"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1187706168.204259.108400@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

Despite Liberal Hero John F Kennedy saying that the rights of man come
NOT from the state but the hand of God, liberals have been saying for
decades that the "separation of church and state" means that religious
groups are banned from saying anything political (no freedom of speech
for them) lest they lose their tax-free status. Yet, we have in 2004
"people of faith for Kerry" event, we had James Forbes of Riverside
Church in Manhattan calling for "full employment," a true livable
wage," progressive tax policy," and more all the while campaigning for
Kerry. Thus, liberals have abandoned the "separation" quote as law.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

Perhaps you could provide sources for your claim??

The fact that we liberals

are also people of faith does not mean that we
maintain the Constitutional separation of religion and government.

Or, are you hearing voices again??

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1187706168.204259.108400@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

Despite Liberal Hero John F Kennedy saying that the rights of man come
NOT from the state but the hand of God, liberals have been saying for
decades that the "separation of church and state" means that religious
groups are banned from saying anything political (no freedom of speech
for them) lest they lose their tax-free status. Yet, we have in 2004
"people of faith for Kerry" event, we had James Forbes of Riverside
Church in Manhattan calling for "full employment," a true livable
wage," progressive tax policy," and more all the while campaigning for
Kerry. Thus, liberals have abandoned the "separation" quote as law.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

Perhaps you could provide sources for your claim??

The fact that we liberals are also people of faith does not mean that we
maintain the Constitutional separation of religion and government.

Or, are you hearing voices again??

CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST

It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a
cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of
a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with
his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his
cave for sex.

One day there were two males standing in front of a cave when a
female walked by. The first raised his arm to club the female, but
the second male communicated to him that clubbing females over the
head to have sex was not nice. WHACK! WHACK! The first male stepped
over the unconscious second male and proceeded to rape the female.
On that day the first liberal paid the price for expressing a new
idea.

Things didn't change much for thousands of years until the advent
of projectile weapons. This was first symbolized by the David and
Goliath story in the Bible, where the big strong brute was laid
flat by the small but smarter boy. Once brute strength was no
longer the controlling factor in social interaction, liberal ideas
slowly gained a foothold in human culture, and civilization began.

Throughout human history, the price for advocating tolerance and
progressive change has been paid in threats, beatings,
excommunication, incarceration, torture, murder, assassination, and
execution. Countless liberals have paid the ultimate price for
their humanity. Though Jesus Christ is the most famous, names in
recent history that come to mind are Gandhi, Martin Luther King
Jr., John Lennon, and Robert Kennedy.

Today there are many conservatives - individuals, groups, and
nations - who use threats and violence to silence the voices of
reason, tolerance, and progress. Here in America it is seen in
racists and homophobes beating blacks and gays, sometimes to death,
not for money or out of anger generated by interactive cause, but
because of religious or racial intolerance and secular bigotry.

Alan Berg on talk radio was a strong voice against a conservative
organization called the Aryan Nation. For thus exercising his
freedom of speech, he was shot dead while walking his dog in front
of his house.

David Rice is a man on death row in Washington State who has no
remorse whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and
carving out their living hearts only because he heard they were
"liberals." He got their names from a Democratic Party membership
list.

Right-wingers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 men,
women, and children as an act of protest. What liberals have ever
committed such an abominable atrocity?

The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11
terrorist attacks in which thousands of innocent civilians were
murdered. The alleged perpetrators, Osama Bin Laden and the al
Qaeda-Taliban terrorists, epitomize the right-wing religious
fundamentalist mentality.

Some believe that the 9/11 attacks were deliberately allowed to happen,
exacerbated, or even perpetrated by radical right-wing elements within
our own government to further their fascistic agenda. Two buildings
were hit by planes, but THREE collapsed. The evidence that the three
collapsed buildings were brought down with demolition explosives put in
place BEFORE the attacks is very strong.

Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or
that they are not done primarily by conservatives is utter
nonsense. Look back:

Who nailed who to a cross?

Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?

Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?

Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their
sovereignty over their own bodies in the freedom to choose
abortion?

Who fought against child labor statutes?

Who fought against the concept of free public education?

Who fought against the right of women to vote?

Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?

Who fought against workers organizing?

Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars
"unsafe at any speed?"

Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11
terrorist attacks?

Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40
million more?

Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?

Who fought against voting rights, civil rights, social security,
health care for the elderly, and minimum wages?

Who fights against environmental protection statutes?

Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle
minorities?

Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering,
terminally ill patients soon to die anyway?

Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our
other Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections?

Who are the moralizing hypocrites forcing their puritanical
inhibitions and prohibitions on ALL Americans via legislation and
draconian, police-state enforcement practices?

Who always puts personal gain and corporate wealth and power above
the common good?

CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS?

The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE
OF THE CONSERVATIVE BEAST!

Conservatives have distorted and demonized the word "liberal,"
whose true political meaning is favoring progressive change,
humanistic values, and opposition to authoritarianism. They
identify it with governmental waste and tolerance of criminality,
when in fact they themselves are guilty of abuses such as corporate
welfare bail-outs and tax evasion, fraud against investors, and
other white-collar crime. Conservatives fear and oppose all change
and progress beyond "what's in it for me?"

At the core of conservatism is the Machiavellian bully - the
despotic practitioner of "might makes right," craving wealth and
power, and willing to use any and all means to get them.
Conservatism is the philosophy of the caveman wearing a business
suit.

AND THE CAVEMENS' CLUBS CAN NOW DESTROY OUR EARTH!

Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:

Despite Liberal Hero John F Kennedy saying that the rights of man come
NOT from the state but the hand of God, liberals have been saying for
decades that the "separation of church and state" means that religious
groups are banned from saying anything political (no freedom of speech
for them) lest they lose their tax-free status.

Actually, "liberals" don't say that. The United States Code says
something that you are misrepresenting to mean that. Religious groups
are no different from any other 501(c)(3) non-profit group (except
that the government is less inclined to challenge a group that claims
to be such because they are a religious group, since that would entail
the government deciding what a religious group is).

Such non-profit groups cannot endorse or campaign for specific
candidates or parties because their tax-exempt status, and their being
religious has nothing to do with this restriction.

Yet, we have in 2004 "people of faith for Kerry" event,

Identify the 501(c)(3) non profit group.

we had James Forbes of Riverside Church in Manhattan calling for "full employment," a true livable
wage," progressive tax policy,"

All perfectly legitimate.