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"hannicullen" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:24:02 PM |
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Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
Transcript from his show where he talks about the Republicans losing
control of congress:
'The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm going to tell you as
plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water
for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now,
you might say, "Well, why have you been doing it?" Because the stakes
are high.'
'...Now I'm liberated from having to constantly come in here every day
and try to buck up a bunch of people who don't deserve it, to try to
carry the water and make excuses for people who don't deserve it. I did
not want to sit here and participate, willingly, in the victory of the
libs, in the victory of the Democrat Party by sabotaging my own. But
now with what has happened yesterday and today, it is an entirely
liberating thing.'
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Colbert-LimbaughWater.wmv
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| User: "ray" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
18 Nov 2006 09:36:36 PM |
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In article <1163906642.658064.256160@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"hannicullen" <hannicullen@gmail.com> wrote:
Transcript from his show where he talks about the Republicans losing
control of congress:
'The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm going to tell you as
plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water
for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now,
you might say, "Well, why have you been doing it?" Because the stakes
are high.'
'...Now I'm liberated from having to constantly come in here every day
and try to buck up a bunch of people who don't deserve it, to try to
carry the water and make excuses for people who don't deserve it. I did
not want to sit here and participate, willingly, in the victory of the
libs, in the victory of the Democrat Party by sabotaging my own. But
now with what has happened yesterday and today, it is an entirely
liberating thing.'
Yes, he did indeed say that. But it's not like this was a total turn
around. For years, he has been harping (and even making fun of) people
like McCain, Spector, Voinovich and DeWine. In the past few years, he
has even made harsh criticisms of George Bush. Like many Republicans,
he too is frustrated with the development of the Republican party and
how they drifted off course.
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--Conservatives deal with facts, liberals deal with emotion--
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| User: "hannicullen" |
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| Title: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 07:31:40 AM |
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It's a rare day when you and I agree, but today is one of them.
Now that you mention it, I do remember Rush criticizing the Republicans
quite often during the late 90's.
Of course, he spent most of his time repeating lies from American
Spectator magazine about Clinton The Murderer, Hillary the Lesbian, the
David Foster Conspiracy, the Ron Brown Conspiracy, etc., etc.. But
yes, he did indeed criticize the Republicans.
ray wrote:
In article <1163906642.658064.256160@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"hannicullen" <hannicullen@gmail.com> wrote:
Transcript from his show where he talks about the Republicans losing
control of congress:
'The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm going to tell you as
plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water
for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now,
you might say, "Well, why have you been doing it?" Because the stakes
are high.'
'...Now I'm liberated from having to constantly come in here every day
and try to buck up a bunch of people who don't deserve it, to try to
carry the water and make excuses for people who don't deserve it. I did
not want to sit here and participate, willingly, in the victory of the
libs, in the victory of the Democrat Party by sabotaging my own. But
now with what has happened yesterday and today, it is an entirely
liberating thing.'
Yes, he did indeed say that. But it's not like this was a total turn
around. For years, he has been harping (and even making fun of) people
like McCain, Spector, Voinovich and DeWine. In the past few years, he
has even made harsh criticisms of George Bush. Like many Republicans,
he too is frustrated with the development of the Republican party and
how they drifted off course.
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--Conservatives deal with facts, liberals deal with emotion--
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| User: "ray" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 07:54:28 AM |
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In article <1163943099.925499.262110@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"hannicullen" <hannicullen@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a rare day when you and I agree, but today is one of them.
Now that you mention it, I do remember Rush criticizing the Republicans
quite often during the late 90's.
Of course, he spent most of his time repeating lies from American
Spectator magazine about Clinton The Murderer, Hillary the Lesbian, the
David Foster Conspiracy, the Ron Brown Conspiracy, etc., etc.. But
yes, he did indeed criticize the Republicans.
Limbaugh has a massive research staff that digs up much of his material
for the show. This is what is enjoyable about it. He provides these
stories and gives you his resources right over the air waves. If you
miss something, he usually has the link on his web site. He simply
brings up what's out there and lets you decide. But he does the very
same with Republicans. Of course, when he reads a conspiracy type story
it's usually accompanied by a laugh at the end.
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--Conservatives deal with facts, liberals deal with emotion--
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| User: "zzpat" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican waterboy |
19 Nov 2006 11:58:27 AM |
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ray wrote:
Limbaugh has a massive research staff that digs up much of his material
for the show. This is what is enjoyable about it. He provides these
stories and gives you his resources right over the air waves. If you
miss something, he usually has the link on his web site. He simply
brings up what's out there and lets you decide. But he does the very
same with Republicans. Of course, when he reads a conspiracy type story
it's usually accompanied by a laugh at the end.
Limbaugh employs idiocy and fallacy. He'll bring together two statements
that may be 100% correct and then create a conclusion that's 100% false.
A cat has four legs and a tail.
A dog has four legs and a tail.
Therefore a dog is a cat.
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Pat
Impeach Bush
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/
Articles of Impeachment
Center for Constitutional Rights
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/april_2006/articles_of_impeachment.html
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| User: "zzpat" |
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19 Nov 2006 11:55:32 AM |
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ray wrote:
Like many Republicans,
he too is frustrated with the development of the Republican party and
how they drifted off course.
Off course? The GOP did what the GOP has always done. It spends money
we don't have, takes us into wars we can't win and it cut taxes while
creating massive deficits and debt. Nothing has changed.
GOP voters still voted for big spending, more government republicans.
Independents walked away from them, not the party faithful.
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Pat
Impeach Bush
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/
Articles of Impeachment
Center for Constitutional Rights
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/april_2006/articles_of_impeachment.html
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| User: "ray" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 01:57:23 PM |
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In article <ejq5mc09p7@enews4.newsguy.com>, zzpat <zzpatrick@gmail.com>
wrote:
ray wrote:
Like many Republicans,
he too is frustrated with the development of the Republican party and
how they drifted off course.
Off course? The GOP did what the GOP has always done. It spends money
we don't have, takes us into wars we can't win and it cut taxes while
creating massive deficits and debt. Nothing has changed.
GOP voters still voted for big spending, more government republicans.
Independents walked away from them, not the party faithful.
What it boiled down to was the bad or the worse. Of course most
Republicans voted Republican against a Democrat.
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--Conservatives deal with facts, liberals deal with emotion--
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 07:04:13 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:57:23 -0500, ray <xxxrayted@aol.com> wrote:
GOP voters still voted for big spending, more government republicans.
Independents walked away from them, not the party faithful.
What it boiled down to was the bad or the worse. Of course most
Republicans voted Republican against a Democrat.
Most Dems voted Dem against the GOP. Independents voted over two to
one against the GOP. And of course some Republicans stayed home in
disgust. Probably the most telling point is the relatively high
turnouts for a mid term election, particularly among non partisan
voters who came out to vote Dem and third party.
Swill
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But the one who does not know and does things deserving
punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone
who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from
the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will
be asked. -- Luke 12:48
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| User: "ray" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 08:14:53 PM |
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In article <ukv1m2tn5daajtjncpdba58hcg9kopfvdr@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:57:23 -0500, ray <xxxrayted@aol.com> wrote:
GOP voters still voted for big spending, more government republicans.
Independents walked away from them, not the party faithful.
What it boiled down to was the bad or the worse. Of course most
Republicans voted Republican against a Democrat.
Most Dems voted Dem against the GOP. Independents voted over two to
one against the GOP. And of course some Republicans stayed home in
disgust. Probably the most telling point is the relatively high
turnouts for a mid term election, particularly among non partisan
voters who came out to vote Dem and third party.
You are so correct, no matter how much dislike there is for a Democrat
candidate, most Democrats (like Republicans) vote their party.
But the more I reflect on this election, the more I understand why
politicians play politics and get nothing done. When you get things
done, you get voted out. Grant it that the Republicans made some grave
errors, but all in all, the economy is doing good, and so far, we've
been able to avoid another terrorist attack. The interest rates are
still reasonable which was responsible for record home ownerships in
this country which also brings down apartment rental prices, and the
stock market is moving along better than anybody could have imagined.
And my home has never been so peaceful since the Do Not Call list. But
as the saying goes, nobody remembers when I'm right and nobody forgets
when I'm wrong.
But with all this, the country decided they wanted change. Because the
Democrats ran on........err....well, they ran on nothing. All they
really promoted is how rotten the Republicans are. This is why I have
always said that it's my belief and experience that swing voters,
centrists and Independents are less knowledgeable than party line
voters.
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--Conservatives deal with facts, liberals deal with emotion--
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
20 Nov 2006 04:39:24 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:14:53 -0500, ray <xxxrayted@aol.com> wrote:
But the more I reflect on this election, the more I understand why
politicians play politics and get nothing done. When you get things
done, you get voted out. Grant it that the Republicans made some grave
errors, but all in all, the economy is doing good, and so far, we've
been able to avoid another terrorist attack. The interest rates are
still reasonable which was responsible for record home ownerships in
this country which also brings down apartment rental prices, and the
stock market is moving along better than anybody could have imagined.
And my home has never been so peaceful since the Do Not Call list. But
as the saying goes, nobody remembers when I'm right and nobody forgets
when I'm wrong.
Economically things have gone pretty well and telemarketers don't
bother me much. but the foreign policy situation has become such a
disaster that it has overridden considerations of personal prosperity
an convenience. The other part of that equation is the growing
realization that the current prosperity is bogus to the degree that
it's supported by borrowed money rather than real growth. There are
growing concerns about what will happen when ARMs start coming due and
foreclosures start to happen. And what will happen to consumer
spending when home equity has eaten up the value in consumer's homes?
Especially if those home values drop.
There have been some serious domestic policy errors too. The
prescription drug plan is a nightmare and so is the debt. I don't
care to see medicare or social security damaged by another entitlement
that makes the problem it was presumably designed to solve even worse.
But with all this, the country decided they wanted change. Because the
Democrats ran on........err....well, they ran on nothing. All they
really promoted is how rotten the Republicans are. This is why I have
always said that it's my belief and experience that swing voters,
centrists and Independents are less knowledgeable than party line
voters.
I just don't understand that. Party line voters are exactly the kind
of voters who ignore information, they simply vote for the party. The
middle is capable of changing their mind largely because they do pay
attention to a broader spectrum of information. Partisans may be
better informed of their side's views but that's hardly being
informed. That's simply being indoctrinated.
Swill
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But the one who does not know and does things deserving
punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone
who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from
the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will
be asked. -- Luke 12:48
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| User: "ray" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
20 Nov 2006 03:44:15 PM |
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In article <lq03m2lfd7e8kvcqcu1p0ltkfsl60r5euu@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:14:53 -0500, ray <xxxrayted@aol.com> wrote:
But the more I reflect on this election, the more I understand why
politicians play politics and get nothing done. When you get things
done, you get voted out. Grant it that the Republicans made some grave
errors, but all in all, the economy is doing good, and so far, we've
been able to avoid another terrorist attack. The interest rates are
still reasonable which was responsible for record home ownerships in
this country which also brings down apartment rental prices, and the
stock market is moving along better than anybody could have imagined.
And my home has never been so peaceful since the Do Not Call list. But
as the saying goes, nobody remembers when I'm right and nobody forgets
when I'm wrong.
Economically things have gone pretty well and telemarketers don't
bother me much. but the foreign policy situation has become such a
disaster that it has overridden considerations of personal prosperity
an convenience. The other part of that equation is the growing
realization that the current prosperity is bogus to the degree that
it's supported by borrowed money rather than real growth. There are
growing concerns about what will happen when ARMs start coming due and
foreclosures start to happen. And what will happen to consumer
spending when home equity has eaten up the value in consumer's homes?
Especially if those home values drop.
You can get out of an arm in a years time. I know, I did it myself.
And it's unlikely that property values will drop anytime soon.
There have been some serious domestic policy errors too. The
prescription drug plan is a nightmare and so is the debt. I don't
care to see medicare or social security damaged by another entitlement
that makes the problem it was presumably designed to solve even worse.
Agreed, and I don't think you will find many a Conservative who agreed
with this measure. As GW promised, this was yet another measure to
"reach across" and not be so consumed with Conservative values.
But with all this, the country decided they wanted change. Because the
Democrats ran on........err....well, they ran on nothing. All they
really promoted is how rotten the Republicans are. This is why I have
always said that it's my belief and experience that swing voters,
centrists and Independents are less knowledgeable than party line
voters.
I just don't understand that. Party line voters are exactly the kind
of voters who ignore information, they simply vote for the party. The
middle is capable of changing their mind largely because they do pay
attention to a broader spectrum of information. Partisans may be
better informed of their side's views but that's hardly being
informed. That's simply being indoctrinated.
Well, this is where you and I always disagree.
--
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| User: "Noparty Patriot" |
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20 Nov 2006 10:31:58 AM |
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hannicullen wrote:
Transcript from his show where he talks about the Republicans losing
control of congress:
'The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm going to tell you as
plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water
for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now,
you might say, "Well, why have you been doing it?" Because the stakes
are high.'
Now the stakes (for conservative representation in both houses of
congress and the office of the presidency) are even higher! Who else is he
going to carry water for but the republican party? himself? He can't run
for office. I doubt libertarians or independents are seeking his support.
What else can he do but continue to carry water?
If he starts attacking individual Republicans as he now attacks
Democrats, he will hurt the Republican party by driving off the moderates.
That will hurt Republicans at the polls. He forgets that he is among the
Republicans who are victims of their own success. He, and they, got the
president they wanted, fo not the *kind* of president they wanted, and now
they wish they hadn't.
It's the old saying come true: "Be careful what you wish for, you may
get it."
Rush has pretty much cast himself in stone. What else can he do, now,
to aid the Republican party? The answer IMO is, not much. Unless he is
willing to start using a softer tone. But he can further *hurt* the
Republican party if he's not careful. It will be interesting to see how he
finds his way out of the corner that he's painted himself into, and that
the Republican party (thanks to president Bush) has painted itself into.
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| User: "Christopher Helms" |
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| Title: Re: Limbaugh admits that he is tired of being a Republican water boy |
19 Nov 2006 03:01:44 PM |
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hannicullen wrote:
Transcript from his show where he talks about the Republicans losing
control of congress:
'...Now I'm liberated from having to constantly come in here every day
and try to buck up a bunch of people who don't deserve it, to try to
carry the water and make excuses for people who don't deserve it. I did
not want to sit here and participate, willingly, in the victory of the
libs, in the victory of the Democrat Party by sabotaging my own. But
now with what has happened yesterday and today, it is an entirely
liberating thing.'
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Colbert-LimbaughWater.wmv
I don't understand what he's liberated himself from or where he thinks
he's going to go from here. He's certainly not going to be moving
anywhere to the left and it's not possible to move more to the right.
He can't start getting critical of the Republicans or conservatives
without splitting off some of them and creating problems for his own
side of the aisle, which cannot afford any more problems right now. He
can't advocate even meaner, more intrusive and more uncontrollable
government without sounding like a reactionary fringe wacko and I can't
imagine him going the treehugger route. Rush has pretty much checkmated
himself. He can't credibly seperate himself from the farthest reaches
of the far right and he can't start constantly disagreeing with them,
either. Sure, he can ***** about details of right wing policies and he
can demand torture for more people who have not been charged with or
convicted of anything, but he can't really liberate himself from the
John Birch Society wing of the Republican Party which he has apparently
been chained to for his entire adult life. So he will remain a
Republican Water Boy.
Maybe now he will refer to himself as an "Independent Original Intent
Relief Specialist Courier From The Aqua Division," but at the end of
the day, he'll still be doing the same "Waterboy" thing for the same
people.
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