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Libby sentenced to 30 months in jail, $250,000 fine |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Harry
Democratic congressman indicted in bribery probe
By James Vicini
Tue Jun 5, 1:59 AM ET
U.S. Democratic Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record), accused
of hiding $90,000 of intended bribes in his freezer, was charged on Monday
with soliciting bribes and paying off a Nigerian official.
The 16-count indictment charges the Louisiana lawmaker with racketeering,
soliciting bribes for himself and his family, fraud, money laundering,
obstruction of justice, conspiracy and violating the Foreign Corrupt
Practices Act.
Jefferson, 63, a member of Congress since 1991 whose district includes New
Orleans, faces a maximum of 235 years in prison if convicted. His lawyer
said Jefferson was innocent and would fight the charges.
The investigation has centered on whether Jefferson used his position to
promote the sale of telecommunications equipment and services offered by a
Louisville-based firm to Nigeria, Ghana, and possibly other African nations
in return for stock and cash payments.
Jefferson won re-election to a ninth term in Congress in November, when
voters shrugged off the federal bribery investigation.
The indictment provided some new details about the lengthy probe, including
commentary from an FBI witness who gave Jefferson $100,000 in cash that was
intended as a bribe for the unnamed Nigerian official in 2005.
It said Jefferson put in his home freezer $90,000 of the cash, which was
separated in $10,000 amounts, wrapped in aluminum foil and concealed inside
various frozen food containers.
Jefferson said the bribes should be funneled through companies controlled by
staffers and relatives, according to the indictment. "I'm in the shadows
behind the curtain somewhere," the indictment quoted him as saying.
'CONGRESSMAN JEFFERSON IS INNOCENT'-ATTORNEY
Jefferson's attorney, Robert Trout, told a Los Angeles news conference that
his client would challenge the indictment and would not plea-bargain.
"Congressman Jefferson is innocent. He plans to fight this indictment and
clear his name," Trout said.
In November, Democrats won control of the U.S. Congress from Bush's
Republicans, promising to end a "culture of corruption."
Most of the scandals that have rocked Capitol Hill in recent years involved
Republicans, many of them briberies tied to now-convicted lobbyist Jack
Abramoff.
Former Republican Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio pleaded guilty last year in the
Abramoff scandal. In a separate case, former California Rep. Randy
Cunningham, a Republican, pleaded guilty to bribery charges.
Two former associates of Jefferson have pleaded guilty to bribery charges
and have been cooperating in the investigation, which included an
unprecedented search by FBI agents of his congressional office last year.
The indictment says the bribery conspiracy began in 2001.
It said the purpose of the conspiracy was "to provide for the unjust
enrichment of defendant Jefferson and his family members by corruptly
seeking, soliciting and directing that things of value be paid to him and
his family members in return for ... Jefferson's performance of official
acts."
In Congress, House Republican leader John Boehner (news, bio, voting record)
said he planned to introduce a resolution to have the ethics committee
review the case against Jefferson and recommend within 30 days if Jefferson
should be removed from office.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), a California
Democrat, said if the charges are true, "they constitute an egregious and
unacceptable abuse of public trust and power." But she cautioned he "must be
considered innocent until proven guilty."
(Additional reporting by Thomas Ferraro and Andy Sullivan in Washington and
Kemp Powers in Los Angeles)
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MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER!!!
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05 Jun 2007 03:33:40 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Democratic congressman indicted in bribery probe
By James Vicini
Tue Jun 5, 1:59 AM ET
U.S. Democratic Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record), accused
of hiding $90,000 of intended bribes in his freezer, was charged on Monday
with soliciting bribes and paying off a Nigerian official.
The 16-count indictment charges the Louisiana lawmaker with racketeering,
soliciting bribes for himself and his family, fraud, money laundering,
obstruction of justice, conspiracy and violating the Foreign Corrupt
Practices Act.
Jefferson, 63, a member of Congress since 1991 whose district includes New
Orleans, faces a maximum of 235 years in prison if convicted. His lawyer
said Jefferson was innocent and would fight the charges.
The investigation has centered on whether Jefferson used his position to
promote the sale of telecommunications equipment and services offered by a
Louisville-based firm to Nigeria, Ghana, and possibly other African
nations in return for stock and cash payments.
Jefferson won re-election to a ninth term in Congress in November, when
voters shrugged off the federal bribery investigation.
The indictment provided some new details about the lengthy probe,
including commentary from an FBI witness who gave Jefferson $100,000 in
cash that was intended as a bribe for the unnamed Nigerian official in
2005.
It said Jefferson put in his home freezer $90,000 of the cash, which was
separated in $10,000 amounts, wrapped in aluminum foil and concealed
inside various frozen food containers.
Jefferson said the bribes should be funneled through companies controlled
by staffers and relatives, according to the indictment. "I'm in the
shadows behind the curtain somewhere," the indictment quoted him as
saying.
'CONGRESSMAN JEFFERSON IS INNOCENT'-ATTORNEY
Jefferson's attorney, Robert Trout, told a Los Angeles news conference
that his client would challenge the indictment and would not plea-bargain.
"Congressman Jefferson is innocent. He plans to fight this indictment and
clear his name," Trout said.
In November, Democrats won control of the U.S. Congress from Bush's
Republicans, promising to end a "culture of corruption."
Most of the scandals that have rocked Capitol Hill in recent years
involved Republicans, many of them briberies tied to now-convicted
lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Former Republican Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio pleaded guilty last year in the
Abramoff scandal. In a separate case, former California Rep. Randy
Cunningham, a Republican, pleaded guilty to bribery charges.
Two former associates of Jefferson have pleaded guilty to bribery charges
and have been cooperating in the investigation, which included an
unprecedented search by FBI agents of his congressional office last year.
The indictment says the bribery conspiracy began in 2001.
It said the purpose of the conspiracy was "to provide for the unjust
enrichment of defendant Jefferson and his family members by corruptly
seeking, soliciting and directing that things of value be paid to him and
his family members in return for ... Jefferson's performance of official
acts."
In Congress, House Republican leader John Boehner (news, bio, voting
record) said he planned to introduce a resolution to have the ethics
committee review the case against Jefferson and recommend within 30 days
if Jefferson should be removed from office.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), a California
Democrat, said if the charges are true, "they constitute an egregious and
unacceptable abuse of public trust and power." But she cautioned he "must
be considered innocent until proven guilty."
(Additional reporting by Thomas Ferraro and Andy Sullivan in Washington
and Kemp Powers in Los Angeles)
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MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER!!!
He should go to jail too. What's yer point, you jack-booted, party loving
piece of *****.
Dave
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| User: "robw" |
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05 Jun 2007 08:06:46 PM |
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How many times you gonna post this?
heehee
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Democratic congressman indicted in bribery probe
By James Vicini
Tue Jun 5, 1:59 AM ET
U.S. Democratic Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record), accused
of hiding $90,000 of intended bribes in his freezer, was charged on Monday
with soliciting bribes and paying off a Nigerian official.
The 16-count indictment charges the Louisiana lawmaker with racketeering,
soliciting bribes for himself and his family, fraud, money laundering,
obstruction of justice, conspiracy and violating the Foreign Corrupt
Practices Act.
Jefferson, 63, a member of Congress since 1991 whose district includes New
Orleans, faces a maximum of 235 years in prison if convicted. His lawyer
said Jefferson was innocent and would fight the charges.
The investigation has centered on whether Jefferson used his position to
promote the sale of telecommunications equipment and services offered by a
Louisville-based firm to Nigeria, Ghana, and possibly other African
nations
in return for stock and cash payments.
Jefferson won re-election to a ninth term in Congress in November, when
voters shrugged off the federal bribery investigation.
The indictment provided some new details about the lengthy probe,
including
commentary from an FBI witness who gave Jefferson $100,000 in cash that
was
intended as a bribe for the unnamed Nigerian official in 2005.
It said Jefferson put in his home freezer $90,000 of the cash, which was
separated in $10,000 amounts, wrapped in aluminum foil and concealed
inside
various frozen food containers.
Jefferson said the bribes should be funneled through companies controlled
by
staffers and relatives, according to the indictment. "I'm in the shadows
behind the curtain somewhere," the indictment quoted him as saying.
'CONGRESSMAN JEFFERSON IS INNOCENT'-ATTORNEY
Jefferson's attorney, Robert Trout, told a Los Angeles news conference
that
his client would challenge the indictment and would not plea-bargain.
"Congressman Jefferson is innocent. He plans to fight this indictment and
clear his name," Trout said.
In November, Democrats won control of the U.S. Congress from Bush's
Republicans, promising to end a "culture of corruption."
Most of the scandals that have rocked Capitol Hill in recent years
involved
Republicans, many of them briberies tied to now-convicted lobbyist Jack
Abramoff.
Former Republican Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio pleaded guilty last year in the
Abramoff scandal. In a separate case, former California Rep. Randy
Cunningham, a Republican, pleaded guilty to bribery charges.
Two former associates of Jefferson have pleaded guilty to bribery charges
and have been cooperating in the investigation, which included an
unprecedented search by FBI agents of his congressional office last year.
The indictment says the bribery conspiracy began in 2001.
It said the purpose of the conspiracy was "to provide for the unjust
enrichment of defendant Jefferson and his family members by corruptly
seeking, soliciting and directing that things of value be paid to him and
his family members in return for ... Jefferson's performance of official
acts."
In Congress, House Republican leader John Boehner (news, bio, voting
record)
said he planned to introduce a resolution to have the ethics committee
review the case against Jefferson and recommend within 30 days if
Jefferson
should be removed from office.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), a California
Democrat, said if the charges are true, "they constitute an egregious and
unacceptable abuse of public trust and power." But she cautioned he "must
be
considered innocent until proven guilty."
(Additional reporting by Thomas Ferraro and Andy Sullivan in Washington
and
Kemp Powers in Los Angeles)
__________________________________________________
MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER!!!
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05 Jun 2007 03:21:34 PM |
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On Jun 5, 12:32 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Harry
Democratic congressman indicted in bribery probe
Let us know when he's been convicted like Libby.
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MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER!!!
The Jefferson case has been going on for two years.
Pelosi kicked Jefferson out of his committees.
Jefferson was re-elected.
Compared to the Repugs, this is the most ethical Congress in recent
history.
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05 Jun 2007 03:24:24 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:32:16 GMT, "SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com>
wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER!!!
Here: http://tinyurl.com/8btcz
This certainly puts things in it's proper perspective, now doesn't it?
" . . . The law presumes that persons charged with crime are innocent
until they are proven, by competent evidence, to be guilty. To the
benefit of this presumption the defendants are all entitled, and this
presumption stands as their sufficient protection, unless it has been
removed by evidence proving their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt . .
.." - Coffin v. United States, 156 US 432 (1895)
http://tagheuerblog.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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05 Jun 2007 11:15:59 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Harry
Too little time, not enough money. Maybe he can be cellmates with "The
Dukestir."
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| User: "Daniel" |
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05 Jun 2007 11:18:59 AM |
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...No crime was ever committed, and if it's not overturned on
appeal, he will be pardoned, just as he should be.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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05 Jun 2007 01:00:33 PM |
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"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
No crime was ever committed, and if it's not overturned on
appeal, he will be pardoned, just as he should be.
Perjury (four counts) is a crime. He should not be pardoned, but will be
right after the 2008 elections. If he should be pardoned, then Bush should
do it right now. Do you think that he will? Or, will he wait until after
the 2008 elections?
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05 Jun 2007 01:43:03 PM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
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Perjury (four counts) is a crime. He should not be pardoned, but will be
right after the 2008 elections. If he should be pardoned, then Bush
should do it right now. Do you think that he will? Or, will he wait
until after the 2008 elections?
If he does, that will be an impeachable offense as it indicates a conspiracy
to keep things quiet.
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05 Jun 2007 05:15:01 PM |
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Is it perjury to lie to the UN or to Congress during the state of the union?
That is why I think the crime of perjury was repealed by executive order of
Pres. Bush.
--
Lubow
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
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"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
No crime was ever committed, and if it's not overturned on
appeal, he will be pardoned, just as he should be.
Perjury (four counts) is a crime. He should not be pardoned, but will be
right after the 2008 elections. If he should be pardoned, then Bush
should do it right now. Do you think that he will? Or, will he wait
until after the 2008 elections?
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06 Jun 2007 08:35:57 AM |
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On Jun 5, 6:15 pm, "lubow" <l...@lubow-industries.com> wrote:
Is it perjury to lie to the UN or to Congress during the state of the union?
"Perjury" requires you to be under oath in a court of law.
"Throw the bum out in the next election" is the proper
punishment if you're convinced that your elected leader
is lying in public venues in a way you disapprove of, so
you can replace him with a leader whose lies are more
to your liking.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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05 Jun 2007 03:40:54 PM |
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On Jun 5, 2:00 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
And, oddly enough, no one was ever charged
with the criminal act Libby was supposedly
lying about, and the prosecutor in the case
isn't even looking for the person who
supposedly outed Valerie Plame. It almost
looks like Libby's conviction is the booby
prize for an investigation that needed
something, anything, to show that it
didn't waste all that time, hoopla, money
and political capital on a wild goose chase.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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06 Jun 2007 09:29:58 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 2:00 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
And, oddly enough, no one was ever charged
with the criminal act Libby was supposedly
lying about, and the prosecutor in the case
isn't even looking for the person who
supposedly outed Valerie Plame. It almost
He knows the first person to out Valerie Plame, so there is no need for him
to look.
looks like Libby's conviction is the booby
prize for an investigation that needed
something, anything, to show that it
didn't waste all that time, hoopla, money
and political capital on a wild goose chase.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Oddly enough, it is difficult to charge anybody with a crime when the major
witness lies about his involvement in it as well as the involvement of the
actual perpetrators. That is what the "obstruction of justice" charge was
all about. Libby's conviction is quite significant in that it sends a
message to the liars in the Bush administration (which means most of the
Bush administration).
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| User: "Bob" |
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06 Jun 2007 09:48:07 AM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 2:00 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
And, oddly enough, no one was ever charged
with the criminal act Libby was supposedly
lying about, and the prosecutor in the case
isn't even looking for the person who
supposedly outed Valerie Plame. It almost
He knows the first person to out Valerie Plame, so there is no need for
him to look.
looks like Libby's conviction is the booby
prize for an investigation that needed
something, anything, to show that it
didn't waste all that time, hoopla, money
and political capital on a wild goose chase.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Oddly enough, it is difficult to charge anybody with a crime when the
major witness lies about his involvement in it as well as the involvement
of the actual perpetrators. That is what the "obstruction of justice"
charge was all about. Libby's conviction is quite significant in that it
sends a message to the liars in the Bush administration (which means most
of the Bush administration).
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
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07 Jun 2007 09:20:36 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
When the Bush regime did this, they committed _treason_. They handed
Plame's contacts over to America's enemies and they did it deliberately.
That's treason.
---
http://www.0-48.ru/ Download the Scientology documents from that
web site before the Scientology crooks can shut down the web site
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| User: "Bob" |
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08 Jun 2007 07:14:20 AM |
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"Fredric Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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"Bob" <no@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
When the Bush regime did this, they committed _treason_. They handed
Plame's contacts over to America's enemies and they did it deliberately.
That's treason.
And that's ridiculous. Remove your blinders and
you may be able to see more clearly.
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09 Jun 2007 01:29:46 PM |
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"Bob" <no@email.add> wrote:
"Fredric Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
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"Bob" <no@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
When the Bush regime did this, they committed _treason_. They handed
Plame's contacts over to America's enemies and they did it deliberately.
That's treason.
And that's ridiculous. Remove your blinders and
you may be able to see more clearly.
Your logical and highly evidenced debunking of the truth was rather
amusing. In fact in the past when covert operators were exposed to
or enemies, the traitors were tried and executed.
---
http://www.0-48.ru/ Download the Scientology documents from that
web site before the Scientology crooks can shut down the web site
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| User: "" |
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07 Jun 2007 08:36:25 AM |
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On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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07 Jun 2007 09:52:18 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
It was a major victory for anyone who respects the law and thinks that our
elected officials and their assistants should obey it. It's obvious that
you are not in that group of people.
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On Jun 7, 10:52 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
It was a major victory for anyone who respects the law and thinks that our
elected officials and their assistants should obey it. It's obvious that
you are not in that group of people.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about
me or what I believe, Lamont - as usual. Libby
shouldn't have lied to a federal investigator,
even on this fishing trip - he's been convicted
and is going to jail for it, that's as it should be.
I laugh at the antics of people like you who aren't
even interested in the fact that blowing her cover
was so critically important that it got a special
investigation started, but it turned out not to be
a crime worth prosecuting in the first place.
Your prosecutor went out hunting a dragon
and you're giving him a parade for bringing
home a mouse - even though you paid him for
a dragon hide.
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| Title: Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in jail, $250,000 fine |
07 Jun 2007 11:40:02 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181232312.446597.250010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 10:52 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181223385.650050.89530@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
It was a major victory for anyone who respects the law and thinks that
our
elected officials and their assistants should obey it. It's obvious that
you are not in that group of people.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about
me or what I believe, Lamont - as usual.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about me or what I believe,
Waltie - as usual.
Libby
shouldn't have lied to a federal investigator,
even on this fishing trip - he's been convicted
and is going to jail for it, that's as it should be.
I laugh at the antics of people like you who aren't
even interested in the fact that blowing her cover
was so critically important that it got a special
investigation started, but it turned out not to be
a crime worth prosecuting in the first place.
Your prosecutor went out hunting a dragon
and you're giving him a parade for bringing
home a mouse - even though you paid him for
a dragon hide.
He wasn't my prosecutor, Waltie, and he got paid to discover if a dragon
existed and, if so, to bring him in. He did his job. I laugh at the antics
of people like you who continue to say that he didn't.
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07 Jun 2007 03:57:18 PM |
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On Jun 7, 12:40 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181232312.446597.250010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 10:52 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181223385.650050.89530@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
It was a major victory for anyone who respects the law and thinks that
our
elected officials and their assistants should obey it. It's obvious that
you are not in that group of people.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about
me or what I believe, Lamont - as usual.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about me or what I believe,
Waltie - as usual.
I know, Lamie, that as soon as you start throwing
childish knicknames at people the discussion is
over and all that's left is you spewing garbage and
me laughing at your public tomfoolery.
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08 Jun 2007 10:40:05 AM |
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On Jun 7, 11:05 pm, wrote:
On Jun 7, 10:52 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1181223385.650050.89530@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 10:48 am, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
I think I agree with you here. Those who lie
under oath should be prosecuted, convicted
and sent to jail.
I agree as well - I'm just laughing at the idiots who
think this was a major victory instead of farcical
political theater.
It was a major victory for anyone who respects the law and thinks that our
elected officials and their assistants should obey it. It's obvious that
you are not in that group of people.
It's obvious that you don't know a thing about
me or what I believe, Lamont - as usual. Libby
shouldn't have lied to a federal investigator,
even on this fishing trip - he's been convicted
and is going to jail for it, that's as it should be.
I laugh at the antics of people like you who aren't
even interested in the fact that blowing her cover
was so critically important that it got a special
investigation started, but it turned out not to be
a crime worth prosecuting in the first place.
Your prosecutor went out hunting a dragon
and you're giving him a parade for bringing
home a mouse - even though you paid him for
a dragon hide.
--
Walt Smith
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Kind of sounds like bush and osama...but short memories are so
convenient.
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07 Jun 2007 08:35:12 AM |
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On Jun 6, 10:29 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181076054.180603.250910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 2:00 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181060339.850690.109730@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
And, oddly enough, no one was ever charged
with the criminal act Libby was supposedly
lying about, and the prosecutor in the case
isn't even looking for the person who
supposedly outed Valerie Plame. It almost
He knows the first person to out Valerie Plame, so there is no need for him
to look.
And this first person is now facing prosecution...no,
wait, he isn't. Funny how that worked, isn't it?
looks like Libby's conviction is the booby
prize for an investigation that needed
something, anything, to show that it
didn't waste all that time, hoopla, money
and political capital on a wild goose chase.
Oddly enough, it is difficult to charge anybody with a crime when the major
witness lies about his involvement in it as well as the involvement of the
actual perpetrators.
Libby wasn't the "major witness" - the "major witness"
was the guy who actually did the leak. Weird, isn't
it? But immaterial to you, since someone you hate
is facingat least the pretense of jail time.
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| Title: Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in jail, $250,000 fine |
07 Jun 2007 09:50:33 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181223312.856388.105830@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 6, 10:29 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181076054.180603.250910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 2:00 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Daniel" <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181060339.850690.109730@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 12:15 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mo1b63t02g5fhdcag8bh4pl46a13vcdcon@4ax.com...
Harry
Too little time, not enough money.
For what? The jury didn't even know what they were deliberating
on...
Sure they did. Perjury.
And, oddly enough, no one was ever charged
with the criminal act Libby was supposedly
lying about, and the prosecutor in the case
isn't even looking for the person who
supposedly outed Valerie Plame. It almost
He knows the first person to out Valerie Plame, so there is no need for
him
to look.
And this first person is now facing prosecution...no,
wait, he isn't. Funny how that worked, isn't it?
looks like Libby's conviction is the booby
prize for an investigation that needed
something, anything, to show that it
didn't waste all that time, hoopla, money
and political capital on a wild goose chase.
Oddly enough, it is difficult to charge anybody with a crime when the
major
witness lies about his involvement in it as well as the involvement of
the
actual perpetrators.
Libby wasn't the "major witness" - the "major witness"
was the guy who actually did the leak. Weird, isn't
it? But immaterial to you, since someone you hate
is facingat least the pretense of jail time.
After it was determined that there was no evidence that Armitage knew of the
covert status of Valerie Plame, Libby became the major witness. Damn those
pesky facts for getting in your way as you fret over someone you love being
locked up.
--
Walt Smith
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07 Jun 2007 10:56:24 AM |
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On Jun 7, 10:50 am, "Lamont Cranston" wrote:
After it was determined that there was no evidence that Armitage knew of the
covert status of Valerie Plame, Libby became the major witness. Damn those
pesky facts for getting in your way as you fret over someone you love being
locked up.
So now you've convinced yourself that I "love" Libby?
Sounds like you've let the howling emptiness you've
mistaken for your thought processes loose again,
Lamont.
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| Title: Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in jail, $250,000 fine |
07 Jun 2007 11:37:18 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181231784.361525.290580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 10:50 am, "Lamont Cranston" wrote:
After it was determined that there was no evidence that Armitage knew of
the
covert status of Valerie Plame, Libby became the major witness. Damn
those
pesky facts for getting in your way as you fret over someone you love
being
locked up.
So now you've convinced yourself that I "love" Libby.
Sounds like you've let the howling emptiness you've
mistaken for your thought processes loose again,
Lamont.
You've convinced yourself that I "hate" Libby. Sounds like you've let the
howling emptiness that you've mistaken for your brain activity loose again,
Waltie.
--
Walt Smith
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07 Jun 2007 04:00:24 PM |
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On Jun 7, 12:37 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181231784.361525.290580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 10:50 am, "Lamont Cranston" wrote:
After it was determined that there was no evidence that Armitage knew of
the
covert status of Valerie Plame, Libby became the major witness. Damn
those
pesky facts for getting in your way as you fret over someone you love
being
locked up.
So now you've convinced yourself that I "love" Libby.
Sounds like you've let the howling emptiness you've
mistaken for your thought processes loose again,
Lamont.
You've convinced yourself that I "hate" Libby.
I've convinced myself that you've very little clue
what goes on in your brain at all, but are quite
willing to present your emoting as a variety of
thinking. I won this game the moment you
released your inner child, Lamont - there's
nothing left but your spewing and my laughter.
--
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| Title: Re: Libby sentenced to 30 months in jail, $250,000 fine |
08 Jun 2007 09:25:23 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181250024.667287.12520@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 12:37 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
<firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181231784.361525.290580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 7, 10:50 am, "Lamont Cranston" wrote:
After it was determined that there was no evidence that Armitage knew
of
the
covert status of Valerie Plame, Libby became the major witness. Damn
those
pesky facts for getting in your way as you fret over someone you love
being
locked up.
So now you've convinced yourself that I "love" Libby.
Sounds like you've let the howling emptiness you've
mistaken for your thought processes loose again,
Lamont.
You've convinced yourself that I "hate" Libby.
I've convinced myself that you've very little clue
what goes on in your brain at all, but are quite
willing to present your emoting as a variety of
thinking. I won this game the moment you
released your inner child, Lamont - there's
nothing left but your spewing and my laughter.
You have proven once again that there is no such thing as unutterable
nonsense.
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Walt Smith
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08 Jun 2007 12:15:16 PM |
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On Jun 8, 10:25 am, "Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont.Crans...@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote:
You have proven once again that there is no such thing as unutterable
nonsense.
Dealing with you, Lamont, I've had to delve into
entirely new depths of nonsense. You're not
quite to the hilarity level of Tag, mind you,
but I have great hopes for you in the future.
--
Walt Smith
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