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"LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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18 Aug 2004 08:53:48 AM |
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Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
How he obtained the awards is unknown, since his continued refusal to
execute Standard Form 180 means that whatever other documents exist are
known only to Kerry, the Department of Defense and God.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121346-4803r.htm
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| User: "NotBush2004" |
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| Title: Rightwing Liars for Bush sez: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
18 Aug 2004 09:04:10 AM |
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"Senator Kerry's entire military service record is posted on JohnKerry.com.
His entire record," said Michael Meehan, adviser for communications to the
campaign, at a press conference called to defend Mr. Kerry against recent
charges that the former Navy lieutenant didn't deserve some of his war
decorations — three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star.
Mr. Meehan, acknowledging that Mr. Kerry has not signed Standard Form 180,
said the records have all been laid out nonetheless.
"Has he signed the form?" he asked. "No. What he's signed is his release
of privacy to the United States Navy to turn over his entire military record
and he's posted it up on his Web site, so the whole world can see his entire
military record."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121345-3874r.htm
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
What you chickenhawks are doing is calling all medals earned in combat into
question while ignoring the very real possibility that Bush is AWOL or a
deserter.
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Swift Boat Veterans For Hypocrisy
Indeed, a veterans group (Swift Boat Veterans For Truth) supporting the
President holds as it's mission: "We believe it is incumbent on ALL
presidential candidates to be totally honest and forthcoming regarding
personal background and policy information that would help the voting public
make an informed decision when choosing the next president of the United
States." It is in that spirit that I offer the following.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/08/con04325.html
How he obtained the awards is unknown, since his continued refusal to
execute Standard Form 180 means that whatever other documents exist are
known only to Kerry, the Department of Defense and God.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121346-4803r.htm
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Purple Heart Number Three
The Boston Globe June 6, 2003 --. . . On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated
near Kerry's boat, wounding Kerry in the right arm, according to the
citation written by [Navy Admiral Elmo "Bud"] Zumwalt. Guerrillas started
firing on the boats from the shoreline. Kerry then realized that he had lost
overboard a Green Beret who is identified only as "Rassman."
"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation from that day. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to
provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm
bleeding and in pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the
man aboard. Lt. Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other
damaged craft and towed the boat to safety. Lt. Kerry's calmness,
professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with
the highest traditions of the US Naval Service," Zumwalt's citation said.
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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| Title: Re: Rightwing Liars for Bush sez: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
20 Aug 2004 07:47:28 AM |
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In article <fmJUc.99564$0V3.55123@roc.nntpserver.com>,
"NotBush2004" <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote:
"Senator Kerry's entire military service record is posted on JohnKerry.com.
His entire record," said Michael Meehan, adviser for communications to the
campaign, at a press conference called to defend Mr. Kerry against recent
charges that the former Navy lieutenant didn't deserve some of his war
decorations — three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star.
Mr. Meehan, acknowledging that Mr. Kerry has not signed Standard Form 180,
said the records have all been laid out nonetheless.
BZZZZZZT!!!! Mr. Meehan is INCORRECT!!!
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/20/kerry_r
efuses_to_release_more_records/
and
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2740155
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Rightwing Liars for Bush sez: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
18 Aug 2004 09:03:32 AM |
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Washington Times = Moonie *****
"NotBush2004" <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote in message
news:fmJUc.99564$0V3.55123@roc.nntpserver.com...
"Senator Kerry's entire military service record is posted on
JohnKerry.com.
His entire record," said Michael Meehan, adviser for communications to the
campaign, at a press conference called to defend Mr. Kerry against recent
charges that the former Navy lieutenant didn't deserve some of his war
decorations — three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star.
Mr. Meehan, acknowledging that Mr. Kerry has not signed Standard Form 180,
said the records have all been laid out nonetheless.
"Has he signed the form?" he asked. "No. What he's signed is his
release
of privacy to the United States Navy to turn over his entire military
record
and he's posted it up on his Web site, so the whole world can see his
entire
military record."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121345-3874r.htm
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
What you chickenhawks are doing is calling all medals earned in combat
into
question while ignoring the very real possibility that Bush is AWOL or a
deserter.
--
Swift Boat Veterans For Hypocrisy
Indeed, a veterans group (Swift Boat Veterans For Truth) supporting the
President holds as it's mission: "We believe it is incumbent on ALL
presidential candidates to be totally honest and forthcoming regarding
personal background and policy information that would help the voting
public
make an informed decision when choosing the next president of the United
States." It is in that spirit that I offer the following.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/08/con04325.html
How he obtained the awards is unknown, since his continued refusal to
execute Standard Form 180 means that whatever other documents exist are
known only to Kerry, the Department of Defense and God.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121346-4803r.htm
--
Purple Heart Number Three
The Boston Globe June 6, 2003 --. . . On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated
near Kerry's boat, wounding Kerry in the right arm, according to the
citation written by [Navy Admiral Elmo "Bud"] Zumwalt. Guerrillas started
firing on the boats from the shoreline. Kerry then realized that he had
lost
overboard a Green Beret who is identified only as "Rassman."
"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation from that day. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to
provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his
arm
bleeding and in pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled
the
man aboard. Lt. Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the
other
damaged craft and towed the boat to safety. Lt. Kerry's calmness,
professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with
the highest traditions of the US Naval Service," Zumwalt's citation said.
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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| Title: Re: Rightwing Liars for Bush sez: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
20 Aug 2004 07:54:46 AM |
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In article <UkJUc.7358$J36.983@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>,
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Washington Times = Moonie *****
Hee hee! What does that make the New York Times which still
refuses to report that Kerry is the only one in this debate
who has been refuted and forced to retract obvious lies?
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/27161.htm
Kerry (or the NYT) hasn't successfully refuted a single allegation of
the Swiftees.
Answer this question: Where was John Kerry on Christmas Even 1968?
The New York Times readers and Washington Post readers don't know.
The rest of the world knows.
Why are the NYT and WaPo suppressing the truth?
What's your phrase for that?
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| User: "john doe" |
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| Title: Re: Rightwing Liars for Bush sez: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
20 Aug 2004 09:11:24 AM |
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??>> Washington Times = Moonie *****
L> Hee hee! What does that make the New York Times which still
L> refuses to report that Kerry is the only one in this debate
L> who has been refuted and forced to retract obvious lies?
L> http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/27161.htm
L> Kerry (or the NYT) hasn't successfully refuted a single allegation of
L> the Swiftees.
L> Answer this question: Where was John Kerry on Christmas Even 1968?
L> The New York Times readers and Washington Post readers don't know.
L> The rest of the world knows.
Again ....just a shield used by Dumbyas minions to repel the fact that
geogie was AWOL and in fact never even fought in any war.
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| User: "Roger" |
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20 Aug 2004 04:19:06 PM |
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"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-ED0B5A.08544620082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
In article <UkJUc.7358$J36.983@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>,
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Washington Times = Moonie *****
Hee hee! What does that make the New York Times which still
refuses to report that Kerry is the only one in this debate
who has been refuted and forced to retract obvious lies?
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/27161.htm
Kerry (or the NYT) hasn't successfully refuted a single allegation of
the Swiftees.
You're using Murdock's right-wing nutball NY Post to defend Moon's
right-wing nutball Washington Times?
Wha?
Answer this question: Where was John Kerry on Christmas Even 1968?
The New York Times readers and Washington Post readers don't know.
The rest of the world knows.
Why are the NYT and WaPo suppressing the truth?
What's your phrase for that?
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| User: "John Slade" |
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18 Aug 2004 10:25:22 AM |
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"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve.
Is there any documented evidence that proves this claim? Hell the
accounts I've read made no such claim. You sure you want to keep spouting
this horse *****?
John
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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20 Aug 2004 07:48:33 AM |
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In article <CxKUc.5591$cY4.317@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve.
Is there any documented evidence that proves this claim? Hell the
accounts I've read made no such claim. You sure you want to keep spouting
this horse *****?
John
"There was no report of hostile fire that day (as would be required),
nor do the records at Cam Ranh Bay reveal such hostile fire. No other
records reflect hostile fire. There is no casualty report, as would have
been required had there actually been a casualty."
Read the whole story:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040818-121346-4803r.htm
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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20 Aug 2004 12:35:25 PM |
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LaffsAtTheLaffer wrote:
In article <CxKUc.5591$cY4.317@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve.
Is there any documented evidence that proves this claim? Hell the
accounts I've read made no such claim. You sure you want to keep spouting
this horse *****?
John
"There was no report of hostile fire that day (as would be required),
nor do the records at Cam Ranh Bay reveal such hostile fire. No other
records reflect hostile fire. There is no casualty report, as would have
been required had there actually been a casualty."
The only report of hostile fire that day was what Kerry fabricated in
his report he turned in to get his medal. When swift boat #3 hit the
mine, chicken heart Kerry fled the scene, while all other swift boats
stayed to help boat #3. Rassmann, who was on Kerry's boat, fell
overboard. Kerry finally dredged up enough guts to turn back for
Rassmann and got to him only seconds before another swift boat was
coming to the rescue. All this time, they were taking no emeny fire. For
this Kerry frabricates a story that gets him a medal. He should have
been court marshalled for fleeing and all the other swift boat crews
given medals for staying to aid boat #3. Kerry has a yellow streak a
mile wide down his back and this is the best the dummycrats can do for a
Presidential canadiate.
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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18 Aug 2004 10:03:52 AM |
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"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
By all accounts, ANYTHING coming from the Reich Wing republicans is insane
crap - merely spewn to smear Kerry!
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 10:55:00 AM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:10i6rupa4gfgr83@corp.supernews.com...
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
By all accounts, ANYTHING coming from the Reich Wing republicans is insane
crap - merely spewn to smear Kerry!
This is coming from the spot report Kerry posted on his web site. The book
merely called them to the attention of the people. All you gotta do is read
them. John Kerry lied in order to get medals, pure and simple and provable
with his very own documents.
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "bernard spilman" |
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18 Aug 2004 12:20:33 PM |
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"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in message
news:oZKUc.21991359$Of.3663871@news.easynews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:10i6rupa4gfgr83@corp.supernews.com...
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days
in
Vietnam before running for anything.
By all accounts, ANYTHING coming from the Reich Wing republicans is
insane
crap - merely spewn to smear Kerry!
This is coming from the spot report Kerry posted on his web site. The book
merely called them to the attention of the people. All you gotta do is
read
them. John Kerry lied in order to get medals, pure and simple and provable
with his very own documents.
How much lying would "AWOL Bush" and "5 Deferment Cheney" have to do
to get a medal? You lie about a true American patriot and try to sell us
cowards as heros. We ain't buying it.
WS
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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20 Aug 2004 08:31:08 AM |
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In article <BdMUc.175414$wH4.11440500@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"bernard spilman" <bspilmanNOSPAM@nc.rr.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in message
news:oZKUc.21991359$Of.3663871@news.easynews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:10i6rupa4gfgr83@corp.supernews.com...
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days
in
Vietnam before running for anything.
By all accounts, ANYTHING coming from the Reich Wing republicans is
insane
crap - merely spewn to smear Kerry!
This is coming from the spot report Kerry posted on his web site. The book
merely called them to the attention of the people. All you gotta do is
read
them. John Kerry lied in order to get medals, pure and simple and provable
with his very own documents.
How much lying would "AWOL Bush" and "5 Deferment Cheney" have to do
to get a medal? You lie about a true American patriot and try to sell us
cowards as heros. We ain't buying it.
WS
Why didn't you mention "Deferment Edwards?"
Bush was never AWOL. Terry McAuliffe and the DNC tried to say he did.
The NYT investigated it fully and reported. There is nothing there.
On the other hand, the NYT has yet to report on Kerry's "Christmas
in Cambodia." Why?
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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20 Aug 2004 07:41:57 AM |
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In article <10i6rupa4gfgr83@corp.supernews.com>,
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
"LaffsAtTheLaffer" <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in message
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net...
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve. If Kerry
faked even one of these awards, he owed the Navy 243 additional days in
Vietnam before running for anything.
By all accounts, ANYTHING coming from the Reich Wing republicans is insane
crap - merely spewn to smear Kerry!
In the ensuing time it has reduced the left to screaming, whining,
hissing, name-calling fits, none of which have successfully refuted a
single allegation of the SBVTs. Not one. They've tried legal
intimidation, they've called on Bush, who had nothing to do with the
McCain's ***** step-child, to condemn the ad. They've tried to divert
attention by slamming those who paid for the ad as being partisan.
They've tried to change the subject by attempting to revive the "Bush
was AWOL" nonsense.
But what they haven't done is successfully refute a single allegation of
the Swiftees.
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| User: "Kilgore Trout" |
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18 Aug 2004 12:51:15 PM |
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LaffsAtTheLaffer <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net:
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve.
The militray has a process to review disputed medals. By all accounts,
none of the swift boat vets that are casting aspersions on Kerry's service
have ever filed the forms to begin a military review of the medals. Why
would that be?
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 02:03:46 PM |
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"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95496E6AC3375kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
LaffsAtTheLaffer <LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs@rightwingers.com> wrote in
news:LaffsAtTheGuyWhoLaffs-3FEF13.09534818082004@v1gc.ha-net.ptd.net:
By all accounts, Kerry got purple hearts he didn't deserve.
The militray has a process to review disputed medals. By all accounts,
none of the swift boat vets that are casting aspersions on Kerry's service
have ever filed the forms to begin a military review of the medals. Why
would that be?
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware of him
having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is public knowledge and
who knows what might come of it.
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "Kilgore Trout" |
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18 Aug 2004 02:54:39 PM |
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"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in
news:mKNUc.21998484$Of.3665283@news.easynews.com:
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware of
him having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is public
knowledge and who knows what might come of it.
The Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" have known about his Purple Hearts, Silver
Star and Bronze Star for 35 fucking years. For 35 years they couldn't be
bothered to fill out a form? Give me a break....
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 03:22:04 PM |
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"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95498356DD916kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in
news:mKNUc.21998484$Of.3665283@news.easynews.com:
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware of
him having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is public
knowledge and who knows what might come of it.
The Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" have known about his Purple Hearts, Silver
Star and Bronze Star for 35
But they were not privy to what the spot reports and recommendations
actually said. All we ever got to see was the certificate of the awards.
I don't read past the ugly words.
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "james" |
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18 Aug 2004 03:44:23 PM |
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In article <MTOUc.190437$165.32877@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
I don't read past the ugly words.
And I don't look past the official record, which neither says that Bush
was AWOL, nor says that Kerry is anything but a decorated veteran.
Until something is presented to me that carries enough weight to change
the official record (which might require an Act of Congress), I consider
the matter closed, settled, and entirely irrelevant to contemporary
issues.
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:03:37 PM |
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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
news:HcPUc.69370$Lj.38543@fed1read03...
In article <MTOUc.190437$165.32877@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
I don't read past the ugly words.
And I don't look past the official record,
Well, Bush is the President and I don't care about his record. I didn't and
will not vote for him. But let me ask you this. Have you read the spot
report of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site and the Bronze Star
Recommendation of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site? Let's talk about
those, okay?
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "james" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:28:04 PM |
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In article <JuPUc.192021$165.32893@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Well, Bush is the President and I don't care about his record. I didn't and
will not vote for him. But let me ask you this. Have you read the spot
report of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site and the Bronze Star
Recommendation of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site? Let's talk about
those, okay?
Okay. I have trouble interpreting stuff like the spot report, but it
looks like he lucked out. Navigating your boat into a mine field is
the sort of thing that you'd be just about as likely to get a medal
for, get killed, or get disciplined for doing.
What's the problem?
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry reneges on promise to release his records |
18 Aug 2004 04:43:21 PM |
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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
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In article <JuPUc.192021$165.32893@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Well, Bush is the President and I don't care about his record. I didn't
and
will not vote for him. But let me ask you this. Have you read the spot
report of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site and the Bronze Star
Recommendation of March 13th, 1969 on the Kerry web site? Let's talk
about
those, okay?
Okay. I have trouble interpreting stuff like the spot report, but it
looks like he lucked out. Navigating your boat into a mine field is
the sort of thing that you'd be just about as likely to get a medal
for, get killed, or get disciplined for doing.
What's the problem?
Where did he say he got wounded?
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I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "james" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:46:19 PM |
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In article <Z3QUc.22004342$Of.3666429@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Where did he say he got wounded?
Sounds like the buttock, but I couldn't tell you which one.
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:51:58 PM |
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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
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In article <Z3QUc.22004342$Of.3666429@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Where did he say he got wounded?
Sounds like the buttock, but I couldn't tell you which one.
Now, read what he told his CO in order to get the Bronze Star resulting from
the March 13th event (Recommendation for Bronze Star). Where was he wounded?
Then read the spot report for his Purple Heart of 2 December 1968. Where was
he wounded?
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "james" |
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18 Aug 2004 04:58:02 PM |
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In article <2cQUc.22004626$Of.3666498@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Now, read what he told his CO in order to get the Bronze Star resulting from
the March 13th event (Recommendation for Bronze Star). Where was he wounded?
Then read the spot report for his Purple Heart of 2 December 1968. Where was
he wounded?
Looks like the contusions on the arm were reported, the matter of the
left buttock was dropped, perhaps for reasons of taste?
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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18 Aug 2004 05:09:16 PM |
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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
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In article <2cQUc.22004626$Of.3666498@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
Now, read what he told his CO in order to get the Bronze Star resulting
from
the March 13th event (Recommendation for Bronze Star). Where was he
wounded?
Then read the spot report for his Purple Heart of 2 December 1968. Where
was
he wounded?
Looks like the contusions on the arm were reported, the matter of the
left buttock was dropped, perhaps for reasons of taste?
Doesn't it look like the contusions became a bleeding wound? And you will
excuse me if I laugh at the "taste" comment, I hope.
Now, how about the sport report for the Purple Heart of 2 December 1968?
--
I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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| User: "LaffsAtTheLaffer" |
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20 Aug 2004 08:16:39 AM |
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In article <HcPUc.69370$Lj.38543@fed1read03>,
(james) wrote:
In article <MTOUc.190437$165.32877@news.easynews.com>,
Freedom Fighter <ff@freenet.net> wrote:
I don't read past the ugly words.
And I don't look past the official record, which neither says that Bush
was AWOL, nor says that Kerry is anything but a decorated veteran.
Until something is presented to me that carries enough weight to change
the official record (which might require an Act of Congress), I consider
the matter closed, settled, and entirely irrelevant to contemporary
issues.
The official record is being officially challenged:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/3794.shtml
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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18 Aug 2004 07:46:41 PM |
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"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95498356DD916kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in
news:mKNUc.21998484$Of.3665283@news.easynews.com:
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware of
him having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is public
knowledge and who knows what might come of it.
The Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" have known about his Purple Hearts, Silver
Star and Bronze Star for 35 fucking years. For 35 years they couldn't be
bothered to fill out a form? Give me a break....
They have indicated they will go under oath and testify to their claims.
Kerry was
asked if he would and he refused to answer the question. Hmmmm...
jt
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| User: "Kilgore Trout" |
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18 Aug 2004 09:49:43 PM |
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"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:RLSUc.2170$2L3.387@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95498356DD916kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in
news:mKNUc.21998484$Of.3665283@news.easynews.com:
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware
of him having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is
public knowledge and who knows what might come of it.
The Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" have known about his Purple Hearts,
Silver Star and Bronze Star for 35 fucking years. For 35 years they
couldn't be bothered to fill out a form? Give me a break....
They have indicated they will go under oath and testify to their
claims. Kerry was
asked if he would and he refused to answer the question. Hmmmm...
jt
All they need to do is file the form.
http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/dd0149.pdf
It's not hard. Since these guys "served with" Kerry, then surely in
1968/69 when he was awarded these medals they were aware of it. They
should have done something about it then. The fact that none of them have
done it for 35 years says it all.
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:29:25 AM |
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"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9549C9B47C231kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:RLSUc.2170$2L3.387@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Kilgore Trout" <nobody@here.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95498356DD916kilgoretrout@140.99.99.130...
"Freedom Fighter" <ff@freenet.net> wrote in
news:mKNUc.21998484$Of.3665283@news.easynews.com:
Because until Kerry posted his military records, no one was aware
of him having lied in order to get the medals. But, now it is
public knowledge and who knows what might come of it.
The Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" have known about his Purple Hearts,
Silver Star and Bronze Star for 35 fucking years. For 35 years they
couldn't be bothered to fill out a form? Give me a break....
They have indicated they will go under oath and testify to their
claims. Kerry was
asked if he would and he refused to answer the question. Hmmmm...
jt
All they need to do is file the form.
http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/dd0149.pdf
It's not hard. Since these guys "served with" Kerry, then surely in
1968/69 when he was awarded these medals they were aware of it. They
should have done something about it then. The fact that none of them have
done it for 35 years says it all.
The fact they are doing it now says a lot more. Why not let it play out?
John Kerry does not seem to be afraid to allow that. He has not spoken out
against them. So, apparently he is willing to let the chips fall where they
may. So, why should you be trying to play defense attorney?
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I don't need no social working government
taking my property to divy up with anybody.
If I see someone needing help, I'll decide if
I want to pitch in or not.
The Freedom Fighter
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