is or has ever been God.
The whole concept was born out of cavemen looking for an explanation
and dreaming up this mystical notion of something greater than them.
Even if there is a God, I want no part of him due to the fact that 99%
of the worlds evil over time has been in His name. Sorry, not my kinda
guy. -1+1=your God is a ***** for allowing the holocaust and the
Crusades.
Randy Cox wrote:
"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
news:soimh21hah54a5pj01mmbn5d11c3mj7m52@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
wrote:
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
There is no epitome without it's opposite value.
You can not deduce such a fallacy without thinking. You proved thinking by
doing it....even if you did it in error... 0 = + right thinking - wrong
thinking. 0 = + my thinking - your thinking. ZERO = + belief - non-belief.
We are back where we started at ZERO.....but God remains the cause of the
alpha equation and the omega equation...first thought....first cause. Zero
remains the sum of the beginning and the sum of the end.
God needs no proof. God is the process of proof. In the beginning there
was void (Zero) then a voice spake light into the darkness........and the
voice was God. God looked and saw the light (proving the existence of his
concept...word....light) Seeing is light! Looking is seeing!
How arrogant to accept that you have voice and the ability to speak and see,
think and conceive but deny that such things as exist now defined as "you"
could have existed at the beginning defined as "First Cause" because it was
first....or God because that is what men who think decided to call the cause
of the beginning.
I see light; you see darkness. Because you see nothing you "think" that
proves there is nothing to see. That is the only fallacy that exists here.
You see not....because you look not!
There are still three kinds of people. Those who get math and those who
don't!
Randy R. Cox
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28 Sep 2006 07:05:16 AM |
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On 28 Sep 2006 04:15:59 -0700, "The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com>
wrote:
God needs no proof.
Neither does George Bush
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| Title: Throw it all under the bus!!!! |
28 Sep 2006 12:38:20 PM |
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I guess President Bush is therefore God.
It's funny, the modern lib really irritates me...no rational logic lies
behind their stupid assertions. It's funny that I would say that being
that I'm an Atheist who supports gay marriage and legalization of weed.
You libs are so skilled at alienating people who would otherwise
support you on 8 out of 10 issues. Take Joe Lieberman, the guy votes
democrat 90% of the time and you idiots throw him under the bus and
portray him as Jerry Falwell. It's not good business, it's just dumb.
That is why there will be no significant ground gained in Nov., there's
just not enough Michael Moores out there to make a difference. Why?
He ate them all!
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On 28 Sep 2006 04:15:59 -0700, "The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com>
wrote:
God needs no proof.
Neither does George Bush
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03 Oct 2006 02:42:55 AM |
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The Real Diddy Pop wrote:
Here's an oldy but goodie, can God create a rock so heavy that even he
cannot lift?
Here's my feeling...I do not believe there is or has ever been God.
The whole concept was born out of cavemen looking for an explanation
and dreaming up this mystical notion of something greater than them.
Even if there is a God, I want no part of him due to the fact that 99%
of the worlds evil over time has been in His name. Sorry, not my kinda
guy. -1+1=your God is a ***** for allowing the holocaust and the
Crusades.
Perhaps because He gave us free will? Remember, though, God does
not condone these things as in every religious text one can see that He
states that there is a penalty (whether or not it is a literal, burning
lake
of fire & brimstone I would not bet on, but I don't think so.).
Ultimately,
though, I think eventually the world will become a better place, free
from
war and corruption. The religious texts that Islam, Christianity, etc.
are
based on do *not* condone violence, and one has to stop swallowing the
dogma of the clergy whole and instead look at them with an open mind
to see this. The "violent religion" is a perversion of the true
religion.
Randy Cox wrote:
"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
news:soimh21hah54a5pj01mmbn5d11c3mj7m52@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
wrote:
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
There is no epitome without it's opposite value.
You can not deduce such a fallacy without thinking. You proved thinking by
doing it....even if you did it in error... 0 = + right thinking - wrong
thinking. 0 = + my thinking - your thinking. ZERO = + belief - non-belief.
We are back where we started at ZERO.....but God remains the cause of the
alpha equation and the omega equation...first thought....first cause. Zero
remains the sum of the beginning and the sum of the end.
God needs no proof. God is the process of proof. In the beginning there
was void (Zero) then a voice spake light into the darkness........and the
voice was God. God looked and saw the light (proving the existence of his
concept...word....light) Seeing is light! Looking is seeing!
How arrogant to accept that you have voice and the ability to speak and see,
think and conceive but deny that such things as exist now defined as "you"
could have existed at the beginning defined as "First Cause" because it was
first....or God because that is what men who think decided to call the cause
of the beginning.
I see light; you see darkness. Because you see nothing you "think" that
proves there is nothing to see. That is the only fallacy that exists here.
You see not....because you look not!
There are still three kinds of people. Those who get math and those who
don't!
Randy R. Cox
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| User: "Charles D. Bohne" |
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03 Oct 2006 07:13:12 AM |
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On 3 Oct 2006 00:42:55 -0700, wrote:
God does
not condone these things as in every religious text one can see that He
states that there is a penalty
The "penalty" is living in the hell that we create for ourselves ....
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
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03 Oct 2006 07:55:28 AM |
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Charles D. Bohne wrote:
On 3 Oct 2006 00:42:55 -0700, wrote:
God does
not condone these things as in every religious text one can see that
He states that there is a penalty
The "penalty" is living in the hell that we create for ourselves ....
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
Heaven and hell are right here on earth...the trick is to recognize when.
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03 Oct 2006 09:56:49 AM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:55:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
Heaven and hell are right here on earth...the trick is to recognize when.
see my words right above yours :->
C.
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03 Oct 2006 10:05:58 AM |
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Charles D. Bohne wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:55:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
Heaven and hell are right here on earth...the trick is to recognize
when.
see my words right above yours :->
C.
Yes, it has nothing to do with religion.
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| User: "Charles D. Bohne" |
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03 Oct 2006 10:17:22 AM |
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:05:58 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Charles D. Bohne wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:55:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
Heaven and hell are right here on earth...the trick is to recognize
when.
see my words right above yours :->
C.
Yes, it has nothing to do with religion.
Absolutely, and it has nothing to do with sports as well, but what is
your point?
C.
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04 Oct 2006 05:53:03 PM |
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Charles D. Bohne wrote:
On 3 Oct 2006 00:42:55 -0700, wrote:
God does
not condone these things as in every religious text one can see that He
states that there is a penalty
The "penalty" is living in the hell that we create for ourselves ....
Yep, that's right! We create our own hell, that's what the "flames" of
hell
really represent -- the misery and suffering brought onto ourselves by
our own bad deeds. If there is a life after death, then I'm sure that
whatever
actions we do in this one will have some sort of ramification there
too...
You Got It Right!!!
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
And that's why I don't condone insulting in debates, online or offline.
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| User: "Charles D. Bohne" |
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04 Oct 2006 08:25:07 PM |
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On 4 Oct 2006 15:53:03 -0700, wrote:
The "penalty" is living in the hell that we create for ourselves ....
Yep, that's right! We create our own hell, that's what the "flames" of
hell
really represent -- the misery and suffering brought onto ourselves by
our own bad deeds. If there is a life after death, then I'm sure that
whatever
actions we do in this one will have some sort of ramification there
too...
You Got It Right!!!
Thank you!
P.S.: I trust in eternal reincarnation :-)
A world with love is heaven - one full of mistrust and hate is hell.
C.
And that's why I don't condone insulting in debates, online or offline.
Yes, here in these NGs, we could start to change the world by being
open and supporting to each other. It would not cost us a cent, and it
could be a start to a better live for all of us!
Have a good day, Mike44!
C.
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05 Oct 2006 12:32:13 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:25:07 +0200, "Charles D. Bohne"
<me@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
a better live for all of us!
sorry: life :-)
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04 Oct 2006 09:27:10 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:25:07 +0200, "Charles D. Bohne" <me@PasoSchweiz.de>
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Yes, here in these NGs, we could start to change the world by being
open and supporting to each other.
Not as long as you're a paid psychological operative.
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| User: "Charles D. Bohne" |
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05 Oct 2006 12:33:21 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:27:10 GMT, www.infowars.com <truth@r.us> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:25:07 +0200, "Charles D. Bohne" <me@PasoSchweiz.de>
wrote:
Yes, here in these NGs, we could start to change the world by being
open and supporting to each other.
Not as long as you're a paid psychological operative.
Don't forget to add: by NSA ;-)
{they will love that joke}
C.
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28 Sep 2006 03:16:08 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:58:38 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net>
wrote:
I see light; you see darkness. Because you see nothing you "think"
that proves there is nothing to see. That is the only fallacy that
exists here.
You see not....because you look not!
Yes, Randy!
Great!
C.
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Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
There is no epitome without it's opposite value.
You can not deduce such a fallacy without thinking. You proved thinking by
doing it....even if you did it in error... 0 = + right thinking - wrong
thinking. 0 = + my thinking - your thinking. ZERO = + belief - non-belief.
We are back where we started at ZERO.....but God remains the cause of the
alpha equation and the omega equation...first thought....first cause. Zero
remains the sum of the beginning and the sum of the end.
God needs no proof. God is the process of proof. In the beginning there
was void (Zero) then a voice spake light into the darkness........and the
voice was God. God looked and saw the light (proving the existence of his
concept...word....light) Seeing is light! Looking is seeing!
How arrogant to accept that you have voice and the ability to speak and see,
think and conceive but deny that such things as exist now defined as "you"
could have existed at the beginning defined as "First Cause" because it was
first....or God because that is what men who think decided to call the cause
of the beginning.
I see light; you see darkness. Because you see nothing you "think" that
proves there is nothing to see. That is the only fallacy that exists here.
You see not....because you look not!
There are still three kinds of people. Those who get math and those who
don't!
Randy R. Cox
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28 Sep 2006 02:52:38 AM |
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http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
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28 Sep 2006 11:46:37 PM |
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On 28 Sep 2006 00:52:38 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
Your view of atheism as a belief system is also correct.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Sep 2006 07:36:17 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:46:37 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 28 Sep 2006 00:52:38 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
Your view of atheism as a belief system is also correct.
AND PARANOID INSANE PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE BUSH HEAR GOD TALKING TO THEM
WHO MADE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA CRAZY?!?!
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29 Sep 2006 08:43:57 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:36:17 GMT, "http://www.infowars.com/"
<truth@r.us> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:46:37 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 28 Sep 2006 00:52:38 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
Your view of atheism as a belief system is also correct.
AND PARANOID INSANE PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE BUSH HEAR GOD TALKING TO THEM
WHO MADE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA CRAZY?!?!
Hillary talks to Eleanor Roosevelt.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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29 Sep 2006 09:56:19 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:43:57 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:36:17 GMT, "http://www.infowars.com/"
<truth@r.us> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:46:37 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 28 Sep 2006 00:52:38 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
Your view of atheism as a belief system is also correct.
AND PARANOID INSANE PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE BUSH HEAR GOD TALKING TO THEM
WHO MADE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA CRAZY?!?!
Hillary talks to Eleanor Roosevelt.
I'm sure the NSA is channeling Adolph Hitler.
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| User: "http://www.infowars.com/" |
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| Title: Re: Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
29 Sep 2006 10:12:11 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:56:19 GMT, "http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:43:57 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:36:17 GMT, "http://www.infowars.com/"
<truth@r.us> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:46:37 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On 28 Sep 2006 00:52:38 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:14 -0500, "Randy Cox" <randd49@airmail.net> wrote:
God is God by definition.
Defining an unproven by itself is the epitome of logical fallacy.
Its not unproven, its unprovable. If its unprovable, its undeniable...
guess it must be an act of faith for either side then?
Your view of atheism as a belief system is also correct.
AND PARANOID INSANE PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE BUSH HEAR GOD TALKING TO THEM
WHO MADE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA CRAZY?!?!
Hillary talks to Eleanor Roosevelt.
I'm sure the NSA is channeling Adolf Hitler.
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| User: "AcesLucky" |
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| Title: Re: Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
28 Sep 2006 12:43:34 AM |
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Randy Cox wrote:
"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
The probability of god's existence is for all intents and
purposes -- ZERO.
Correct! Agreed! Now here is another ZERO probability....but you have to
start with zero to comprehend it. Start before the beginning.
The probability of existence before existence is---ZERO
No its not. The probability of existence 'before' existence is an
impossibility, not zero. Look at it this way: the fact of existence
automatically proves your assertion (that the probability of existence
before existence is zero) is false. Since we exist, it could not be zero.
But the real point is that its an impossibility. There is no such thing
as "before existence". If there was ever a state of non existence, there
is where it would have to remain. (Because "something" cannot come from
"nothing".)
We dream existence that is not real. There is no way to prove that our
perception of existence is anything more than a dream.
Sure there is. Just drop a heavy brick on your toe. If you don't wake
up, you know its real.
We only think we exist...but we think. No one can fool you into thinking if
you do not really think, therefore you do think. I think; therefore I am.
Descartes!
Now back to math.
ZERO = ZERO 0 = 0
Do you agree? Of course, you do.....but.......
0 also = +1-1 0 = +1 -1+1-1 You can add all the values you can "think"
of as long as you match a positive value with a negative value and you still
get what you started with....EXCEPT what about all the "thinking"? What is
the value of thinking? How does it fit into existence. We know the sum
must equal zero but the equation continues to expand and we know we exist
because we think. We think; therefore we are!
We know there is matter and anti-matter. There is light and there is
darkness. There is good and there is evil. 0 = 0 0 =
+matter -anti-matter + light -darkness + good - evil.
0 = 0
Now, again go back to before existence with the uncluttered value of
zero....void....nothing.
No such thing. Logical error.
Thinking happened, we know because nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we
think unless we think.
Confusion. Nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we think...?
Starting at ZERO and moving
....what would that be? What is starting at zero? Whatever that "what"
is, is obviously not NOTHING. And that's the point you keep missing. You
start with a false premise. Guess where you end?
to the only thing we
know exists with a certainty as thought....we define the movement from pure
Zero to 0 = +1 -1 as creation. Now define the force of creation, the
concept of +1 -1, the thought of +1 -1 as the thinker and the first
thinker as God. We don't understand it, but we call it GOD....first cause
from the void of ZERO.
Zero is a placeholder for a quantity. If you put God in that place, it
is no longer zero, is it?
Now you have a proof of the existence of God. God is God by definition.
We don't at this point have understanding of God...just definition. Proof
is there for you to accept or reject depending upon what kind of person you
are. There are only three kinds of people....those who get math and those
who don't :-)
Randy R. Cox
Clearly you don't. Here's an example from your statement above:
0 =
+matter -anti-matter + light -darkness + good - evil.
All these are mathematically incorrect. Zero doesn't equal +matter
-anti-matter. You'd have to ADD them both. The anti-matter is already
negative. Also with light and darkness. It should be 0 = +light
+darkness. And 0 = good +evil.
Further, you don't seem to understand zero to be a placeholder for a
quantity. You state..."nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we think..."
There is at least one case where that doesn't appear to be true.
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| User: "Randy Cox" |
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| Title: Re: Just Say NO To God Beliefs |
28 Sep 2006 10:43:31 AM |
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"AcesLucky" <acesLucky@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:0hJSg.1274$ef2.959@fed1read09...
Randy Cox wrote:
"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
The probability of existence before existence is---ZERO
No its not. The probability of existence 'before' existence is an
impossibility, not zero. Look at it this way: the fact of existence
automatically proves your assertion (that the probability of existence
before existence is zero) is false. Since we exist, it could not be zero.
There is a difference between improbable and impossible. I will explain the
place holder zero later.
But the real point is that its an impossibility. There is no such thing as
"before existence". If there was ever a state of non existence, there is
where it would have to remain. (Because "something" cannot come from
"nothing".)
Define "thing" of the word "something". If the sum substance of "thing" is
zero...your premise would be invalid. If the sum of "thing" is >0 it would
be valid...except for the existence of the zero based "thing". Let us
assign the value 0 to the symbol "thing" or "something". Now with a 0
value we can express it like this: ZERO + "something" = 0
NOTE: to express requires existence that appears to defy the value zero.
How can zero be "expressed" If zero is the value of all that is, there
could be no expression of zero....yet we have the impossible concept of
zero....and we express it. That we express it moves the impossible to the
improbable...and finally to the probable. We know we are expressing the
concept zero and we agree on the definition of zero as value 0 and as
placeholder waiting for some value >0. Note: the concept "waiting". What
is the numerical value of "waiting"?
We dream existence that is not real. There is no way to prove that our
perception of existence is anything more than a dream.
Sure there is. Just drop a heavy brick on your toe. If you don't wake up,
you know its real.
What is the value of pain? How much does pain weigh? A body without pain
+ pain = a body with pain.....but a body without pain weighs the same as a
body without pain. So from a finite reference a body with pain = a body
without pain. First observation of the word finite....just take note.
<redundancy sniped>
Now, again go back to before existence with the uncluttered value of
zero....void....nothing.
No such thing. Logical error.
Logic requires a flow from a premise to a conclusion. Logic is a process
dependant upon beginning and end. So when something gets outside the
beginning and end of the process "Logic"....it could be defined as error.
So I do not disagree with your point. I just dare to go beyond the bounds
that contain you.
Starting at ZERO and moving
...what would that be? What is starting at zero? Whatever that "what" is,
is obviously not NOTHING. And that's the point you keep missing. You start
with a false premise. Guess where you end? You are still binding yourself
to the limitations of logic requiring a beginning and an end. You deny
there is a beginning, yet you confine yourself to a point after the
beginning.
Let us get back to the world of concept rather than reality. I happen to
link all reality to concept....but I won't require that from you. Free
yourself from the confines of your limitations for a moment and "move" into
concept only.
Now....draw a line to represent infinity. As a symbol it will have a
beginning and an end, but being finite beings with finite space our line
must start and end. Just conceive that the line continues beyond the
beginning and beyond the end.....and accept the concept that you could add
an inch, or a foot, or a mile to each end. Conceive that the line you draw
is infinite on both ends though your symbol of the line is not.
Now! Put a point in the center of this line "infinity" Number some points
to the right as 1, 2, 3, and accept the concept of points continuing beyond
the line and points you have drawn to infinity. Next! Number some points
to the left as -1, -2, -3, and accept the concept of points continuing
beyond the line and points you have drawn to infinity.
<let us skip along through the discourse as I am trying to follow your
thinking with my own and share my work with yours>
to the only thing we
know exists with a certainty as thought....we define the movement from
pure
Zero to 0 = +1 -1 as creation. Now define the force of creation, the
concept of +1 -1, the thought of +1 -1 as the thinker and the first
thinker as God. We don't understand it, but we call it GOD....first
cause
from the void of ZERO.
Zero is a placeholder for a quantity. If you put God in that place, it is
no longer zero, is it?
Yes.....and no! You and I start somewhere on the line of positives. We
have a beginning called birth, beyond which most of us have no memory. We
observe endings (deaths) all around us and assume that our own ending is
coming. We are finite beings. When we conceive of things outside our
finity....we must look into a blur. Consider that we have a range of
vision.
We can see so far and then we can see no more. If we change the direction
of our looking the end of our vision draws a circle until we come back to
where we were looking at the beginning. The concept of circle is
important...but so is the concept of limit of our vision. Make that
complete circle of vision beginning to end and call it...."finity". Now
look beyond that. You can't see the same...but you can conceive beyond the
range of your vision. It is a blur of more conceptual than visual, but as
the concept matures it moves from a blur to a true vision. Ever how far
you are able to see beyond the range of your old vision, you increase the
old range to a new expanded one. Now you can turn and your increased range
of vision makes a new circle. It is a new expanded finity for you. It is
still limited vision because you are still a finite being, but it has
"moved". Remember when our exercise "moved" from zero to +1 -1. At this
point the finite nature of your being will scream. "Stop looking! This is
nonsense!" You can yield to the resistance of your thought process and
remain in the prison of your limited reality....or you can move into the
blurr and expand your reality.
Your value for zero is finite. It is what it is in the limitations of your
reality. It actually can not exist because you know intuitively that there
is more than zero, and something can not come from nothing. Confined to a
finite reality....you are absolutely correct. I do not confine myself to
that limitation. I build an expanded reality with concept. The more I
conceive the larger my reality.
Einstein knew things intuitively, too! He said an infinite line would
continue in space until it came back to itself. Take a strip of paper say
an inch wide and twelve inches long. Twist the paper once and then tape one
end to the other. Now if you look at this from the side, it would resemble
a figure "8" laying on its side. That is the universal symbol for infinity.
You have created a single plane. If you put a lady bug on a spot on the
strip of paper you have twisted and taped together and let that lady bug
start walking in a set direction and observe....this is what you would
observe: The lady bug could walk in that same direction for infinity. The
first time she came to the taped spot she would be on top (or bottom) and
then next time around she would be on bottom (or top). Her direction would
always be forward, yet relative to an observer....sometimes it would be one
direction and sometimes another.
Our finite time has a beginning and the assumption of an end. Time outside
our existence is not finite but infinite and differs from our limited
concept. Einstein suspected time and infinity exists as the paper plane we
created. I know I didn't actually create such a paper plane...and you
probably didn't either. We conceived of it. Our minds are disciplined
enough to do that. The difference between the concept of a paper plane
called infinity and an actual paper plane may well be only the difference of
perspective. If it was our conception....it would be our conception. If it
was actual for us, it's reality might be conception based outside our
reality.(existing in the infinite discipline of infinite thought....first
cause....God). Conceptually we would be the lady bug crawling around on the
twisted and taped strip of paper. Our paper and the lady bug upon it was
concept only....it has a value of zero and a weight of zero...but as you
said, because we thought it, it would be >0
So in infinity Zero = 0 = infinity. Zero = + finite - infinite. Zero is
a placeholder, as you say, for nothing waiting for something.....and
everything waiting for nothing at the same time.
Time is a circle of movement of "things" (thing = zero = +1-1 = 0) relative
to each other moving forward, twisted in a way that permits infinite motion
forever.
Now you have a proof of the existence of God. God is God by definition.
We don't at this point have understanding of God...just definition.
Proof
is there for you to accept or reject depending upon what kind of person
you
are. There are only three kinds of people....those who get math and
those
who don't :-)
Randy R. Cox
Clearly you don't. Here's an example from your statement above:
0 =
+matter -anti-matter + light -darkness + good - evil.
All these are mathematically incorrect. Zero doesn't equal
+matter -anti-matter. You'd have to ADD them both. The anti-matter is
already negative. Also with light and darkness. It should be 0 = +light
+darkness. And 0 = good +evil.
Yes, yes, you are correct. 0 = good + evil. Most people can understand
the concept of adding a positive value to 0 as long as you add an equal
negative value. There is plenty of verbiage in my explanation without going
there, but next time I'll try to find a way to succinctly do that. Your
expression assumes correctly the positive value of the one and the opposite
or negative value of the other. You are correct; I expressed it (+-)
because I was trying to communicate with people who already demonstrated a
difficulty in defining God as an abstract value of First Cause....which is
just another way of saying "Creator". Adding a negative to a positive is
the same thing as subtracting a negative value from a positive value.
+1-1= 0 = 1 + (-1) = 0
Good being defined as (+ on a scale of Good and Bad) and Bad being defined
as (-on a scale of Good and Bad) I'm a philosopher using very simple math
to explain something that approaches the unexplainable.
People, especially skeptics, have a hard time not defining God as the
personal concept as they have seen in others.....(the old man with white
hair that speaks with the voice from a Charleston Hesston Movie)
Further, you don't seem to understand zero to be a placeholder for a
quantity. You state..."nothing "0" can fool us into thinking we think..."
Okay that was a play on words, maybe confusing to one trying to follow the
math of it...but it is still part of a Cartesian proof...not mine. Nothing
can fool us into thinking we think unless we do indeed think. We have to
think before we can think we think. Lots of concept in those words. God
is nothing because God exists in the vacuum of nothing, yet God is
everything. God is first cause........and the cause of last cause. God is
that which "caused" us to think. If all "things" exist on the twisted
circle, one must start somewhere as one begins to try to understand.
Descartes started by mistrusting every assumption. He knew he was capable
of illusion and therefore any observation he might make might not be as he
observed it...but different, therefore unreliable to arrive at any absolute
truth. The only thing he could be sure of...was that he was thinking and
that he couldn't even think about thinking unless his thinking was indeed
genuine thought....even though it might be faulty thinking....it was
thinking.
Define the cause of Descartes' thinking as God........and we begin to
assemble some understanding from his starting point. The tragic thing about
understanding God is that after the concept of God is accepted the next
premise to be adopted is that God is far too large a concept for any man or
group of men to fully understand. So by definition ( as it progresses) that
which we know about God will always be less than that which we don't know.
Then the third illogical thing that happens among men is that they are
certain that other concepts of God that differ than their own are certainly
wrong.
Isn't that strange that men who acknowledge their own limitations in
understanding God can be so certain that the understandings of others which
differ from their own have to be wrong? How can any with a limited
understanding be qualified to judge the understanding of others?
Then there are those poor souls that reject God because they see pain and
evil and bad, and don't like those things, therefore reject the concept of
God assuming a God would do away with those things and leave only the
positive things.
How could we have light without darkness. Once we separate void into light
and darkness then we can have the concept of light....but only with the
contrast of darkness to define it. If you lose darkness, you'd lose light.
Same with all other contrasting values. Together good + evil = good Back
to the error you pointed out I made in my proof. The good which is one
term of two on one side of the equation is obviously not = to good that is
the sum of good = evil. We are humans and words sometimes fail us...but
reality serves us whether we have the appropriate words to communicate our
various understandings or not.
You have found flaw in my proof...but to do that you had to follow the
process either now or in the past. When you did that, you expanded
your range of vision. Even if you choose to reject the concept of God as
first cause........something caused you to engage in this certain thought
process. I call that cause...God! You can call it whatever you want to
call it.
Randy R. Cox
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